This Episode · No. 37

RIFF068 - Hole - Live Through This

27 October 2025 ·80 min ·Season 2025

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When Raw Vocals Beat Polished Perfection Every Single Time

Hosts: Neil & Chris
Duration: ~80 minutes
Release: 27 October 2025

Episode Description

Some albums capture lightning in a bottle because they refuse to be tamed. Hole's Live Through This sits right in the Goldilocks zone between the savage spikiness of Pretty on the Inside and the polished hooks of Celebrity Skin, finding that perfect balance where punk authenticity meets earworm melodies. Released just days after Kurt Cobain's death in April 1994, this record stands as Courtney Love's definitive statement, a point-in-time snapshot that could never be recreated.

Neil and Chris dive into why this album feels even better now than it did in the 90s. There's something about the raw, pushed-to-the-limit production that modern compressed perfection can't touch. When Geffen requested the vocals be smoothed out, the band doubled down and made them even more savage. That decision defines everything special about this record.

From the $40,000 budget and 23-day recording session at Triclops Sound Studios to Kristen Pfaff's classically-trained bass lines that brought structural maturity to Courtney's explosive vision, this episode unpacks how a band on the edge created something unrepeatable. Chris shares his personal connection playing these songs acoustically, while both hosts explore why albums like this possess a soul that perfectly engineered modern records often lack.

What You'll Hear:

The Goldilocks evolution across three albums, why Live Through This hits the sweet spot between raw and radio-ready
Production philosophy: multiple vocal takes choosing performance over technical perfection, Rick Rubin style
Kristen Pfaff's contribution as the classically-trained bassist bringing song structure maturity (University of Minnesota scholarship in her name)
The Kurt Cobain backing vocals mystery on "Asking For It" and "Softer Softest," barely audible ghosting in the mix
Recording techniques that captured point-in-time magic impossible to reproduce a year later, even with the same band
Why modern production's reproducibility kills the soul that made 90s records feel genuinely dangerous

Featured Tracks & Analysis:

"Violet," "Doll Parts," "Miss World," and "Asking For It" showcase Courtney Love's gift for earworms wrapped in distortion. The vocals sit forward and pushed too hard, guitars cranked past comfortable, drums dry but textured. It's the opposite of modern loudness wars compression, creating space and dynamics that let the raw energy breathe. Chris highlights how difficult "Doll Parts" is to replicate acoustically because the studio version's feel is so specific to that moment.

The final track presents the album's most punk rock moment: a DAT tape labeling mix-up means "Olympia" is forever listed as "Rockstar" with no official reissue to correct it. The band shrugged and kept touring. That back cover features a childhood photo of Courtney and track names applied with a dymo labeler, the perfect aesthetic choice that screams authenticity over corporate polish.

Tangential Gold:

ChatGPT reveals Courtney Love was briefly Faith No More's singer in 1984, pre-dating everything, verifiable on YouTube
The definitive pronunciation debate: is it "do-little" or "doo-little" for the Pixies album they're covering next week?
Extended detour into HMV vinyl pricing crisis, Bush's Sixteen Stone selling for £300, the hosts' £40 limit philosophy
Luke Skywalker was originally Luke Starkiller in early Star Wars drafts, hence Starkiller Base in The Force Awakens
Blood donation tangent reveals both hosts give blood (Neil has special neonatal blood), local donation center's broken tea urn means juice only

Why This Matters:

Live Through This represents the last era when albums could capture genuine unrepeatable moments. Put this band back in the studio a year later and it wouldn't sound the same, the lineup would be different, the urgency gone. Modern production's perfection and reproducibility creates technical excellence but often loses the soul. When you can replicate 99.9% of an album with the same band years later, something essential is missing.

This album also showcases why imperfections are the art. Rick Beato's analysis of "One Arm Scissor" proves nothing's in tune separately but it works together. Energy beats perfection. Courtney Love's guitar playing gets dismissed as just doing chords, but she has an idiomatic style people find genuinely inspiring, like Kurt Cobain or Dave Grohl's self-taught approach. That authenticity, those voice breaks Geffen wanted smoothed out, those pushed-too-hard vocals, that's what makes Live Through This feel more vital now than overproduced modern records ever will.

Perfect for: Anyone who believes raw performance trumps technical perfection, fans of the riot grrrl movement who want deeper context on Hole's Goldilocks album, musicians interested in production philosophy debates about analog feel versus digital reproducibility, listeners rediscovering 90s albums that sound better now because modern compression has gone too far, and anyone who needs convincing that Courtney Love deserves proper recognition beyond Kurt Cobain's shadow.

