WEBVTT 1 00:00:11.520 --> 00:00:12.240 A rifology. 2 00:00:14.000 --> 00:00:16.920 Oh, that was. That was a bit led deputy. Was it was a bit. 3 00:00:16.920 --> 00:00:17.520 Yeah, yeah. 4 00:00:18.160 --> 00:00:19.920 A bit like monk chant. Chanty monks. 5 00:00:19.920 --> 00:00:22.400 Chanty monks. Gregorian chance. 6 00:00:22.400 --> 00:00:24.200 They probably got a better name than chanty monks. 7 00:00:24.200 --> 00:00:25.040 Gregorian. 8 00:00:25.440 --> 00:00:26.440 Gregorian. 9 00:00:26.440 --> 00:00:28.160 Gregorian chance. 10 00:00:30.740 --> 00:00:33.620 Welcome. That was a joke. Was a bit. Mighty Bouche. 11 00:00:33.620 --> 00:00:34.740 Yes, it was, wasn't it? 12 00:00:34.740 --> 00:00:35.100 Yeah. 13 00:00:35.100 --> 00:00:36.180 I like the Mighty Bitch. 14 00:00:36.180 --> 00:00:58.740 I love that. You know, when I was deep into writing code during the Artemis missions for tracking, and I was like, properly down that. The rabbit hole of doing that, and we had loads of people on the site, like a million people on the site. Was really busy. Really great. Properly in there. And then you sent me that video of Noel Fielding as the moon, but Aldrin stood on 15 00:01:01.920 --> 00:01:03.280 walking on my face. Yeah. 16 00:01:03.280 --> 00:01:08.480 So funny. I like him a lot. I've been to Brighton this week. 17 00:01:09.200 --> 00:01:10.040 I like Brighton. 18 00:01:10.040 --> 00:01:10.720 It's a long way. 19 00:01:10.720 --> 00:01:13.520 Yeah, it's a long way. I tell you what I don't like about Brighton. 20 00:01:13.520 --> 00:01:14.960 Right. What do you not like about getting there? 21 00:01:14.960 --> 00:01:16.599 And the M25 I don't like. 22 00:01:16.599 --> 00:01:20.960 Yeah. I didn't like that. There's a few things. So I've got a few things to talk about. 23 00:01:20.960 --> 00:01:21.280 Yeah. 24 00:01:21.280 --> 00:01:23.760 Right. So firstly, because I went to my old car. 25 00:01:23.760 --> 00:01:24.320 Yeah. 26 00:01:24.480 --> 00:01:28.440 That means I have my compact disc player. Yeah. And I was really excited about choosing my compact. 27 00:01:28.440 --> 00:01:28.960 Oh, yeah. 28 00:01:29.680 --> 00:01:30.080 I think. 29 00:01:30.080 --> 00:01:33.020 What did you go for? 12, this one. Did you put Super Known in? 30 00:01:33.020 --> 00:01:33.620 I haven't got it. 31 00:01:33.620 --> 00:01:34.780 Oh, got it. 32 00:01:34.780 --> 00:01:43.300 No, I haven't got this one. But I took. I took. Oh. But I took a bunch of like. Of like my. My favorite stuff down. I took all the old 90s stuff. 33 00:01:43.300 --> 00:01:43.500 Really. 34 00:01:43.500 --> 00:01:51.140 So there's like, Ride the Lightning, I've Raining Blood. I took down Appetite for destruction. 35 00:01:51.140 --> 00:01:51.540 Yeah. 36 00:01:51.540 --> 00:01:54.860 Bush 16 stone Bon Jovi these days. 37 00:01:54.860 --> 00:01:56.220 Yeah. Great album. That's the best. 38 00:01:56.620 --> 00:02:03.160 Lots of that kind of stuff. Right. And. And so really pleased with myself. It was great. Four and a half hours. 39 00:02:03.160 --> 00:02:03.640 Yeah. 40 00:02:03.720 --> 00:02:16.840 Loved it. Just you swapped my compact disc every now and then and it was having a great time. Got to Brighton, did. Did Brighton things, which was good, actually. Or I'll talk about that quickly as well. While I was in Brighton, I was at a conference and I was doing. Speaking. 41 00:02:17.000 --> 00:02:17.480 Yeah. 42 00:02:17.480 --> 00:02:18.640 At the Brighton Dome. 43 00:02:18.640 --> 00:02:20.120 Yeah. And I made a building. 44 00:02:20.680 --> 00:02:22.040 I made. Have you been in it? 45 00:02:22.040 --> 00:02:25.320 I looked at it from the outside and went, I would love to go in there. 46 00:02:25.400 --> 00:02:27.000 I made a comment while I was there. 47 00:02:27.000 --> 00:02:27.400 Yeah. 48 00:02:28.170 --> 00:02:31.970 It's a bit old. Like, you know, there's like, old buildings. 49 00:02:31.970 --> 00:02:35.130 Like, it's like. It's like It's. Yeah. 50 00:02:35.130 --> 00:02:37.490 And you think this has had loads of money spent on. 51 00:02:37.490 --> 00:02:38.170 Yeah, yeah. 52 00:02:38.250 --> 00:02:42.570 It's not like that. It's just a bit old and it's quite cool. 53 00:02:42.730 --> 00:02:43.130 Yeah. 54 00:02:43.130 --> 00:02:45.490 But it's just. Anyway, I like it. 55 00:02:45.490 --> 00:02:51.130 I like. Because I like it when you've got, like, new buildings and new houses and suddenly there's this, like, Gothic church. 56 00:02:51.130 --> 00:03:01.870 Yeah. It feels like 70s. Yeah. It's not. It's got this, like. I'm sure it goes back longer than that, but I think some of the. I think the decor and, you know, the carpets and things. 57 00:03:01.870 --> 00:03:02.350 Yeah. 58 00:03:03.390 --> 00:03:07.870 And anyway, I was. I made this kind of comment and I was like, you know, it was, 59 00:03:07.870 --> 00:03:09.349 you know, spend some money on it. 60 00:03:09.349 --> 00:03:46.520 Yeah. Could do with the. Could do with the refresh and. And it could do with a spruce up. And one of the sound crew said, I'll have you know, I kept a straight face while he said this to me. In the 1970s, the Eurovision song Contest was held here. And I was properly. I mean, you know, I. I was just properly like, oh, in the 1970s, isn't it banging up? That's great. And. And the other weird thing, I made another gag. So when I got up, I was. I was like. 61 00:03:46.920 --> 00:03:54.940 I was keen. Anyone that ever says, I'll have, you know, like, that's it. It's like, right, this is going to be great. Whatever comes out next is going to be absolutely brilliant. 62 00:03:54.940 --> 00:04:22.029 It was good. And they were. To be fair, they were lovely and looked after me, but it was. They did make me giggle. And the second thing, when I was on for the keynote in the morning, right, So I was on, like, quarter past nine, as people are, like, filtering in and, you know, doing the welcomes and stuff, right? So I go up on stage at, like, quarter nine and just. Just meander around. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's. But it's like a. It's like. It's like a horror. It's like a, you know, like a concert hall, essentially. 63 00:04:22.029 --> 00:04:22.589 Yeah. 64 00:04:22.589 --> 00:04:47.300 So go there. And the guy, they're doing sound checks and stuff and I'm quite quiet, right? So they go out there, the guy's doing the sound check and the sound guy goes, do you want to. How loud you want to be? And I was like, just looking like the voice of God, right? Just. I want to be so loud that they, like, defecating. And he was like, in. The sound goes like, like what? Defecate. I want them to defecate. Anyway, so. So we did that and then. And then. 65 00:04:47.620 --> 00:04:50.660 That reminds me of Silverstone I have to tell you the Silverstone story. 66 00:04:51.300 --> 00:05:30.480 The light, the, the lighting guy came in and he says, do you want the lights on? And they're going, yeah, I do want the lights on. So they put on the state. You know when you're doing like a stage play and they do the stage lights? Yeah, they did that. And as a speaker, I'm looking. Oh, my God. Honestly, I thought my retinas had burst and the guy was going. Too much. Yeah, just a bit, son. Just a bit. Could wind back. You think about. It was. It was weird, a weird place. If it was more like the kind of place these days that you'd get like Jimmy Carr doing something, doing some stand up, than a dude hand waving about technology. Tell me about a man defecating at Silverstone. 67 00:05:30.480 --> 00:05:36.880 Oh, no, I might have told you the story already if I haven't. It's a good one. I like it already if I have. Yeah, let's just pretend. 68 00:05:37.840 --> 00:05:38.560 Let's do it. 69 00:05:38.720 --> 00:05:42.360 So ordinarily, yeah, I have a bit of a blowout weekend. 70 00:05:42.360 --> 00:05:45.840 You do it at Silverstone. You go out with, with Uncle Dave House, don't you? 71 00:05:45.840 --> 00:05:49.800 Yeah. So we go down there and we, we. We play some music. We just play daft covers. Really. 72 00:05:49.800 --> 00:05:50.160 Yeah. 73 00:05:50.160 --> 00:05:54.360 There, Play, Play some music and then have a party. 74 00:05:54.600 --> 00:05:58.520 Was that, that was the video last year where, where, where the pyrotechnics man had gone. 75 00:05:58.760 --> 00:05:59.480 That's the story. 76 00:05:59.560 --> 00:06:01.080 And, and he didn't. He like, just. 77 00:06:01.160 --> 00:06:01.640 It was. 78 00:06:01.640 --> 00:06:03.160 It looked like a war zone. 79 00:06:03.160 --> 00:06:07.600 It was just pyrotechnics like, story. I have told you the story. In fact, I've sent you video evidence of the story. 80 00:06:07.600 --> 00:06:08.840 I saw the video evidence of it. 81 00:06:08.840 --> 00:06:24.700 Yeah. Yeah. So the man who does all the tech, like, chose me of, of the people in the band. You don't talk to me about things like that. So band member to talk to about. So like, all right, I'm your pyro guy. Like, what? What do you want? And I went, all of it. 82 00:06:24.700 --> 00:06:25.620 Yeah, just all of it. 83 00:06:26.820 --> 00:06:27.900 All. All of it. 84 00:06:27.900 --> 00:06:34.100 Constantly what I'm hearing is whatever. Whatever means I don't need to make a decision. Yeah, do that. 85 00:06:35.380 --> 00:06:46.950 So. So. So he did. He did for the whole set. There was streamers, there was nuts like CO2 cannons, whatever they're called. There was like fire. There was like haze everywhere. 86 00:06:46.950 --> 00:06:51.070 Rammstein continent. It was just bogged. It was just stuff going off and 87 00:06:51.070 --> 00:06:57.350 everywhere, like playing Teenage Dirt back. It was wonderful. 88 00:06:57.350 --> 00:06:59.510 I saw the video of it. It's just insane. 89 00:07:00.310 --> 00:07:17.570 The thing is, because, because Dave, who Was doing the singing. He was. Stood next to them, next to the lights and stuff. So he didn't tell him. He didn't know. He didn't know it was happening. So every now and then there's just these. Like, he could just see him step back, like, oh, my God, what's going on here? 90 00:07:20.050 --> 00:08:03.930 That reminds me, you know, when I. I shot the last. The last few dates of the Slayer tour before they retired, or semi retired, I suppose. And anyway, as we were. We. We were going there, what they. They used to kind of gather all the photographers like. Like. Like a herd of cows. They would kind of gather you and they're like, no, you can't go anywhere. And this time they had a guy came to speak to us and he said. He said, there's some aggressive pyrotechnics in this show. He said now, he said, here's what's going to happen. We're gonna. We're gonna drop. The curtain's gonna drop. The band are gonna come out and then there'll be some extremely big flames. You are not to go. 91 00:08:03.930 --> 00:08:04.690 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 92 00:08:04.690 --> 00:08:07.450 In front of. Yeah. That kind of stuff. 93 00:08:07.450 --> 00:08:07.610 Right. 94 00:08:07.610 --> 00:08:14.830 Yeah. And, you know, photographers are like, we're idiots. So the guy. The guy did that. The curtain dropped. Everybody walked out the can. And then. 95 00:08:14.830 --> 00:08:15.550 No eyebrows. 96 00:08:15.550 --> 00:08:25.190 Everybody was just like ducking down. And it. What. It was like. I don't know how to describe it. It was. It was hot. I mean, it was like. Yeah, yeah. If you open the oven door. 97 00:08:25.190 --> 00:08:25.430 Yeah. 98 00:08:25.430 --> 00:08:30.550 And you get like a face of hot. It wasn't like. It wasn't like that. That's like a bit wet. 99 00:08:30.630 --> 00:08:31.470 Oh, yeah. Okay. 100 00:08:31.470 --> 00:08:32.870 This was like a dry. 101 00:08:33.030 --> 00:08:33.790 Wow, right? 102 00:08:33.790 --> 00:08:51.850 Like hot. You. This was like scary. You know what I mean? It felt like pain while it was there. It only lasted for maybe 2, 3 seconds, but enough to. Everybody was kind of turning and facing. And then, you know, then, you know, Slayer started. We all just started shooting, but there you go. That's what it was. Smelled funny as well, did it? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 103 00:08:51.850 --> 00:08:53.490 Like, funny. Like fully fuel. 104 00:08:53.890 --> 00:08:59.290 Yeah. Just smell. I don't know. You know, sometimes when you go on a plane, yeah. You can smell a little bit of like. 105 00:08:59.290 --> 00:08:59.930 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 106 00:08:59.930 --> 00:09:00.929 It's not a bit like that. 107 00:09:00.929 --> 00:09:01.850 All right. Okay. 108 00:09:01.850 --> 00:09:03.090 I don't know what they put in them. 109 00:09:03.410 --> 00:09:04.210 Plain fuel. 110 00:09:04.450 --> 00:09:08.770 Playing field. The man. Do you know, I've got properly off piece now. 111 00:09:09.170 --> 00:09:11.090 That's really, you know, that's really like us. 112 00:09:11.330 --> 00:09:35.150 I know. It is. It is terrible. I was at the. I was at the Birmingham Arena I might be Metallica. I can't remember. It was a big band at Birmingham Marina, and we were shooting from the sound desk, and they'd got a load of pyro, and one of the. The guy that was herding us came up to see us, and you could smell the. The pyro smell. This was like a sound checker. And it smelled a bit weird. 