WEBVTT 1 00:00:08.640 --> 00:00:12.880 Ripology, rifology, Ripology, Riphology. 2 00:00:14.880 --> 00:00:19.680 I don't know where to go from that. I don't know. I just. I, I. We're back. 3 00:00:19.760 --> 00:00:20.160 Back. 4 00:00:20.560 --> 00:00:22.480 I love this album. We did matchbox 20. 5 00:00:23.120 --> 00:00:23.600 Chris. 6 00:00:23.680 --> 00:00:28.840 I'm Neil. This is apology. I do, I really do like this album. I like the lyrics. I like the song. It's brilliant. 7 00:00:28.840 --> 00:00:30.200 I like it a lot. Yeah, it's good. 8 00:00:30.200 --> 00:00:30.640 That's it. 9 00:00:30.640 --> 00:00:31.680 Done. Podcast done. 10 00:00:31.980 --> 00:00:39.260 It's so good. I do know we have talked in the past about singing in the car to stuff. This is one that I sing in the car to. 11 00:00:39.420 --> 00:00:40.700 Is it your belt here? 12 00:00:40.700 --> 00:00:41.980 I do. I like it. It's got. 13 00:00:41.980 --> 00:00:43.340 And you've got a CD player now. 14 00:00:45.580 --> 00:00:49.740 I do. I really like it. I really like having a. I know. It's a bit like. I don't know. 15 00:00:49.900 --> 00:00:52.740 I know we're really old. I think we can embrace that. It's fine. 16 00:00:52.740 --> 00:00:57.820 There's just something really cool about putting a cd. A physical thing, like the, the music's in the thing. 17 00:00:57.980 --> 00:00:58.340 Yeah. 18 00:00:58.340 --> 00:01:01.580 You go, you hold the thing and you put the thing and it's like. Then the music comes out. 19 00:01:01.580 --> 00:01:01.860 Yeah. 20 00:01:01.860 --> 00:01:02.940 And it's like, it's like. 21 00:01:02.940 --> 00:01:03.500 Does it? 22 00:01:06.440 --> 00:01:12.120 Yeah, but, but I, but what I will say is this album for me, yourself, or someone like you. 23 00:01:12.120 --> 00:01:12.680 Yeah. 24 00:01:13.080 --> 00:01:20.120 The songwriting and the lyrics in there have always stuck with me, like, ever since I remember first hearing this on cassette. 25 00:01:20.120 --> 00:01:20.600 Yeah. 26 00:01:20.840 --> 00:01:29.640 And in the car. I remember getting a cassette. This is back. This is back in the day where you didn't always have CD places back in the, like the mid to late 90s. 27 00:01:29.640 --> 00:01:30.600 Yeah, yeah. Got it. 28 00:01:30.850 --> 00:01:33.810 You'd have had a CD player at home. Yeah, but lots of, like. 29 00:01:33.970 --> 00:01:36.770 But you record on a TD90 or whatever it is. 30 00:01:36.850 --> 00:01:49.490 Yeah. You would have had like an SA90. But you'd have. You'd have. You'd have. Yeah. You might not like the car. I remember the car I had at this time did not have a compact display. 31 00:01:49.490 --> 00:01:49.770 No. 32 00:01:49.770 --> 00:01:51.730 Could have fitted one. You could have changed the head unit, maybe. 33 00:01:51.730 --> 00:01:52.250 Yeah, yeah. 34 00:01:52.250 --> 00:01:54.930 But I was, you know, so. 35 00:01:55.330 --> 00:02:02.050 Or you have one of those tape ones where you plug the tape and then it's got a little cable that comes off it and then you have a Walkman that sits on a little platform. 36 00:02:02.050 --> 00:02:03.310 You see, people had them. 37 00:02:03.390 --> 00:02:03.990 Yeah, yeah. 38 00:02:03.990 --> 00:02:05.230 People had them that I didn't have them. 39 00:02:05.230 --> 00:02:06.990 Did you not? I had one of those. Yeah. 40 00:02:06.990 --> 00:02:07.950 I, I just had. 41 00:02:07.950 --> 00:02:12.390 It was very important to me to have. To have music all the days in the car. Yeah. 42 00:02:12.390 --> 00:02:12.670 I. 43 00:02:12.830 --> 00:02:13.550 All the toys. 44 00:02:14.350 --> 00:02:31.910 Your car always feels Like, I'm in a studio, you know? I mean, when your car. There's always cables and things. It's always, like, loads of cables. But no, I. I remember getting this on and I remember, like, listening through it, like, twice, and then a lot of the lyrics to a lot of the songs just, like, imprinted into your brain. 45 00:02:31.910 --> 00:02:32.270 Yeah. 46 00:02:32.270 --> 00:02:35.020 You know, like, some songs take a couple of listens. 47 00:02:35.020 --> 00:02:39.420 Yeah, yeah. No, this is straight that. It is every song's immediate, this one. 48 00:02:39.420 --> 00:02:44.100 The writing and the word, the hooks and. And it's the storytelling. Like, you. 49 00:02:44.340 --> 00:02:44.700 You. 50 00:02:44.700 --> 00:02:48.620 You hear the song. You hear the first bar of the song. If. A couple of bars and you. Oh, God. 51 00:02:48.620 --> 00:02:49.860 And you feel like you've known it forever. 52 00:02:49.860 --> 00:02:50.260 Yeah. 53 00:02:50.980 --> 00:02:51.540 And then. 54 00:02:51.700 --> 00:03:12.510 And then you're on that story, like the. The 3am or push or. Do you know what I mean? It's this. It's the story. It reminds me massively of Alanis Morissette that put you in a position and tell you, you know, by 3am for me, is just epic. Just the way. And the way he weaves the. The lyrics. 55 00:03:12.510 --> 00:03:13.070 Yeah. 56 00:03:13.550 --> 00:03:23.510 For that. So. And the story. And it was. It was. It's kind of all written about him caring for his. His. Yeah. His mommy, she was dying of cancer and she. 57 00:03:23.510 --> 00:03:23.830 She. 58 00:03:23.830 --> 00:03:48.220 She wasn't well and. And I don't know, there's just something about that that just kind of hits you. It's just like, you know, I mean, it's just. Just epic. Absolutely epic. And tons of this stuff was like that. For me, this record. It was. I. I always felt it's one of those records where I learned. There's a few records like this for me, where I just kind of don't get that people don't like it. 59 00:03:48.220 --> 00:03:48.500 No. 60 00:03:48.500 --> 00:03:52.340 Like, I literally can't. Like. Like, I kind of feel like I'm gonna have some kind of seizure. 