A Chris: Are you the guys on the beach who hate everything?
B Neil: Is this some sort of hip music that I don't understand?
A Chris: Mythology?
B Neil: Everybody's all right with me. Love this album. It's great. Doing a good Joe. We'll get on. We'll get onto that in a bit. Get on to that. So what we'll talk about first. Big Cokes. Big. Oh, we've got big Coke. Cans of Coke are enormous. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So where. So we record this in Woodville, just off the clock Garage roundabout, which is just up the road from Swadhenge. Swadheng. Swadh. We have to talk about Swadhenge first. Oh, God. So our local council have taken one of our roundabouts. Have we spoken about this on the podcast? No, I don't think. Well, for those that are not in the United Kingdom, we have bizarre, like swatted. I've never seen this in America ever. I would have been in America. Everywhere's like intersections and then you wait and then you turn. Yeah. And what happens in the United Kingdom of Great Britain is what we did where you would have an intersection we put around bit of road and then it's like. To a new driver, it's like incomprehensible. Everybody seems to know which way to go and you just kind of drive around it. Yeah. But then. Then if you imagine you've got the bit in the middle and you need to decide what to do with it. As an aside. Apparently. Yeah. When. When I used to do lots of stuff with the police, they told me if you need to. Roundabouts. Not normal things then. No, only. Only in. Just here. They don't have them anywhere else. Yeah. Weird, weird place if you want to get rid of a dead body. Yeah. I have no idea what the. When we have our podcast translated, it's just occurred to me that this is going to be really weird. So. So I was doing some stuff with police and we were just chatting in the police. If. If you know anyone in the place, their humor is really dark. I mean, they have to deal with a lot of difficult stuff. Really dark humor. And we're chatting to them and they'd had a lot to drink and then they were saying to me, if you ever need to get rid of a dead body, dump it on a traffic roundabout. Dump it on a traffic. Yeah, like a roundabout island. Because, like, no one goes there. Be fine. So do you think that's why companies sponsor them? So they go through the disciplinary process, kill the people. They don't want to work there under the roundabouts they sponsor. I don't know. Did you know what. You know those conversations where you. You think. I don't. Like. I don't know how we got here. I was like, designate designated driver. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then everyone had a lot to drink and then all of a sudden they were talking about. About how to get rid of dead bodies. Yeah, yeah. I'm like. And I don't know. It's a question. I love that. It's a question I've never thought about the answer to. I've never, you know. Yeah. I've had to get like ants, you know, get rid of ants. Have that quite a lot. Dead bodies. Less. Less of a. There we go. Now everyone knows. They do. Oh, but then Swad. So, Swadhenge. Yeah, our. So we've got the. We have these traffic roundabouts and some of them are massive and they'll have like. Like what would look like a forest in the middle of it, which is where you put your dead bodies. Yeah. And then the smaller ones where you could. You could like put a. An armchair, see, on those big ones where they've got their own, like, want their own natural ecosystem. Yeah. And then the animals that live in there or the little creatures, they won't know anything outside the world of that thing. Just. Yeah. Just occasional dead body. Yeah. Do you know, it'd be like a Disney. A good Disney movie. Yeah. The junction 1142. What was that? M Night Shillings. It's like that. Yeah, yeah. They don't know anything about the. About the outside world.
A Chris: Yeah, yeah.
B Neil: So. So back to Swad. Swadhenge. So we live near a place called Swaddling Coat. And the local council decided they were going to decorate one of these traffic roundabouts, I would say a relatively small size, not particularly large tool. And so they spent considerable amount of money in there and they. They built this, like, metal cage with rocks in it. Yeah. And I think the idea is that you plant plants in it and it looks like a living wall. It looks like it all starts to grow out of it. Oh, that's actually quite a good idea. That's not happened yet. It all makes sense now. So now. Oh, they're just cages. It could. Gorgeous cages with rocks in. Yeah. And then the locals have called it Swadhenge. It's on Google Maps, mate. It is on the lot. Barry Milner Bridge. Yeah. Which we've talked about. Fans of the show will remember. We talked about Barry Milner Bridge previously. And that's on Google Maps. You can find that if you like? Yeah. But there's all sorts. There's, you know, and obviously, because AI is the thing now, there's people putting all sorts of things on. Oh, God. Every. Every. Every time something happens, like, like when Trump. President Trump's like being like, Jesus, Yeah. Like he's on Swadhenge everybo. There's something on sword hand, you know, stay good. Yeah, it is good. And yeah, it's a landmark and people should visit, I think, you know, actually come here. Whichever country you're in, come here and come and visit. Traffic roundabout, which is great. There's not a lot to do here. It's like. There's a ski slope. Yeah. When Renka says there's a ski slope, what, it's like a carpet down the side of a hill, isn't it? You can get. If you. I've seen people with severe burns. Yeah. Yeah. My daughter was one of them. Really? Yeah. Fear burns when you. When you. Because you get a bit of speed up and then you get. And it is like carpet in it. So you. Then all of a sudden you've got yourself a friction burn. Yeah. And a toboggan. Toboggan. Yeah. My friend burnt his ear on this wagon because he went too fast. There's a bit where he's supposed to put the brake on. Yeah. And he. And he didn't put the brake on, so like, he proper, like, like lost it. He didn't come out. Yeah. He didn't fall out of it. He just bur. Hection burnt his ear on the. Go. On the. On the. On the side, which was like, you know, like stainless steel. I'm just imagining someone getting out.
A Chris: Go.
B Neil: And everyone go, what? What's going on? Yeah, no, he did. I think he's dead now, actually, so. God, it. It doesn't matter so. So much now. That's like a proper grandma chain it. Yeah, I guess he's dead. I don't know. And then they'll go like, oh, Bob, I don't know Bob. You do. You do know Bob. Bob. Bob saw you when you were 2. Mom, I'm 50. I don't remember that. Oh, he did it. Well, he's dead now. Calm down. We were talking on the way here, so. We haven't even got to the coach yet. We need to come to that. Yeah, so we'll get to that. But on the way here, we were talking about the. Just the incredible program that is that. What is it called? The Laughing One. Last one Laughing. Last one Laughing. Oh, my God. Very good. It's so good. I, Yeah, I, I have to be honest. I do. I do like that a lot because we have a lot of American listeners. Would they be able to get that? Well, they'll see on YouTube. Won't it be like YouTube clips? Oh yeah, there's loads of YouTube. I don't know. It's on. Do you know what? I think it's on Amazon. Oh, is it also there? I think it's on Amazon. Yeah. So if you're on Amazon. Last one. Laughing it's very funny. It's. It's Lola. Comedians. Load of British comedians in a room and they're all trying to make each other laugh as soon as they laugh or smile and there's like like bizarre rules and, and things where they kind of. It's all set up to make them laugh and. Yeah, I don't know. I. Yeah, I do. I. There's some absolute like national treasures on it, aren't they? That some really, really good people There are. And it'. It is, it is very good. I do. I don't like TV very much. Well, it's not very. Cuz I do like tv. Yeah. But I like, I like the streamy stuff though. I like like Silo and I like the Expanse and I like, I like kind of. I like a universe. I can, I can, you know, go into and, and enjoy. I don't like. I don't typically like like just tv, if that makes sense. No, but I like. Yeah, I do like, like that. I enjoyed this. It was good. It's very funny. Cokes. So we went. So after we've spoken about that program, we went to the normal Asda garage which exists off the clock. Garage roundabouts. That's another roundabout a bit further on. It's actually the next roundabout along from Swadhenge in Swadlinko is if you're going out towards Ashby. Yeah. And it's got five. It's actually quite a lethal roundabout. It is. It's crazy. It's got like five lanes but it's tiny. Yeah. So everyone fights like there's lots of pippin. But what happens? Everyone kind of gets there and waits and then launches onto the. Everyone gets there and. Oh, it's a bit dangerous here. So I wait. Yeah. And then. And then because there's like three or four cars all waiting, nobody wants to be the last one. No. So they all just drop it and go. Then you end up with like just, you know, chaos. Yeah. Yeah. So the first exit on that roundabout is the Asda garage with the second Exit which come down the hill a bit then you go into the library where the studio is depending on which. Which road you end up at the roundabout on. Very true. Otherwise it might be the second or third time, isn't it? It's like it depends on where you are in time to where timey wimey is relatively wibbly wobbly timey wimey. So anyway we went to the Asda G fridge and then I thought ah. Because normally like what we've done recently is we've gone to the Sainsbury's, got the four packs. Yeah. And then left two under the bongos. Two cans. Right. Now we haven't. No, sort that out. Yeah. Two under the bongos and then kept like drank two and then we've still got Lindsay's fruit pastels, the red and blacks which are very good actually. Thank you. Really good. Yeah. We haven't actually had more than one each time one packet. It's been really good actually. Yeah. It's quite late on a Sunday like you always get home buzzing. Yeah, Midn I. Absolutely. So what they're having the. So rather than getting the two pack, the four pack we actually bought these big cans of Coke which are like. They're more like beer cans, aren't they? 500 milliliters. Yeah, it says Super Fan Edition on the top of it. Yeah. But I've always. I've already had three wheeze off this.