113 00:09:35.150 --> 00:09:35.510 Yeah. 114 00:09:35.510 --> 00:09:50.900 And I asked him, and he went, oh, it's like napalm or something. It's what? And he says, oh, well, they. They. It gives you a better color. So they put, like, orange juice or something. I'm like, you're making. You're totally making this up. 115 00:09:50.900 --> 00:09:51.220 Right? 116 00:09:51.220 --> 00:10:10.580 And then everyone's like, no, no, it's totally normal to put, like, napalm in. I'm sure it isn't. I'm sure napalm designed to, like, stick to people and burn this. I'm pretty sure it's not what they're using. It is. Yeah. All right, whatever. If you know what's in it, right, and tell us. Yeah. Don't tell me it's napalm. 117 00:10:10.580 --> 00:10:10.980 Yeah. 118 00:10:11.540 --> 00:10:21.040 I cannot believe that anybody's putting like. Like, stuff from, like, the Vietnam War. And anyway, that's what it is. This is Rifology. 119 00:10:21.040 --> 00:10:22.440 Hello. Ten minutes in again. 120 00:10:22.520 --> 00:10:24.160 Yeah, I. I'm. I'm Neil. 121 00:10:24.160 --> 00:10:24.760 I'm Chris. 122 00:10:24.760 --> 00:10:29.000 And this is a show about music. Believe it or not. 123 00:10:30.360 --> 00:10:33.480 Super known. We're doing it. Can I just say, before we say anything else. 124 00:10:33.480 --> 00:10:33.960 Yeah. 125 00:10:34.040 --> 00:10:36.040 This is one of the greatest albums ever made. 126 00:10:36.040 --> 00:10:36.880 You love this, don't you? 127 00:10:36.880 --> 00:10:38.040 Oh, my God. 128 00:10:38.120 --> 00:10:43.070 This one for me is. I totally missed. I didn't miss this at the time. 129 00:10:43.070 --> 00:10:44.110 Yeah, yeah. 130 00:10:44.110 --> 00:10:48.870 Like, everybody was just gushing over it, and I was listening to a bunch of other different stuff I was saying, 131 00:10:48.870 --> 00:10:49.710 but I didn't find it. 132 00:10:49.710 --> 00:11:15.330 I would have been like, you know, Exodus and. Yeah. Testament and. Yeah. I was in a different. Totally different area. And then. And then a lot of my friends really liked this, kind of. So, yeah, I had a bunch of friends that would have been like, Alison Chains and Tower Garden and that kind of Pacific Northwest stuff, this Seattle sound. And then I remember this one. Like, friends would be like, you gotta listen to it. You gotta listen to it. Yeah, you've got. You gotta listen to it. 133 00:11:15.330 --> 00:11:16.370 Yeah, you'll love it. 134 00:11:16.610 --> 00:11:29.250 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You like Black Sabbath. You'll love this. And I was just like, you don't tell me what to do. And I just didn't. I was almost like, just. No, I'm. I. I'm not. You know, it's not my. I'm not listening to it. 135 00:11:29.250 --> 00:11:29.570 Yeah. 136 00:11:29.570 --> 00:11:36.020 And it took me forever. And it was actually Chris Cornell's solo stuff. 137 00:11:36.020 --> 00:11:36.420 Yeah. 138 00:11:36.420 --> 00:11:43.700 And I remember listening to that in like an audio. Like a hi Fi sound test, essentially. 139 00:11:43.780 --> 00:11:44.140 Yeah. 140 00:11:44.140 --> 00:12:18.550 And my mate Russ had put that on. I was, oh, God, this sounds phenomenal. And he was like, dude, if you like that, you try. Try this. And then we. We put on tracks of super unknown. And it was at that point I was like, do you know what this is? There's just something like. I don't know, it's like. I've always really loved Black Sabbath and this was. For me, there is. I mean, it doesn't all sound like Black. I mean, the press were really weird about. The press were like, oh, you know, it sounds like, you know, a lot like Black Sabbath. There's a whole weird, bizarre corner of the Internet that thinks this is a Black Sabbath album. 141 00:12:18.550 --> 00:12:19.390 Right. Okay. 142 00:12:20.030 --> 00:12:20.670 Bizarrely. 143 00:12:20.670 --> 00:12:21.070 Yeah. 144 00:12:21.150 --> 00:12:33.230 They wrote it and, like, sound God and discovered it and just copied him. And there is a. There is a very, very Black Sabbathy vibe with it. It is kind of. 145 00:12:34.590 --> 00:12:36.470 Yeah. It's the sort of doomy, sludgy bits. 146 00:12:36.470 --> 00:12:51.290 It's. For me, it's like. There's bits on here that are just so slow and. But like. Like, I was like. Like a concrete block hitting you. It's just. It's just phenomenal. 147 00:12:51.610 --> 00:12:59.770 The thing is, for me, when I remember hearing it and going, oh. I didn't really have the palette for it because I was listening to it at the same time. I was listening to very, very ordinary things. 148 00:12:59.930 --> 00:13:00.290 Right. 149 00:13:00.290 --> 00:13:02.050 So, like, your Green Day, your Offspring. 150 00:13:02.050 --> 00:13:04.650 Yeah. Was the same year, wasn't it? 151 00:13:04.650 --> 00:13:07.050 Yeah, yeah. So I was sort of into all that. 152 00:13:07.050 --> 00:13:08.010 Yeah, of course. 153 00:13:10.250 --> 00:13:13.610 So this, like, with this weird time signatures with its, you know, really low 154 00:13:13.930 --> 00:13:15.370 tuning and it's weird. 155 00:13:15.370 --> 00:13:17.650 It's really. There's some really odd stuff you wouldn't 156 00:13:17.650 --> 00:13:24.490 expect from it, like. Like a. A grunt. A band that was lumped in with grunge. 157 00:13:24.650 --> 00:13:25.130 Yeah. 158 00:13:25.450 --> 00:13:35.930 I don't know that. I just still doesn't sound like a grunge band to me. This doesn't. I love the fact. I love the fact that they've won a Best metal Grammy they were nominated for. But what is. This is not. 159 00:13:36.010 --> 00:13:43.070 But they can't. I mean, they're lumped into alt metal, grunge, whatever. They're lumped into a lot of stuff. 160 00:13:43.070 --> 00:13:43.590 Yeah. 161 00:13:43.670 --> 00:13:45.550 But you go, it's not. It's just wrong. 162 00:13:45.550 --> 00:13:46.430 None of those things. 163 00:13:46.430 --> 00:13:47.670 It's great rock music. 164 00:13:47.830 --> 00:13:50.750 It's really like that, you say. Sludgy, dark. 165 00:13:50.750 --> 00:13:51.110 Yeah. 166 00:13:51.110 --> 00:13:58.590 Old rock, isn't it? Yeah. I mean, if we think back to. We did Ugly Kid Joe last week. That's unplaceable. 167 00:13:58.590 --> 00:13:58.990 Yeah. 168 00:13:58.990 --> 00:14:29.240 That didn't fit anywhere. And this, I mean, this doesn't either. But I mean, it's again, a thing I hadn't really realized is just how long they've been together. 10 years. When this got released, they got a fairly significant back catalog. By this point they'd been around. They were, they were around before Sub Pop. They were, they were, they were, they were like, they, they created the Seattle scene almost, right? They were, they were around before it. They were like the Elders almost. 169 00:14:29.240 --> 00:14:30.120 Yes. Yeah. 170 00:14:30.120 --> 00:15:35.930 And then, and then when this record came through, you had Nirvana just on the edge of their, you know. Well, I mean, they were, they were out touring at this point vaguely. I mean, we talked about that when we did In Utro. Their band were like, you know, not really functioning at this point. And then, and then we had Kurt Cobain's death later in the, in the year. But. Yeah, which all overshadowed this record, I think. You know, I think although this did really well. I think it's like 23 million, something like that. It's a big, it was a big selling record, but I still think it was overshadowed a little. Yeah, it was, it, it wasn't. I mean, ultimately they were the elder band. Yeah, they've been around 10, 10 years. For longer. I think actually this, for me, listening objectively now, I think this stacks up better than the Nirvana record, you know, musically, I think. Yeah, more interesting. I think there's more layers to it. I think it's. I don't know, I, I. And actually I think it's probably stood the test of time a little better. Certainly. The Nevermind. I think maybe In Utros. 171 00:15:36.470 --> 00:15:36.670 Yeah. 172 00:15:36.670 --> 00:15:38.830 You know, more interesting. 173 00:15:38.830 --> 00:15:48.870 But, you know, it feels more. This is going to sound quite strange, I think, but it feels more east coast than it perhaps. 174 00:15:49.110 --> 00:15:49.870 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 175 00:15:49.870 --> 00:16:11.540 Because obviously, like there was, There was the west coast thing going on. There was the Seattle thing going on. Yeah, but, but this feels more like it fits around the sort of New York, New Jersey world, like with, with, with what they were doing on the Chicago or, you know, that, those sort of, those sort of things. It's more, I think it's more akin, yeah. To the Pumpkins and that stuff than it is to, you know, the kind of. 176 00:16:11.540 --> 00:16:13.460 That's where they looked. Seattle. 177 00:16:13.460 --> 00:16:14.660 Yeah. Yeah, yeah. 178 00:16:14.660 --> 00:16:18.060 But then the, the sound. But again, It's. It's an album that. 179 00:16:18.060 --> 00:16:19.260 Because it's trippier. That's. 180 00:16:19.260 --> 00:16:20.339 I think that's what I'm trying to get at. 181 00:16:20.339 --> 00:16:21.940 It's. It's a little bit more psychedelic. 182 00:16:22.260 --> 00:16:23.540 Not all of it is a bit. 183 00:16:23.540 --> 00:16:23.940 No. 184 00:16:25.300 --> 00:16:32.980 Bonkers and bits of froggy. Yeah, yeah. It's. It's like. I was just. I'm just gonna get the. The track list up. Right. Because. 185 00:16:33.640 --> 00:16:39.000 Oh. And just to say it's a proper album. It's like over an hour. There's 15 songs on here. Whatever. 186 00:16:40.040 --> 00:16:43.240 Yeah, it's hard. It's hard work. This is a long record for me, too. 187 00:16:43.240 --> 00:16:47.880 This is what. This is. A proper record is what. You know, if you put it out. Because they did the vinyl. Because we're looking. 188 00:16:48.040 --> 00:16:48.400 Yeah. 189 00:16:48.400 --> 00:16:49.880 And the vinyls now are double. 190 00:16:49.880 --> 00:16:50.280 Yeah. 191 00:16:50.280 --> 00:16:55.600 Like. Like four sides. But I think that's what an album should be. It's like. If it's any less than that, it's not an album. 192 00:16:55.600 --> 00:17:13.900 Do you know why I don't like doubles? I don't like having to change it over. Like, you get like three songs and I've got something like. I've just. Just sat down. Yeah. Change it over again. I like to have about five. Yeah, four or five. But like three or two. Even. Like some of the Pink Floyd doubles. 193 00:17:13.900 --> 00:17:14.260 Yeah. 194 00:17:14.260 --> 00:17:18.900 You had two songs. I mean. Okay. They're like six minutes of songs. You get like 12 minutes to sit down. 195 00:17:18.900 --> 00:17:21.980 Yeah. Oh, yeah. And all this or all the song lengths are proper as well. 196 00:17:22.140 --> 00:17:27.900 Well, I. I'm. I'm gonna pick you up a little bit on that because there are. There are quite. There are interludes. Right. There's kickstand. 197 00:17:28.060 --> 00:17:28.500 Yeah. 198 00:17:28.500 --> 00:17:29.260 And there's half. 199 00:17:29.260 --> 00:17:31.980 Yeah. And they're a couple of minutes. They're like two or three. 200 00:17:32.910 --> 00:17:37.630 I think it. I think they agonized over the flow of this. 201 00:17:37.790 --> 00:17:38.190 Yeah. 202 00:17:38.190 --> 00:18:04.450 If you. You. There are bits in there where you. There are. There are like, what feel almost like odd bits of music that just feel to me like they are taking you on a journey from the energy of one track to the energy of the next. Right. So they're kind of almost like bridges between the tracks. And I think. I don't know. You don't get that so much these days. 203 00:18:04.450 --> 00:18:04.850 No. 204 00:18:04.850 --> 00:18:23.370 Do you know what I mean? Everything's done to click. Everything. Standard timing. Not everything, but. You know. And it. This isn't. This is like odd timing signatures. There's like, different. Like. Some of it's drop C, some it's drop D. There's like some of. It's standard. It's a bit of a. Like a mishmash. 205 00:18:23.370 --> 00:18:24.130 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 206 00:18:24.130 --> 00:18:52.370 But it flows. It's got this, like. You're never bored. It's never, like. You don't really get, like, too much of the same stuff. And then it's gone off and it's done something else or, you know, it's like, on really slow and really dark, you know, and then. And then it's kind of just like. Like it's. So you've got that. And then, you know, then. Then you kind of, like, back up into something quicker or almost like punky almost in places. 207 00:18:52.530 --> 00:18:52.930 And then. 208 00:18:52.930 --> 00:18:53.970 And then you've got, like, the. 209 00:18:55.070 --> 00:18:59.070 Which harkens back to the earlier kind of sound. Because the early sound kind of stuff was really punky. 210 00:18:59.070 --> 00:19:46.790 It was. But then you got, like, Fourth of July, which is, like, just bonkers slow and. Yeah, I mean, that. That does sound very Black Sabbathy. Yeah. And then it goes into half, which is, like, bizarre. It's not got Chris Cornell's vocals on it. And. And then. But then that really is taking you into, like, suicide. Right. And it's just. I don't know that it's so carefully thought through. I think this. And the order of the. The. The album is absolute. Like you said, it's an album. It's. It's. It's something that. I mean, not quite in the same way the Dark side of the Moon is because of the. The story arc that goes with it, but I think in the way it flows together, you know, song after song and. And the experience of each one. 211 00:19:47.980 --> 00:20:07.420 In a lot of ways, we were sort of the band that was difficult to swallow or define from the Seattle. Supposed. Seattle scene. I don't have put that much importance into other people's opinions, really. 