61 00:03:52.340 --> 00:03:52.980 Yeah. Yeah. 62 00:03:53.140 --> 00:03:57.580 When someone tells me, if somebody says I don't. Either I've never heard of it or I don't like it. 63 00:03:57.580 --> 00:03:58.340 Yeah. Yeah. 64 00:03:58.500 --> 00:04:07.460 You know, and. Yeah. I'm just like, what. What do you mean? I don't. It's. It's. I think it's that good. I don't. I just don't understand how anybody cannot love it. 65 00:04:07.460 --> 00:04:08.020 Yeah. Yeah. 66 00:04:08.020 --> 00:04:08.580 It's bizarre. 67 00:04:08.580 --> 00:04:08.820 Yeah. 68 00:04:08.820 --> 00:04:15.300 And I also don't get how. But here in the UK, like, I think it's all. At 20 million copies worldwide. 69 00:04:15.380 --> 00:04:17.820 Yeah. Yeah, yeah. It just didn't. It didn't happen here. 70 00:04:17.820 --> 00:04:25.020 We didn't get it. Like, I know a handful of people that. That know matchbox 20 and. And like I guess our fans. 71 00:04:25.020 --> 00:04:29.700 Yeah, yeah. So what? So my first, first ever band that. 72 00:04:30.560 --> 00:04:30.960 Yeah. 73 00:04:31.200 --> 00:04:35.640 Was called Fade. Yeah. Then it was called Lightheaded for a bit as well. 74 00:04:35.640 --> 00:04:36.480 It's very 90s. 75 00:04:36.480 --> 00:04:39.560 Yeah, yeah, it was good. And it had Dave House in it. 76 00:04:39.560 --> 00:04:40.800 Oh, I like Housey. 77 00:04:41.360 --> 00:04:43.280 And he had Rich Onion and Eddie 78 00:04:43.280 --> 00:04:45.040 G. He's a good drummer, isn't it? 79 00:04:45.040 --> 00:05:00.440 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Andy's a drummer. Yeah, yeah. And that he G played bass. And they've just put the band back together again. Three piece. Yeah. Well, I don't know what I think they're called Coke Bottom Lane. And that was what they used to be called when they were at school before I got involved, if that makes any sense. 80 00:05:00.440 --> 00:05:01.360 Yeah, yeah, okay. Yeah. 81 00:05:01.360 --> 00:05:06.580 So they were. They did like a band thing called Coke Bomb Lane and they've just, they've just pulled it back together to do a little gig together. 82 00:05:06.580 --> 00:05:12.660 Cuz how. He was doing some stuff. Wasn't he on his own? He was doing some stuff. He did. That's Dave's. Dave's Used Cars. 83 00:05:12.660 --> 00:09:38.160 Yes. Yeah, yeah. That was the Buffet Anxiety Project. I like that. But they, they, yeah, they, they, they did this song. They did Push. Caving in and I don't know if I've ever been really loved by a hand that's touched me and I feel like something's gonna hook you up and I'm a little bit angry. Oh wow. This ain't over no, not here not while I still need you Forever. You don't owe me we're not changing yeah, we just might feel good. I wanna push you around well I will, well I will I wanna push you down well I will well I will I wanna take you for granted I wanna take you for granted and I will. I. Said I don't know why he ever would lie to me Like I'm a little untrusted When I think that the truth is going to hurt you And I don't know why you couldn't just still with me you couldn't stand up be near me when my face don't seem to want to shine Cause it's a little bit dirty oh well don't you stand in there say nice things to me Cause I've been cheated I've been wrong with you you don't know me all I can't take a well I won't do anything at all I wanna push you around well I will, well I will I wanna push you down well I will well I will I wanna take you for granted I wanna take you for granted Hell, hell well, I will all don't bow me over Just wait a man Hard things get so crazy Crazy don't rush this, baby don't rush this, baby baby I wanna push you around well, I will well, I will I wanna push you down well, I will well, I will I wanna take you for yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah I want to take you, take you, yeah well, I will, I will, I will, I will, I will, I will How? Well, yeah. I wanna push you around well, I. I wrote a song about the idea of, you know, like, the way that I felt I was being done wrong in a relationship, but I kind of felt like me whining didn't sound as fun. So I thought, like, you know, putting yourself in the other position and writing, you know, about what you. You know, you. And it was all emotional manipulation. If you go through the rest of the song, you can obviously tell that it's. It's about, you know, emotionally pushing somebody's buttons to try and see, you know, how they're gonna respond. But just, you know, a lot of people don't listen to. I mean, some people don't listen to the point where I've had people come to me and say, you know, push was my wedding. And I'm just like, wow, you. You really never listened to it, did you? Because that's a horrible wedding song. You guys are doomed. You know, I was into heavy stuff. 84 00:09:38.160 --> 00:09:38.560 Yeah. 85 00:09:38.560 --> 00:09:44.120 So I was kind of like into the punky stuff. And they. They really like their kind of like pop rock. 86 00:09:44.120 --> 00:09:45.840 This is quite smooth. This is. 87 00:09:45.840 --> 00:09:46.920 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 88 00:09:46.920 --> 00:09:50.480 It got lumped, I think in the US this got lumped into what would be post grunge. 89 00:09:50.480 --> 00:09:50.880 Yeah. 90 00:09:51.680 --> 00:09:58.640 But it's weird for me, this is. It's like. It's got like a different vibe to it. It's far more like collective soul. 91 00:09:58.640 --> 00:09:59.120 Yes. 92 00:09:59.120 --> 00:10:04.230 Or Third Eye Blind. Is that kind of. It's quite poppy. It's guitar. 