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Speaker0:00 what day is it uh monday monday it's monday we're back we're back and we've not been come out might even come out on monday if you do it quick enough i've not done anything for weeks it's been mad isn't it yeah everyone went away there was there was going away and going on yeah you'd be going going away with their family went away we went we went to scotland yeah and then everybody was sick yeah and then i wasn't sick no and then i was sick yeah and then it's just been and then you've been busy yeah and now we're here yeah we've got fruit pastels we've got diet coke we're ruthology you're chris your deal and we're doing whole yeah live through this i got the wrong album this week i thought we were doing the pixies you messaged today i was like the blog you messaged me the url to the blog which is brilliant so you've done all that work on the blog but it was the pixies and i went mate i think i've listened to the wrong album all week i know then we had to go back and listen to the show again where we realized that it was going to be whole whole i like what album it is see i didn't know this album very well no i knew the one after which had um celebrity skin on and stuff oh that was a celebrity skin uh no so well oh do you know what i need to go and look i don't know what the album after this is called i'm going to go and look at it now yeah whole wiki it was on that celebrity skin on anyway because it goes and it was that was such a banger of a song it was called celebrity skin released on september 8th 1998 the bit i i think it's interesting about this album they remind me a lot of the goo goo dolls really and they because you know the early goo goo dolls records they're quite um they're quite aggressive quite rocky it's not there's no like some of those uh early albums they're not um they're not iris it's not poppy yes the pop hooks are kind of missing and then as they go through from record to record to record you like get more pop yeah yeah in it as like each record you get like another 10 percent yeah books and then and then before you know it you've got iris right yeah and so like for me those there's like a point of about three albums for the goo goo dolls where they're like bang on perfect yes i mean yeah yeah not too sugary sweet it's not too poppy but it's just the right amount right and i think whole did that here so like pretty on the inside was the first record yeah it was pretty savage yeah yeah yeah it was pretty really spiky yeah dry record punk rocky uh you know vicious sounding record um this live through this it's got pop hooks in it yes i know people are probably screaming and hissing at it's not pop but they do the goal is not to be on radio the goal is to make a really good record raw power was never on the radio flipper's first record was never on the radio the minute minute second record was never on the radio so hit singles is obviously a band like us is not on our agenda believe it now i've got olympia in my head it's not called olympia on the record it's called rockstar yeah but i've got i've got that just because we've played a little bit yeah yeah yeah it's locked it's locked in that that what courtney love was just amazing at is earworms it's called that yeah yeah it's got like taylor swift could do that yeah she would be you know she'd sing about i don't know whatever southern rock or whatever like shoes or whatever but the point is that there's like this this kind of evolution and and by the time they got to celebrity skin like more pop hooks yeah do you know i mean so like like no proper pretty on the inside really little there's some there's some melody in there yeah but it's not a it's the the earworms are missing a little bit they're there but they're not given enough space they're kind of like she kills them immediately they kind of get a little bit of scope yeah live through this it's got those pop hooks in there but it's still pretty savage and then you've got celebrity skin which got a little bit more of the pop hooks it's a little bit more polished yeah a little bit a little bit easier to to live with and digest i think a bit more immediate yeah yeah i like that i like that you know you got that because it's like you might you might prefer pretty on the inside or you might prefer celebrity skin yeah but at least you get the choice but this one is the goldilocks album i think this is the best i i i i mean the thing that happens with these is it's like the goo goo dolls yeah um yeah so so like uh like dizzy up the girl that's the big one everyone's kind of got that record and that's the the massive one but it's the ones before that that are dead good yeah i think yeah um and it's the same with this one it's kind of like celebrity skin is the one that all the girls had right yeah yeah because this was a proper like riot girl thing right if you if you were a bit old alt and you're a bit girly yeah you know you'd have like you know like in the 2000s you'd have you'd have had like poster of hayley williams yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah um if you're a bit older than that this you'd have had you'd have had courtney love because she was that she was proper women are the feature of rock and roll and that's it get some guitars if this is the 90s empower yourself there weren't i'm trying to think of girl like girl band i'm trying to think of girls that were like as like big as she was i was gonna say because you had you had a l7 you had the breeders and you had a few you had a few you did they weren't but they weren't this they weren't this kind of like there's the thing you said about the label where the label um they sent the tractor and then the label said something about i didn't know this about the vocals so dgc so dgc is david geffen i want to say company right okay yeah but it was a sub brand of geffen yeah so geffen with the massive record label they had well they had kurt with them didn't they with nirvana that was geffen wasn't it oh yeah i'd have to look yeah no i'm sure it was i'm sure i'm sure i think i think in utero was dgc was it right and then and then never mind was i have to go back and look yeah but um but they had aerosmith and they had yeah yeah and roses and they had yeah that's a to to like geffen with a you know the big daddy yeah grown-up stuff and then they had dgc which is kind of was like kind of the alt yes scene it was this kind of underground scene and they had um they had hole um now the bit i think is interesting is as it was being recorded they recorded this record live through this when they did the first pressing geffen listened to it and said that their vocals were too raw and that they needed to polish them out a little bit so they made them even worse even like you pushed them even harder yeah you know yeah i like that a lot i mean that's cordy love it's punk rock though isn't it it's kind of just don't tell us what to do no i mean no if you're so good at it geffen you do it yeah that is like you know leave us to do i think i think record labels back then i don't know a bit of arrogance aren't they the kind of do you know what i mean yeah i mean the genuinely they knew what sold yeah but like everything would sound like like that this by 1994 everything would have sounded like never mind didn't it yeah i mean that's the point of being a musician and artist is you push envelopes you yeah you know you've got you've got something that you want to say not when you've got somebody else going please don't say like that yeah you're like i'm going to say more like that then yeah yeah tell me what to do especially courtney love she's just so let me hear interviews i mean she was hard work do you know there's like a tour manager like somewhere that was like aged about 10 years in like like six weeks of putting up with her on tour like just do you know i mean just imagine that she was like basically everything in this life you have to do yourself there is no hollywood dream i don't need a limo to show off i don't need a credit card i don't need to be snorting coke off some silicone breast to show off oh my god bless her i mean she's lovely i love her to pieces yeah i'm i love to pieces from a long way away i love what she did i love i think i love what she represented yes yeah but you oh my god yeah yeah you only want 10 minutes of that and then see i can i can imagine her in the studio being all right yeah i don't think she knew much about recording i don't think she knew much about that so i i could imagine her would she would write she would turn up a lot of people don't realize how important the recording process is we're not like knowledgeable i can't go and go pan that one to the left you know bring that up put a little compressor there and give me a logs player gee the producers for this it sound i think it sounds pretty raw it sounds like it would have sounded in the room it's you know yes definitely less so this one i think pretty on the inside was more um as it was do you know i mean yeah that felt like someone's just do you know i mean i could imagine just someone walking into the into the rehearsal space dumping a single mic in the middle yeah go on with it do you know what i mean yeah yeah dump it to tape there you go done done it yeah i'll be in the pub um this feels a little bit you know i mean not that clearly didn't happen with first record right but but that it's got that feel it's got that it's got that um uh like real genuine feel to it this this is a little bit more produced yeah not much it's still very and the thing about the songs is that they're i mean they're very young aren't they the songs the songs sound very young yeah yeah and there's that sense of um i've got chewing gum all over like i said what have you you've just fished something out of your pocket what have you fished out of your pocket because what i did with the fruit pastels that looks like a kit kat no it was a fruit it's the top of the fruit pastels top of the fruit pastels so i could eat the fruit pastels i put my chewing gum oh in the top in the top and then folded it up and sticky and then it's and then it's unfolded itself in my pocket you're just like a big five-year-old yes i find this shit i find in barney's pocket so it's like