A Chris: Oh God. Yeah, yeah.
B Neil: So I forget about you people don't realize how hard it is to do a podcast like this with when you need a Wii. Yeah, yeah. You got to get your wheeze in. Yeah. So. So what I've been think buying these is what I don't know if these would actually fit under the bongos because they are quite big. Is that what you were thinking? I don't think they would. No, I don't think they would test it but I think we'll have to get. I did. I. I realized how expensive they are. Everything expensive. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's just stupid. Everything is stupidly well normally that like I think the normal cans of this stuff would be £1 35. Yeah. £1 35 for a. No. And these were £1 65 weren't they? Yeah, no, there were more but. But there were two for what? Three pound twenty. Oh yeah, they did like a multi buy thing so it works out better and we get more Cokes. But I was just thinking I need more Coke. More coke. Ugly kid Joe then that's 10. 10 minutes mate. 10 minutes in I want to. So do you know. Do you know why we're doing this album? Because we did. What do we did, Rems. Oh God, it's got time out of time. And during that week that we did that album, I was kind of really, really. Because it's not very guitari that record. And I just thought, I really want to hear some good. I want to hear some crunchy, like just some guitars. I would just really want to guitar it. Like a riffy album. And I just kind of woke up one morning, I was just like, I know. And I put this on and not listened to it for, I don't know, 15 years maybe. Maybe longer than actually. And I just thought this is beautiful. Brilliant. This is just such a good record. And you know, you. I know that the, the. It's very rift driven songs are quite funny. The band are quite like not taking themselves that seriously. The song. Yeah, the. The, like the. The vocals are kind of really clear. The record quite good. There's some lovely kind of squealy and like. Like Nuno Betancourty guitar solo bits on there. Absolutely loved it. And then it hit me that it was 1992 and this music wasn't supposed to be popular in 1992. This was. Never mind. This was Nevermind Black album, that sort of thing. Yeah. You were not listening to. Yeah. This. This was not. It shouldn't have worked. Right. The band didn't fit anywhere. They weren't. They weren't on the grunge side, they weren't on the heavy metal side. They weren't thrash, they weren't. They weren't like hair metal. They were more like the kind of extra. Like you mentioned the guitar work Nun. Yeah, and it is. You're right. Well, Nuno got sucked into the hair metal. Yeah. Side. And if you think about it. So they got sucked into the hair metal side and they were kind of all right. I think they. They. They. I mean, I think if Extreme had been around like two, three years before, they'd have been like, you know, enormous in that they were a big band. But. But. But they got accepted into that. That, that place right into that scene. Ugly Kid Joe just didn't. They didn't get ex. They weren't accepted into the hair metal scene.
A Chris: It.
B Neil: They weren't part of the thrash metal scene. They weren't part of the heavy metal scene really. They. They kind of like had influences from all of these different scenes. They weren't part of the grunge scene. No. And so you had these big like pop rock hits. They had these big kind of hooky hits from them. But. And you could say you could see the record record label kind of go, yeah, okay. That's kind of big and catchy. Yeah. But I don't know. It's always a shot. It was absolutely shot. When I'm just rethinking about this record. I was kind of really shocked that it did. Did well. You know what I mean? That it's old and it caught on and. And I came to the conclusion actually that I. Although the music's really good, I think it was more about their attitude and how they came across that, you know, hey, everything about you. And. And they did Cats in the Cradle, that Harry Chappin cover. I love that. I thought it was really good. It's brilliant. They're another band where. That's their song now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's an ugly kid. Like the Word up thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They. They did a. Yeah, did a. Phenomenal. Interesting. It was the same. It was the same album that I heard. I hate everything about you. Yeah. And word up. Word Up. It was on the same compilation album I used to play back to back over and over and over again. No way before car. Oh, was it like child. When I was a child. I've got. I. I've got. I've got a. I've got a thing to talk about and I know we're just on track but I'm going to take us off track. But I've got to go to Brighton this week. Yes. And for those that don't know the United Kingdom. I always, like a lot of my American friends always think that you like walk everywhere in a. You like just walk there and you. I need to go to Brighton and that's like four hour drive. Yeah. From. From me. And I'm going to take my car with the CD player. So that means I've got to choose CDs and my glove box is only so big so I can think about five. Don't take my pouch. But I've got. You probably need to upgrade your suspension actually if you take that patch.
A Chris: I've got.