93 00:10:04.230 --> 00:10:04.950 Really easy. 94 00:10:05.030 --> 00:10:13.470 You know, I. I listened to another album this week, which, again, I'm really, really keen to do, and that's America's Least Wanted by Ugly Kid Joe. 95 00:10:13.470 --> 00:10:14.110 Okay. Yeah. Yeah. 96 00:10:14.110 --> 00:10:32.430 And I was convinced. I thought that I. Yeah. In my brain, I was thinking, oh, yeah, they're a similar time. Honestly, there's that Those are so different. Like, the texture of those records. Like, the Ugly Kid Joe is quite guitari and thick and driven and. Do you know what I mean? It's got like a. Like a weight to it. 97 00:10:32.430 --> 00:10:32.860 Yeah. 98 00:10:33.570 --> 00:10:47.090 This just feels, like, effortless. It feels Kind of like. I don't know that. You know, it's quite. I'd say, like. But I mean, it's. It's a. It's a very polished record. Very produced. 99 00:10:47.330 --> 00:10:47.650 Very. 100 00:10:47.650 --> 00:10:52.930 Click. It was. You know, there's not a note out of place. 101 00:10:52.930 --> 00:10:53.250 No. 102 00:10:53.250 --> 00:10:56.810 On this. On this record doesn't sound like a rock. You know, it doesn't sound like a rock and roll. 103 00:10:56.810 --> 00:10:58.450 And I think that's why I didn't get it. 104 00:10:58.610 --> 00:10:59.490 Yeah. Yeah. 105 00:10:59.490 --> 00:11:03.090 I listen to it now and I go, oh, I love all these guitars. Like, the acoustic sounds. Beautiful. 106 00:11:03.090 --> 00:11:03.490 Yeah. 107 00:11:03.490 --> 00:11:09.150 The electrics are cl. Crystal clear. And listening to it now, I go, actually, I don't know what. I don't know why I missed this. 108 00:11:09.150 --> 00:11:09.550 Yeah. 109 00:11:09.790 --> 00:11:15.710 But then back in the day, I was like. Actually, I like really gnarly stuff. I was really. I was just getting into heavy stuff. 110 00:11:15.710 --> 00:11:16.110 Yeah. 111 00:11:16.350 --> 00:11:23.550 I was just exploring Fear Factory and corn and, you know, Green Day, the Offspring with my diet. 112 00:11:23.630 --> 00:11:24.510 So. Yeah. Yeah. 113 00:11:24.510 --> 00:11:27.390 So I was into that sort of sound. And it's a totally different animal, this. 114 00:11:27.390 --> 00:11:28.070 It is. 115 00:11:28.070 --> 00:11:30.860 And, you know, if you're into that stuff, you're not into this stuff, I think. 116 00:11:31.170 --> 00:11:44.810 Yeah. It's easy to forget, isn't it? Like, it's weird, don't you think? Like, now coming back to it, you can, like. I feel like I can enjoy all of this music from. From the 90s, like, and. But at the time, you couldn't. 117 00:11:44.810 --> 00:11:46.050 No, no. 118 00:11:46.050 --> 00:11:59.210 And, like. Like, say, for the. This one for me landed. They just kind of caught me by surprise a little bit and. But again, it was really out of my sphere, really. This one was. This would have been a. I don't know. It's one of those albums that, like, makes you happy. 119 00:11:59.210 --> 00:11:59.730 Yeah. 120 00:11:59.810 --> 00:12:13.150 Whereas most of the music I liked was super heavy and. But this is. This is. This is one that I would have. Yeah, this is one that I would have. I would have put on in the car and sang to and it would have kind of perked me up a little bit. 121 00:12:13.150 --> 00:12:13.950 Yeah, totally. 122 00:12:14.830 --> 00:12:18.390 And there is. Do, you know, think as well. It's aged really well. 123 00:12:18.390 --> 00:12:24.270 Yeah, it really has, I think. I think, you know, if. If. Is it 25 years old about now? Is it. 124 00:12:24.270 --> 00:12:24.830 I think so. 125 00:12:25.150 --> 00:12:27.310 It might be a bit longer. Oh, no, it's a bit longer. 126 00:12:27.310 --> 00:12:36.370 Yeah. 96. So. 96. So you're dealing with 96. 96. 2006. 30 years old. 127 00:12:36.370 --> 00:12:38.050 Years old. Yeah. So it's. So it's. 128 00:12:38.050 --> 00:12:39.410 Yes, that's a lot in it. 129 00:12:39.570 --> 00:12:45.810 You know, there's kind of a 90s feel to music at the minute, like new stuff that's coming out. 130 00:12:45.970 --> 00:12:46.450 Yeah. 131 00:12:46.930 --> 00:12:53.290 And I think if people kind of dial back into this. Yeah, I think they'd really enjoy it. I think. I think there might be a bit of a resurgence. 132 00:12:53.290 --> 00:12:58.770 You know, my youngest has been doing YouTube shorts. He likes Lego and Formula One. 133 00:12:58.770 --> 00:12:59.250 Yeah. 134 00:12:59.250 --> 00:13:07.310 And he's been doing like making of Lego and other bits and pieces and it's been recording himself and putting, you know, putting it in the shorts. And they keep using 90s music. 135 00:13:07.310 --> 00:13:09.950 Yeah. A lot of Nirvana and stuff. Yeah. 136 00:13:10.270 --> 00:13:36.730 I keep hearing it and thinking, what are you doing? Yeah. And then you kind of go in like. And it's like, oh, no. And he looks at me, he's really funny. He's like, what is this? Is this not a good Nirvana song? But, yeah, I think there is a resurgence for sure. There's definitely a resurgence. My Facebook feed is full of really cool new bands at the minute that are in that. Not necessarily all kind of like this, but. 137 00:13:36.730 --> 00:13:39.090 But I think the guitar's back, isn't it? 138 00:13:39.090 --> 00:13:56.360 Yeah. The 90s vibe is just like pop punk. There's some really cool, like, punk stuff happening. There's some really. I think some really cool metal stuff happening as well, which I think is. Is. Is really, really cool. You know, hot kind of hard rock stuff is. Yeah, he's. It's coming back. 139 00:13:56.360 --> 00:13:59.480 Long may it continue. That's what I say. I like guitar music. 140 00:13:59.560 --> 00:14:03.080 I could tolerate. I. I struggle with not guitar music. 141 00:14:03.080 --> 00:14:03.640 Yeah. 142 00:14:03.800 --> 00:14:07.160 I just. I don't know. How do people listen to not guitar? 143 00:14:07.240 --> 00:14:11.760 I can. I like it, but I don't enjoy it, if that makes sense. Boring. Yeah. 144 00:14:11.760 --> 00:14:12.280 Hey, so. 145 00:14:13.560 --> 00:14:14.040 Yeah. 146 00:14:14.200 --> 00:14:18.680 Just stop it. What's that all about? 147 00:14:18.680 --> 00:14:19.160 Yeah. 148 00:14:19.160 --> 00:14:22.930 I don't get it. Anyway, you know. You know, we've been talking about the album and that. 149 00:14:23.160 --> 00:14:23.320 Yeah. 150 00:14:23.320 --> 00:14:29.840 And we've got. I wanted to ask you what you've been doing. I know we normally do this at the beginning. I feel like we've not had. 151 00:14:29.840 --> 00:14:30.720 Yeah, we had a couple of weeks. 