212 00:20:09.580 --> 00:20:20.670 I couldn't think of good reason to play it. Could you? No. We want to do Soundgarden shows, not festival things. I don't think we're that easy to figure out. 213 00:20:20.670 --> 00:20:23.630 I don't think you can take one look at us or listen to one 214 00:20:23.630 --> 00:20:33.470 song and kind of get what we're about. We've never painted ourselves in a corner stylistically, so, you know, I would. I'd start to think maybe people would 215 00:20:33.470 --> 00:20:36.630 stop being surprised when we do something, 216 00:20:36.790 --> 00:20:42.190 you know, that we didn't do on the last record. You know, you got to kind of figure that's gonna happen. It's something to be experienced, end to end. 217 00:20:42.350 --> 00:20:43.430 It really is. Yeah. 218 00:20:43.430 --> 00:20:47.790 It's not something that you. You. Well, I don't know. I suppose you can just dip into. I mean, the singles are massive. 219 00:20:48.030 --> 00:21:36.960 I mean, that was. That was my. My initial exploration of the album came through just dipping into the singles. So. So, you know, I. I didn't really get into the deep cuts originally. Like, I loved Black Hole Sun, I loved Super Unknown. I loved, you know, Spoon Man. And they were the songs that initially. They're the easy ones, you know, like, with the stuff I was listening to at the time, they're the easier ones to understand because they're in straight time signatures. Although Black Hole Sun's got some quite complex sort of progressions in the chords. It's linear and it makes sense. Whereas some of the other songs, they're jumping around tonality with keys, jumping around with time signatures. But. But it was going back into it later where I. You know, if I listen to it now, I'll probably skip Black Hole Sun. 220 00:21:37.610 --> 00:21:38.290 Because you've heard it. 221 00:21:38.290 --> 00:21:45.050 Because I've heard it so many times and any. But. But then saying that in. In the context of the rest of the album. 222 00:21:45.210 --> 00:21:45.690 Yeah. 223 00:21:45.930 --> 00:21:48.130 Black Hole sun feels differently when you listen to it. 224 00:21:48.130 --> 00:21:49.250 Yeah, it does. 225 00:21:49.250 --> 00:21:54.650 It doesn't feel like this kind of big, you know, huge monster song. It feels like it's a part of the story. 226 00:21:54.810 --> 00:22:00.570 I mean, it's worth talking about the singles and those. Those kind of big. Big hooks in this. Because there are five. 227 00:22:00.970 --> 00:22:01.370 Yeah. 228 00:22:01.370 --> 00:22:02.930 I think there's probably six or seven. 229 00:22:02.930 --> 00:22:03.250 Yeah. 230 00:22:03.250 --> 00:22:07.070 It could have been rough off this record, which is bizarre. 231 00:22:07.070 --> 00:22:08.790 Which ones did they put out then? So there's. 232 00:22:08.790 --> 00:22:18.750 So Spoon man was the first single. It's worth talking about this. The Spoon man was the first single. It came out three weeks before the album and it reached number three on the mainstream. 233 00:22:18.830 --> 00:22:20.270 And it's got a spoon solo. 234 00:22:22.510 --> 00:22:39.290 It's the beginning. The video. Yeah, the video at the beginning with the spoons. It's like. Yeah, this is. This is. I mean, you know, you're in the 90s when that stuff's going on. You can imagine that today, can't you? Like some A R guy and like, you know, some YouTuber saying, you know what? I'm gonna, like, play the spoons at the beginning. You know what? 235 00:22:39.450 --> 00:22:40.010 Yeah. 236 00:22:41.130 --> 00:22:47.370 Then you had the Day I Tried to Live, which was in May. May 94. 237 00:22:48.250 --> 00:22:49.330 It's a great song ever. 238 00:22:49.330 --> 00:23:19.040 That peaked at 25. Then you have Black Hole Sun. That was number one. Yeah, but they were. These were all in media. It was number 12 in the UK. Yeah. I mean, but it was pretty immediate. It wasn't you. We talked about albums in the past we did a few albums recently actually on the show where the albums were released and nobody noticed and it took like they did the first two or three and then. And then there would be like one of the big hit. 239 00:23:19.040 --> 00:23:19.560 Yeah, yeah. 240 00:23:19.560 --> 00:23:24.600 Singles came through and then that kind of lifted the rest of the record. Yeah, this was, this was absolutely immediate. 241 00:23:24.600 --> 00:23:25.080 Yeah. 242 00:23:25.080 --> 00:23:30.920 And then after that there was a single called My Wave that was at the end of nine. 243 00:23:31.240 --> 00:23:33.800 Strange choice of a single it, isn't it? Yeah. 244 00:23:34.200 --> 00:23:56.440 That was top 15. It was number 40 in the UK. Yeah. Which was really. That's again a wacky video of like live. Live. I'm gonna, I'm gonna go off piece in a second, so just prepare. That went a little. So that was like live footage of the band playing and then. And then like surfing off the California coast. 245 00:23:56.440 --> 00:23:56.880 Yeah. 246 00:23:57.440 --> 00:24:15.640 And the reason I'm going to go off piece today is because I have a whoop which tells me whether I've slept well or not, whether I should. Whether I should go running or lifting weights or whether I should chill out for the day. And I washed and cleaned my car today and it congratulated me on my surfing. 247 00:24:18.840 --> 00:24:19.640 That's great. 248 00:24:20.840 --> 00:24:41.300 It was just mad. I. I mean just to be clear, I was not surfing. I just, I just washed the car and it. It's convinced that I was surfing. I don't know. I don't know what the similarity is between the two, but amused me a little so. And then finally There was a fifth single Fell on Black Days that was released in 95. 249 00:24:41.540 --> 00:24:42.660 Yeah. It's a great song. 250 00:24:42.660 --> 00:24:51.180 Four on mainstream rock. The video was directed by Jake Scott. Oh, who is the son of Ridley Scott. 251 00:24:51.180 --> 00:24:51.580 Yes. 252 00:24:51.580 --> 00:25:08.240 Who directed the best franchise of anything on earth ever. And that's Aliens. I just, I was really scared they were going to ruin that with the Aliens TV series. But it's not. I quite like it. It's quite d dark and it's like. It's not dark enough yet for me. It's still a little bit. 253 00:25:08.480 --> 00:25:08.840 Yeah. 254 00:25:08.840 --> 00:25:09.240 Disney. 255 00:25:09.240 --> 00:25:10.960 I don't think I caught. I think I got bored. 256 00:25:10.960 --> 00:25:15.120 Did you? It's still a little bit Disney esque and that one that needs to get. That needs to get like. 257 00:25:15.360 --> 00:25:15.720 Yeah. 258 00:25:15.720 --> 00:25:28.680 I don't know. Did you. With if it's got aliens in. If it's Aliens, I. I want to be waking up at 3 o' clock in the morning in cold sweats, scared to death three days after I watched it. Right. I don't want to be like in this. 259 00:25:28.680 --> 00:25:30.960 Well, it's the original Darth Vader effect, isn't it? 260 00:25:30.960 --> 00:25:31.760 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 261 00:25:31.760 --> 00:25:37.180 You know, he was sanitized a bit as well. If that guy comes in. Into the room. 262 00:25:37.180 --> 00:25:37.580 Yeah. 263 00:25:37.580 --> 00:25:38.660 And that music starts. 264 00:25:38.660 --> 00:25:39.060 Yeah, yeah. 265 00:25:39.060 --> 00:25:40.500 You're cowering behind the sofa. 266 00:25:40.500 --> 00:25:41.060 Yeah, yeah. 267 00:25:41.060 --> 00:25:42.700 And that's what. And that's what that should feel like. 268 00:25:42.700 --> 00:25:46.380 Should be. Yeah. And so I. I think I. I like the story for the aliens. 269 00:25:46.380 --> 00:25:46.860 Yeah. 270 00:25:46.860 --> 00:25:59.100 The TV show. And I liked, like. I like the look of it that they went for and I liked the, like the aesthetic and I. I like that. And I kind of like the storyline. But it didn't. I. I wasn't scared. 271 00:25:59.180 --> 00:25:59.580 No. 272 00:25:59.820 --> 00:26:08.730 And I should be. I should be absolutely there. There was no baddie, if that makes. Well, there was a baddie, but it was like too Disney ish. It was a bit like comical. 273 00:26:08.730 --> 00:26:09.370 Yeah, sure. 274 00:26:09.370 --> 00:26:33.290 To me. And I like. I don't know. Baddies, genuinely. Baddies should. Look, when you watch that and you go to bed at night, you should be waking up and you and your tiny mortal brain should be like absolutely crapping itself. Yeah. Anyway, yeah, it was done by. It was done by Jake Scott and it was shot in black and white and it was all done in slow motion. Yeah, it's super cool. 275 00:26:33.290 --> 00:26:33.690 Yeah. 276 00:26:34.950 --> 00:26:38.550 But, yeah, it was a very, very cool stuff. I thought. Lots of cool videos from them. 277 00:26:38.550 --> 00:26:40.870 I. I thought they're trying to live is. 278 00:26:41.910 --> 00:26:47.910 You said that was the best song that's ever been made earlier ever. I like that. Until next week. 279 00:26:48.550 --> 00:27:00.510 No, it is, though. No, because. Because I used. Because I used to love singing and playing Black Hole Sun. Yeah, right. It was one of. It was one that. I thought you've got the voice for it, though. 280 00:27:00.510 --> 00:27:05.030 You've got. Your voice is a bit corner. You've got that. You've got that like Pacific Northwest. 281 00:27:05.030 --> 00:27:05.430 Yeah. 282 00:27:06.850 --> 00:27:07.610 When you sing, I think. 283 00:27:07.610 --> 00:27:10.650 Yeah. And I liked it. I like. I like learning that song. 284 00:27:10.650 --> 00:27:10.970 Yeah. 285 00:27:10.970 --> 00:27:23.090 And see, because it was always one that felt would be out of reach. It was one that was like that. He's a bit good. I'm not sure where I can do it. He is a bit good learning Jeff Bulkley and stuff. It's a bit. Yeah, yeah. I'm not quite. I'm all right, but I'm not. Not quite that. 286 00:27:23.970 --> 00:27:24.290 But. 287 00:27:24.290 --> 00:27:32.620 Yeah, but learning it and singing it. I've had a good time doing that, but now I want to learn that one because I think. I think it's a better song. Yeah, I think. I think. 288 00:27:32.780 --> 00:27:33.100 Yeah. 289 00:27:33.100 --> 00:27:40.300 Yeah. You know, and that's not saying Black Ops is a bad song. It's One of the greatest ones ever written. But that one's even better. 290 00:27:40.540 --> 00:27:41.140 I think it's. 291 00:27:41.140 --> 00:27:43.580 That thing is absolutely outstanding. 292 00:27:57.590 --> 00:28:11.990 I hope to save the sine of the d Accept A voice was in my head they said the seize the 293 00:28:11.990 --> 00:28:12.310 day 294 00:28:14.390 --> 00:28:25.350 Pull the trigger Drop the blade and watch the rolling hills Then I 295 00:28:25.350 --> 00:28:48.610 tried to live a spare time Was a mega STR. Yeah 296 00:28:51.250 --> 00:28:55.730 say it one more time One 297 00:28:55.730 --> 00:29:00.050 more time My maker One more time. 298 00:29:20.030 --> 00:29:58.200 Never seem to live up to the ones inside your head. The lives we make Never seem to ever again. Try to live. With all the other. Say it one more time 299 00:30:00.900 --> 00:30:05.380 One more time One more time. 300 00:30:12.900 --> 00:30:13.700 I try. 301 00:30:26.660 --> 00:30:26.900 Sa. 302 00:30:58.560 --> 00:30:58.800 World. 303 00:31:30.540 --> 00:31:34.940 One more time One more time 304 00:31:37.500 --> 00:31:38.380 One more time. 305 00:31:54.060 --> 00:31:55.180 Just like you. 306 00:32:00.860 --> 00:32:40.070 Just like you. It was a confusing time, I think, in, like, commercial music and. And we actually had a lot to do with helping create that confusion. But it was. It was a surprise, I think, that. 307 00:32:40.070 --> 00:32:41.550 That it was as big as it was. 308 00:32:41.950 --> 00:32:43.710 It was actually on the heels of 309 00:32:44.590 --> 00:32:51.310 Nirvana and Pearl Jam having records that were even bigger. So in a sense, it wasn't like. 310 00:32:51.310 --> 00:33:20.450 Like, we knew it was possible. Right. But still, for Soundgarden and a world that even then, you know, at radio and MTV was kind of hit song driven. And we didn't necessarily have those. And, you know, Black Hole sun, for example, was a surprise when I think about it, lyrically especially that that became a hit song. So it was. I think we were fortunate in that we made this. 311 00:33:20.520 --> 00:33:23.200 This album that was kind of redefining 312 00:33:23.200 --> 00:33:44.880 the band and pushing the boundaries right at the time when people were. Were. We had everyone's attention. Black Hole sun is. Is quite immediate. And I think it crossed boundaries, didn't it, that Black Hole Sun's one of those songs that, like, that didn't matter whether you were into, like, you know, Snoop Dogg or whatever. That was a song that you would have listened to and turned up in the car kind of thing. 313 00:33:44.880 --> 00:33:50.290 Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a bit on the interview where they talk about the. In the intro to Black Hole Sun. 314 00:33:50.290 --> 00:33:50.650 Yeah. 315 00:33:50.650 --> 00:33:52.210 Because none of them could play slide. 