you're gonna put it what's that i like oh it's my it's a stone i really like it why is it in the washing machine oh i kept it in my pocket yeah for god's sake yeah yeah i needed cleaning well yeah it's like honestly in this like the stuff he he oh you know it's a long story but he brings all kinds of weird stuff back and then i find it in the washing find it in the washing machine always what's that floating in the way and he pulls out like like screwed up faces like staring at the washing machine we'll have to wait till it comes out anyway yeah have we got that over yeah what were you doing then we were talking about production of this record and oh yeah no this because the songs are structured like that but they're very like there's a riff and then he and then he goes into this bit and then he goes into this bit and then he goes into this bit and you can sort of you can you can hear the the songwriting is very riff based and it's very sequential yeah it's like it's like that bit then that bit then that bit then that bit and then he might do that bit again does that make sense at all it does yeah but i think um it's interesting some of the influences here as well and some of the um uh some of the musicians involved um i don't know that it like like the band didn't stay together that they're a bit like on the edge like a hand grenade waiting to go off all the time aren't they um well it's like a new lineup every every record isn't that yeah yeah yeah yeah exactly exactly and a lot of that structure i think was down to kristen faff yes it was classically trained so she was the uh bassist yeah um but she was like no one else could play their instruments that's really rude but do you know i mean they were self-taught just turned up and and kind of practiced and stuff uh she was classically trained and i i i don't know i just kind of have the feeling here that her influence of of this yeah i mean there's tons of tales about the baseline the original like demo bass lines that were laid down in the studio stayed all the way through to the end of the track really right that good yeah yeah absolutely phenomenal um you know and eventually i mean she died at 27 so she died three months or so after kirk cobain's suicide um you know and her legacy same age uh oh i don't know 27 club uh 27 club yeah she doesn't get talked about enough i don't think no but she was epic she the university university of minnesota having uh a scholarship in in her name as well wow which i think is really cool yeah yeah yeah for sure but yeah i don't think she gets the credit she deserves probably i think you know i think a lot of a lot is courtney love isn't it yeah yeah yeah exactly yeah but i think a lot of the songs you know you talked about the like the maturity song structure here yeah yeah i think a lot of that came from uh from her like before it's quite explosive do you know i mean it's the songs just feel like a proper punk rock song it's just kind of like turn up i'm really angry about like fruit pastels rage about fruit pastel and that's his song and it's like we've done that once yeah but that's probably the way it's going to be forever yeah yeah you know no thought to structure no thought to it's just it like there's like a lot of punk stuff just kind of just the it just kind of rips out right and it's kind of you know comes from a uh inside i guess this doesn't well that's not true this does but it kind of feels like somebody's gone maybe we could put a chorus there yeah and actually maybe we could see that bit that bit we did there maybe we could put that yeah a bit here as well yeah yeah that somebody's thinking about the song structure as well so um yeah it definitely like for me there's a there's a there's a real magic to this this one where um you've got like the that punk the authenticity yes yeah but there's a little bit i think that's why it did really well yeah i mean it's because it's it was genuine it felt genuine it but but actually it's also you know without being over the top without being polished without losing the the the kind of rage yes inside it um you know and like the the tone like the vocals and the vocals are kind of forward and and probably a little pushed a little bit too hard and the guitars are like pushed a little bit too hard and the the drum kit is it's quite it's it's i i don't know how to do it so it's kind of a dry but there's like a texture to it yeah yeah yeah um do you mean it's not like a like a lot of punk rock records it's kind of like it's quite a pleasant sounding drum kit yeah um but it's not you know this hasn't been like pulled through loads of compressors and stuff no no exactly yeah yeah it's it's got this kind of real um a genuine feel to it um so yeah i i yeah there is a magic here for sure and i think like like you said some of it is that oh i say some of it a big chunk of it is the structure of the songs yeah yeah and because that's the for me that's the big shift you know it's slightly more polished but like 10 more yeah but the songs themselves like are way better there was a rumor swirling around at the time that um kirk cobain wrote the album yeah yeah wrote the whole album um and the band and courtney were like uh you know they were like horrified and kept trying to put it put it down yeah yeah um i don't think it helped that he sang on some of the songs as well you know there were there was um there's a couple of the tracks on here um that um yeah that he sang on i think um he ended up singing and asking for it and softer softest um and you kind of like uh it's just kind of ghosting the melody in the back some of the the tracks yeah i've listed a few times i haven't noticed i can't hear it now it's fascinating it's one of those things like sometimes you hear stuff and you think oh and you pick up on it really quickly it's only what i've read about and it's it's in lots of different places yes production notes and stuff so i kind of believe it but um yeah it's not noticeable is it it's not like you because he's he's not got the kind of voice that you don't recognize does it yeah yeah exactly distinctive but i think kind of light harmonies in the background yeah you know that whether you can yeah so um yeah weird weird every time when i sell myself to you i feel a little bit cheaper than i need to i will tear the petals off of you rose red i will make you tell the truth was she asking for it was she asking nights yes she was asking for it did she ask you twice every time that i stare into the sun little dust in my dress just comes little dust in my eyes and every time that i stare into the sun and every time that i stare into the sun and every time that i stare into the sun You're a rocker to fail. Do you think you can make me do it again? Was she asking for it? Was she asking nice? Yes, she was asking for it. Did she ask you twice? If you live through this for me, I swear that I will die for you. And if you live through this for me, I swear that I will die for you. Was she asking for it? Was she asking nice? Yes, she was asking for it. Did she ask you twice? Was she asking for it? Was she asking nice? Yes, she was asking for it. Did she ask you twice? I think I think that Courtney is like one of the most amazing guitar players out there. I mean, you know, it's she has like a really unique sense of rhythm. She plays really hard. And actually I've learned a lot from her as a guitarist. And that's interesting because I've got like an idea of what a good guitarist is. Yeah, you know, and like a certain amount of things and skills that they have and ways they, you know, communicate the instrument and stuff like that. Yeah. And someone like Courtney Love or even Kurt Cobain to a certain extent and other players like that. I would not disregard them completely. Yeah. But they just like they just do the chords, you know, I mean, they might do a bit of melody. They probably don't know too much stuff. Yeah. But what you don't think is like, well, hang on. They hit they've they've got a style and they've got something that's quite idiomatic to them. Yeah. And and other people find that really inspiring. I think there's a authenticity to it. Yeah. Dave Grohl, I think, is another guy who famously can't play the guitar. Yeah. Yeah. He doesn't know the chords. No idea. There's a lovely interview with him where somebody's saying, oh, that's a desus for whatever. He's just like, no idea. Yeah. Yeah. I genuinely just move my fingers around. That's what I find. Oh, I like that sound of that. And then I remember the command and I go, I like the hat. And then I remember and then I might try moving it up a bit or down a bit. Yeah. And sometimes that sounds good. And sometimes it doesn't. And that's how you get ever long. But yeah. Because it is. No. Ever long. Ever long is literally the same shape moving about pretty much. She's got no idea what I'm doing. I just. Yeah. Yeah. And I think. I don't know. There's you see this with photography a lot as well, where people obsess about the technology. Yeah. Technicality of it about. Is it is it in focus and is it sharp and have you got everything? Is it balanced and all of these things? Yeah. And then when I used to run the local camera club, like honestly, it's like some scrote will turn up with an iPhone and point at something and it's just been like. It's the best brilliant it's just like absolutely phenomenal do you know i mean and it's that um i don't know like katie i remember i talked about katie before on the show but she used to do that she got she brought a dslr camera no idea what she was doing with it had it in auto we would go on these like events and her photos were incredible yes and then and then everyone would go oh what what um aperture did you use katie and she was just like no idea what's that mean just play that i saw that and i thought it was pretty i liked it so i kind of moved the camera forwards and backwards until it did what i wanted it to do and then and then you go for it but it's that thing isn't it where there's a i think like like for katie and i think for like for kurt and for courtney love and for for for for dave growl like the love of the art here isn't in the technicality of the guitar and the chords and that it's in the song it's and and that that's the bit that i think that comes