B Neil: But it's been phenomenal. It's been really cool. I've been. I've been, you know, as the last couple of days. Yeah. I've been thinking, oh, I'll take that with me. Yeah. And it's quite exciting. Yeah. And you forget about it. You know, you've got every bit. And I've still have my phone and I can still do Bluetooth if I really want to. Yeah. But I'm really loving just this. Do you know what I mean? Or what am I gonna take? I'm gonna, you know, which albums am I gonna take with me? And I have, like, I've picked. I've got bushes, 16 stone, I've got Little Angels album. What else did I pick? Oh, love, Hate. Yeah. The Fate album. Ride the Lightnings in there as well, so. Yeah, but it's cool because I can't take that many. No. Yeah, yeah. But it's just, I don't know, something nice that. Yeah. Forcing. You know what I mean? Like forcing yourself to choose. Yeah, I'm gonna enjoy that. Yeah, no, that's good. Good, good, good. We could come back on track if you want. Yeah, Yeah. A lovely record shops down in Brighton. I will report back next week. There are actually. Yeah. I'm just thinking about it. Yeah. Because I was there not too long ago. Three really nice ones. It's really nice place, isn't it? Yeah, it's cool. It's cool. I quite liked it. But there's three lovely record shops and I shall go and avail myself of them. Yeah. And enjoy a bit of that. And then. Yeah, I don't know. It's lovely. It's like, conferences are normally in big cities. Yeah. And I don't know, I normally. You turn. You could. I'm normally like, you've been. I get brought there to speak. So you. You turn up, you get into the hotel. Yeah, I'm just like, I can't. You know, I've been doing this a long time. There's no. None of the cities are new. Yeah. Like, I know. I know the city and I know you know, and you just like. I don't know, can't bring the enthusiasm to go to Starbucks. Yeah, yeah. Just. This is just. I can't be bothered. Whereas Brighton. Like, cool places. Yeah, it's cool. There's that place called. Okay, Tattoo. Yeah. Which I just. Every time I say, I just think it's of like. Of all the things you. You don't want to be. Okay. And I think that's what makes it work really well. Yeah, I like. Oh, it's a lot of cool art. There's a nice gallery. I saw that when I was down there. Oh, did you? It had like. It had scenes of gangster movies. Yeah. Kind of stylized and then put into really ornate frames. Right. And then spray painted. Oh, wow. It was really cool. It was really. It was ace. It is like a. It is like a backwards place. Like, not backwards place. Like But. But it's. It. It's really slow. I mean, it doesn't. It doesn't feel like a metropolis. It doesn't feel like. Everybody seems, like, quite chilled. Yeah, I liked it in Brighton. Yeah. Yeah. Because I've been there before. Yeah. But didn't really expect. I only sort of saw the seafront bit and didn't really. Yeah, it was nice to kind of go back into having a wonder. Yeah. Y. I never go there to speak at conferences. I. It's. It's got a. It's. We're normally in the Hilton, but this time we're in the Brighton Dome. Yeah. It's a beautiful building. Is that where you went? No, no, no, it was the hotel. It was just the center. The conference center. So I'm looking forward to getting in the Dome and getting some records. I will. I will tell you what I buy. Yeah. Yeah. As long as it's not too expensive. I'm getting really old and miserly. I went into HMV the other day. They were like 35 quid. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What? Yeah, no one wants that. Just. No, should be 17 pounds. Absolutely maximum. Yeah, yeah. 15 to 20 pounds.
A Chris: Yeah.
B Neil: I'm okay with. Because I think, you know, and for that, it's got to be something I've got to listen to. I know it's like 10 times. If I'm not gonna listen to it, like at least 10 times, then like. Like in the foreseeable future, Like, I'm not. I'm not buying it. I'm not having it.
A Chris: But.
B Neil: But yeah. It's so expensive. Everything's so expensive. I don't know whose fault it is, but if it's your fault that things are expensive, you should be ashamed of yourself. I don't know why. I think. Why are things stupid? So what is, like how Ugly Kid Joe was? It was two guys, wasn't it, really? And then. And then. And then the sort of. Rest of the band sort of formed around them. Yeah, pretty much. And it was. It was like they could make. So they made an ep. It was all a bit of a laugh and then. And then it kind of went off a little bit for him. Yeah. So. Whitfield Crane and Klaus Eichstad. Yeah, good names, aren't they? Probably pronounced that very poorly. Yeah, they. They were just at school, basically just mucking around, drinking beer, Party gigs. Ugly Kid Joe was like a. Like a play on a Pretty Boy Floyd. So they made fun a lot of the. The hair metal crew and.
A Chris: Yeah.
B Neil: I don't know. They. They. They Were just didn't take themselves seriously. They, they. They were just mucking about. They did that six track EP as ugly as they want to be which was 91 and that had everything about you on it. And yeah, they. I mean. I mean their record label just were. It was. It was huge. You know the record label picked it up, it got played on mtv, it got placement in Wayne's World. Yeah. Just. Just nuts really. And then I think it went from there to them, you know, then getting a record deal and then. And then they were out on tour with Aussie and yeah everybody else on the. On the planet but they never really like had a. Like everyone else. I think in every. Almost all the other bands at this time with they. They just slotted neatly into a scene. Like I'm thinking like bands that just didn't fit. Like Faith no More. Yeah. Like didn't fit no Ugly kids. Yeah. There were a few misfit bands, weren't. There were like Skunk and Nancy. They didn't fit either. And then you had. Yeah. It's just weird because there were some big albums at this time that was still doing pretty well that you wouldn't really have expected. Right. So I keep the Faith was around this time Def Leppard's Adrenalize Guns N' Roses were doing Use your Illusion. Yes. To be fair, there was some tones and guitar sounds and styles that it would live with. Yeah. And I think that's it for them. But they weren't like with them. No. Do you know what I mean? It was like they, they could go out on tour with Ozzy, they could go out on tour with Faith no More. They could go out on tour. Meatloaf. Yeah he got my. My cousin was obsessed with me. One of the. I was obsessed with Melo 1 and 2. One of my. One of my earliest memories was. Was going over to my cousin's house and there was. My cousin's dad had just got remarried. So there's like my cousin and then. And then there were forgotten the girls names. Now it's gone back such a long time. They were. They're. They're in this big house and there was my cousin and there's these two girls that were. That were his step whatevers. I don't know what they're called. And always remember that they didn't get on very well. And I was in my cousin's bedroom and he just got. And he'd got. He got his first job. I think I'd have been about like 10, maybe younger than that. And he'd got his, like. His first, like, like, ghetto blaster, you remember, the other day, and he just played better. Hell, like all the. Just over and over and over again. He would just turn it up and up and up. Do you know what I mean? That was the thing, though. I remember. Heard the stereo and you would you turn it up and up and up until. Until you got told to turn it down? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And it was just funny. And. And you remember they go banging on the door. Go turn it down, turn it down. Like something out of like a Us. US sitcom or whatever. Yeah, no, it was. It was. It was cool. Record days. Yeah. Yeah, but. Yeah, no, but they. They didn't fit like the. The, you know, the Ugly Kid Joe. They just.
A Chris: Just.
B Neil: Just didn't fit anywhere. And then, you know, the songs were interesting because, like, this. Like this would have been. I mean, the stuff. Although there were. There were, you know, there were kids out there still into, like, the hair scene. Still into. Yeah. You know, some of the. The kind of hard rock and the heavy metal scene that was going on and thrash was still around, but, like, Ugly Joe just didn't fit with that. But the songs were, like, cool and catchy. Yeah, yeah. And they were like, oh, really hooky. But I think they, like, spiritually, like, you know, like, punk rock is more of like a. An attitude than, you know, like the. An accord progression. Right. It's not the music necessarily. It was. It was more like about your. Your attitude. And I think Ugly Kid Joe kind of fitted with this. Up yours. You know, I mean, like, like screw the man kind of thing. They. They. And that fitted well with the hair metal scene. It fitted well with the heavy metal as it fitted well with probably everyone except the grunge. Yes. Scene. Yeah, yeah. You know, the. The songs kind of fit and they were big and hooky on the radio as well. So. So, yeah, I mean, you've got the song Mr. Record man, and you've also got the album cover.