152 00:14:30.720 --> 00:14:34.320 I've not seen you for two weeks. I know you've been on holiday and I don't want to know what you've been doing. 153 00:14:34.320 --> 00:14:37.480 I've not been on holiday. I've been working away. Oh, is that what you were doing? 154 00:14:38.360 --> 00:14:39.279 I thought you were on holiday. 155 00:14:39.279 --> 00:14:41.000 No, I was in Brighton at a conference. 156 00:14:41.160 --> 00:14:42.440 Oh, were you at the Dome? 157 00:14:43.080 --> 00:14:48.680 No, I was at the. No, it was actually. It was the Brighton Center. I got all totally wrong. 158 00:14:49.000 --> 00:15:00.820 I, like, I have a conference at 1. A conference once a year in Brighton and I love it. It's favorite. Normally conferences are in big, sterile and they're not, you know, they're just in big, big brooms. 159 00:15:00.820 --> 00:15:01.140 Yeah. 160 00:15:01.140 --> 00:15:06.580 Just. I mean. And you feel. I find them soul destroying because as you walk in the door, there's so bloody many. 161 00:15:06.580 --> 00:15:07.020 Yeah. 162 00:15:07.020 --> 00:15:08.420 You just feel like a number. 163 00:15:08.500 --> 00:15:08.900 Yeah. 164 00:15:08.900 --> 00:15:10.380 You feel so insignificant. 165 00:15:10.380 --> 00:15:11.260 Yeah, yeah. 166 00:15:11.260 --> 00:15:33.120 And like. And like often for me, I'm, I'm. I'm speaking, I'm an important, I'm really important. But you walk in the door and there's millions of. And you just think, oh God, if I died no one had noticed. Like literally. I don't think anyone would notice so many people here. And I find them just, just soul dest anyway are the ones that we haven't have one in Brighton. And there's just something. I think there's just something about the place. 167 00:15:33.200 --> 00:15:33.800 Yeah, yeah. 168 00:15:33.800 --> 00:15:36.800 And it's just. I don't know, it's. I think it's been on the coast as well. 169 00:15:36.880 --> 00:15:45.440 Yeah, I like it. I quite like I've been before and I don't think I saw enough of it. It's cool. Yeah. But it's a cool place. I enjoyed it and I'm gonna go again. 170 00:15:45.440 --> 00:15:47.440 They've got a lovely vegan fish and chip shop. 171 00:15:47.440 --> 00:15:47.880 Are they? 172 00:15:47.880 --> 00:15:56.290 Which I like. I go and have that. It makes me feel a bit sick if I'm honest, but I always don't. I go and shove it in my face. Yeah, yeah, yeah, ram it in. It's lovely. 173 00:15:56.770 --> 00:16:06.850 I enjoyed that. So that was good. And then. Yeah, did a bit of studio stuff and recording. Yeah, it's been nice. Been a good couple of weeks really. But it meant that our usual weekend, Saturday, Sunday night type. 174 00:16:06.850 --> 00:16:13.170 Oh yeah, yeah. I'm sure everybody, I'm sure everybody understands why we're a bit late. I was just a bit curious, that was all. Yeah. 175 00:16:13.730 --> 00:16:15.090 And you've been building, you've been building 176 00:16:15.090 --> 00:16:52.570 apps I've been doing. Because I'm a bit of a nerd, as we've discussed previously. But we've got Artemis going, going to the moon and I wrote a tracker for the ISS and the Chinese space station and a bunch of other satellites as well. So you can go on to like ISS info and it will, it will give you this stuff and I wanted to do a tracker for Artemis and I thought everyone would be doing them. So anyway, I did it and lots of people did do them, but they're all really bad and I think the fact that we spent such a lot of time doing the Other ones? Yeah, ours was, like, pretty clean and clear. 177 00:16:52.650 --> 00:16:53.130 Yeah. 178 00:16:53.290 --> 00:17:13.130 And it's just been really busy, so I've just been trying to. It's one of the, you know, people say, oh, it's gone viral. Yeah, it was a bit like that. I think like150,000 people hit the site in the first few hours and then I spent, like the rest of the day trying to figure out how to keep it up and keep it running. And, like, you know, I didn't think. 179 00:17:13.530 --> 00:17:15.890 No, you just. Yeah, I didn't think that far ahead, to be honest. 180 00:17:15.890 --> 00:17:19.290 I just thought, oh, this would be cool. I can keep an eye on what's going on. And then all of a sudden I think it got. 181 00:17:19.370 --> 00:17:25.110 Well, I think a lot of the. Because all of the different bits you. Bits and bobs you're making is, like, stuff that you're interested in, isn't it? 182 00:17:25.110 --> 00:17:25.430 Yeah. 183 00:17:25.430 --> 00:17:27.110 And you're just kind of doing stuff that you like. 184 00:17:27.110 --> 00:17:30.590 Yeah, I can't do stuff that I'm not interested in, but. 185 00:17:30.590 --> 00:17:35.190 But it's just that thing where I suppose when other people suddenly find it interesting as well. That must be quite. 186 00:17:35.190 --> 00:17:48.540 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's good, yeah, it's been good. It's been good. I will. I will say the number one request for. For the Artemis tracker, because I did everything in, like this. The space crew are quite. Quite nerdy. 187 00:17:48.540 --> 00:17:48.940 Yeah. 188 00:17:49.340 --> 00:18:02.620 I mean, as you'd expect. Right. So. So I aligned everything to the standard NASA SI units and did everything by the book. And then, like, treble checked that I was using exactly the right space terminology. 189 00:18:02.620 --> 00:18:03.060 Yeah. 190 00:18:03.060 --> 00:18:12.900 No one was going to give me, you know. Oh, I think you're fine. Yeah, I knew that was coming. So I did all of that and I was really pleased with myself. And the single biggest request was, can you not put it in miles per 191 00:18:12.900 --> 00:18:15.610 hour for the Americans. 