out it's you know someone's not been sitting there obsessing about which key that something was in yeah yeah um it you know it's just like does that move you does that does the thing do it you know are the lyrics saying what they want to say is it is it making you feel the way it should make you feel you know i i i think it's pretty epic yeah did you can we talk quickly actually about court about um courtney love yeah i don't know my father my biological father um he had custody taken away from him when i was three um and then i have have stripped erratically over the years yes but at 15 i went to japan and i remember i called my mother from japan i'm like i'm in japan and i'm stripping it she didn't believe me and um in order for me to get back after i realized what was really going on i turned myself in for deportation a lot of people get very into i mean the name of my band arises from a conversation that i had with my mother and i guess it has that entendre and as a poet as somebody who always wanted to be a poet there's no money in it i've always been looking for the quadruple entendre you know the bar do you know what shakespeare could do and my mother said to me now courtney you know you just can't walk around with a hole in yourself because you have bad childhood and i remember thinking what a brilliant name as we talked about i wrote the wrong blog when i eventually got around to writing the wrong the right blog um um this is a brilliant example of where i was when i've finished the blog what i'll often do is i'll dump it into chat gpt and i'll just kind of go fight is am i missing anything yeah yeah yeah and um i have to be in the early days of chat gpt it was horrific but now it's pretty pretty good and it just made stuff up now it's pretty good it's kind of like oh you know it always it always like like properly gives you like you know a high five aren't you amazing great great blog and then and then it will and then it will kind of you know say things and this one it said oh you didn't mention that uh courtney love was briefly in faith no more yeah i'm like you just made that up you know when you're like don't i totally do not believe you and then went off down this rabbit hole of checking and looking and this video there's youtube videos so 1984 yeah yeah so way before faith no more as you would know it today like when in the very very early stages she was on the west coast kind of there must have all been about 10 yeah she was on the west coast like literally just kind of busking and bombing down the west coast in various different scenes and for like four or five months was the singer for faith no more that's crazy and i just i didn't there's just something i really love about that yeah yeah i absolutely do it's that kind of that kind of thing yeah there's other things i love about this album shall i tell you some other things i love about this album yeah um so one of them is the last track yeah so the last track is i think it's my favorite i think i actually think that the last song on the record is my favorite song it's like it you it feels live doesn't it yeah i mean it's got a real total live feel to live room feel to it you know there's like they start it like three times and then before they get going um it's badged on all of the lists as rockstar yeah but there was a mix-up with the dat tapes so so it had this the i the the album should have had um a hidden track on the end um and that was this wasn't it yeah that should have been called this so the last track should have been called olympia yeah and then rockstar oh rockstar was a secret track was the secret track oh right wow okay and it got mixed up so so then they kind of got you got got yeah so then you ended up with rockstar and actually the track was olympia that's on the record yeah and there's lots of things i love about it one i love the fact that that like this just couldn't happen today that i'd be that i'd be set in a bunch of like wavs or yeah yeah yeah um so i like the fact that it kind of got mixed up in the first place yeah second thing i love about it is that they just kind of shrugged and went uh or whatever yeah do you know what i mean it didn't change you know you know what musicians are like in in uh in studios there's like uh final final final final you know what i mean every every track's been mucked about with 200 times before it goes to press um so i love the fact that they kind of just did it and went yeah oh well it is what isn't it yeah um interestingly they played the actual track rockstar live when they toured this um and and talked about it a little bit um i love the fact there's never been a reissue so it's never never corrected that never corrected it's never you can go and buy if you look on discogs and stuff you can buy vinyl copies of it with it on yeah but they're not official copies they are you can go and pray if you want to you can go and like fart in a cup and press it on vinyl um there are people that have done that not farted in a cup and pressed it but you know they've taken the album and put the correct answer now and and read on it um and the other thing i love about this you know you've laughed at me in the past about my labeling love i love the dymo labelers yeah i think the dymo labelers are the best they're like science class things aren't they yeah they're the best things i look i'll put i honestly i will dymo label everything like my coffin's gonna have like dead you actually bought one i didn't i've got to die i've got a proper original dymo label and i label everything with it um the back cover of if you talk about the album cover for um for for this album i want to capture is the look on a woman's face as she's being crowned this sort of ecstatic um blue eyeliner running kind of i am i am i won i have hemorrhoid cream under my eyes and adhesive tape on my butt and i had to scratch and claw and but i won this congeniality and that that's the essence of sickness in this culture that i'd like to capture like the record itself is a beauty queen's a beauty pageant uh the photographer ellen von unworth uh shot on model leilani bishop and she just won some like uh you know pageant some pageant or whatever in the us and she's screaming with like joy and the mascara is running and all of that kind of stuff so they they kind of take that um that picture and the band are like or courtney look particularly is kind of really anti these kind of pageants and stuff so the lyrics for the album kind of run through and and um you know it's kind of quite a a juxtaposition with what that was and everything and i like that on the back of the album there's a picture of courtney love as a kid and all the track names dimo labeler yeah it's brilliant you're getting full marks from me i just think you know like it's i saw i saw a lovely thread this week about what the album cover for dark side of the moon was about and everyone's just full of but you know when people are people just make it up yeah just full of bullshit about oh blah blah blah blah um if you're curious the dark side of the moon album cover there's a a documentary called squaring the circle about hypnosis and it's for no if you like albums of that that genre and that time of of of music life in in london hypnosis were phenomenal basically the pink floyd boys went in to see hypnosis they showed them three potentials and they chose that one right yeah yeah there's no meaning behind it whatsoever but everyone kind of tributes this thing yeah now you'd expect pink floyd to have such an iconic cover as well yeah you'd expect that's why they chose it they chose it for this oh that is just striking and and you know we love it it's brilliant um you'd expect pink floyd to have agonized over the cover and the meaning behind but they didn't they just chose them and that's how nearly all of the that's how album covers were done back then yeah yeah this one the album cover really matches the lyrics really strongly thought through i i don't know there's just something really yeah yeah clever yeah yeah and authentic about it you know there's just something super clever yeah it's been conceptualized it's properly like yeah meaningful to the to the tracks and yeah yeah and it's got a dimo labeler on the back so if you're doing an album cover use dimo label it for your tracks that's the way it is um but yeah that i i yeah very very cool um and yeah i it's yeah it's it's just dead recognizable as well this yeah this record is it's kind of you're almost out of focus yes yes that's the thing i thought when i would as a photographer when you see there's a few album covers that i think are like uh vulgar display of power you know the uh pantera one that kind of reminds similar kind of you know it's kind of not in focus a little bit but you recognize it's really stands out yeah it's striking miles away literally for that one yeah it is yeah when i went to school oh when i went to school when i went to olympia when i went to olympia we looked the same we talked the same yeah yeah don't you please make me real for you oh oh oh olympia oh oh oh oh olympia oh oh oh oh oh oh Make me sick for you! Make me real for you! I went to school, Olympia Everyone's the same And so are you! Olympia Everyone's the same We look the same We talk the same We even talk the same When I went to school, Olympia Don't you please make me real? Come on! Make me sick! Come on! Make me real! Yeah, yeah, yeah Do it for the kids Do it for the kids, yeah Do it for the kids, yeah Do it for the kids, yeah Do it for the kids, yeah Do it, do it, do it, do it Do it for the kids No, we're not done I went to school, Olympia. Yeah, that's definitely my favourite one. It's good, isn't it? Yeah, I do like that one. I like that. This album is, you know, some... It's funny. Obviously, we go back and it's like the golden rule is 25 years old or more, right, for albums that we cover on the show. And sometimes we'll come up with ideas and you think, oh, I've not listened to that for ages. And you remember how it made you feel. But then when you listen to it again, it's like, oh, you know. Oh, I see. Sometimes it's not, you're like, oh, I remember it better than it was. And some of them are the opposite. Some of them, I think, like, oh, you know, I can remember it. It was all right. Yeah. And then I'll go back and listen to it. I'll tell you one that's done it this week for me is Bush's 16 Stone. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. And I've just like fallen in love with that record. Just like, you know, it's just like, I don't kind of knew it at the time, but I like, oh, God, that's just such a good redness. We're going to have to do that one because I like that one as well. Translates. I love it. Glycerine's on that one, isn't it? Oh, Glycerine's on it. Yeah. It's just epic. Come Down, is that on that one as well? I think, yeah. Come Down's on it too, yeah. I think that's my favourite one, actually. But this is the same for me. So to live through this. I've not played that. I used to play that. Did you? I used to play a lot when I used to do gigs. Like, I've not played that for years and years and years. I can't imagine you doing that as a teenager. Yeah, I definitely did. Chasing girls. Yeah. Playing acoustic guitars. Yeah. But I do, yeah, there is something about this record, so I live through this for me, that is, it's like better now. And I think some of that is to do with like modern production and all of that stuff kind of makes albums sound a certain way and the, you know, the compressed big loudness stuff. And this doesn't, but it still sounds big. It's got dynamics, but it still sounds big and snarly and it kind of rips your face off a little bit. And albums don't do that these days. No. I was listening to something that Youngblood has recorded. I really like Youngblood. I think he's a phenomenal entertainer. But it really hit me just how polished it was. It was, it was, it was interesting. It was done in this kind of way that it was like a live recording of kind of him in the room with somebody, you know, and you know, and you know, and you know enough about music and you hear it and you just think that's been through like, you know, a billion producers to make it sound like, you know, the chain that's not got two or three things in the chain. That's, that's, you know, the chains rolling to the ground on that one. But it's interesting to me. There's, there's a, you lose it. Not that the performance is bad, but the, the, I think that the, there's something that's very packaged, isn't it? Yeah. There's something about the performance here of this that was live and over time and is unreproducible. Yes. Like this record, the tracks on this album. If you put that whole band back together a year later, it wouldn't sound like it does. And it's capturing a point in time. So, um, and I think there's something for me particularly, I, I, there's something I really like. I think that you've just hit on something there that, cause I've, so I, I took, um, Gemma, Gemma and Erin to the airport. Yeah. Um, cause Erin was doing like a competition. She's doing the karate. Karate. Yeah. Yeah. Um, and, um, I had Sleep Token on all the way there, you know, the, um, Arcadia album. Yeah. Even in Arcadia. Even in Arcadia. New one. And, uh, and was like, wow, you know, this is great. You know, it's really good stuff. Yeah. And, um, I think it's Damocles and in particular, I really, I really liked that. Like the drums, the drums at the end of that, there'll be kids studying that for years, you know, the work on that. It's just incredible. But the, there's a piece, there's a piece missing for me, which is that, you know, all the music that is currently recorded now is so superbly engineered and produced, but you just sort of think, and even, you know, the live performance, the show is so spectacular and rehearsed. It's reproducible, isn't it? Because there's so much technology involved. It's like, you know, you can. And there's the thing about, like, I've seen so many bands recently and they've got the backing tracks going. Yeah. Yeah. And so what you get in on the stage is, it's so good. And I feel really bad because I feel like I'm like the old boomer guy going, well, it's not like when I was a kid. Yeah, all right. Shut up, dad. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All the, all the amps fed back and, you know, like it was proper and the, it's not the proper music anymore. Real amplifiers. You know, and actually the, you know, the music's incredible. There's nothing, you know, it's, it's better than it ever was. You know, the sound quality, the plugins everyone's got, you know, the, the. Well, they do that live now as well, don't they? Yeah, yeah, exactly. And the plugins and the plugin chains and all of the DSPs, it's all run live. Yeah, and it's, it's absolutely incredible. It sounds amazing and sometimes a bit soulless as a result. But I think like here, so 90, if you saw Hole in 94, this album was released on 12th of April, 94. If you saw Hole in like November. Yeah. It would not have sounded like the album. No, no, no. You know, and every, every song would sound a little bit different. And do you know what I mean? And for me that there is something about that. It's kind of, you know, the AI is not going to be able to reproduce that particularly well. Whereas actually, I think it probably could go and take a modern rock record. Yeah. And reproduce it or make it, you know, make a facsimile of that. Not that it would be particularly great, but do you know what I mean? It would, it would. And I also think there's like, I, I love the, these albums. They capture a point in time and, and it is like lightning in a bottle almost. I think there's so much like compression and so much computery stuff and pro tools. These stuff happens in a recording and they record it over and over again. Yeah. If you put the same band back in the studio a year later and had them do 10 takes, you'd get 99.9% of the album you had. Yeah. Yeah. I think if you did it with Hole, A, you'd have a different band. Yeah. Courtney and some other people. Do you know what I mean? But, but it, I don't know. I, I, and again, I, I, same as you, I kind of feel like I'm being a bit like the, the old boomer, but, um, it's kind of, it's not what I mean. I'm not trying to put like modern music down. No, because it's really good. I'm trying to say the same thing. It's amazing music. It's like this, there is something like, it's easy to listen back to this and think, oh, it sounds thin and weedy. Yeah. Yeah. There is something like special about, about this. And like there is for modern music as well, but you know, it's, they're different, different things. Yes. Yeah. Should we do some facts? Let's do some facts. I'll do some facts. Um, so, um, released 12th of April, 1994, as we've discussed, if it's wrong, I, I don't mind. Um, uh, interestingly, the genre they get, I think Courtney Love preferred to talk of them as a punk rock band. Yeah. Um, but they, but they were put in grunge, were they? Yeah. They were put in grunge. I thought, but it's, it is spiky. And then alt rock and then, and then, uh, and then rock and roll, which she hated with a passion. She did not like the genres. The word rock and roll is so polluted and just full of bloated, fat old dinosaurs. I'm so sick of that rock and roll word. It disgusts me. I just, I hate it. I'm not playing rock and roll. Grunge. She tolerated a little bit, I think, cause you know, that, you know, I think she got a few connections there. So, um, total runtime, 38 minutes, 12 tracks. That's your perfect, perfect. Yes. But on record label, DGC, David Geffen. I want to say David Geffen company. Yeah. Um, sub brand of Geffen records. Now, um, I started to look a little bit about, um, who was on it and I've prepared a list. Have you really? Nirvana. Yeah. They were on DGC, not on Geffen. Oh, really? They, their first album in utero was on, oh no, they're not in utero. Um, Bleach. Yeah. Bleach was sub pop. Yep. Okay. Yep. Yep. And then they moved on to DGC. Sonic Youth, uh, were on DGC. Goo, Dirty, uh, were on there. A whole, it was the, uh, Weezer did the Blue Album. Um, Beck did Mellow Gold and Odellay. Counting Crows, August and Everything After were on DGC. Really? Um, uh, yeah. And the Poses did, uh, Frosting on the Beta, which I quite like as well. Um, but the, uh, DGC was kind of like the, the old, dirty, you know, uh, but, but pretty cool, they had some pretty, pretty cool, pretty cool stuff. And was it that thing of like, if you did really well, you got onto Geffen, you got onto the big, I don't know, because like Nirvana stayed with DGC. I didn't know that. I thought they, I actually thought they were Geffen. Yeah, DGC were kind of like the cool. Yeah, yeah, yeah. If you, Geffen were a bit big. Yeah. Um, and it's interesting that, um, you know, when we covered, uh, Nirvana, we covered Nevermind, there's tons of interviews where Kurt Cobain's talking about how he hates that the band are so big. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I think that's really interesting for me. I think that, I think he would, he would have resisted massively a move to Geffen. Yeah. I think he would have hated that. I don't think he would have enjoyed that at all. Um, you know, I think he absolutely hated the fact that the band had got this, he just got way, way, way too big, um, which is kind of everything he despised about the world. And, and, um, he could be a real grumpy bastard. That was part of his power, you know, without saying a word, he could make the whole room feel like, you know, and he also had an intense narcissism, like you're coming to me, but he also didn't have one atom of rockstar ego and he needed it. He needed, he didn't give himself enough credit. I mean, he knew he was the, at the same time, he didn't give himself. Yes. Interesting. But DGC were very much that underground label. Very, very cool, um, uh, albums on there. Um, uh, produced by Paul Q. Caldery and Sean Slade, who again, did a whole bunch of stuff. Scott Lit, uh, did a bunch of mixing. I think most of it on there, um, uh, the, the, the reference of Jay Maskis, uh, mixing Gutless. Um, I don't know a huge amount about, um, uh, about both of those really, um, first album from, from whole was pretty on the inside. Uh, it was released in 1991 and then, uh, true to form the band completely splintered. And then, uh, Courtney Love came back and rebuilt. Um, so Love and Eric Erlandson, uh, recruited drummer, Patty, uh, Schemmel, uh, and then they went to, uh, a place