A Chris: Mr. Record man do you know who I am? Mr. Record man do you really think I can? And I've taken liking to your game I think we all would feel the
B Neil: same
A Chris: Is this a dream or is it real? You say you won't to cut a deal Mr. Wrecker Man do you know who I am? Mr. Wrecker Man do you really think I can? Don't need much time to think about. I'm sure that you have got the clout I only hope that you're my friend and stand by me until the end Mr. Record Man, Record man do you know who I am? Mr. Record Man, Record man do you really think I can Sell a lot of records, Tour around the world, Make a lot of money and meet lots of girls? Mr. Record Man, Record man do you really think I can? It sounds like music to my ears I've dreamed of this for many years. Sell a lot of records around the world Make a lot of money, Meet lots of girls, have a lot of fun Hang with my bros. Cause these boys and this van is all I know. Mr. Record Man, Mr. Record man do you know who I am? Mr. Record Man, Mr. Record man do you really think I can ask for the money? Nice for the show? Are you here for me? Here for the dough? Mr. Record Man, Mr. Record Man do you really give a damn? Mr. Record Man Mr. Record Man do you really think I can.
B Neil: Mr. Record man the album cover is phenomenal. I didn't realize this until I started to. To look at this. I'm going to show Chris a picture of on our blog, which is on Riffology.com. you ever seen that? No, I've never seen that one. So that, that. So that was like the original one, was it? I'm showing Chris this is the alternative cover and it's essentially the cartoon character on the COVID is like he's giving the finger. Yeah. And the bit that I think's really interested about, I'm gonna show Chris. That's the actual cover. Yeah, that's the one. I know. Yeah, that's the actual cover there. So they can see this on our blog@riFology.com. yeah. And I think it's really interesting because it's kind of like Statue of Liberty almost. You can kind of see like New York in the background or you know, that kind of isn't like that, but it's like suggestion flag at the top and like a bunch of countries got offended by it. Which in the 90s was quite hard. You had to work quite hard to be offended in the 90s. I think that you'd be if you were. If you. I don't know, I think you were offended by an album cover in the 90s you were going to get offended by quite a lot. But it's, it's. I think it's really interesting. So, so they did. It was created by Mo Brennan, who did all of the Ugly Kid Joe imagery through there. Now there was a magazine at the time called the Mad magazine. Now the mascot was create for that magazine was created by a guy called Alfred E. Newman Neumann. And essentially it's very similar. Yeah, guys, is. You can tell this. There's some, you know, similarities. It's different enough similarity. So there was that. That they. They thought they were going to get sued almost constantly. And then. But then different territories handled the COVID in weird ways. So some pressings, particularly those for retail chains. Yeah, they didn't like the raised middle finger, so they swapped the gesture or pixelated it. Oh, wow. Right. The Australian release leaned in, had a sticker celebrating its platinum status. The visual identity tied in the album together and stuff. And so. So that. That it kind of rolls quite neatly. You know, it was a really similar kind of stuff. But, yeah, there is like a. Like a gagged hand version. So when they. When they were told they got to do like a, you know, a version that was not flipping the bird, they. They kind of did the same character, but bound up in rope. Right. And his whole hands bound and he's got, like, handcuffs on and. And he's in it. And also it's kind of gay around his mouth. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Just kind of. But again, it kind of. It really leans into their. Yeah, like, screw you. Yeah. I mean, attitude, which I thought was really. It's really cool. But. But, yeah, it's one of the most recognizable album covers, I think. I mean, there's a few that are, like, phenomenally recognized, you know, like the Pink Floyd album covers and stuff. But. But yeah, it's a very cool album cover, I think. Cool concept and. And having that, you know, organizations tell you that your album's been banned, I'm sure didn't do them any harm.
A Chris: No, no, we're totally mucky. You know what I mean? Like, because I've heard, like, a whole bunch of, like, label nightmare stories and. And, like, you know, just all this, like, being a band that used to get persecuted and everything just, you know,
B Neil: it's just a gnarly.
A Chris: Especially new bands, you know what I'm saying? It seems like we're like that. I don't know. I think we're probably like the luckiest band in America at this point. It's like everything, because we keep on just kind of walking along, you know, we're not real jaded. We don't really know a lot about the mechanics of the industry, you know what I'm saying? And, like, people. Oh, the little kid. Come here. So I think we're pretty lucky, definitely. Yeah. Because it's hard for new bands to really, you know, make a name for themselves when there's so many new bands and it's like. It seems like we kind of are,
B Neil: which is really great, especially just through the ep.
A Chris: So yeah, we're very lucky in that. Cause that's the way I choose to be. Everybody's all around chance to decide what goes Be washed world by I. Got their ch but up there we don't use our voice Busy be what will go by Busy be what will go by Busy be Washed will be. Yeah Busy be was well by how could you be so glad. Sam. I was in school Let children dance and sing yeah Just let us find what's been lost so many people get tossed away. Sa. When we did the ep, we knew we were doing. We were doing it really quickly. And the. And the. And the. The meat of the. The.
B Neil: Of the songs that we have, you
A Chris: know, in our little song bucket, we kind of saved some of the best ones because we really wanted to make
B Neil: them sound, you know, bigger than probably the EP sounds. So I think we're pretty set for what we're going to be doing with the album.
A Chris: I guess we're going in April 1st and we're looking for a summer release. Yeah. Late summer of 92. Release. Yes.
B Neil: We're both having a burp frenzy. Burps and wheeze burps and we. Do you know what I want to talk about? Yeah. I want to talk about the fact that it was produced by, ah, the Judas Priestman. Mark. God's not Mark. Mark Dodson. Yeah. Godson Mark Dodson who did all kinds of cool stuff. He did Judas Priest. Yeah, I like Judas Priest a lot. Which one did? Rob Halford single. He sang on one of these songs, didn't he? Or he did something know. It's definitely in the blog somewhere. I've read it in the blog, find out a bit. But yeah, I like, like Judas Priest quite a lot and they're kind of one of the bands I think that got me into, yeah, into metal. They were kind of. It was British steel that kind of really, really kind of got me into that. Do you remember the shop that was called Gateway? Yeah, yeah, I do Gateway and then Summerfields. Gateway, Summerfield. I worked in Summer Fields that. So I did a summer working in Summer Fields. Fields. It's like a. It's like a crappy store, isn't it? Right. And. And then that, that sent me back to university. I was like, I'm not doing. Because all my mates have gone there, like going, oh, come here. We can, we can earn like, like, you know, whatever quid an hour is like four quid. Now we're good, you know, it's been dead good. So we'd all gone there over the summer and I was like, I. I not doing this. I hate this. I really hate this. And I was the only one. Everyone's like, it's that good, isn't it? It's brilliant. Yeah. You get a discount. We can get like ice. Oh, my God. Honestly, I want to kill myself. This is the most unpleasant. I couldn't everything about it. I hated the fluorescent tube. Lights flickered and hurt my ears and hurt my eyes. And the smell. On my first day, I'd smashed that kilogram bottle of. Of Marmite on the floor and then tipped boiling water on it. So the whole store smell of Marmite. That broken glass. Marmite. Is it one way you can't have Marmite now because of it. No, I quite like my. But it didn't like that I didn't. I don't think I enam myself particularly well with the team that ran the place, but I didn't like it. And so, because I used to get mud up, there was Gateway and there was Grandways. What was Grandways? Grandways. I think Grandways was like a little local one. It wasn't like a chain. But Gateway was a chain, wasn't it? Or Gate. Yeah, yeah, it was. Because then they became Summerfield. It was. It was, yeah. Anyway, I was. What I was going to say that I bet you didn't know. Know. Do you know what he did, but you didn't know? I don't know. Dodson produced Prong.