192 00:18:15.610 --> 00:18:24.050 Yeah. So most of our audience are American, so. So I did that for you. But I wish. I wish you'd all just. Just used meters and stuff, like. 193 00:18:26.210 --> 00:18:29.850 So what's that called? Is that metric or is that Imperial? What's the. What's the difference? I can't remember. 194 00:18:29.850 --> 00:18:51.100 Imperial was like the one that was invented by a drunken monkey. And then. And then. And I say this like, lovingly a little bit, because as much as I make fun of Imperial units, because they are bonkers and. And metric is significantly better, but here in the uk, yeah, we use metric and Imperial mixed with. 195 00:18:51.100 --> 00:18:51.740 No. With no. 196 00:18:52.060 --> 00:18:57.739 No rhyme or reason. So it is just. It is utter insanity here. So at least when you in. 197 00:18:57.739 --> 00:18:58.140 In. 198 00:18:58.140 --> 00:18:59.420 In the United States. 199 00:18:59.420 --> 00:18:59.820 Yeah. 200 00:18:59.820 --> 00:19:00.700 They use Imperial. 201 00:19:00.700 --> 00:19:00.940 Yeah. 202 00:19:00.940 --> 00:19:06.220 And they're very proud of using Imperial and they'll defend Imperial. They really like it, like miles. They're like feet. 203 00:19:06.380 --> 00:19:06.860 Yeah. 204 00:19:06.860 --> 00:19:07.660 Big fans of that. 205 00:19:07.660 --> 00:19:08.020 Yeah. 206 00:19:08.650 --> 00:19:14.410 Here in the uk, if I want to go and buy a tire, the diameter of the tire is in inches. 207 00:19:14.410 --> 00:19:14.890 Yeah. 208 00:19:14.970 --> 00:19:23.850 The width of the tire is in millimeters. And the height of the tire wall is a ratio between the two. 209 00:19:25.210 --> 00:19:33.930 I think. I think it's about balance, though, isn't it? I think it's about. I think we're very inclusive. We want everyone to win and I think that's why we've chosen to use all the different ones. 210 00:19:33.930 --> 00:19:36.730 It's just nuts. We've got you by. You buy pints. 211 00:19:36.730 --> 00:19:37.090 Yeah. 212 00:19:37.720 --> 00:19:44.640 That are actually served in liters. So we buy a pint and you actually get like 0.7 of a liter. If you look at what they give you. 213 00:19:44.640 --> 00:19:45.400 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 214 00:19:45.400 --> 00:19:53.520 You get like. It's just insanity in this country. It's mad. Look, I'm a big. I do like. I do like the. I do like metric. 215 00:19:53.520 --> 00:19:53.800 Yeah. 216 00:19:53.800 --> 00:19:55.520 It's my favorite. I think if I was. If. 217 00:19:55.520 --> 00:19:56.760 What's that then? What's metric? 218 00:19:56.920 --> 00:19:58.920 Metric is like meters and kilometers. 219 00:19:59.240 --> 00:19:59.640 Yeah. 220 00:19:59.640 --> 00:20:00.320 Tens, right? 221 00:20:00.320 --> 00:20:00.560 Yeah. 222 00:20:00.560 --> 00:20:02.400 But if. If I was king of the universe. Right. 223 00:20:02.400 --> 00:20:02.600 Yeah. 224 00:20:02.600 --> 00:20:16.460 If I was like. Like chief of the. Of the all of the knowing world, I'd. I would do two things overnight. One, I'd get r. Daylight savings because it's stupid. It's just utter stupidity. Just stop. And the second thing is. 225 00:20:16.460 --> 00:20:16.900 Yeah. 226 00:20:16.980 --> 00:20:22.420 Like just. Just force metric everywhere. 227 00:20:22.420 --> 00:20:22.900 Yeah. 228 00:20:23.300 --> 00:20:27.100 And that's it. And then I just go to bed. 229 00:20:27.100 --> 00:20:28.580 Would that solve everything, do you think? 230 00:20:28.660 --> 00:20:29.460 Yeah, I don't. 231 00:20:29.460 --> 00:20:36.800 Or all the current. Because there's lots of tensions in the world. You know what I mean? So you think so just sort sort metric out. 232 00:20:36.950 --> 00:20:37.430 All the water. 233 00:20:38.470 --> 00:20:41.150 All the water in all the two things. They'll start stopping. 234 00:20:41.150 --> 00:20:44.510 Yeah. Just. Just. No daylight savings, you said. Get your message. 235 00:20:44.510 --> 00:20:44.870 Yeah. 236 00:20:44.870 --> 00:21:00.590 LAUGHING that's it. Nobel Prize, absolute disaster. Do you know, they didn't. They didn't do it here in the uk, so there was a big push in the. Oh, I was in the 70s or the 80s that. To move. To move to metric. 237 00:21:00.590 --> 00:21:01.110 Yeah. 238 00:21:01.350 --> 00:21:09.070 And they said that it wouldn't like the British population are too stupid to switch from miles per hour. 239 00:21:09.070 --> 00:21:09.790 Yeah. To kilometers. 240 00:21:09.790 --> 00:21:22.550 Kilometers per hour. And that we would all just die. So we would. We would get into our cars tomorrow and not be able to read the road signs and just, Just don't kill ourselves, which I just think is brilliant. 241 00:21:22.550 --> 00:21:25.790 Yeah. Yeah. That's a lot of faith, isn't it, in your populace. That's what that is. 242 00:21:25.790 --> 00:21:41.650 It's rubbish, isn't it? But, yeah. No. So as much as I don't like Imperial, I think the US have got it right. Pick one. Just pick one. Stick with it. That's it. Just whatever you do, don't let them convince you that having both is a good thing, my American friends, because it's bloody well not. 243 00:21:51.570 --> 00:25:36.900 She don't. She will. He sells anything to keep her by him. She takes what she gets and she never did flinch, no sober and over Will anyone wealth any mind would think that's all she gets. If you want you can get to know me well we get along so we shouldn't argue Real and I don't know else if I don't now know all these feelings cloud up my reasoning. We had a cloud of my resort now. Well I know but I still believe in ignorance My best defense so go on, wreck me Find out how I carry on and not be taken over I will not roll over on anyone. Cause anyone will stand up on my side. If you want you can get to know me well, we get along so we shouldn't argue yeah and I don't know El said I don't know now all these females Cloud of my