316 00:33:52.210 --> 00:33:52.570 Yeah. 317 00:33:52.570 --> 00:33:57.090 I took all the strings off so they didn't get the tone of the other strings, like, chiming through. 318 00:33:57.090 --> 00:33:58.410 Also the total cheating. 319 00:33:58.570 --> 00:34:02.970 Yeah, Absolutely cheated to get that. That or that. That stuff at the start. 320 00:34:03.130 --> 00:34:26.970 It'd all be done with, I don't know, probably done in. In Pro Tools today. Just. Just mangle it. Do you know what? While we're talking about that, actually, you know, the album cover, it. It was shot on analog film, right. So it was analog. Like, it was literally four 35 millimeter film camera and then it was digitized and then mangled from there. 321 00:34:27.210 --> 00:34:27.930 Right, right. 322 00:34:27.930 --> 00:34:37.410 Which is weird for the like for that period of time that would. That would have been. That would have been a bit, I think, a little bit weird. And the other thing I want to talk about actually. 323 00:34:37.410 --> 00:34:38.250 Well, what, what. 324 00:34:38.250 --> 00:34:55.500 While we're talking about the singles and all the bits and pieces. When this was released, the. The number one spot in the charts was Pink Floyd. And this is. This is the album that knocked them off the top spot. 325 00:34:55.660 --> 00:34:56.060 Really. 326 00:34:56.140 --> 00:34:57.459 And I think it. I don't know. This. 327 00:34:57.459 --> 00:34:59.180 What would that have been then? Was that division belt? 328 00:34:59.180 --> 00:35:00.020 Yeah, division belt. 329 00:35:00.020 --> 00:35:00.260 Yeah. 330 00:35:00.260 --> 00:35:11.200 And then. But the bit that I think is interesting about it is it's almost. That's for me this, that switch, I suppose, you know, in, in like 92 in the. Nevermind. 331 00:35:11.600 --> 00:35:12.200 Yeah. Yeah. 332 00:35:12.200 --> 00:35:13.520 But by the time we got here. 333 00:35:13.680 --> 00:35:14.160 Yeah. 334 00:35:14.560 --> 00:35:18.760 I think like the, the. The old guard, if you like. 335 00:35:18.760 --> 00:35:19.200 Yeah. 336 00:35:19.920 --> 00:35:23.120 Is kind. It's almost. It's like handing over this. 337 00:35:23.120 --> 00:35:23.560 Yeah, yeah. 338 00:35:23.560 --> 00:35:42.250 You know, the baton to the, the no band. And I think it was this era for me where it started to. I think it started to happen where you know, those bands, you know, we had some huge acts that were, you know, being replaced by bands like Soundgarden and you know, know all of the stuff that was kind of happening around. 339 00:35:42.330 --> 00:35:42.810 Yeah. 340 00:35:42.810 --> 00:36:02.570 Around that time. So. Yeah, I think it's almost. I don't know, I thought it was interesting that it. It knocked it off. I mean to knock Pink Floyd off the charts is. Is. Is some going. But. Yeah, yeah, it's that point, isn't it, where you know, mid. Mid. Mid 90s onwards, like pink Floyd have now there it's passage like. I think it's come back into fashion again. 341 00:36:02.570 --> 00:36:04.770 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That was, that. That was. 342 00:36:04.770 --> 00:36:05.690 That was 30. 343 00:36:05.770 --> 00:36:06.210 Yeah. 344 00:36:06.210 --> 00:36:07.090 30 years ago. 345 00:36:07.090 --> 00:36:07.880 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 346 00:36:08.120 --> 00:36:16.920 And 30 years ago it wasn't. I think. I think. You know, I mean, I remember people talking about Pink Floyd in the mid-90s and you just like what? Whatever. Yeah, you know. 347 00:36:18.280 --> 00:36:20.480 Yeah, that's that old band. That's the band my dad likes. 348 00:36:20.480 --> 00:36:35.120 Yeah, yeah. Don't. Don't care. There were a few bands I think that got away like Iron Maiden seemed to like. They kind of always kind of maintained an amount of. I don't know, love, I guess from the, the community. But. But yeah, it's. It's. This is definitely like a period of change where. 349 00:36:35.120 --> 00:36:37.240 Yeah. You know, something else was coming through. 350 00:36:37.400 --> 00:36:38.680 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 351 00:36:39.460 --> 00:36:41.620 Hearing that, thinking I can't Play that. 352 00:36:41.940 --> 00:36:43.180 That's too delicate. 353 00:36:43.180 --> 00:36:45.460 It's like the. It's the right hand of the piano. 354 00:36:45.460 --> 00:36:46.260 It's like, you know, 355 00:36:48.500 --> 00:36:49.100 it was too 356 00:36:49.100 --> 00:37:03.260 tinkly, and I was like. And Chris played. Played it apart on this demo. So I'm learning it and I'm like, I do. I love arpeggios. And all our early stuff is writing arpeggios. And these are like little arpeggio triplets. 357 00:37:03.260 --> 00:37:05.740 And I'm like, I can't do it like this. 358 00:37:05.740 --> 00:37:08.070 With the Leslie and really clean sound. 359 00:37:08.140 --> 00:37:08.540 Sound. 360 00:37:08.540 --> 00:37:11.900 It was too. Just too delicate, you know, I'm gonna break this. 361 00:37:12.380 --> 00:37:14.460 I can't do this. And I. I. 362 00:37:14.460 --> 00:37:20.220 To this day, I can't remember. According to Adam Casper. I'm on that. I'm on the intro of the tracking. 363 00:37:21.260 --> 00:37:22.340 But I think Chris. 364 00:37:22.340 --> 00:37:26.340 I think I said, why don't you play this? And I'll play the distorted guitar and 365 00:37:26.340 --> 00:37:27.100 come in on the. 366 00:37:27.500 --> 00:37:31.340 On the verses so I can hear me on the. On the. 367 00:37:31.500 --> 00:37:39.110 On the choruses and the bridges and stuff. Because I changed a few things that Chris had written. I. I moved some of the chords 368 00:37:39.110 --> 00:37:40.190 around to make them sound a little 369 00:37:40.190 --> 00:37:41.550 bit more sunset, like. 370 00:37:42.190 --> 00:37:43.950 And then the weird solo and. 371 00:37:44.030 --> 00:37:45.630 And. And part of. 372 00:37:45.630 --> 00:37:48.670 Yeah, and then there's the second solo, but it's not really a solo. 373 00:37:48.670 --> 00:37:57.390 It's me sort of accenting the. The vocals. So I know this for a fact, though. That slide at the beginning, that's Chris. 374 00:37:57.390 --> 00:37:59.710 Neither of us knew how to play slide. And. 375 00:38:00.030 --> 00:38:00.430 And 376 00:38:02.380 --> 00:38:03.420 I was able to mute the 377 00:38:03.420 --> 00:38:06.020 strings other than the ones that I'm sliding on. I could just. 378 00:38:06.020 --> 00:38:07.500 I can mute them with my right hand. 379 00:38:07.900 --> 00:38:10.460 Chris couldn't do either. So he took all the strings off 380 00:38:10.460 --> 00:38:12.500 except for the one string. So it's just. 381 00:38:12.500 --> 00:38:18.420 This is one string. And he just went. Because that's one of the difficulties of 382 00:38:18.420 --> 00:38:21.740 playing slide is to make sure that you're not sounding the whole damn thing. 383 00:38:22.140 --> 00:38:27.310 I was able to do that with my right hand and not the left. And so I know that. 384 00:38:27.310 --> 00:38:28.430 I remember that. 385 00:38:28.430 --> 00:38:30.710 I remember watching him would just take 386 00:38:30.790 --> 00:38:33.590 one string on the guitar and just play that. 387 00:38:33.830 --> 00:38:36.470 Almost exact same response for. 388 00:38:36.470 --> 00:38:46.390 For that we had with Smells Like Teen Spirit. We played that and Matt just. Matt heard it and he said, oh, yeah, that. That's. That's a hit. 389 00:38:46.470 --> 00:38:49.910 And it was obvious to everyone that this. 390 00:38:50.070 --> 00:38:51.270 This thing that's. 391 00:38:51.830 --> 00:38:52.410 It was obvious. 392 00:38:52.480 --> 00:38:53.040 Obvious to me. 393 00:38:53.040 --> 00:38:59.440 And still there's that resistance. It's like loud guitars or distortion craziness, you know? 394 00:38:59.440 --> 00:39:34.010 And you hear that in my eyes in disguises no one knows. Boiling Heat, summer stench neath the black the sky looks dead Call my name through the cream and I'll hear you 395 00:39:34.170 --> 00:39:35.610 scream again 396 00:39:39.050 --> 00:41:03.320 Black hole sun, won't you come? Wash away the rain Black all the sun won't you come? Won't you come? Won't you come? Stood a rain cold and damp still the warm winds I had friends are gone for honest men Sometimes try to l the snakes in my shoes Walking sleep in my youth I pray to keep Heaven send hell away no one seems like you anymore oh, black hole sun, won't you come? Wash away the rain like all the sun won't you come? Won't you come home? Black holy sun, won't you come and wash away? 397 00:41:03.750 --> 00:41:09.190 See the rain like all sun won't you come? 398 00:41:10.310 --> 00:41:11.430 Won't you come? 399 00:41:17.030 --> 00:41:18.230 Won't you come? 400 00:41:23.590 --> 00:41:24.950 Won't you come? 401 00:41:30.550 --> 00:41:44.130 Won't you come? Sam, 402 00:42:11.630 --> 00:45:30.770 Hang my head, drown my fear Till you all just disappear Black old sun, won't you come? Wash away the rain Like a sun, won't you come? Won't you turn around? Black on the sun, won't you come Wash away the rain? Black old sun, won't you come? Won't you come? Won't you come? Won't you come? Won't you come? Won't you come? Ultimately, that's great. Ultimately, this record is for you. This has to be for you. This has to be your expression. You can't think of what someone else you don't know is going to want. Forget that they're listening to you. You know, the tail does not wag the dog. Here. You have to be the person who creates what people want to listen to. You already have a bill. You already have an audience. Give them something that you do that comes from you. And somehow I made sense of it to him and I said, what do you like? And he said, the Beatles and Cream. I just said to him, okay, we'll write a song that sounds like the Beatles and Cream. So. So three weeks later, I get this demo with four songs on it. The first one is Fell on Black Days. From the first moment I heard, I was like, oh, yeah, this is so good. It didn't occur to me for the longest time that a lot of what Chris wrote were essentially blues songs. It never really occurred to me. But he was able to transpose it into a whole different thing that was so personal and so heavy him that you didn't really think of where it might have originated. Right. There are two other songs on the. On. On the demo, one of which was Jerry Cantrell. Was playing like a did a lead. It sounded great. It was kind of hendrixy, wasn't appropriate, but it was great. The third song was called Tighter, and Tighter wound up on their next record. I really wanted to do it on Super Unknown, but fine. The last song, I started playing it from the very first note. 403 00:45:31.000 --> 00:45:31.320 Notes. 404 00:45:31.560 --> 00:46:48.120 I was like, what the fuck is this? And I kept listening to it. And as a music producer, my job, I feel, is to listen not for the things that are good, but for the things that aren't working. So from that vantage point, you can imagine what kind of state of stress I was in at that point, because I'm just waiting for the other shooter to drop and for this song to go way off the rails. Because so far, what I'm hearing is one of the best songs I've ever heard in my life. Right, Right. So this thing, it's going on and on, you know, into the verse, it's like, this is immaculate. He's gonna fuck the chorus so bad, though. He's gonna destroy it. I know it. I just have to prepare myself for this. He hits the chorus and it's beautiful. And I'm like. I'm getting, like, these sensations in my body I've never felt before. Like. Like, you know, it's taking me to all these, like, crazy places. I feel like I'm hallucinating. And all of a sudden, I've listened to this song for 15 times in a row, and I'm like. I call him up. Like, I just. I kept calling all his numbers until finally I reach him. He's like, yeah. And I'm like, you're a fucking genius. He's like, really? 405 00:46:48.120 --> 00:46:48.480 Why? 406 00:46:49.440 --> 00:46:52.880 I like that song? He's like, what song? Like Black Hole sun. 407 00:46:53.040 --> 00:47:16.050 The thing. I remember watching the Bad Motor Finger. Yeah, it was like a concert film video thing. It was on. It was a video. And I remember watching that go. Because it was always. Soundgarden was always about, like, always Chris Cornell. Because it's his voice and his. Yeah, maybe his songs and his writing and all that. And it wasn't until I watched the video that I went, oh, no, they're a band. 408 00:47:16.530 --> 00:47:17.090 Yeah. 409 00:47:17.170 --> 00:47:47.440 It's not Chris Cornell and his mates who he plays music with. It's like, no, this is a proper thing. Thing. Sa. 410 00:49:27.620 --> 00:49:31.380 When Soundgarden formed, I didn't play instruments 411 00:49:31.380 --> 00:49:32.300 other than the drums. 412 00:49:32.300 --> 00:49:49.630 I was the original drummer. And it was this kind of post punk indie world of anything goes, which. Which meant to me, well, I can pick up a guitar, even though I don't know how to play it, and anything that comes out of it is valid. 413 00:49:49.710 --> 00:49:50.270 So my. 414 00:49:50.670 --> 00:50:04.510 I never actually learned to play. I just sort of picked it up to contribute to songwriting. And the atmosphere in the band was very supportive of stuff that I wrote right away. Away, you know, while still kind of being a chimpanzee on the guitar. 