A Chris: Really.
B Neil: Prong, as we've discovered now. That's interesting band in the world. These have got a meaty sound. They have. Yeah. They've got a meatier sound than other bands that were like this at the time. Well, if I. If I give you some. He did some of my favorite albums of this era. So if I look at it from Suicidal Tendencies, how will I laugh tomorrow night in 98. Anthrax, state of euphoria. 90. Everyone says that's a crap album and it's not. If you think it's a crap album, you're a. I don't know if you can say that. Can you say that? Yeah, fine. What you just did. So. Yeah, well, that's good. If they tell us off, they'll tell us off. Just get over yourself. We'll put a sticker on it. It's dead good, all the thrash. Oh, not very threshy. It was brilliant. Dead good album. It's got. Oh, yeah. It's got some Fantastic. Fantastic stuff on there. It's got a cover, another cover that the. The band who covered it owned, and that's Antisocial. There's a track on there called Antisocial. And the Anthrax cover is better than the Trust cover. Yeah. So a bit like Word up and, you know, Cats in the Cradle. Oh, we spoke about Cats in the Cradle earlier, didn't we? Yeah. And then I didn't play the song at the time. Oh, you should do that.
A Chris: My child arrived just the other day Changed to the world in the usual way but there were planes to catch, bills to pay he learned to walk while I was away. He was talking for a minute and as he grew he said, I'm going to be like you, dad, you know I'm going to be like you. And the cats in the cradle and the silver spoon little ball blue and the man on the moon. When you coming on, sun? I don't know when we'll get together then, you know we'll have a good time there. Just the other day said, thanks for the ball that. Come on, let's break it. Did you try to throw? I said, not today, I got a lot to do. He said, I'm so j at it. He walked away and smiling, he said, you know I'm gonna be like him. Yeah, you know I'm gonna be like him. And the cats and the grill and the s. Little ball blue with the man on the moon when you're coming home, son, I don't know where we'll get together there, you know, we'll have a good time there. Well, it came from Carlos just the other day, so much like a man. And I just had to say, I'm proud of you. Could you see more wild? He shook his head and he said with a smile, What I'm feeling like, dad, is to all the chuckies, See you later. Can I have them, please? And the cat's in the cradle and the silver spoon little ball blue and the man on the moon when you coming home, sun? I don't know where. Get together there, you know, have a good time there. To learn. I called him up just the other day. I'd like to see you, if you don't mind. You said, I'd love to, dad, if I could find the time. You see, my new job's a hassling the kids of the blue. But it's sure nice talking to you, dad. It's been so nice talking to you. And as I hung up the phone, it occurred to me he'd grown up Just like me. My boy was just like me. And the cat's in the cradle and the silver spoon Little boy blue in the mountain when you coming on sun? I don't know where we'll get together there. You know, we'll have a good time there. Then the cats and the pictures still in the silver spoon. I really kind of enjoy what he's
B Neil: done cuz like he's worked with Judas
A Chris: Priest and stuff and he was telling
B Neil: me Judas Priest stories basically.
A Chris: That's why, you know, he's a killing. Basically. We're going to be spending of time a lot us money in the studio and we'll be all. So tell me more about Judas Priest, dude. Yeah, I like stories like that though. Yeah, but he gets some incredible drum tones and some killer guitar tones and
B Neil: he's good with the vocals.
A Chris: And you know, because we've been checking out a lot of people. I guess some people are interested in working with us, but it seems like he's the most interested, you know what I'm saying? Like, I kind of want everything in this. This band to be like that. You like bros. He seems like he'd be a good
B Neil: bro because they came to the show and he.
A Chris: He called us and he. And he's totally cool guy.
B Neil: So I hope that we'd work with them, but you never know. And they did. They work together. That song always makes me feel really sad. Why? Well, because I think it's a sad song. It's in a sad key. Do you know it's a sad song? I mean, it's kind of like saying like, you. You know, I mean, you do. You. You have your children and then you're too busy to have time with them, and then you're dead. And then they are too busy to have time with their children and then they die and then they're to be. And it's like that rotation, that life cycle, and it's like it was. I remember hearing it for the very first time and it kind of like, oh, yeah. And it makes you feel like, do you know what? Every time I hear it always makes me just like, just screw this. I'm gonna go and like play with the kids. I'm gonna go and do whatever. I mean, I'm not. Not gonna be that I'm too busy guy. But then you often are. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. It's like, yeah, life sucks. That's like the song. It's a very cool song. It's the drum. Yeah. Such a cool song. I was talking about Mark Dodson. Yeah. Before you rudely interrupted me. Sorry. And I wanted to talk about some things. First of all, he did Prong. Beg to differ, which I really like. I love Prong. He did Suicidal Tendencies again, which is mega, mega, mega. And then a bunch of others in. In this, like, metal church and. And stuff. Right. Infectious grooves as well. Which was your man, Super Bad Rob Trujillo. Yeah, was in there, I think. Was that the one that was like. Oh, no. Suicidal Tennis is a bit of a super group, wasn't it? No, Infectious grooves. Was st. Yeah, ST Kind of turned into a bit of a super group. Yeah. But I think they were. And then we did America's Least Wanted, so we did this record. Yeah. And then a little bit later, they. He. He did Whose Fist Is this? Anyway by prong. But then 1993. And it's just hit me that we talk about this at some point, but he did Earth versus the Wild Hearts. Did he? Ginger has recently told everybody that he has cancer and he's not going to get any trouble. Treatment. Yeah, no, he's done. He's just done. I think his last gig is at Donington Download. Yeah, it's doing Download. It's going to play Download with. With Wild Hearts. And then he's kind of like, I'm just out. I'm. Yeah, I'm done. Yeah. And I don't know, it's just like. It's obviously a guy going out on his own terms. Yeah. But it's funny, he kind of said, I don't want anyone to be sad about it. Yeah. Yeah. I've lived the life of 10 men. Yeah. And it was interesting to me. I kind of. Like I said, you don't get to tell me whether I should be sad about. Yeah, I mean, I get it. I get that you don't want to be sad about it, and it's fine. And obviously you've got to deal with your own things. But, you know, the, like, the impact you've had on people's lives over the past 40 years or so, 30 years or so of producing music, you're gonna have an impact on people. When you. When you go, you can't kind of just, you know, tell everyone to be happy. Right. And. But. But yeah. Anyway, I think it's. It's just. I don't know, it's just. It's just the circle of life. Right? It just, you know, you. You're born, you do stuff and you die.
A Chris: Right.
B Neil: But. But still sad when somebody like that young and that impactful and that talented. Yeah, rubbish sometimes, do you know what I mean? For all the good things in life, like finding extra big cans of Coke, which is mega, and finding. I have to be. I found a CD on eBay today that I've been looking for for a pound. Felt a bit smug as well, like, get in. And then.
A Chris: And then.
B Neil: What was it? Oh, God, I can't bloody remember. I have to go look. I have to go look at my ebay history. But it's one I've been looking for for ages and they're on discogs for like, 12 quid. Yeah, yeah. I'm not buying this. Including postage. Yeah, well, I bought a few other bits and pieces and they were like a pound. I bought five, I think. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And they're a pound each. Oh, that's great then, isn't it? Probably empty cases or something. But anyway, for things that good happen, you get that. And you. I know. You get kicked in the balls by news about Ginger, which is rubbish like that at all.