called Carnation in Washington. Um, uh, which is interesting. That's, uh, where, uh, Courtney Love lived with, uh, Kurt Cobain. Oh, really? Okay. Yeah. Um, which, yeah, I think that's where a lot of this stuff was, uh, was written. Um, the session. And that's Washington, Washington, isn't it? Not Washington, D.C. Yeah. Washington, D.C. Is not Washington. Washington is like Pacific Northwest. I mean, it's Seattle. And then you have Washington, which is Washington, D.C., which is, that's the one that the movies have in it, um, where the White House is and all of that, where they're, where they're building the Death Star. I'm pretty sure that's what they're doing, isn't it? That's what they're doing. Yeah. I like that. Yeah. Ballroom with lasers. Of all the people. I know, like, President Trump gets a lot of abuse around the world, but if any president could get away with building a Death Star, it's him, isn't it? He'd just be like, what, what Death Star? No Death Star. It's not a Death Star. It's, it's a ballroom. It's a moon. Yeah. It's a ballroom. It's just, it's not a Death Star. And then eventually when it is a Death Star, he's like, ha ha, it's a Death Star. And then he'd just blow everybody up. I like that. That's what, that's what my brain is like all day. Yeah. And then who would, who would, who would, you'd have him and, what would Putin do? Like, I, he'd. No, he'd be like that, that one on the, the, the newer Star Wars where they like re-terraform the planet and then it's got, he's got like a Death Star built into the planet. Yeah. Yeah. But he'd be the same. Starkiller base. That's it. Starkiller base. Yeah. How do they name that? Yeah. Epic. Yeah. It is good, isn't it? That. It is. Well, wasn't Luke Skywalker originally called Luke Starkiller? Luke Starkiller base. No, I don't know. No, I'm sure, I'm sure Skywalker. Yeah. Was, was, it was, it was called Luke Starkiller. I'm sure he was in the original, in the original scripts and the drafts. And then they renamed him Skywalker. It's a bit dark, isn't it? Yeah, because of that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. But, but the Starkiller base, I think was a nod to it. All right. I don't know that, you know, all these things. I might be wrong though. You can see, I, cause I, cause I read things on the internet. Isn't it like a GPT? I can say, are you sure? And you go, oh yeah, actually I made it up. That is, that is. No, I, I looked at the sources on the internet quite a lot. I like Star Wars. I like, yeah. I'm a proper, I'm nerdy. I like Star Wars. I like Star Trek and all of that. I like, I like all of it. I know you're like, um, my friend's a big Star Wars fan. And so you can't like both. I don't know why I do. Why can I not like both? I think they're brilliant. Yeah. I'd love all that. I like all of it. And you know when people are like, oh, you can't like the new stuff. Yeah, I like that as well. I like all of it. I watch all of it. I was, I mean, Barney went, we went into Leicester today in the car and, um, we were talking about, about stuff and he was like going, what was it like when you were little? So I was little in the seventies. Yeah. Yeah. So you have to bear in mind, like five years after, like five years before I was born, we were putting men on the moon and it was exciting. It was, it was just genuinely exciting. And I was like, we were just obsessed with space and Mars. And like, I had like, uh, like loads of like toy rockets and flying cars were dead exciting. And like James Bond had cars that went underwater and like every, like we genuinely believe by the turn of the century, we'd all be in flying cars and living on the moon. And, and we're debating whether the earth is round now. And so he's looking at me like, I don't believe you. Like I don't believe you. And the only thing that ever gets told about space is like a horror story. Yeah. Like Alien or, you know, the only movies that exist, the only, the only things that seem to exist about extraterrestrial life are invasions. Yeah. I like that though. Yeah. I'm not, I'm not, I'm not bothered about it. I love, I love all that. I love aliens. I love aliens invading. I love cool aliens. I like E.T. But the now stuff is all very fear based is what I'm trying to say. It's not like Star Trek was very, very hope based. It was very. Star Trek was, yeah. Star Trek was very kind of, you know, universal living wage, wasn't it? And all of that, it was all like, if you, if you, if it's based on the assumption that if you take away the need for humans to go and work to, to survive, they'll all naturally go and do good things anyway. Yeah. And they won't, they'll all just watch Netflix. And we saw that because when, when you had the lockdown, everybody watched Tiger King on Netflix. Yeah. We're useless as a species. I think, I can't even remember what I did. I'm criticising everybody, I have no idea. I can't remember what I did. No, no. It was so short. I know people that made that bread. Oh yeah, yeah. There was a lot of bread, wasn't there? Everyone made bread, didn't they? Sourdough. Sourdough, everyone made sourdough. Sourdough bread. Yeah. I don't think I did. I don't know what I did. Oh, I had to work. Yeah. That's what I did as well. Yeah. I forgot what I was doing. Oh, I was doing facts. So, it was recorded on the, it began on 8th of October, 1993. It was recorded in 23 days at Triclops Sound Studios. It was interesting. The band were largely based in LA and West Coast, and they moved quite a long way away from, from that, which I think is really interesting. You hear that a lot where bands, ACDC did that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They did the Black Album, they did Back in Black. They went off to the Bahamas. Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, yeah, it's interesting. In the recording, the band famously, it was kind of recorded almost live. They still did a few different tracks of it. Courtney would often do like a dozen vocal tracks. Yeah. And then they would pick the one, very Rick Rubin-esque, they'd pick the one with the best performance, not necessarily the best, you know, the most perfect technical, which I think is really interesting. Geffen requested that the voice break in dull parts be smoothed out. Yeah, it was pushed in production to not do that, which I really like it. Kurt Cobain dropped in mid-session, and he did some backing tracks on Asking For It and Soft Softest. I'm still not convinced. I've not listened to them on headphones. I don't know whether you can hear. Maybe you've got better ears than I do. But, yeah, it's interesting, I think, that it's kind of talked about, it's kind of thing, but it's this. Yeah, yeah. And I wonder if he hadn't died, whether, if he'd still be down, whether they'd have even talked about it so much. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's true. Which I think is going to be interesting. The cover we've talked about, but essentially that was done by photographer Ellen Von Unworth, who shot model Leila Irony Bishop when she was being crowned, and that became the cover shot. And the concept was designed and pitched by Courtney Love. So it wasn't like an accident. It wasn't that she designed the cover. She knew exactly what she wanted. Dispatch the photographer to go and take that shot. Yeah, yeah. And, yeah, that's what they wanted it to be. On the back of the album, yeah, you can see there's a picture of Courtney Love as a child. And my favourite thing is the Dymo label on the back, which is epic. Didn't chart that well when it was, when it was, when it was released. It was, it was released like days, like days after Kurt Cobain's death. Obviously there's a machine involved here. It wasn't like Kurt died and they went, oh, push the button and push this thing out. Yeah, yeah. This would have already been locked in place. But I always thought it was interesting that they didn't try and delay it or give it a bit of time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was just kind of, and in fact, Courtney Cobain, Courtney Love came under so much pressure for stuff. I mean, in the live show, she famously like mimed his death and stuff. And some of the things she's talked about in the press since then, she, she got a lot of flack for, for that, which I think is interesting. Yeah. Didn't do very well initially. And then, and then kind of took off after that. It was the album after this one that actually. Yeah, that was the cut of all, wasn't it? Yeah, that one did really well. 1994, other albums from 1994. Oh, there's big ones, wasn't there? Corn did something. So the big ones. Pice of Scariot. Super Unknown. Okay, yeah. Vitalogy. Yeah. Gyroflies. Dookie. Dookie was then. Downward Spiral. Park Life as well from The Blur. So, again, it's a big. Yeah, it's a lot of big hitters that year. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it is a big hitter. Big, big, big thing. Are they big? Because we look back now and we go, they were big albums. They were massive. At the time, was they like, this is a golden age of music. No. We were all just drunk in the pub, weren't we? With those video jukeboxes. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. Certainly with Dookie. I remember you couldn't go into a pub in Ashby without, without someone playing something off Dookie. Yeah. All night. Yeah. But yeah, it was a bit, it was, it was an interesting time. It was exciting. Yeah, yeah. It was, you know, the hair metal had died down, kind of a grunge and Nirvana. I mean, I suppose, you know, calming a little bit. But you, then you had like, your Pearl Jam. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I don't know. It was, it was, I thought it was an exciting time for music. It was a good time for music, for sure. It was, wasn't it? Yeah, yeah. But I think it's always an exciting, I don't know. Like, I think people are going to look back on what Youngblood is doing at the moment. Yeah, and that was an exciting time for music. Depends how old you are and stuff. But yeah, interesting. Four singles came off the album. Miss World, Doll Parts, Violet and Softer Softest. And then the last track is marked as Rockstar, but is actually the track Olympia and it was never corrected. And if you look on of, if you look on Discogs, you'll find versions of it that you can buy with it corrected, which is, I don't know. I love the fact that they didn't do it. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. And I, I, I, I don't know. It's interesting because the band will have obsessed over all the different things and then for the wrong track to go out. Yeah, yeah. And then just go out, whatever. Yeah, yeah. Do you know what I mean? And it's like, for me, that's properly like punk rock. It's like, you know. It's what it is. Yeah. Yeah. Get over it. I like that. Promotion was huge. They went out on promotion and did all kinds of stuff. But Kristen Pfaff died in June 94. This came out in April. Oh, wow. Wow. So, yeah, a couple of months later. So, they kind of just got into doing touring. Kristen died of an overdose in June and then the band just kind of paused. And then they came back with, with Melissa Oaf de Moor on, on bass. They played Reading and like, you know, Courtney Love was just all over the place. You know, there's tons of footage of her at that point just being, I don't know. I mean, she's clearly grieving and just angry at the world and just kind of don't really care. But they went on tour like hard. They were, they were, yeah, I think I kind of get the feeling that Courtney Love just didn't want to sit still at that point in time. And there's so much, like, grief to deal with. And she's just, they went off and told, like, the bejesus out of the album. I didn't need to call for an intervention. I shouldn't have called for an intervention. I just panicked. He thought he was a waste of space. Yes, it's, yes, I told him he had dropped the baby. And I was mean about it. I wasn't really mean, but I wasn't nice about it. You know, we were really polite to each other, generally. And I told him on the phone, I'm like, you know, you dropped the baby. The other day. When I was in rehab. You dropped the baby. He was like, what? I'm like, you dropped the baby. You dropped Frances on her head. She was wearing a big hooded coat. He did not hurt her. And I did not need to tell him that. He felt like a waste of space and a sellout. And he'd made everything too huge. And it was his fault that everything was too huge. Do you understand what I mean? Yes, I do. I mean, it became like a Mack truck. It was, first, it was magical. It was so weird. It was surreal and magic in there. Everybody my age remembers that period when his band got big. And then huge. And then the grown-ups knew. And then the boomers knew. And then, you know, and he was too famous. Influences on them. I mean, there's some really obvious stuff here when you think about, like, Pixies, The Breeders, Echo and the Bunnymen, Joy Division. Tons of bands who've credited them as influencing them as well. Like Garbage and Parabore, obviously. Yeah, of course. Skunk and Nancy Skin as well. And Alanis Morissette. So. Yeah, it sort of paved the way, didn't they? Really? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think, I think, I think, but I think it was, a lot of it was kind of Courtney Love kind of going, you know, it's, it's all right to have an opinion. You don't have to be, you know, not everyone has to like you. Yeah. And I think that she, yeah, I don't know. I think she definitely paved the way for that kind of, yeah. I was like, strong female lead. Like, like, it's like, like she invented it and she clearly didn't. But, but yeah, I think she, she carried the torch. Yeah, yeah, yeah. A little bit. Dedication. So the album was dedicated to Joe Cole, who was Black Flag and Rollins band roadie, who was murdered in 91 after attending a whole show. Oh, gosh. And again, I didn't, I just did not know. No, I didn't have any idea about that. Did not know that at all. It's been used in all kinds of movies and stuff. It's been used in CSI, Jennifer's Body, Bridesmaid, Devil in a Hide, the track Violet, it was used there. Rockstar was used in Stealing Beauty in 96. Yeah, it's been used all over the place. Yeah, yeah. It's really interesting. Yeah, there are no reissues or remasters. That's incredible. Of this, which is brilliant. Yeah. Which I like a lot. And then, I just need it. Yeah. This is what it is. There is nothing that needs to change on this album. Even, I think even the track, you know, being wrong. I don't know. Yeah, it's part of what it is. Yeah, it's part of what it is. Part of the story. Yeah. But apparently, there's a growing group of people online. There's always a group of people online, aren't there? Campaigning for a reissue with the tracks corrected. And they want all the demos re-released. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I can see that. I could get behind that a little bit, I suppose. But, I don't know. I think leave it as it is. And that is... Oh, I had one more fact, which I seem to have removed from my blog. And they were given $40,000 to record it. Wow, right. Which is not much, is it? No, it's not. It doesn't feel a lot. No. I suppose it probably was back then. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But yeah, they're $40,000 to record this album. And I don't know. They weren't given much to record the first one. And then I'm sure Celebrity Skin got a few more quid thrown out of it. Yeah, yeah. But yeah, $40,000. Mm. Which... I haven't said that. Some of the albums we've talked about. 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There were three albums I really wanted to do. I wanted to do this one. Yeah. I wanted to do Doolittle by the Pixies. Yeah. And I wanted to do L7 because the bricks are heavy. Shall we just do Doolittle and then we'll do L7 afterwards. Yeah. There's just something. There's just something about these three that I like if I'm in them. That's two weeks of planning. If I'm in the mood for listening. If I'm in the mood for live through this. Yeah. I know that I'm going to love L7 and I know that I'm going to love Pixies as well. Yeah. And it's weird because they're not like a Pixies. No. Yeah. Pixies and this don't sound the same. L7's got a. There's something there though. There's something that's similar. I think it's production. Yeah. Yeah. But it's. Yeah. There's something about the energy as well. There's something about the. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There is. And you know. Behind some of those. Yeah. It's. There's an authenticity to it. There's a. Production style to it that I particularly like. Mm. On these records. But yeah. It's weird. It's like. If I'm in the mood. Do you know like. If you. If I'm like. Oh. I really want a piece of toast. Mm. I'd probably be alright with a crumpet as well. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. Like if I'm listening to one. I quite often listen to. It's yeah. Mm. It's funny in it. Mm. Yeah. I think let's do do a little. Yeah. Okay. After that we'll do Bush. Oh. Do little then L7 then Bush. That's three weeks of planning. Do you know. Do you know. You know what made me really sad. Mm. So I've been listening to Bush quite a lot the last probably three four weeks. Yeah. I've really kind of dived dove dove dove dove. You've dove into it. Diven. Doven. Doven. But I've gone. I listened to it a lot essentially. And. Yeah. Really really enjoyed it. And. It was album day last weekend. Mm. National. National album day. National rock album day. And I found myself in HMV. I don't often go in HMV. No. I went in there. I went. That's funny you say that for the first time in a long time. Yeah. I went in there the other day. And I felt. Oh no. It's all. It's all different. Browsing through the record. I like that. Yeah. Yeah. They're all. They're all like 30 quid. Yeah. No. Not paying 30 quid. No. For this record. When I know that if I go online I'll find it for 20 quid. Yeah. And I get that you've got to run your shop Mr. HMV. Yeah. But that's too much. Because I used to work in music resale. Oh. A long time ago. In Virgin. Yeah. And. Did you lick the records? It was a real golden era. Yeah. The music that was out when I used to work in that record. The best. Absolutely incredible. Banging. That sort of. It was that early 2000s. I remember Lizzie used to work in WH Smith. Yeah. Not WH, just Woolworths. Woolworths. Wow. And she used to play Smashing Pumpkins. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So as soon as the manager's back was turned the Smashing Pumpkins would be on. As it should. It was. I just. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then I went to HMV. I was like. It's not. It's weird isn't it HMV? It doesn't feel the same anymore. HMV feels a bit hip. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. It feels a bit try hard. Yeah. It does. I did find two records though. Yeah. Okay. What did you go for? I bought Gojira's Magma. Oh. Magma. Magma. We covered that. It was amazing. I like Gojira a lot. I like that one that goes. But. What's that song that I like by them? Amazonia? Nope. Because of this. It's like. Like that. Oh I don't know that one. They're so good. That was the worst. My. That was the worst. I was listening to it in my car. Yeah. And Leo really likes music. Yeah. He was asking me about them and I said they're French and he said they don't sound French. Yeah. That was his review of it. That was great. The point of the story though was that I was actually looking for Bush's 16 stone. okay yeah and i could not find bush's 16 stone so i think you know what i'm gonna ask the girl behind the couch she looks about 18 yeah i'm pretty confident she'd never heard of bush yeah yeah yeah so i went off and i thought i know i'm gonna ask and see you know see what i can do here yeah and i got my my gojira albums under my arm so i'd like to buy these magma magma and i would love to know if you can get bush's 16 stone and she says oh yeah there's a re-releases of it and blah blah blah but we can't get them uh and then she had a quick look for me and then showed me her screen and it's like 300 quid oh my god for the copy of it i'm like what stranded is the song that oh stranded yeah sorry that is is that off that record uh i don't think it is that's off off of um i need to look that one's off of let me go and look in my um oh that's interesting fortitude i think it's off yeah i think you're right do you know what i'm gonna look amazonia's fortitude okay um it's the