415 00:50:04.510 --> 00:50:05.430 Didn't know what I was doing. 416 00:50:06.470 --> 00:50:08.550 And. And that's sort of where it came from. 417 00:50:09.750 --> 00:50:13.270 So. So, you know, it was always this 418 00:50:13.830 --> 00:50:27.270 experimental mood and this experimental feeling in terms of approaching songwriting and even making records that include, you know, each individual member has an idea or an attitude 419 00:50:27.270 --> 00:50:29.390 about what a Soundgarden song should sound like. 420 00:50:30.340 --> 00:50:50.740 And I'm sure that's similar with any other band. And those are all different opinions, really. They're all different visions. And. And what makes what Soundgarden sounds like is the collection of those things. And I think us, for example, making an album after 15 years, starting to write it. 421 00:50:51.620 --> 00:50:54.100 I realized that more then than I'd 422 00:50:54.100 --> 00:51:13.690 ever realized it before, because I think the first song I wrote lyrics to and a melody to was to a demo that Matt brought in. And as I started writing lyrics and singing to it, it occurred to me that he's the only guy I write like that with. Not even close to anything else. 423 00:51:13.850 --> 00:51:14.930 And then that happened with. 424 00:51:14.930 --> 00:51:43.320 With Ben's ideas and Kim's. And then writing my own songs by myself for Soundgarden. I'm writing in a different way. I'm writing. Writing specifically for that mood. And. And what I imagine this band is always sounding like or pushing the boundaries of what this band sounds like in a way that's appropriate for this band. And then it occurred to me that that chemistry aspect is. Is the most important thing, I think, for this album particularly, that they all wrote as well. 425 00:51:43.320 --> 00:51:43.600 Yeah. 426 00:51:43.600 --> 00:51:53.290 I think that there's a. I was reading this afternoon this is one of the first times that, like, everybody was bringing complete songs. 427 00:51:53.290 --> 00:51:54.010 Yeah. Yeah. 428 00:51:54.010 --> 00:52:10.450 Like, and. And they were kind of ended up on the. On the record. Which, again, maybe that's what contributes to the, like, the dynamics of the. Of the songs that, like, you don't get, like, if you listen to, like, a Metallica record. 429 00:52:10.530 --> 00:52:11.010 Yeah. 430 00:52:12.610 --> 00:52:17.060 The. You know, the. The. All of that rhythm stuff is done by James Hetfield. 431 00:52:17.060 --> 00:52:17.380 Yeah. 432 00:52:17.380 --> 00:52:25.580 Right from beginning to end, just out there. And, you know, and. And the songs. James is writing the vast majority of the. Of the. Of the songs. 433 00:52:25.580 --> 00:52:25.940 Yeah. 434 00:52:26.420 --> 00:52:33.580 And so there's a certain, like, similarity to it. Like a tonality, like a flavor, if you like, to it. 435 00:52:33.580 --> 00:52:34.020 Yeah. 436 00:52:34.260 --> 00:52:40.100 And. And A lot of albums. You get that, right? A lot of albums. You. You absolutely. You get that. And I think that's quite. Quite nice. I think it kind of makes like. 437 00:52:40.170 --> 00:52:40.410 Like. 438 00:52:40.810 --> 00:52:45.450 Like if you look at Ride the Lightning and Master Of Puppets, you get this kind of quite even. 439 00:52:45.850 --> 00:52:46.570 Yeah. Yeah. 440 00:52:46.570 --> 00:52:47.610 Flow across them. 441 00:52:47.930 --> 00:52:49.050 It's a recognizable. 442 00:52:49.130 --> 00:52:53.170 Yeah, you. Like, the tone stays the same. 443 00:52:53.170 --> 00:52:53.690 Yeah. 444 00:52:53.690 --> 00:53:04.530 And the production stays the same and the vocals are kind of similar as you go through, but like. Like the timing and the tuning. 445 00:53:04.530 --> 00:53:04.890 Yeah. 446 00:53:04.890 --> 00:53:09.530 And the. It's up and down. It's this. It's this, like. 447 00:53:09.610 --> 00:53:13.600 Well, there's even one track where it's not. It's not. Not even Chris Cornell singing on it, is it? 448 00:53:13.600 --> 00:53:25.320 No, but it's like. It's. It's more like. And I might get this. This wrong, the classical movement terms and things, but it feels like a. Like a movement feels like, you know, like a body of work. 449 00:53:25.320 --> 00:53:25.720 Yeah. 450 00:53:26.280 --> 00:53:51.070 Like a big collection of stuff that. That takes you on this. On this journey. Because it's quite a long. Like you said, It's 70 minutes. It's quite a long, beautiful, proper. Quite a long bit of. Bit of. Bit of music, this. And it's. It's. Yeah. I don't know. You know, before we came over, I was listening to Appetite for Destruction in the car on the way over and. And it hit me, like, the. The. The difference between these two records. 451 00:53:51.070 --> 00:53:54.630 And they weren't like a dissimilar point in time where they came out. 452 00:53:54.630 --> 00:53:54.990 No. 453 00:53:54.990 --> 00:53:56.670 They were a few years of each other, weren't they? 454 00:53:57.150 --> 00:54:00.110 I. But it's just. I don't know, I think it's interesting. I think it's like. 455 00:54:00.350 --> 00:54:00.750 Like. 456 00:54:01.470 --> 00:54:07.320 Like Appetite is just banger after banger after banger. You know what I mean? They're like. They're. They're just, you know. 457 00:54:07.320 --> 00:54:07.880 Yeah. 458 00:54:08.600 --> 00:54:19.640 On fire as they come out. This is. This is like this. I don't know, like, curated kind of experience, if. If that makes sense. 459 00:54:19.640 --> 00:54:22.679 But I think that creates the longevity. I think that's why. 460 00:54:22.680 --> 00:54:23.160 Yeah. 461 00:54:23.720 --> 00:54:25.880 The way that you listen to Appetite Destruction. 462 00:54:25.880 --> 00:54:26.280 Yeah. 463 00:54:26.280 --> 00:54:34.360 Appetite. Oh, my God. Appetite for Destruction is a similar way to what you'd listen to any kind of, you know, banger, if you like. 464 00:54:34.360 --> 00:54:34.640 Yeah. 465 00:54:34.640 --> 00:54:41.570 It's how you listen to Black Hole sun is like, you know, the Teen Spirit. It's like. Like there's a way you listen to that, which is. It is what it is. 466 00:54:41.570 --> 00:54:42.050 Yeah. 467 00:54:42.050 --> 00:54:50.210 Whereas I think you could probably dip into this in another 10 years from now and you'd still be digging. You'd still be digging Finding new. 468 00:54:50.610 --> 00:55:31.460 New things. It. Yeah, it's. It is a. Yeah, it's a deep pool, this one is. There's a lot of stuff going on, I think. But, yeah, it's. It's. It's funny. It just. It. It did absolutely occurred to me while we're kind of preparing for this, that this is a. I don't know, like, it mean, it came out of the grunge era, but it's got, like, nothing to. I don't know, like, it's got nothing in similar. I. I don't know. There was some flannel involved, I'm sure, but it doesn't feel. This doesn't feel like a grunge record to me in the slightest. You know, like, you can see the connection. You know, when we did bushes 16 stone. Yeah. 469 00:55:31.460 --> 00:55:31.940 Yeah. 470 00:55:32.100 --> 00:56:01.530 I love. That's one of my favorite records. I really love that record. And you can hear. You can trace where that came from. You can see why I see there where that. That kind of came from. This came from a different place to me. This. This has got more in common with. With Led Zeppelin and Black Sabbath than Nirvana and the. The grunge theme, in my view, if this. This has got a. I mean, quite clearly it was influenced and it was part of that scene. 471 00:56:01.530 --> 00:56:01.930 Yeah. 472 00:56:01.930 --> 00:56:04.010 And I think the production, to some degree. 473 00:56:04.010 --> 00:56:04.410 Yeah. 474 00:56:04.410 --> 00:56:04.930 Maybe 475 00:56:07.730 --> 00:56:14.210 the other part is. Is where time went from here. Because I think the Audio Slaves first album. 476 00:56:14.370 --> 00:56:14.690 Yeah. 477 00:56:14.690 --> 00:56:16.490 It's almost like the sequel to this one. 478 00:56:16.490 --> 00:56:18.170 Yeah. Yeah, I would agree. I would. 479 00:56:18.170 --> 00:56:43.420 It's not like, you know, it's got a similar fire to it. It's got a similar. You know, it's got a similar thing going on. And it's more than. It's. It's the songs. It's the. It's the color of the tone of the songs, the energy of it, but also the way that the. I think the creative processes and the band were. The way that those sort of things were approached and the way they were administered and the way it's produced and all that. It was very much a rock thing, wasn't it? 480 00:56:43.420 --> 00:56:46.780 I think so. It almost. It almost got into post grunge. 481 00:56:46.780 --> 00:56:47.260 Yeah. 482 00:56:47.900 --> 00:56:48.580 Production. 483 00:56:48.580 --> 00:56:48.940 Yeah. 484 00:56:48.940 --> 00:57:01.380 I think. And there is definitely a production difference between, you know, between this and Audio Slave. I think there is very definitely a. Like a. 485 00:57:01.460 --> 00:57:04.180 But musically or Tony, there's like an essence that's similar. 486 00:57:04.420 --> 00:57:06.740 Oh, yeah. I think I. You're in no Doubt. 487 00:57:06.740 --> 00:57:09.220 And it's more than the voice. It's more than his voice. It's. 488 00:57:09.220 --> 00:57:09.540 Yeah. 489 00:57:09.540 --> 00:57:11.460 Something about the overall construct of it. 490 00:57:11.460 --> 00:58:16.650 It is. Yeah, definitely, it is. I don't know. I, I, I'm just thinking which, like, what, which do I prefer? Is it the Audio Slave stuff or is it the, the Sound Garden stuff? Do you know what I mean? It's like, which, which do you prefer? It's, it's, it's quite hard to, I think, like, you say there's the similarity there, there's absolutely similarity. And you can kind of, you can kind of hear it's like the evolution of where this, like you mentioned where this would go next. You know, where we would go, where we would go after this. Um, but there's enough difference there that makes it sound fresher. Yeah, I, I, I do. You know, without going back and, and listening to the Audio Slave stuff, I don't know whether that is just all about the production or whether it's the vocal change or whether it's, yeah, like you say something in the, the, the, the music as well. Cause I think the thing, the thing that I absolutely love about this record is just how dark it sounds. It's, it's not a happy record. It's like, you know, know, like the Alice and Chains stuff is the same. 491 00:58:16.730 --> 00:58:17.290 Absolutely. 492 00:58:17.290 --> 00:58:51.200 Alison Chains is kind of dark and thick and, you know, there's nothing, you don't, you don't finish listening to an Alice in Chains record and like, you're not beaming with. Do you know what I mean? You're not like, you're not like running into the garden and planting daisies, are you, like, you know, you just contemplating life, the universe and everything kind of thing. And this is a similar one for me. It's, it's, and, and like there are bits and Black Hole Sun's a brilliant example. I think, like, the lyrics are meaningless. Doesn't mean anything. Chris Cornell's been so clear. He was so clear all the way 493 00:58:51.200 --> 00:58:52.680 through this song fell out. 494 00:58:52.680 --> 00:59:49.770 Just made it up. Like, literally just made it up. Sounded all right, made it up. But then everybody kind of has built meaning into that and the, but if you look at what people think the meanings are, again, no one's talking about it. Meaning. Oh, you know, know, it's, it's like a positive thing, but it's all it's about, about nuclear destruction. You know what I mean? End of the World or whatever is quite a dark, dark sounding record, but it's come, it's, for me, it's got a lot of, it's got to do with those thick, the, the Black Sabbathy bits in There that kind of. That kind of really dark, sludgy. And it's not just the tone, it's not just the production. It's. It's. It's the chord. Is that kind of. I don't know, the. Like, the. The chord progressions and stuff are very. I don't know, they would not be. Would not be out of place on a Black Sabbath record. 495 00:59:49.770 --> 00:59:50.530 No, very, very. 496 00:59:50.930 --> 00:59:57.250 But then there's these. There's the bits on this record that were like totally not nothing like Black Sabbath. 497 00:59:57.250 --> 00:59:57.530 No. 498 00:59:57.530 --> 01:00:30.970 At all. So they've got like these bits in there that kind of. Kind of have this proper dark down tone. And then there are bits. There's kind of the Lead zeppelini bits and then there's the. Kind of. Then there's the hooks as well. It's almost like Beatlesy bits in there. I think, you know, for like some of the chorus work on. On Black Hole Sun. I think on Spoon man to some degree as well. Like the, The. The vocal work. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And. And I think. I think on a lot of the biggest. The bigger bits of the biggest singles work is kind of. Kind of more Beatlesy than. Than anything grungy. 499 01:00:30.970 --> 01:00:31.450 Yeah. 500 01:00:31.930 --> 01:00:44.570 But yeah, I don't know. It's. I think like you said at the beginning, you nailed it. Really was like, you can't place this. It's still really hard to kind of put it in a. In a box or. Certainly the. The whole album. 501 01:00:44.570 --> 01:00:45.010 Yeah. 502 01:00:45.010 --> 01:00:46.610 Like, you can pick bits of songs. 