A Chris: No.
B Neil: What's next? What should we talk about now? I think it'd be nice to talk about, like. They're a bit of a hodgepodge of styles, weren't they? Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's no. It's interesting, isn't it? For as much as the album, like, tonally, the guitar tone stays and the drum tone stays. And like the song, there's some variation. There is some variants. There's a lot of. In.
A Chris: In.
B Neil: In songwriting, the song songs are all different. There's like a completely different. So one of my favorites is Panhandle in print. Yeah, yeah. And I love the guitar solo at the end of it, but it's kind of funky.
A Chris: Sitting on a rusty not much else to do. Smoke cigarettes and drink my Mickey find my. I blew. As I stop drinking and I stop thinking that death is on my side if my heart stop beating the streets G. Suicide, that's right. I grew up in inner city A dark part of this town Just another innocent backwoods victim. Society locked it all down. You can call me a loser, Call me a loser really doesn't matter to me. I got a bitch, folks Snoozing some sausage. Eat boozing, that's all I need see Keep each other sometimes don't know why yeah, I'm going to do and chill the day I die. Consider me the duke as I dine in your dumpster A sanitary engineer I'm the band of the bass, the panhandling master well, I'm putting 20 GS a year said I know it ain't much but at least I'm in touch yeah. With reality I wouldn't trade no places to be rat racing, no. So please keep me coming Sometimes I don't know why I say Ooh, yeah, I'm gonna do it, yeah. The day I die. Goodbye, Keep it jumping Sometimes don't know. I'm gonna do a cheer. The day I die. Yo, Mr. Trump, can I ask you a question? You gotta spare change for me, sucker? Now I'm down and out and there ain't no doubt that I am here to stay. Yeah, you see me with my brothers lying in the ghetto with my, my paper bag in hand. Yeah, let's reach out, I'm sure. But at least they're so all I need. You take away my peace of mind, you leave me the head, right? Die. Die. Yeah, yeah, you better look again, my killer square. What you live is just a lie. Sa. Klaus will, like. See, Klaus is basically the king of writing. He'll. He'll sit there like. Like in his little laboratory.
B Neil: He built this little four track laboratory back there.
A Chris: If they leave me alone, Dr. Frankenstein. And he'll sit back there, then he'll have it pretty much done. And he'll even sit. He'll even make lyrics up for some
B Neil: of the songs he does.
A Chris: Like, he'll have whole songs done. Or else I'll come up to him like, I don't really know anything about music. Like, I can't play any instruments or anything, but I can think of cool riffs and my head. And I walk around with a Dictaphone, you know, just in case I get
B Neil: one walking down the street or something.
A Chris: And I'll go, you know, and then I'll cruise over to him and I'll go, check it out, dude. And I will transpose it.
B Neil: Yeah.
A Chris: And then he'll have it with the test kids. He'll be like this. And I'll go, no, like that. And then within like 15 seconds, he'll have the exact riff I had in my head. He'll go, that's pretty cool. I'll have it. He's all, thanks.
B Neil: It's got more of that kind of faith. No more extreme thing going. Yeah. Infectious grooves. It's kind of in that territory. It's, it's. It's proper funky, but then you've got some like straight up hard rock in there. And then there's the, you know, like, acoustic stuff where it's kind of a little bit more melancholy and, you know, a little bit softer. It's. It's yeah, it's a. I think that's why that. I don't know. It's an album that I think has aged pretty well. Yeah. Sometimes they don't. But I remember when it came out and it was. It was closer to the grunge thing for me, when I heard it. It was closer because it was the beefy sound. Right. Stylistically in the songs and the. And the choices and the way they do the vocal delivery. Yeah. It's probably closer to things like Poison and Skin. Yeah. It's kind of hard rock, isn't it? It's hard, yeah. It's. It's funny how they didn't fit in because they made fun of the hair metal. Yeah. Like, they. They were always poking fun at the hair metal crew, whereas that. That was kind of where they sat quite with it. Yeah. I mean, they could have gone out on tour with a lot of those bands, I think, like, they could easily have gone out with, you know, some of the bigger. Bigger hair bands of the Def Leppard or whatever, and they would have fitted with that crowd and, you know. But, yeah, it's funny. It's. And. And it's funny how. And we talked about it before. It's funny how for me, like, almost clashes like. Like philosophically with where grunge was. Yeah. You know, like, this was like, proper, up yours, stick your finger. And grunge was a little bit more kind of introspective and, you know, like a little bit more be in touch with your feelings and kind of. Do you know what I mean? It's a bit. It was. It was a little bit like more, I guess, more material, more weighty on the grunge side. And this was just about like pulling your pants down and moon in the world, you know? But so it's funny. So you can imagine that they didn't, you know, didn't particularly fit. But. But the fans of all of these genres bought this, clearly. Yeah, yeah.
A Chris: Like, I. I think music is, you know, it's A, it's A. It's from A to Z.
B Neil: Right.
A Chris: And a lot of bands will be. Will pick one letter in the Alphabet to be, you know, I'm thrash, I'm glam, I'm this, I'm that, you know. I think for this band, what we've realized is like, you know, each of the members in this band is diverse in. In their likings, in music and what they can play, you know, and for fact, we can. We learn off each other, you know, and to the point where you Know, sooner or later we're going to become very rounded. So I'm. I don't think we're going to just
B Neil: sit there and play one type of
A Chris: music for the rest of our lives, you know what I mean? I would like to get a little more diverse and go into every aspect of it, you know, So I know we all listen to so much. We know about different stuff and be nice to. He's an abba. Put these elements into our music in some way or another. I mean, without forcing it, of course. It's something that sort of comes naturally, you know, just by playing around and listening and playing, and it all comes together and then it comes out of the song and it's like you go, well, that kind of got that. That's kind of got an ABBA vibe, dude. A little bit of Ice Cube. Ice Cube, Yeah.
B Neil: So if you're saying it was all, like. It was all a bit of a laugh and, you know, they were taking the mic. There was actually some phenomenal commercial success. Phenomenal commercial success with this whole thing. It's funny because he didn't like. First track was Neighbor, the first single. Spelled incorrectly. Yeah, but, yeah, so the first track was Neighbor, and it landed at 28 on the UK singles chart, 29 on the US mainstream rock charts, which is kind of okay, but not like mega. Everything about you was released twice. It was released in 91 and then in 92. See, that's interesting. So it didn't land the first time, I think. Yeah. And then. So I think at its peak, it was nine in the US and three in the uk. So did. Did, did kind of okay. Yeah. Then they did so damn cool. Which was. Was like, all right, that kind of landed okay. The really, really big one was Cats in the Cradle. Right. Okay. Yeah, so that was released in 93. Video was directed by Matt Mahurin Mehurin. So with it. So icons 91, 92 and 93. Yeah.
A Chris: Wow.