reason Cloud of my reasoning. You know it's funny how sometimes it don't work out like you want to know you're never getting nothing at all when the she tells you that it's over. Oh boy. Don't you hate it when it's over? I guess something just got lost and it deeply saddens me so over and over Will anyone Hey, anyone. If you want you can get to know me well, we get along so we shouldn't. Are you real and I don't know Yes, I don't know now all these feelings they cloud up my reason now we belong so we should. I hear it out. We belong so we should argue. When you spend years, you know, writing and working on a record and getting it together and you. You're really proud of it and you put it out there. We just wanted to get to a point critically where if you don't like what we do, there's nothing that we can do to help you. I understand that there's certain people that just don't like the cut of our jib. They don't like the music that we make, that kind of a thing. But I think that we've Gotten to a point where we do what we do really, really well. And so I think over the years now we've gotten more reviewed on the way that we do what we do and not so much. We would get reviews of people that come to our show and they'd be like, the audience loves it. They sound just like the. They put on a great show. They're a tight band. I friggin hate them. You know, and you're like, well, that's not fair. But you know, over the years, I mean, you know, we've managed to have a lot of success. We've been really fortunate. We've been doing it long enough that we kind of know now when we put out a record, we have a certain group that we're putting that record out for. And so now as you know, getting into your 40s, you stop kind of playing the please love me game everywhere you go. Like, come on, please, please. You know, and you just put out your records and hope people come see you play and then, you know, know, just get enough so you can put out another record. 244 00:25:36.900 --> 00:25:37.260 Yeah. 245 00:25:37.260 --> 00:25:45.980 Can we talk about Tabitha's Secret and all that lot labels and the formation of the band? 246 00:25:48.300 --> 00:25:52.220 So they were all in a band called Tabitha's Secret, I think. 247 00:25:53.100 --> 00:25:53.980 Were they all in it? 248 00:25:54.940 --> 00:25:56.620 Rob was in it, but also Matt. 249 00:25:56.620 --> 00:26:00.470 Matt Seletic Masaletta, the producer. Producer, yeah. 250 00:26:00.870 --> 00:26:04.950 He was involved with Tabitha's Secret. I think he signed them. 251 00:26:05.190 --> 00:26:05.630 Yeah. 252 00:26:05.630 --> 00:26:24.550 Like he got them signed to. To a deal. Tabitha's Secret. And that was the kind of the band that. That Rob Thomas is in. He. So a bunch of songs that ended up on yourself or someone like you that were initially created. I guess Rob initially wrote them while he was in Tabitha's Secret. 253 00:26:24.630 --> 00:26:27.270 Yeah. But it's different guys, right? 254 00:26:27.270 --> 00:26:28.590 Different. Yeah, completely different guys. 255 00:26:28.590 --> 00:26:35.250 Rob Thomas and different guys. And they were doing gigs, got the label interest, they got the producer interest. 256 00:26:35.330 --> 00:26:35.770 Yeah. 257 00:26:35.770 --> 00:26:37.410 But then that band folded. 258 00:26:37.730 --> 00:26:48.130 You kind. Yeah, kind of. What? And then Rob. Well, it was a little bit to. Rob walked away. Right. It was. It was a little bit un. Like unhappy. There was. It was pretty acrimonious. 259 00:26:48.210 --> 00:26:50.130 Yeah. Does that mean bad? 260 00:26:50.290 --> 00:26:50.690 Bad? 261 00:26:50.690 --> 00:26:51.170 Yeah. 262 00:26:51.170 --> 00:26:55.170 B, A D. So. So they. That was bad. They didn't get on. They're quite unhappy. 263 00:26:55.170 --> 00:26:55.650 Yeah. 264 00:26:55.890 --> 00:26:59.490 Interestingly, Matt Seletics still stuck with Rob Thomas then. 265 00:26:59.490 --> 00:26:59.810 Yeah. 266 00:26:59.810 --> 00:27:02.170 Rob Thomas put together Matchbox 20, but 267 00:27:02.170 --> 00:27:03.170 still use some of those old. 268 00:27:03.170 --> 00:27:07.110 So then. Yeah, a bunch of. Well, they're from his perspective, they're his songs. 269 00:27:07.110 --> 00:27:07.550 Yeah. 270 00:27:07.870 --> 00:27:16.710 Now 3am was a really interesting one because 3am ended up on yourself or someone like you. Yeah. Tabitha's Secret also put out the same song. Did what? 271 00:27:16.710 --> 00:27:17.750 With a different singer. 272 00:27:17.750 --> 00:27:27.350 Different singer, same words. Yeah, different singer. Different. Yeah, same word. But it's interesting because obviously it was quite a personal. I don't know. I like. I kind of get it. It's a great song. 273 00:27:27.350 --> 00:27:27.790 Yeah. 274 00:27:28.110 --> 00:27:40.650 But it's a song that Rob wrote about a personal experience to him. Yeah. Yeah. And it's interesting. So I. I don't know. I don't know how I feel about it. 275 00:27:40.730 --> 00:28:09.490 Yeah. No. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's like. Yeah. As. As a songwriter. Unless we had a nice conversation about it and we weren't acrimonious and everything was nice, and they were like, look, we wrote. We. We played. We played this song together. It kind of came to life while we were doing it. Is it okay if we still do something with it? You kind of, like, in my world, you agree the split. You agree the. The. The terms of that, and then. And then you see what happens. But this seems like they didn't talk and they just did it anyway. 276 00:28:09.490 --> 00:28:11.690 I think so. And Tabitha's Secret, actually. 