503 01:00:46.610 --> 01:00:49.770 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 504 01:00:49.930 --> 01:00:51.850 But when you look at the whole record, it just. 505 01:00:52.410 --> 01:00:56.450 It's a masterpiece. I. I just think it's an absolute masterpiece. They were. They were all in the pocket. 506 01:00:56.450 --> 01:00:58.770 Have you. Have you bought a copy on vinyl? 507 01:00:58.770 --> 01:01:04.230 Y. No. No. I must do that. That. Yeah. It's what it is. It's an important record. 508 01:01:04.470 --> 01:01:09.150 I. I looked on the Discogs and the represses are like 30 quid. 509 01:01:09.150 --> 01:01:09.470 Yeah. 510 01:01:09.470 --> 01:01:14.390 Which is good. I quite. I like it when there's a repressed available because you can get it and you can. You gotta, you know. 511 01:01:14.390 --> 01:01:14.670 Yeah. 512 01:01:14.670 --> 01:01:18.550 If you. If you want it there. Because it's a mid-90s record. 513 01:01:18.950 --> 01:01:19.310 Yeah. 514 01:01:19.310 --> 01:01:21.710 If you want an actual copy from the 90s. 515 01:01:21.710 --> 01:01:22.230 Yeah. 516 01:01:23.030 --> 01:01:24.230 I got 300 quid. 517 01:01:24.230 --> 01:01:26.730 Yeah. Yeah. Well, vinyl wasn't a thing then, was it? It. 518 01:01:27.290 --> 01:01:27.690 No. 519 01:01:28.490 --> 01:01:30.010 Like, it was cd. It was. 520 01:01:30.090 --> 01:01:47.650 That's why I can't get hold of the bloody Bush album. Like the Goo Goo doll stuff is impossible to get hold anything. All this, this. This period from. I don't know, like. I don't know, like mid. Early early 90s to mid 2000s. 521 01:01:47.650 --> 01:01:49.130 Yeah. It's just not a vinyl thing. 522 01:01:49.930 --> 01:02:01.760 They're pressed so few, and they would have often only been pressed for the native market. So this would have come out in the us, I would imagine. It didn't get. I don't know whether it got a European release. 523 01:02:02.080 --> 01:02:14.200 Do you think that the. The lack of vinyl had an impact on the decision. Decision around compression and mastering for loudness? Because you can't really master vinyl in that way. 524 01:02:14.200 --> 01:02:19.040 No, I think. I think vinyl wasn't even. I think that. I think the numbers were so small. 525 01:02:19.120 --> 01:02:19.600 Yeah. 526 01:02:19.680 --> 01:02:44.820 That they were not. And I think actually at this point in time, my gut feeling is the. The. The production crew and the record companies were imagining that no one was actually listening to it. They would buy. To go in a frame or to, you know, they were not playing it. So I. I don't imagine anything that was pressed in the 90s would have been any good. I mean. I mean, in the nicest way. But it's. You know what I mean? I think they would have been mastered for cd. 527 01:02:44.900 --> 01:02:45.260 Yeah. 528 01:02:45.260 --> 01:02:48.960 They would have been slapped, jammed. That. I mean, I don't know whether this was. I've not. 529 01:02:49.200 --> 01:02:51.520 You know, there's a point where it dances out of the grooves, isn't it? 530 01:02:51.520 --> 01:02:56.960 Yeah. What's it. You. You can see on your screen? What does it look. What. What does it look like? Is it pretty brick like this? 531 01:02:56.960 --> 01:02:58.520 Yeah. Yeah. 532 01:02:58.520 --> 01:03:00.800 It's that era where. Where it would have been whether. 533 01:03:00.960 --> 01:03:01.400 Yeah. 534 01:03:01.400 --> 01:03:08.440 You know, you'd have had compressors on everything and then they'd have been wound up, you know, I think that's why 535 01:03:08.440 --> 01:03:13.180 it sounds so good. It's also, when I mix things, everyone goes. There's always a little bit compressed best. 536 01:03:13.340 --> 01:03:14.060 A little bit. 537 01:03:14.220 --> 01:03:16.420 It gives us a slam. Everything a little bit. 538 01:03:16.420 --> 01:03:20.300 You're like. Everything's up to 11. Yes. The thing. 539 01:03:20.300 --> 01:03:23.340 There's some, like, dynamic shape to this. No, it's just all loud. 540 01:03:25.180 --> 01:03:47.270 Just, just. No. What was I gonna say? Oh, one of the things that always. Every time I hear anything off this album, for some reason, always shocks me. And I think it's this. This tendency for me to kind of compare it back to Black Sabbath. The drums on here sound exquisite. 541 01:03:47.270 --> 01:03:47.630 Yeah. 542 01:03:47.630 --> 01:03:48.470 It's just. 543 01:03:49.270 --> 01:03:51.870 And you create a great kit in a great room. 544 01:03:51.870 --> 01:03:59.350 You don't get that on Black Sabbath records, typically. I mean, harsh. People are probably screaming at their radio set. 545 01:03:59.430 --> 01:04:01.590 But. Well, they didn't have that. They didn't have the technology. 546 01:04:01.830 --> 01:04:16.820 Yeah. I don't think you know, even on some of the newer Black Sabbath records they sound great. They sound really. For me, I really like the sound of Black Sabbath records. Records. But there is something happening here. Where the almost Sepultura esque. 547 01:04:16.900 --> 01:04:17.380 Yeah. 548 01:04:17.780 --> 01:04:20.100 You know, whether you've got this texture. 549 01:04:20.820 --> 01:04:22.620 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 550 01:04:22.620 --> 01:04:27.940 It's got like. It's not just a drum kit, is it? It's got. It's. It's got like some kind of. 551 01:04:28.340 --> 01:04:30.900 Wasn't the studio somebody from Heart Studio? 552 01:04:31.140 --> 01:04:33.940 Yeah, it was. I will tell you. That's in my. 553 01:04:34.660 --> 01:04:36.570 On the blog on Riffology.com co. 554 01:04:36.570 --> 01:04:37.650 It's in my facts. 555 01:04:37.650 --> 01:04:40.650 On the facts. Oh no, save it for the facts then. 556 01:04:40.890 --> 01:04:41.450 I'm just. 557 01:04:41.850 --> 01:04:45.650 In a minute. Shall we do a tune? We'll do a tune. 558 01:04:45.650 --> 01:04:50.650 I'm just checking. It is. I'm just checking. I'm just checking. Just checking. Just checking. Do you know? It's not. 559 01:04:50.650 --> 01:04:51.290 It's not. 560 01:04:52.330 --> 01:05:14.970 It's definitely. You are correct though. It was. It was recorded at Bad Animals studio and I'm just gonna find. But it's the two sisters from Heart that own it and. And I am just looking. Where did this. Oh, I can't see. Oh, Anna. Nancy Wilson. 561 01:05:14.970 --> 01:05:16.330 That's it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 562 01:05:17.130 --> 01:05:25.250 It was recorded in July to September 93@ Bad Animal Studio in Seattle. It's co owned by Anne and Nancy Wilson of Heart who are dead. 563 01:05:25.250 --> 01:05:25.530 Call 564 01:05:27.370 --> 01:05:28.810 on a neve desk. 565 01:05:29.450 --> 01:05:31.130 Yes, of course. It was a neve desk. 566 01:05:31.290 --> 01:05:39.270 Interesting, isn't it? I think at that point in time to be done. That would have been done almost entirely analog then. Yeah. At that point. 567 01:05:39.910 --> 01:05:40.390 Yeah. 568 01:05:41.510 --> 01:05:44.630 I wonder if it was done to click. I bet it was done to clicks. There's some weird timing. 569 01:05:44.790 --> 01:05:49.310 I don't know. I'm not sure. Don't know. Maybe. 570 01:05:49.310 --> 01:05:53.510 I think it would be hard. It would be. I bet it would be hard to do. To do this. 571 01:05:53.670 --> 01:05:54.150 Yeah. 572 01:05:57.750 --> 01:06:00.150 Yeah. I don't know. Do you think? I think that would be quite difficult. 573 01:06:00.150 --> 01:06:00.470 Yeah. 574 01:06:00.470 --> 01:06:02.310 To do. To do this album without click. 575 01:06:02.310 --> 01:06:02.870 Yeah. 576 01:06:02.950 --> 01:06:07.170 Because there was some album. There were some albums that you think. I wish. Like my Guns and Roses. 577 01:06:07.250 --> 01:06:07.650 Yeah. 578 01:06:07.650 --> 01:06:20.610 The vast majority of it. I think. I wish. I wish there was no click involved here. I'd like this to. I'd like this to be organic and. And sound raucous and rock and roll. You know there are other. But like Radio Head. 579 01:06:20.610 --> 01:06:21.050 Yeah. 580 01:06:21.050 --> 01:07:00.940 I really want that to be raucous and rock and roll and a bit out of time. I kind of like that to be nice and smooth and. Do you know what I mean? And. And done to clear. Like. I don't want Pink Floyd to be raucous and a little bit wild, like. But the Donners, I want that to be like. Do you know what I mean? A bit what. So it's funny to me though. There are some. There are some. There are some things where I think perhaps I'd like it to have some click and sometimes not. This is one where I think. If. I don't know. Because I think the changes, like, change the tone, whether it's kind of. Do you mean some of the timing changes in this, like in Black Holster Sun. 581 01:07:00.940 --> 01:07:01.340 Yeah. 582 01:07:01.420 --> 01:07:17.540 Is it the chorus? The change kind of changes a little bit. Yeah. It. Like. I think it's a bit faster, but. But it feels. Yeah. And it, like lift it. It's kind of like, oh, that's kind of a bit. You know what I mean? And then it drops again and I don't know. I think they're using the timing changes and stuff. 583 01:07:17.540 --> 01:07:23.420 And that's an interesting bit actually in Black Holon, because in the. In the context of the song Black Olson. 584 01:07:23.420 --> 01:07:23.780 Yeah. 585 01:07:23.780 --> 01:07:32.010 It sounds a bit out of place. You have that kind of riffy bit. But then placed within the confines of the rest of the album. 586 01:07:32.090 --> 01:07:32.490 Yeah. 587 01:07:32.490 --> 01:07:33.410 Makes loads of sense. 588 01:07:33.410 --> 01:07:33.730 Yeah. 589 01:07:33.730 --> 01:07:37.130 Cuz there's loads more of those kind of moments. Or it does. 590 01:07:37.130 --> 01:07:51.810 You know, it's. It's. It's making me think, actually. It's. It's a record that. If somebody said to me now, actually, it's, you know, it. It. There's a story about. There's a story woven through all of the songs. 591 01:07:51.810 --> 01:07:52.130 Yeah. 592 01:07:52.130 --> 01:07:52.890 I'd believe it. 593 01:07:52.890 --> 01:07:56.620 Yeah. Mean. Yeah. 594 01:07:56.620 --> 01:07:57.700 And I'm pretty. 595 01:07:57.700 --> 01:07:58.620 Does it just feel like. 596 01:07:58.780 --> 01:08:05.500 I'm pretty confident there isn't. But if it wouldn't, like, sonically, I think it would. It would fit if. If there was. 597 01:08:05.500 --> 01:08:05.900 Yeah. 598 01:08:05.900 --> 01:08:08.540 I'm sure somebody in the Internet has woven something together. 599 01:08:08.620 --> 01:08:09.020 Yeah. 600 01:08:09.020 --> 01:08:11.220 Like that time we did Dark side of the Moon. 601 01:08:11.220 --> 01:08:11.620 Yeah. 602 01:08:11.620 --> 01:08:21.820 And then. And then somebody on the Internet had woven it in with the wizard of Oz. Yeah, that's the one, isn't it? Dark side of Oz or whatever it's called. 603 01:08:21.820 --> 01:08:22.060 Yeah. 604 01:08:22.060 --> 01:08:29.630 Yeah. And if you start. If you start Dark. Dark side of the Moon at the right point in the movie, all the songs match what's happening on screen. 605 01:08:29.630 --> 01:08:30.150 Yeah. 606 01:08:30.310 --> 01:08:34.670 The Internet's a really weird place. It's best for cat videos. 607 01:08:34.670 --> 01:08:36.390 Yeah. I think that's the one to do. 608 01:08:36.470 --> 01:08:36.950 It is. 609 01:08:36.950 --> 01:08:40.230 Yeah. Right. Should we do a tune and then facts. 610 01:08:40.390 --> 01:08:40.870 Yeah. 611 01:08:40.870 --> 01:09:31.049 All right. Spiderman. Come together with your Hands Save me 612 01:09:32.569 --> 01:09:36.249 I'm together with your plan Save me 613 01:09:38.649 --> 01:10:15.530 save. All my friends are in the air. Come together with your hands Save me 614 01:10:17.050 --> 01:10:20.630 I'm together with your to Save me. 615 01:10:28.150 --> 01:10:34.950 Save me save me save. 616 01:10:44.150 --> 01:10:44.570 Come through. 617 01:11:15.150 --> 01:12:17.290 There's sam. Come on. Come together with your hands Save me 618 01:12:18.810 --> 01:12:22.330 Come together with your hands Save me. 619 01:12:30.330 --> 01:12:34.490 Beside me with you. 620 01:12:46.570 --> 01:12:50.809 Spoon Man. What is that about? 621 01:12:50.890 --> 01:12:51.490 What? What? 622 01:12:51.490 --> 01:12:52.530 Who is a Spoon man? 623 01:12:52.530 --> 01:12:53.850 Oh, it's. It's a person. 624 01:12:54.010 --> 01:12:56.490 Spoon Man. Yeah. He's the man who just spoons. 625 01:12:56.490 --> 01:12:58.730 Yeah. No, it was a. It was a. 626 01:12:58.730 --> 01:13:00.250 It was Urigala. 627 01:13:02.120 --> 01:13:03.480 No, I'm sure it's in the blog. 628 01:13:03.480 --> 01:13:07.680 Isn't the blog. It's. It's a ma. It's a man. It's. It's. Yeah, yeah. 629 01:13:07.680 --> 01:13:16.840 So you go to a follower. Co. You can too. You can to read the blog and find out about who the Spoon man is. But also I think, is it time for facts now? 630 01:13:17.319 --> 01:13:23.280 We can do that if you want Spoon Man. I'll start there. 631 01:13:23.280 --> 01:13:23.800 Yeah. 632 01:13:24.680 --> 01:13:26.040 So do you remember the. 633 01:13:26.440 --> 01:13:27.990 So this is in your fact Facts? 634 01:13:28.630 --> 01:13:36.110 Well, kind of, yeah. I'm going a bit off piece with the Facts, but there's a. There was a movie in 1992 called Singles that Lindsay keeps telling us to watch. 635 01:13:36.110 --> 01:13:36.710 All right. 