B Neil: Yeah, they were still releasing stuff off it. Well, I think everything about you got done in 91. Then the. Then the album came in 92. So everything about you was on the EP. Yeah, re. Released it again. Was it re Record. It must be re record then as well. Probably. I don't know. Yeah, so, yeah, Matt. Matt Mahurin did MTV videos for you two and Metallica and REM so it's like a big, big deal. And then they. Yeah, they really took the song's theme series. So the MTV video was all about fathers and sons and all of that kind of stuff. And then. Yeah, it kind of. That's the one that kind of absolutely took off and then. And then the album went. Went with it, essentially. So the album then started to. To go. Yeah, go go. Absolutely bonkers. Yeah. The review. The. The critics didn't. Didn't. Critics of rubbish, aren't they. The critics didn't really get it. I don't think so. Like, Entertainment Weekly scored it 43 out of 100. Yeah. And with. In the. I made a note. It said. I said these kids should quit while they're ahead. Yeah. Karanga Metal Hammer. Both really liked it, like, but then they. They would love like the Underdogs, you know, I mean, I think. Yeah, I think there's kind of an appeal to the British music press that they like. Ugly Kid Joe didn't really fit in with the kind of. The Nav or the. Yeah, it's interesting what you said about these kids should quit while they commit, while they're ahead, because you kind of. They never replicated that success. Yeah, they didn't. They really, really did not. Yeah, no, they didn't. Didn't land that. That well. They. They. On the back of this album, they did some big touring spots. I think they were out with Def Leppard, with Oz Z. Yeah. Van Halen as well, that were on the Unlawful Carnal Knowledge. Yeah. They're at Darnington, Monsters of Rock and stuff like that. So they went under some pretty big. Pretty big tours. But then the albums that came afterwards just didn't land in the same. In the same way. So, yeah, it's a bit. Bit. Bit bizarre really. But yeah, they. They clearly very talented, but just weren't able to. To. To go again. To. To do it again. Yeah, yeah, it was like the magic had. Had gone all been used up. Shall we do some facts? Some facts. Right. 8 September 1992 is when it was released on Mercury Records. Produced by Mark Dodson and Ugly Kid Joe. Recorded in Sound City. Yeah, I saw. I remember seeing that on the blog and going, all right.
A Chris: Oh yeah.
B Neil: And so track count 13, approximately 51 minutes long, which is quite long. It doesn't feel a long. No, I thought that earlier. Does not. Yeah, I've gone through it a couple times this week or like 51 minutes for me. He's getting on that verge where it's like, yeah, it's a bit too much, but it doesn't feel it. Like me and Barney went to see. I know we're in fact. But I'm gonna. I'm gonna take a detour. Me and Barney went to see the project. Hail Mary. Okay. Yeah, yeah. And that's two and like two and a half hours long or something. It's too long for you. You can't sit for that long. Your bum hurts. Yeah. You can't have a Wii. Yeah. I need a wee now. Again. Dog Dark. Yeah. Oh, just Barney. Barney's only 11 and he was like, oh, well, I've got no true. I've got no sweets. Why have we got no treats? I don't need a wee. I'm a bomber. So anyway. But 51 minutes. Good. This album is great. I think it's a. It's a banger. And quite often this is one of the albums that I will. I'll just put on straight back again. Yeah, yeah, okay. Yeah, I do quite like that a lot. Estimated tales do you know estimate sales. No. 2.4 million worldwide copies. Which given that it was up against the Nirvanas and the Def Leppards and all of the. I think that's all right. Infinite. And especially for a band that did not have. Well, they weren't really. You know, it didn't feel like an album band. It felt like a couple of bangers.
A Chris: Yeah. Yeah.
B Neil: Although the album's really good, you know, it is a great album. Yeah. Yeah, you are right. So some things you might not know about this album and we've talked about some of these before, but I'm going to go through them. So. The band's name is a direct and deliberate parody of Pretty Boy Floyd. See, I didn't know that until reading the blog. The LA glam metal band and was originally meant as a one off joke before everything about you forced them to become a real band. So they kind of did it. It's a bit of a joke. Then they did everything about you and then all of a sudden that's it. You got a band out. Rob Halford recorded vocals for Goddamn Devil in a Single Afternoon as a personal favor to Mark Dodson, who had engineered Judas Priest's Painkiller and ram it down the freckled middle finger flipping mascot on the COVID drawn by Mo Brennan, narrowly avoided a Mad magazine lawsuit. Despite the obvious Alfred E. Neumann lineage. Some retail pressing censored or altered the rude gesture. So is the MAD thing. Is that the parental guidance group?
A Chris: Is that that.
B Neil: No, that was the pmrc. The MAD is. It's just a magazine. Oh, right. Just like a mag. Just a magazine. And they. They kind of almost nicked the. But whether on purpose or not, the. The cartoon character has a really Similar likeness to that magazine. I got it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sandy Chapin and Harry Chappin in Chapin's widow and co writer of Cats in the Cradle personally approved of Ugly Kid Joe's cover and proceeds from the single support the Harry Chapin foundation and Anti Hunger work. That's great. Which is cool, isn't it? It's really nice. Julius Sweeney, Saturday Night Live cast member best known as the character Pat, contributed spoken words to the album. That was her. Yeah. Quite cool I think, isn't it? On the start of everything about you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah Devil music this proceeding the preceding ep, as Ugly as They Want To Be is widely credited as the first EP in history to be certified double platinum in the United States. A record that, that was the record that propelled the deal for America's least wanted. Stephen Perkins of Jane's Addiction added percussion to the album. Yeah. A guest appearance that reflected the cross pollination of LA's late 80s and early 90s alternative scenes. Dave Fortman, who joined the band's touring lineup in this era, would go on to produce platinum records for can you guess, Evanescence, Mud Vein and Slipknot. So he did all Hope. He's gone, yeah, yeah, yeah and fallen as well by Evanescence. Drummer Mark Davis was replaced shortly after the album cycle by Shannon Larkin, who decades later would become the long serving drummer for God's Godsmack. I'm a Miller from blog. Yeah, the. Yeah. So they all went somewhere then. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Loads of them kind of went on to do. To do all the cool things. Yeah. So the. The album was recorded at Sound City Studios on the same neve console that had recorded Fleetwood Max Rumors and Nirvana's Nevermind. And it would go on to do Slipknot as well. Yeah, yeah. The album's closing track, Mr. Record man, is a barely veiled attack on the music industry, which was written before the band's relationship with Mercury Records went south sour after the follow up Menace to Sobriety failed to perform. And then finally in my list is Whitfield Crane briefly joined. Can you guess which band? I didn't know. Yeah, I can't remember now because I read it on the blog earlier as a touring vocalist after Ugly Kid Joe's first split in 1997. So yeah, absolutely bonkers. You know, I think, I don't know as, as albums go and like, as I guess in summary to this one, it was like a, a point in time. You had a bunch of guys together, you know, the energy they'd got, the, the attitude they Got these cool songs, but then it's like. Like Bald Lightning, you know, like, you kind of can't put it back in again. You can't. Yeah, yeah. For whatever reason, like, you just. Just can't put it back together again. And they had a few goes at it, didn't they? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. And it's like, it's. I don't know. It's a phenomenal, phenomenal album. This is, I think, under appreciated, I would say. I think an album that we talked about, the Goo Goo Dolls albums. And I think I said something like that. They're the best albums that people have never heard. Yeah. And I think this is one that's probably a lot better than you remember it. I think you might remember the single. Yes. Yeah. But the album, the whole record, that's. That's certainly how I felt about it. Yeah. Panhandling Prince, I think, is just an absolute. It's just a bruise. It's such a great record. Yeah. I don't know. Goddamn devil. It is just. I don't know, like, the bass lines. Like the bass lines in Panhandling Prints are phenomenal. Really, really cool. It's. It's a much better record than you likely remember it was, I bet. I mean, lots of people remember it, certainly from our generation. We certainly would remember the big single. Yes. Yeah. But. But, yeah, there's definitely other stuff in there to explore. And that's it. Facts. Excellent. Right. We shall play Neighbor, Neighbor. Spelled incorrectly. Spelled incorrectly. And then we should talk about next week.