one with the bluey cover yeah no you're right it's the other one it's it's magma it is magma there we go magma stranded magma i everyone likes gojira even if they don't know it yet yeah if you're wondering and you're thinking why are they talking about gojira i've never heard of them you should go and listen to them absolutely they're good yeah um anyway that was my story i got excited because i thought i can go and get myself a copy of bush's 16 stone and i would like that that would make me feel happy 300 quid lighter yeah yeah i've got like a limit i won't pay any more than like 40 pounds yeah now but i just think it's stupid yeah and i know people do and collect them and all that stuff and and you know but it's a lot of money there's a lot of money for for record and they do they smell like albums smell nice i think they're lovely it's not worth 300 quid though is it smell nice well i'd have bought a reissue yeah if they'd have reissued it for like 25 yeah yeah with a splatter yeah i've pre-ordered the megadeth yeah splatter they've got their final ever album um so we'll have to do when that comes out we'll have to do some megadeth albums more megadeth i like megadeth yeah yeah um but i like that i'll order that that's fine i think that was 26 pounds yeah i'm like okay it's more than i would expect to pay but it's a double album and it's it's you know when they do the the splatter and yeah they're the vinyl and it's it's you know it's nice and you get some other stuff with the other okay i'm i'm down with that yeah but like hundreds of pounds for tell me the goo goo dolls yeah yeah yeah a boy named goo superstar car wash they're in the they're selling for hundreds of pounds now stupid yeah one more the thing is you're like i want reissues of them so i can go and have my copy yes yeah because i'm not i'm not i'm not a collector i don't know you just want to copy that album yeah i want i want to be able to when i'm sitting on my ass during the day i want to go and think do you know what i'm going to listen to 16 stone or live through this or do little or whatever it happens to be yeah i want to go and pick and and and i get myself a cup of tea and i put my record on and it's like i don't know this just something makes me feel better doesn't matter what's happening makes me feel better when i do that and i can't do it now because it's too expensive stupid shall we go i suppose so thank you for coming back if you get this far i feel like there should be like a little prize yeah yeah if you get to here i got a cred i owned a credly badge this week for doing some training for formal compulsory training that i was forced to do at work yeah i had to do it and i got a credly badge for doing it really it made me feel quite happy oh there we go and it may be you know and lizzie made fun of me yeah i've like she says you're just like a big five-year-old and i was like oh yes she says that's what we do with the children you give them a badge yeah i give them a sticky you know give them a sticker yeah and they're like i'm a sucker for a certificate is the happier that happiest they've been ever and i just felt so totally seen and like you know belittled all i wanted for when i was a child was like do you get a certificate for that oh yes stickers yeah anything like i'm totally done with that you know what do you know that's the only reason i give blood is because i can go and get a chocolate bar i've just got to say we had a recording error then a recording error yeah and it was really really good and we discovered that because we can't do it now because it was really organic how it happened yeah um because we discovered we're both going to give blood tomorrow at the same like potentially even at the same time i'm doing it now are you going on i'm doing it now tuesday 28th of october yeah what time 1 35 150 250 or 3 oh no it's way too early is it yeah no i'm going later than that do you reckon i'll change my time i don't know we just hold hands let's just show up together can we do it together i don't like you doing that this is going to be horrible but they're they're quite they're quite strict yeah yeah i've i've yeah in my experience of them they're quite they're quite strict so yeah i'm just looking at this 28th what's my daylight tomorrow i've got i i reckon i can do this you know i can do uh oh i've got loads of things there oh 135 yeah i'm gonna do that you know they can yeah they can do one i'm gonna i'm booking one oh god where's it how could you book in now though i don't know i because i have to book in like months in advance yeah but they're uh i've got special blood did you make in front of me and they just want you whenever just could they do yeah i can go in i've got um no i've just a lot of genuinely you haven't you i've just done it yeah uh 135 yeah if anybody wants to join me i'll be giving blood i'm gonna go i'm gonna go and see i'm booked in for ten past five but can you squeeze me in earlier mine says i have neonatal blood really i give blood to babies oh that's really cool it makes me feel really good so you're like the opposite of that kind of like hollywood vampire circle yeah but there's there's some there's some virus that you get this is just like the the the most amazing like audio music commentary podcast ever um but there's a virus that like 90 percent of people have and once you have that virus you've got antibodies and then you can't give well you can give blood but your um infants don't react very well to it right um and there's like a fraction of like 10 percent of the population or whatever have not had it and once you get to a certain age it's really unlikely like some people are just naturally immune and don't get that virus you don't kind of just don't get it and so that blood goes to babies oh and you can see it when you get you know when you get your little blood bag yeah you'll see they tag it with the neo neo yeah yeah and then they don't but they chase me if i haven't done it like i they they um they they booked they rang me last time and did the uh the date and they got the date wrong yeah the date in the app for me was wrong so when i turned up there was no one there wow and then and then i rang them and they're like oh we're really sorry and then they yeah yeah we did it so white that's why i've not i've not i've normally got one scheduled there you go but yeah it's it's so and we also found out that you've done 20s somewhere and i've done 30s oh i don't know could you you saw in the app didn't you yeah it says on the app on the opening page on the opening page yeah on the home page yeah so i did i'm sure so i said 30 31 donations i've done yeah you've got loads more than me you see mine is uh mine's only 13 but i reckon i've got loads missing yeah yeah because we used to i used to do it when i worked in leicester yeah and then when we moved here i started to do it again and they started from scratch oh wow wow it's like they didn't have them and i reckon there was probably not as many as you still yeah yeah 10 or so but um and then we said this is the bit you miss you get a badge you get a badge yeah and i love sticker badge sticker you get um cup of tea yeah orange club orange club or i'll have a ginger nut sometimes you have a ginger nut yeah i like a ginger sometimes you have bags of crisps as well don't get cups of tea anymore no you get juice don't you yeah yeah and i was saying this to my friend i thought this was all across the country and it's not it's our tea urn is broken is that true yeah everyone else gets tea and coffee if you if you went to like nottingham you might get one but anywhere in the region that our blood people yeah our blood people is the collective noun people that work in that they um they um you don't have tea and i was saying why do we not have tea and she said that she said it's a long story but i'll tell you because you know you got nowhere you can't go anywhere she was quite funny and she said um we were donated a tea urn like so we used to have a little tea urn and and somebody donated us a really big one so we threw away we gave away our old tea urn and we used this big yeah yeah and it's developed a fault so when we plug it in it just trips the electricity so we now can't use it and it's gone off for repair and it needs an expensive part and obviously we've got no money to do that that's crazy so we now have um juice so that's the reason why we've got juice that's what she said yeah she broke during covid and this can't be like four what's that 50 quid 60 quid don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know might have to do a fundraiser but i mean genuinely if you have got this far now in our show and and you've got through all of the nonsense and the waffle and the blood and the stickers and uh i mean god help you really yeah yeah yeah fair play yeah fair play tell us how many blood you've done you should get a sticker um until yeah and if you've donated and you've given blood come on to come on to the x oh that's where i am mostly go on to x find us and say um yeah no preamble just i have yeah i have even blood don't know don't even say what it's for just say 10 times i love that that would be yeah yeah 34 times that would be so no one knows what's happening but we would know yeah that would be like and if you know you know yeah i love that yeah i don't know how to stop the show now no that's it that's there we go this do you know what this feels like to me do you know i'm a big fan of the hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy do you remember the bit about lintilla no so there's a clone there's a there's a cloning accident and so there's a miner she's a she's a um a miner called lintilla and she's been she's been designed she's been cloned to be sent off to all these different worlds where she's going to help terraform them yeah yeah yeah now the problem is uh now it's ringing a bell now the machine is halfway through producing a lintilla at all the time right so so there's no way to switch the machine off without killing one of the lintillas yeah and so there's no they can't switch it off yeah and it creates three million lintillas and they're all over the place that i feel like we're in that point yeah that's it that's it yeah yeah better go though better go bye sorry