636 01:13:37.030 --> 01:13:40.350 And I've watched it. It's got Matt Dillon in it and 637 01:13:40.350 --> 01:13:41.430 I think I know the one. 638 01:13:41.430 --> 01:14:06.720 Yeah. And so if in there, way before this album, there's an acoustic version of Spoon Man. Oh, is that what it was? That's what it was written for. That's what he did it for. And it was written around a real life Seattle street perform, former artist, the Spoon man, who was in Pike Place market, who genuinely plays metal spoons percussively. 639 01:14:06.720 --> 01:14:07.080 Yeah. 640 01:14:07.080 --> 01:14:30.280 Now there are a couple of things that I want to talk about before. Before I kind of dig in. So I've been at the Same company for 20 years and they're based in Seattle. So I spent a huge amount of time in Seattle and Pike's Place and blah, blah, blah. So there's a lot of stuff around here that I find fascinating and interesting. You connect with the movie singles particularly. 641 01:14:30.280 --> 01:14:30.720 Yeah. 642 01:14:31.020 --> 01:15:15.430 Of it was. Was shot in and around there, which was. Which was pretty cool. However, one of the things I did not know was the band name Sound Garden was. It came from a garden in Seattle where we once had. So we used to go there and have these big, big conferences and trainings and stuff. And we once had a summer party there where they were like loads of, you know, street performers and other bits and Pieces. And I remember being in a particular part of this garden when it's like trying to describe it, but like. Like when the wind blows, it kind of makes different sounds. Like a whistly kind of things. And it's called the Sound Garden. 643 01:15:15.430 --> 01:15:16.390 Yeah. Yeah. 644 01:15:16.390 --> 01:15:25.500 And that's where they were. Yeah. I do know what's really bizarre. I never connected the two together until. Until we did this. The prep for this show. 645 01:15:26.140 --> 01:15:40.700 I think it's a great band name. I think it's actually probably one of the best band names ever. I think that song that I said about the name of this. It is. What is it? Nearly Midnight now. 646 01:15:40.779 --> 01:15:52.580 I don't know what. I don't know what day it is. It is 23:16 on Sunday 26th April, according to my table. So I. But I'm with you. Soundgarden and Audio Slave. I think they're both great names. 647 01:15:52.580 --> 01:15:53.100 Both good names. 648 01:15:53.100 --> 01:16:21.200 Yeah, both good names. This album was released on March 8, 1994. Fascinatingly got. They got lumped in with everybody. They were classed as metal, they were classed as grunge, they were classed as alt rock. They were all over the place. I don't think anyone really know where to stick them. It sold nearly 10 million copies, which is a lot for, I think an album that is so dark. 649 01:16:21.280 --> 01:16:21.720 Yeah. 650 01:16:21.720 --> 01:16:26.860 And cool. I. I really like this. But it's not a Mainstream Friends. Well, we. 651 01:16:26.860 --> 01:16:30.700 Black Hole sun saying that though mainstream friends would wear the T shirt. 652 01:16:33.260 --> 01:16:38.140 They wear. Nirvana. They wear like In Utero and bleach, don't they? And you're like. You don't like. 653 01:16:38.220 --> 01:16:39.580 You might like Teen Spirit. 654 01:16:39.660 --> 01:17:21.550 Yeah, you're a Teen Spirit. Kind of. Kind of mainstream Friend. You're not. You accidentally bought that, you dicko. Right. Yeah. Let's go for it. So. So this album, 8th March 19, 1994. The band had been around for a decade before. Before this album. When it was released, it knocked Pink Floyd off the top spot, which I think is really interesting. I mean, for anything to do that is just. Just absolutely bonkers. It was five weeks. Released five weeks before Kurt Cobain died. 655 01:17:21.550 --> 01:17:22.030 Yeah. 656 01:17:22.510 --> 01:17:41.260 Which, you know, that's kind of where. Where. I guess where it puts you in the. In the. In the timeline. It was on A M Records. Now, Soundgarden were the first. I think, unless anyone's going to correct me, I think Soundgarden were the first of those Seattle bands to sign to a major label. 657 01:17:41.260 --> 01:17:41.820 Yeah. Yeah. 658 01:17:41.820 --> 01:18:19.360 I think they were the first to. To do that. Produced by Michael Bainhorn. Now, fascinating. The band didn't go on with him very well. He was a bit of a slave driver and they were. Were. I think all of them were pretty chilled. And he wasn't. He was a bit mutlang. You know, he's a bit kind of. No, no. You're going to do like 500 takes of this until it's perfect. And then, you know. And I'm not sure they thrived on that. There was a lot of. There a lot of quotes and things from the band. Like it, you know, doing the same vocal take 20 times in a day wasn't. 659 01:18:20.080 --> 01:18:21.120 Yeah. Not creative. 660 01:18:21.120 --> 01:18:49.430 Wasn't thrilling for them. Recorded at Bad Animal Studio. From the Heart Sisters. We already spoken about that. A lot of stuff was recorded at Bad Animal Studios. Worth checking out that place. It's cool. 15 tracks, 70 minutes long. So it's too long, but it's quite good. It's. It's one of those records that is. It doesn't feel the length that it is. Like some albums at 70 minutes would. Would push me over the edge. 661 01:18:49.430 --> 01:18:49.870 Yeah. 662 01:18:50.110 --> 01:19:47.500 This doesn't. It doesn't feel like. It doesn't feel like that. Like long of a record picked at number one on the charts. The 20. Yeah. On. And the debut week 26th of March 1994. It. It debuted at number one. So it was a suit. It was an immediate. Yeah. Massive, massive, massive, massive hit single. Spoon Man. The Day I Tried to Live Black Hole Sun My Wave and Fell on Black Days which we've. Which we've talked about. One of the first bands from the Seattle scene to do anything and get signed like even before like Mud Honey and all that. They were really, really early on in that. In that space. Let me go through some of the other bits and pieces. So stuff that was released around the same time. So you had Snoop Dogg's Doggy style. 663 01:19:47.500 --> 01:19:48.300 Right. Okay. 664 01:19:48.300 --> 01:19:51.100 I like Snoop Doggy Dog. I think he's really funny. 665 01:19:51.100 --> 01:19:51.500 Yeah. 666 01:19:51.500 --> 01:20:05.980 And I like that about him. I. I like. I like the fact that he's kind of leaned into. Do you know. I mean, his character. He kind of. I don't. I'm not sure he knows where he begins in his character. Begin. I Just a bit bizarre. Mariah Carey's music box. 667 01:20:06.140 --> 01:20:07.180 Wow. Wow. 668 01:20:07.900 --> 01:20:22.830 The Lion King soundtrack. Apparently that's. I. This is not. I'm totally, really reading off Wikipedia. But this. Apparently the Lion King soundtrack, like sold more than like everything else. Wow. 669 01:20:23.550 --> 01:20:24.430 Cuz Elton John. 670 01:20:25.310 --> 01:21:46.660 Cuz Elton John. Yeah, it's. Who was it that said, oh, I'm gonna. I'm gonna go. I'M gonna go off piece and I'm doing this totally from memory. But didn't, didn't, didn't President Trump say that, like, the AIDS was Elton John's fault? Oh, God. Do you remember? He bought him. He did this, like, benefit dinner and just this benefit dinner, dinner. And he's got Elton John there. Yeah, Elton John's organized it all, Everybody there. And it's about, you know, kind of getting, getting like, investments and stuff. And President Trump said it's kind of, it's all, it's all your fault we're here. Like, like in a, in a positive. I mean, he's meaning it in a positive way, but obviously the universe and the Internet takes it as it's, you know, it's the gay's fault. And I like that. I just think it's. I don't know. And the other thing I love about it is just, he just shrugs it off. It's just kind of like, yes. So. And, and that made me, that made me tick. I love the way that Elton John, he says, proper, nice guy. Elton John's just like, you know, quite clearly just been offended by the President of the United States. It's just like, yeah, all right, whatever. Look at my nice suit. And he's very good. He has some lovely suits. Elton John. Can you. I, I don't, I don't wear suits. 671 01:21:46.980 --> 01:21:48.020 I did for a bit. 672 01:21:48.020 --> 01:21:48.620 Did you? 673 01:21:48.620 --> 01:21:51.540 Yeah, for work when I was supposed to be professional. 674 01:21:51.540 --> 01:22:02.380 I don't do that. And because I work in I T. If you wear a suit, you. I look like a bit of a. Yeah, so I don't do it, but I had to wear a jacket this week. 675 01:22:02.380 --> 01:22:02.980 Oh, did you? 676 01:22:02.980 --> 01:22:03.900 And I quite liked it. 677 01:22:03.900 --> 01:22:04.420 Did you? 678 01:22:04.420 --> 01:22:11.070 Yeah, I did. Not. A jacket. What? I don't know what the word is for it. Like a, a, A blazer. Is it blazer? 679 01:22:11.070 --> 01:22:11.590 Yeah. 680 01:22:11.990 --> 01:22:19.750 And I did. I quite liked it. Do you know the thing I've really liked about it, and this is going to make you giggle. The thing I loved about is I could do this with my glass. I could take my glasses off like this. 681 01:22:19.750 --> 01:22:20.030 Yeah. 682 01:22:20.030 --> 01:22:22.110 And I could pop them in your inside pocket. 683 01:22:22.110 --> 01:22:22.550 Oh. 684 01:22:22.710 --> 01:22:32.110 So when people were giving me things, I could just pop them out and put them on. Yeah, it was brilliant. And like, hoodies don't have anywhere to put you. 685 01:22:32.110 --> 01:22:33.350 No, they don't, do they? 686 01:22:33.910 --> 01:22:39.830 So if you, if you, if you want to, if you want to. Like, like, unless you've got a pouch. Yeah, but you can't put your glasses in your pouch. 687 01:22:39.910 --> 01:22:40.790 Your keys are in those. 688 01:22:41.170 --> 01:22:54.370 A kangaroo. Don't you? But if, yeah, if you want to, if you want to, like, be a billionaire. Right. Build a hoodie with a glasses pocket at the top. Oh, God, where am I? 689 01:22:56.849 --> 01:22:58.210 This is a long one again. 690 01:22:58.610 --> 01:22:59.170 Sorry. 691 01:22:59.250 --> 01:23:00.610 No, it's not your fault. 692 01:23:00.610 --> 01:23:01.330 Is it not? 693 01:23:01.330 --> 01:23:02.930 No. This is gonna be an hour and a half. 694 01:23:02.930 --> 01:23:04.050 Oh, good. Very good. 695 01:23:04.050 --> 01:23:06.210 I thought, you know, that this. Start the night again. 696 01:23:06.370 --> 01:23:06.770 Yeah. 697 01:23:06.770 --> 01:23:09.340 When we start these, you know, I'll be quite quick one tonight. 698 01:23:09.340 --> 01:23:10.340 It's never quick, is it? 699 01:23:10.340 --> 01:23:10.620 No. 700 01:23:11.660 --> 01:23:18.540 Just gabbing on, aren't we? Interesting tidbit. So the Terry Date produced the previous record. 701 01:23:18.700 --> 01:23:19.060 Yeah. 702 01:23:19.060 --> 01:23:27.100 And they decided they didn't want that. Now, where is Michael B. Bane Horn from, do you know? 703 01:23:27.100 --> 01:23:27.500 No. 704 01:23:27.980 --> 01:23:28.540 New York. 705 01:23:29.340 --> 01:23:31.740 The east coast sound. I was talking about the East Coast. 706 01:23:31.740 --> 01:23:41.640 Yeah. And he had just made Soul Asylum, Grave Dancers Union. Yeah. He, he was not part of the Seattle scene. 707 01:23:42.680 --> 01:23:43.720 Well, there we go then. 708 01:23:44.280 --> 01:24:21.800 So maybe like part of your theory there that he's got that bit of a. Definitely has a different tone this, this record. Yeah, yeah. Really interesting, I think, yeah. And, and spoke about this before, but Binh Horn really pushed them. He pushed particularly Cornell hard on the vocals and Cameron on, on drum sounds. They were mucking about with unusual, like, drum mics and things and placements and, and all of, all of that stuff. 709 01:24:21.880 --> 01:24:22.440 Yeah. 710 01:24:23.240 --> 01:25:08.440 And, and interestingly, there was, uh, an article. I'm gonna pronounce his name. Or is it Tate Tail? Um, he, he basically said the album only took as long as it did. Like that everything was written pretty much. But it took as long as it did because. Because Beinhorn was absolutely, you know, crushing them with, you know, with take after take after take, which. Yeah, I don't know, I think is interesting. Famously, Black Hole sun, which was the massive single, was written about absolutely nothing. And everyone thinks it was written about nuclear war and a bunch of other things and it wasn't at all. Which I think is interesting. I think it's interesting that humans attach. 711 01:25:08.760 --> 01:25:09.200 Yeah. 712 01:25:09.200 --> 01:25:13.480 Meaning to stuff you could put humans in like a, in a black room and they would find. 713 01:25:13.640 --> 01:25:14.440 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 714 01:25:14.440 --> 01:25:37.460 You know, find, find some, some, some meaning to it. The Day I Tried to Live. Chris Cornell quotes it as being autobiographical, which I think is really interesting. Bizarre riff. I don't know. I, I, the tuning, yeah, is bizarre. 715 01:25:37.460 --> 01:25:39.100 Yeah. It's all bendy in that. 716 01:25:39.500 --> 01:25:47.300 Bendy. And that Fourth of July. I think that might be one of the heaviest songs. 717 01:25:47.300 --> 01:25:48.060 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 718 01:25:48.060 --> 01:25:54.860 Like, it's certainly for Sound Garden. It's. I don't think Audio Slave ever got that heavy. No, it is definitely. 