A Chris: Sitting in your front yard drinking lemonade. Suburban life of pretty white. You think you got it made? Put you down now what's in store for you and your family? I'm moving in right next door. Won't you ever. It's a beautiful day in the neighborhood and I hope I en ruin your day. Won't you be my neighbor? Yeah. I brought my life, my ugly wife My dirty dog with fleece. My kids are punk and I'm a drunk. But this I'm sure you'll see. And you don't know what it's like to live in misery. Your mother welcomes you home sweet hell dissatisfaction guarantee. It's a beautiful day in the neighborhood and if I could I shall live wood invite you in. Say, won't you be my neighbor? I want you be my neighbor I want you to be my neighbor I treat you be my neighbor I won't you be my neighbor. Come on. I don't think your mind I place a living peace you're Gonna wanna live in me A woman living next to me It's a beautiful day in the neighborhood Won't you be now won't you be my neighbor? Sam? I drink, I stink, I smoke, I'm a joke I try a night and day to get a piece of the action and you should know by now you're never going to forget But I know just what you're thinking it could be you out of your drinking don't you not chance to try could be you in a little. Oh, I. You. I hope I didn't ruin your day. It's a beautiful day in the neighborhood I think your wife. A beautiful day in the neighborhood.
B Neil: Two things about that. Oh, yeah? The first thing is tone feedback, which is the beauty, like, beautiful. You talked about like. Like not enough bands do it. And I like it as well now because you've got modelers and floor things and it doesn't. I bet your camp has got a button for it, hasn't it? A feedback. But I bet it has. I've got a new toy now. Have you? Yeah, I've got something called a quad. Oh, what was that? A quad. A quad cortex. Oh, my friends has got quad cortex as well. Yeah, I know musicians. Yeah, yeah. And my other musician friend, he has got a quad cortex and he's dead excited about it. They're amazing. Well, the little mini one with a. With a thing with a. Bet you do. Yeah. Do you hide them? Do you have to have your Kemper and your quad in different rooms in case. Okay, so start fighting here to see each other. So that's that then the last bit is the little tambourine at the end. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You just hear like this little splash of a tambourine. I like. It's good. Not enough tambourines in modern music. No, no. Your rappers don't do tambourines, do they? No, no, I noticed that. Like, I like tambourine. I do. Eminem. You would never see Eminem with a tambourine. No, I do think it's a shame. Yeah. And trombones. You don't see trombones in rap music either. No, I'm not so keen on trombones or bagpipes. Now that's interesting. I like bagpipes because bagpipes are good in corn. Yep. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Lindsay's got a playlist called Songs with Unexpected Bagpipes. Search Spotify, you'll find it's got, I think, three songs in it. That's great. Expecting back bites. Yeah, it's brilliant, isn't it? Yeah, it's not. Do you know, we were talking about comedians. It's proper Bob Morton that, isn't it? Like, you know, this deadpan conversation with Bob Mortar, and he says, like, I've written a book about songs that have got unexpected bagpipes. You totally believe it. You'd be like, oh, okay, what are we gonna do next? Now, we spoke about this. I said. We said at some point we might want to go and do meatloaf better. Hell, we do want to do that. There's a bunch of stuff. If we go back that. Farther back to the 70s, there's a bunch of other stuff that I really want to do of that era that I think will be really, really cool. Yeah. So maybe we'll go, like, on a bit of. A. Bit of a rabbit hole back into the 70s. Yeah. Because I was a 70s baby. I was born in 74. Yes. Yeah. So it's kind of. I didn't grow up with it, but I, like, it was all around. It was there. Yeah, It's. It's the music that would have been on for me in, like, my parents and older me as well. Yeah. There's a lot of stuff from that kind of. The older Queen stuff and. And things. So, yeah, I think there's a bunch of stuff we can do around that. That time. I think that would be quite cool. Yeah. Eagles. Yeah. There's just a ton of stuff really kind of shaping stuff quite definitely shaped some of. Some of my taste, I think, in music. That'd be cool. But I think we'll do that later. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because we're still in this 90s thing, aren't we? Yeah. Night is Grinch. I do like the 90s. Yeah. Yeah, me too. And we. We sort of. We've hidden for a while. There was a couple of albums we've done this with. Yeah. Like, Master of Public was one them. Of. Of them. Yeah. We've said we'll definitely do that at some point, but we've, like, so many times through this podcast, we've said about doing Super Unknown. We have. I think we should do that. Yeah. Again, that's an album for me that I did not. It wasn't an album that hit me at the time. I know that everybody's probably, like, swooning and falling over and throwing things out there wireless, but I just didn't. I was just like, I don't. This is not. This is not. In this period of time, I would have been like, which, what, 96. Like, it was 96. Think Superno. Yeah. That Wouldn't have been something for me. I would have been like skunk and ancient. Yeah. Yeah. You know what I mean? Brit stuff. Yeah. Brit rock mostly, or Metallica or, you know, thrash and. But I wouldn't have been super unknown. No. It would probably been like 20. I remember the 2010s. For me. I rediscovered a bunch of stuff from this. Yeah. This time that. I mean, we talked about this before, like. Like you had your scene where you were and your friends were and what was. What was, you know, what was around you. You and. And one of the things I realized is when you go back, like, without that baggage, you know, where you kind of go back there and you're like. Like, I'm not scared of what I listen. Yeah. I'm not scared of someone telling me that, like, liking this, like liking Radiohead is, you know, stupid or makes me. You know what I mean? You don't have that pressure anymore to kind of fit in with your mates and stuff. Such good music that you would, like. Totally skimmed you by. Yeah. At the time. Do you know what I mean? Where you, You. You were just like. No, no, it's almost like. Like, I'm not going to listen to that because none of my friends are listening. Yeah, yeah, right, that makes sense. So. But yeah, it's. It's, yeah, super unknown. So. Yeah, it's just. I mean, we did okay Computer, I think, didn't we? We did do that.
A Chris: Yeah.
B Neil: And I think, yeah, there's. There's something. Something about the. Like that these records that, like, shaped a bunch of stuff that came after. Yes. Like, I think bands like Nine Inch Nails and stuff like Massively Influe by the. The complexity and dark tones here. Although they're kind of not like super heavy or anything. No, no, no. But they're kind of quite sinister almost in tone. They're quite a cool. Yeah. Achieving that. That kind of texture and tone from. From. From these albums. So, yeah, let's do Super Unknown. Yeah, I like. It's one of my. I like album names. I like. I quite like. Yeah. This one. I call it Super Unknown to Good. It's a good T shirt as well. Yeah, it is good T shirt. Yeah. You got to have a super unknown T shirt. Yeah. I haven't got one. It's the Law. Have you got one? I had one, yeah. I don't know where it is anymore. That's it then. Sorry.