277 00:28:13.450 --> 00:28:15.930 Do they have someone singing that sound like Rob Thomas as well? 278 00:28:16.170 --> 00:28:26.490 It doesn't. It's interesting. It doesn't. It doesn't sound like the same song to me. It is the same song. Same lyrics, same structure. Really? Different song. 279 00:28:26.490 --> 00:28:26.890 Yeah. 280 00:28:29.910 --> 00:28:31.670 Not different songs. Not the right word. 281 00:28:31.750 --> 00:28:38.070 So. So wait, so the. The version they released had Rob singing as well, Is that right? Or do they do. They did their own version. 282 00:28:38.070 --> 00:28:39.190 I think they did their own version. 283 00:28:39.830 --> 00:28:40.230 Right. 284 00:28:40.470 --> 00:28:40.870 But. 285 00:28:42.150 --> 00:28:42.590 Yeah. 286 00:28:42.590 --> 00:28:46.150 I don't know. Like, I'm not sure how I. I'm not sure how I feel about. 287 00:28:46.230 --> 00:28:46.830 Yeah, yeah. 288 00:28:46.830 --> 00:28:51.870 Right. And I think. I think if it had been a song about, you know, if it had been, like, Motley Crue. 289 00:28:51.870 --> 00:28:52.310 Yeah. 290 00:28:52.470 --> 00:28:53.710 Singing about girls. 291 00:28:53.710 --> 00:28:54.150 Yeah. 292 00:28:54.470 --> 00:28:55.550 You know. All right. 293 00:28:55.550 --> 00:28:55.870 Yeah. 294 00:28:55.870 --> 00:29:02.100 Do you know what I mean? But because it's such a personal story, and I think. Because most of Rob Thomas's songs 295 00:29:05.460 --> 00:29:06.580 autobiographical. 296 00:29:06.580 --> 00:29:08.180 Yeah. They're very storytelling. 297 00:29:08.180 --> 00:29:08.460 Yeah. 298 00:29:08.460 --> 00:29:13.700 Like, there's a lot of the stuff on this album that is, like, rooted in his experience and his. 299 00:29:13.940 --> 00:29:21.380 You know, so it'd be the same as me. Me sort of like suddenly recording Riding the Low songs with all Paddy's lyrics. 300 00:29:21.380 --> 00:29:21.780 Yeah. 301 00:29:22.660 --> 00:29:23.860 It'd be totally wrong. 302 00:29:24.260 --> 00:29:32.600 It's just bizarre. I don't know. I don't know legally what happened, but I know Tabitha's Secret took. But they took the who to court. It wasn't just Rob, Tom. They took the whole Band. 303 00:29:32.600 --> 00:29:33.840 Oh, the whole of matchbox 20. 304 00:29:33.840 --> 00:29:38.040 All of matchbox 20 to. To court. And was this one of those. 305 00:29:38.040 --> 00:29:40.160 That was like years later as well or was it at the time? 306 00:29:40.160 --> 00:29:44.240 No, this was this. Well, I don't think it was much later. I think. I think it was. 307 00:29:44.240 --> 00:29:46.720 Well, because I think cuz the band got big. 308 00:29:46.960 --> 00:29:52.120 Yeah. Cuz when this, when, when this album was launched, what could know what? Like lots of the albums that we talk about. 309 00:29:52.120 --> 00:29:53.720 Yeah. No one got it straight away. 310 00:29:53.720 --> 00:30:12.230 There's no. I think a few hundred albums were sold in the first week and just no one cared. And then eventually it started to gain main traction. Like we had this before. There's a bunch of albums like bush. Yeah. 16 stone. Yeah, it was like this, you know, where eventually they kind of get picked up on the radio and then it makes sense and then all of a sudden. Oh, okay. 311 00:30:12.230 --> 00:30:14.630 We get all of a sudden like Come Down's Massive and glycerin. 312 00:30:14.630 --> 00:30:19.670 But that's what. Yeah, that's what happened here is that no one really got it. And then eventually it started to. 313 00:30:19.990 --> 00:30:22.070 Yeah, yeah, we did 16, didn't we? 314 00:30:22.070 --> 00:30:23.870 Yeah, I love that, I love that. 315 00:30:23.870 --> 00:30:24.310 Yeah. 316 00:30:24.310 --> 00:30:25.870 Finally got the. On CDs in my car. 317 00:30:25.870 --> 00:30:26.430 Yeah. Yeah. 318 00:30:26.430 --> 00:30:27.350 On the compact disc. 319 00:30:27.510 --> 00:30:33.570 It's probably worth. It's probably worth the saying that like if you enjoy is your first time listening to this. 320 00:30:33.570 --> 00:30:33.890 Yeah. 321 00:30:33.890 --> 00:30:35.370 We've got quite a few of these now, haven't we? 322 00:30:35.370 --> 00:30:36.130 Yeah, loads. 323 00:30:36.130 --> 00:30:55.090 And you're like, you might want to have dive in and we're getting, we're getting probably. Probably getting worse at it. But. There's some that. They're absolutely pearlers. I mean, you know, it's worth it, it's worth it just to explore the law of like fruit pastels of bongo Cokes, to be honest. I mean that's the. 324 00:30:55.090 --> 00:31:04.190 Yeah. If you don't know what fruit pastels and bongo Cokes is, what are you even doing? Just go, go back, go back and figure that out. That's really cool. You'll get us moaning about being a 325 00:31:04.190 --> 00:31:06.950 lot and cold and old, not being 326 00:31:06.950 --> 00:31:08.270 able to get up. Yeah. 327 00:31:08.430 --> 00:31:09.950 Wheeze. Oh, wheeze. 328 00:31:09.950 --> 00:31:20.149 A lot of talking about wheeze. Yeah. And then. And going to gigs and not. We're not going to gig because you have to stand up. It's like it's just people. It's just us whinging, isn't it? 329 00:31:20.149 --> 00:31:20.870 Yeah, yeah, that's it. 330 00:31:20.870 --> 00:31:22.190 Praising the fruit pastels. 331 00:31:22.190 --> 00:31:22.550 Yeah. 332 00:31:22.550 --> 00:31:25.670 Enjoying the. The bongo Cokes and then. Which is good. 333 00:31:25.670 --> 00:31:27.790 Yeah, we had Bongo Cokes tonight, didn't we actually? We didn't have to. 334 00:31:27.870 --> 00:31:29.470 And we've got some of Lindsay's fruit pastels. 335 00:31:29.470 --> 00:31:31.020 Yeah, yeah, thanks, Linds. 336 00:31:31.020 --> 00:31:32.780 Lindy sent us some, some red and 337 00:31:32.780 --> 00:31:40.460 black fruit pastels which, but they've actually got them in. Well, that la. The last time we went in we had. Because obviously there's a global sources now of everything because. Everything because of like the war. 338 00:31:40.620 --> 00:31:40.980 Yeah. 339 00:31:40.980 --> 00:31:46.300 But then, you know, maybe free past, like. 340 00:31:46.459 --> 00:31:49.340 Oh God, it's only Fools and Horses, isn't it? Yeah. 341 00:31:49.580 --> 00:31:56.460 No water, but. But I think we might be all right with fruit pastels for a bit. For a bit, yeah. 342 00:31:56.460 --> 00:31:58.460 Mr. Didn't you meet Mr. Round Trees or something? 