719 01:25:54.860 --> 01:25:56.620 What's the downtown nature of it, isn't it? 720 01:25:56.620 --> 01:26:12.640 It's bloody drop C, but it's just. Oh, I don't know. Like that is. I mean that could come straight off a Black Sabbath record. It's got like such a. Such a bonkers vibe. That is incredible. 721 01:26:13.440 --> 01:26:14.360 Look would have it. 722 01:26:14.360 --> 01:26:14.680 Yeah. 723 01:26:14.680 --> 01:26:15.920 That's gonna be the last one that we play. 724 01:26:15.920 --> 01:26:24.200 Oh, it's one of my. I just love that. For anybody that says I don't like this album, that's where I would. 725 01:26:24.280 --> 01:26:25.880 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 726 01:26:26.120 --> 01:27:03.960 That's. That's always the one that kind of. I really like. Album cover was by Kevin Westenberg, Seattle photographer, longtime collaborator of the band. And nearly all of the profile and portrait shots on the inside of the album cover. Back when they used to do those things, he did all of that kind of stuff shot on film and then digitally manipulated, which I thought was quite, quite cool. They did a bunch more in the 2014 re reissue. There's more of his stuff in there as well, which I think is really cool. 727 01:27:03.960 --> 01:27:04.720 Yeah, yeah. 728 01:27:04.960 --> 01:27:41.010 Release and reception, everyone really liked it, which is interesting, I think is interesting at the time because a lot of them were kind of. At this point in time time, the grunge scene was kind of a bit over. I think the critics were a little bit, you know, I say bored of it, but do you know what I mean? It's. Oh, you're not Nirvana, are you? So. But, but I think. Yeah, I don't know. Everybody absolutely gushed over this. Absolutely loved it. And you can kind of understand why. It's hooky, it's complicated, it's technical, it's dark, it's. You know what I mean? 729 01:27:41.010 --> 01:27:43.050 It's plenty of ingredients, plenty to chew on. 730 01:27:43.050 --> 01:28:09.150 Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Touring. They did all kinds of bizarre touring. And they actually went out and toured with Guns N Roses. They did. On the Use your Illusion. No, I was thinking similar. It would. I think it would be quite interesting actually that like. Because this would have been when Guns N Roses were dysfunctional. This is on the Use your Illusion tour. This was Axel turning up two hours late and. 731 01:28:09.150 --> 01:28:09.630 Yeah. 732 01:28:09.950 --> 01:29:18.770 Bit bizarre. Other places they were on which I thought they would have gone down were with Therapy, Rollins band, Helmet, the headline Lollapalooza. They were invited to do all kinds of festivals and stuff and apparently turned them down. They did a bunch of. They would often do the run ups to festivals, you know. You know, when there's a big festival and there's like the you know you've got a lot of bands in. In town. Yeah. So you have these kind of like almost like mini shows. They would do those, but then not do the first. The main festivals. Which I think is interesting. At the 37th annual Grammy Awards in March 95, Super Unknown was nominated for the Best rock album. So it lost in that category. But the band took home two awards on the night. Black Hole sun won Best Hard Rock performance. Spoon man won Best Metal Performance to let that sink in. So it. It was the best metal performance. And it beat nominations from Anthrax, Megadeth, Pantera. 733 01:29:19.090 --> 01:29:20.050 That went down well. 734 01:29:21.170 --> 01:29:24.930 The renowned metal band so Bizarre. 735 01:29:24.930 --> 01:29:25.410 Yeah. 736 01:29:26.130 --> 01:29:56.890 Cornell asked backstage how it felt to win Best Metal in the same year as Best Hard rock, reportedly shrugged and said the band had stopped paying attention to the categories is years ago. And I think it's quite right. They just didn't. Didn't really fit, did they? Facts that you might not know. So I'm gonna go and cover some of this stuff. We've covered some of it already. And Black Hole sun was written in 15 minutes with the title coming first and the lyrics added afterwards as deliberately dreamlike nonsense. 737 01:29:56.890 --> 01:29:57.970 It is dreamlike. 738 01:30:00.690 --> 01:31:01.150 We've talked about Spoo man already. Half is the only Soundgarden studio track of Super Unknown era to feature lead vocals from someone other than Chris Cornell, with bassist Ben Sheppard singing his own composition only after the rest of the band insisted. Limo Wreck is written in 15.8Time, a signature so unusual for mainstream rock in 1994 that several reviewers at the time misidentified it as 7 for or simply called it Weird. Producer Michael Beinhorn famously made Chris Cornell sing the lead vocal for Fell on Black days more than 50 times across multiple sessions before approving a take. Wow. A process that Chris Cornell said almost broke the relationship. Mad, isn't it? They'll push that far. Brendan o', Brien, who mixed the album. 739 01:31:01.230 --> 01:31:02.270 Yes. There he is. 740 01:31:02.270 --> 01:31:04.030 You know what else he was mixing at the same time? 741 01:31:04.110 --> 01:31:04.990 Pearl Jam. 742 01:31:05.070 --> 01:31:13.790 Vitalogy from Pearl Jam. Yeah. Making him arguably the most important engineering grunge during the winter of 93 to 94. 743 01:31:13.790 --> 01:31:14.350 Yeah. 744 01:31:16.990 --> 01:31:43.330 Super known. And we talked about this before we started to record because I I this. I think this came from the Beatles thing. But Supernatural Known. The lead vocal is Cornell singing in unison with himself. But it's a fifth apart. And it gives this kind of Beatles like chorus effect. Like thick chorus effect which I I, you I can hear. Something's not like normal with it. But I didn't connect the dots with that. 745 01:31:43.330 --> 01:31:45.330 You tend to harmonize with thirds. 746 01:31:46.050 --> 01:31:46.930 Ah, okay. 747 01:31:46.930 --> 01:31:49.530 Then we like the major or the minor note within the chord. 748 01:31:49.530 --> 01:31:49.890 Yeah. 749 01:31:49.890 --> 01:31:52.300 And a fifth is always the, is the dominant. 750 01:31:52.300 --> 01:31:52.620 Right. 751 01:31:52.620 --> 01:32:03.180 So you don't tend to use fifths because if you use, if you use fifths it's got almost like a sort of, like a, a sort of eastern sound. Like a far Eastern sound. If you use the kind of. 752 01:32:03.180 --> 01:32:03.580 Yeah. 753 01:32:03.580 --> 01:32:08.540 Trip fifths and make them travel. They were used all the time in, in pop. 754 01:32:09.260 --> 01:32:29.480 Like the 60s pop. Yeah, yeah. Interesting kickstand. The 94 second punk blast at track 11 was originally recorded as a beat side and only made it onto the album because the band needed a deliberate pace change. Between the Day I Tried to Live and fresh tendrils and that. 755 01:32:29.480 --> 01:32:30.080 Yeah, yeah. 756 01:32:30.080 --> 01:32:30.720 Talked about that before. 757 01:32:30.720 --> 01:32:32.560 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So very purposeful. 758 01:32:32.560 --> 01:32:48.860 As you said, the album was deliberately sequenced so that the sprawling seven minute closer like Suicide ended on a single sustained guitar note that fades to silence, intended according to Cornell to mirror the way the COVID image fades from face to background. 759 01:32:49.890 --> 01:32:50.130 Yeah. 760 01:32:50.130 --> 01:32:54.810 So you get the feeling this, with this, our whole album is agonized. All of it. 761 01:32:54.810 --> 01:32:55.650 Yeah, yeah. 762 01:32:57.010 --> 01:33:08.690 They recorded a version of the Beatles Come together during the Super Unknown sessions, but it was not to appear on the album and was finally released years later on a soundtrack and reissue. Oh, I didn't know that. 763 01:33:08.690 --> 01:33:09.810 No, I didn't know that either. 764 01:33:09.970 --> 01:33:21.810 I've already talked about this. But then they knocked division bell off the Billboard 200 putting Seattle grunge at number number one in the same week as the most legendary of rock bands released a combat record. Very cool. 765 01:33:21.810 --> 01:33:22.290 Yeah. 766 01:33:22.610 --> 01:33:29.650 And that is like it. I mean there's, there's, there's tons of stuff about this, this band I think, but that's it for facts. 767 01:33:29.650 --> 01:33:33.130 Yeah, yeah. So Reforger Co is where that blog 768 01:33:33.130 --> 01:33:37.250 list, if you want to go and do that, do, do Rifology co. There's all, there's all kinds of crap on there. 769 01:33:37.250 --> 01:33:40.130 Yeah, yeah. And it's good work. Yeah. There's loads of people looking at it. 770 01:33:40.370 --> 01:33:41.330 Yes. They're busy. 771 01:33:41.330 --> 01:33:41.690 Yeah. 772 01:33:41.690 --> 01:33:58.480 The Google quite likes it. So it's funny. I like when, when you imagine that literally it's just the show notes. I mean we just do a structured blogs and stuff. I mean it's, it's, it's written in, in more of a bloggy way now. But the site literally is just, it's 773 01:33:58.480 --> 01:33:59.920 just show the show notes. 774 01:33:59.920 --> 01:34:10.010 Yeah. Basically. And it's gone from there. And like PR companies send us albums to review and stuff now. So I do those occasionally, but not too much. It's mostly old stuff from the 90s is. 775 01:34:10.010 --> 01:34:13.530 Yeah. Very good. Right, should we put 4th of July? 776 01:34:14.170 --> 01:34:55.940 I love, absolutely love this. Shower in the dark. Like fire I thought I was the only one that was just alike. I thought it was the end I thought it was the fourth of July. 777 01:35:26.360 --> 01:35:26.760 Fear 778 01:35:28.760 --> 01:35:31.800 never no one cares 779 01:35:35.560 --> 01:35:36.280 no one 780 01:35:36.360 --> 01:35:39.720 wants to speak about it 781 01:35:41.480 --> 01:35:42.120 down in 782 01:35:42.120 --> 01:36:51.300 the Jesus tries to crack. Ram. 783 01:37:08.510 --> 01:37:20.510 Sam. 784 01:37:36.680 --> 01:37:42.440 Now I'm in control now in the fallout. 785 01:37:59.570 --> 01:37:59.810 And. 786 01:38:00.610 --> 01:38:04.850 And hold it in your hand Cuz I heard it in the wind 787 01:38:06.610 --> 01:38:06.890 and 788 01:38:06.890 --> 01:38:11.650 I saw it in the sky I thought it was the end 789 01:38:13.490 --> 01:38:14.770 I thought it was the. 790 01:38:21.330 --> 01:38:21.970 Sky. 791 01:38:52.640 --> 01:38:55.520 There we go. This may be our longest one yet. 792 01:38:56.400 --> 01:38:57.440 Longest show ever. 793 01:38:57.680 --> 01:39:00.080 We are just getting towards 100 minutes 794 01:39:00.480 --> 01:39:02.240 and it is getting close to midnight. 795 01:39:02.240 --> 01:39:02.560 Yeah. 796 01:39:02.560 --> 01:39:03.600 So we better go to bed. 797 01:39:03.600 --> 01:39:04.000 Yeah. 798 01:39:05.200 --> 01:39:07.520 So what should we do next? 799 01:39:07.520 --> 01:39:08.239 Rolling Stones. 800 01:39:08.960 --> 01:39:11.560 Should we do that or should we do Physical Graffiti? Should we do. 801 01:39:11.560 --> 01:39:12.920 Oh, yeah, no, yeah. Sorry, you did. 802 01:39:12.920 --> 01:39:21.970 So shall we do. I was thinking we could do. Because we talked about Led Zeppelin. I. I think there's a very, very Black sabbathy Led zeppelini vibe today in the show. 803 01:39:21.970 --> 01:39:22.410 Yeah. 804 01:39:22.410 --> 01:39:32.730 And I'd love to do Black Sabbath, but. Yeah, Black Sabbath is one that I would really like to hold back. It's our hundredth show in. In a few months. In a couple of months. 805 01:39:32.890 --> 01:39:33.290 Yeah. 806 01:39:33.290 --> 01:39:48.530 So there's a couple of albums that I'm like. I'm not. I think they might be good. Yeah. For that. So the Black SAP. I don't know which one we do maybe. Anyway, so. But I thought we could do Led Zep. If we do Physical Graffiti, you'll look, that's a double album. 807 01:39:48.530 --> 01:39:49.950 Y forever. 808 01:39:49.950 --> 01:40:05.030 It's like. It's beautiful. Proper massive. Do you know the fun thing about it? Over seven minutes started out as eight tracks. So it was eight tracks. And then. Then they realized they'd got a little bit more than that and then decided to nudge it to a double album. 809 01:40:05.030 --> 01:40:05.669 Bosch. 810 01:40:07.270 --> 01:40:14.350 So that's good that then. So we can do that, which is good. I don't know much about Physical Graffiti in the way I know it was. 811 01:40:14.350 --> 01:40:16.390 It was Dan Baker's favorite. 812 01:40:16.390 --> 01:40:19.590 Is it Headley? It was recorded at the Headley Grange. Yeah, yeah. 813 01:40:19.910 --> 01:40:21.830 That drum kit under the stairs. 814 01:40:21.830 --> 01:40:33.110 Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's got. It's got a proper drum kit sound, doesn't it? It's proper. Proper lovely sound. Produced by Jimmy Page. I know that as well. Which is going to be quite cool. So let's do that. 815 01:40:33.110 --> 01:40:33.590 Yeah. 816 01:40:35.110 --> 01:40:37.150 And then do you know, we'll do Rolling Stones after that. 817 01:40:37.150 --> 01:40:37.830 Yeah, great. 818 01:40:37.910 --> 01:40:50.440 Beggars Banquet or something like that. Yeah, probably do. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, probably Beggars Banquet. Anyway, we'll figure that out next week. And that's it. Yeah. Thank you. 819 01:40:50.440 --> 01:40:51.360 Done. Sorry.