343 00:31:58.460 --> 00:32:00.460 No, I put in. There was a bid that I put in. 344 00:32:00.460 --> 00:32:02.100 Oh, you're asking. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 345 00:32:02.100 --> 00:32:03.080 See happens with that. 346 00:32:03.080 --> 00:32:08.200 Yeah, we thought, I, I, I thought we were going to meet the man who invented. We're gonna meet the person. 347 00:32:08.200 --> 00:32:08.760 Yeah, yeah. 348 00:32:08.760 --> 00:32:09.960 Who invented fruit pastels. 349 00:32:09.960 --> 00:32:12.360 But I think what we'll do is like, if it's a successful bid. 350 00:32:12.360 --> 00:32:12.840 Yeah. 351 00:32:12.840 --> 00:32:16.520 That I put in, then we'll say like, look, do you also know that we like. 352 00:32:16.520 --> 00:32:18.440 Do you know who invented true Pasta? 353 00:32:19.720 --> 00:32:28.040 That we also do a podcast. But it's really important that each week we have red and black food pastels and actually, you know, sometimes the shop doesn't have them. Would you like to send us some? 354 00:32:29.400 --> 00:32:42.260 God, Jesus. Of all the things that are happening in the, of the, all of the people, all of the, the suffering and pain and we're like sitting here winging either. Winging is too cold. 355 00:32:42.420 --> 00:32:42.820 Yeah. 356 00:32:42.820 --> 00:32:43.700 With our heater on. 357 00:32:43.700 --> 00:32:44.100 Yeah. 358 00:32:44.180 --> 00:32:51.820 Or complaining that we've got the wrong color fruit pastels. First world problems. Yeah, it isn't it, but yeah, it means a lot. Fruit pastels. 359 00:32:51.820 --> 00:32:56.540 Yeah. It doesn't quite feel. Cuz also we've got the Diet Cokes tonight. Not the Coke Zeros. 360 00:32:56.540 --> 00:32:57.700 No, I don't, I am. 361 00:32:57.700 --> 00:33:00.420 And it's like the color, the color coordination isn't quite right. 362 00:33:01.300 --> 00:33:02.960 I prefer the Diet ate Coke. 363 00:33:02.960 --> 00:33:03.880 But. Yeah. 364 00:33:03.880 --> 00:33:05.080 Since we've been doing this. 365 00:33:05.160 --> 00:33:05.640 Yeah. 366 00:33:05.720 --> 00:33:07.560 Well, I've kind of switched allegiance a little bit. 367 00:33:07.560 --> 00:33:08.080 Have you? 368 00:33:08.080 --> 00:33:13.320 Yeah, yeah. Normally I wouldn't even think about it. I just walk in, shiny silver can in my face now. 369 00:33:13.560 --> 00:33:14.040 Yeah. 370 00:33:14.600 --> 00:33:15.480 The Coke Zero. 371 00:33:15.640 --> 00:33:16.960 No, I'm a Coke 0. 1. 372 00:33:16.960 --> 00:33:19.560 Yeah. No, I've gone, I've gone for the Coke Zero a lot lately. 373 00:33:19.640 --> 00:33:28.440 Yeah, yeah, I think there's that. And then because it's red and black as well, isn't it? On the can. So oh, my God. 374 00:33:30.560 --> 00:33:38.720 Oh, dear, dear, dear. Let's talk about the name. Yeah, well, there's two things I want to talk about, so we'll. We'll come Back to the 3am thing in a sec. 375 00:33:38.720 --> 00:33:39.360 Yeah. Okay. 376 00:33:39.360 --> 00:33:40.640 Yeah, I want to talk about the name. 377 00:33:40.960 --> 00:33:41.942 What? Matchbox20. 378 00:33:42.098 --> 00:33:45.120 Matchbox20? Yeah. Because you know what I thought it was for years and years and years. 379 00:33:45.120 --> 00:33:46.320 20 matches in a box. 380 00:33:46.480 --> 00:33:48.800 No. Do you know Matchbox made little cars? 381 00:33:48.800 --> 00:33:49.360 Oh, yeah. 382 00:33:49.520 --> 00:33:59.640 I thought. Yeah, it was. I thought it was a type of Matchbox car. The Matchbox 20 was like maybe a size or. And. And I was like, oh, see, I 383 00:33:59.640 --> 00:34:04.140 thought it was one of those where you have, you know, the little paper, you know, not. Not a box of matches. 384 00:34:04.140 --> 00:34:04.420 Yeah. 385 00:34:04.420 --> 00:34:06.500 But those ones weather in like a foldy card thing. 386 00:34:06.500 --> 00:34:06.980 Oh, yeah. 387 00:34:06.980 --> 00:34:10.140 And I thought you might have had 20 in those and that might be why it was called Matchbox. 388 00:34:10.380 --> 00:34:14.300 It's interesting. I was so confident that that's what it was. I never bothered to look. 389 00:34:14.300 --> 00:34:15.820 I really miss Matchbox cars. 390 00:34:15.980 --> 00:34:24.300 Yeah. I actually miss them, I have to be honest. So. Yeah, definitely. My youngest is really into them and he's a Hot Wheels. 391 00:34:24.300 --> 00:34:26.380 Okay. Yeah. Are they good? Hot Wheels. 392 00:34:26.380 --> 00:34:28.260 Yeah. He likes. He likes all this. Got all the F1 cars. 393 00:34:28.260 --> 00:34:28.460 Oh. 394 00:34:28.460 --> 00:34:33.210 Isn't it over the house? Anyway, but matchbox 20. 395 00:34:33.370 --> 00:34:33.850 Yeah. 396 00:34:35.530 --> 00:34:48.890 So what I didn't realize was, was that. So Doucette. I'm going to spell it. I'm going to. I'm going to pronounce his. His name wrong. Paul Doucet. 397 00:34:48.890 --> 00:34:49.370 Yeah. 398 00:34:50.490 --> 00:34:53.890 He worked in a cafe, like a. Like a diner. 399 00:34:53.890 --> 00:34:54.330 Yeah. 400 00:34:54.570 --> 00:35:04.960 They were thinking of a name for the band. So Tabitha's Secret had. So. So Atlantic Records were chasing Tabitha's Secret. Tabitha's Secret kind of split up. 401 00:35:04.960 --> 00:35:05.760 Yeah. Yeah. 402 00:35:06.480 --> 00:35:09.160 And Atlantic then started chasing Rob Thomas. 403 00:35:09.160 --> 00:35:09.600 Yeah. 404 00:35:10.160 --> 00:35:12.240 Suggested that they kind of pull another band together. 405 00:35:12.319 --> 00:35:12.759 Yeah. 406 00:35:12.759 --> 00:35:26.030 Because they liked his songs. So then he then got with. With Paul and Adam Gaynor and, you know, the rest of what would have gone on to be the. The rest of Matchbox 20. But they needed a name. 407 00:35:26.030 --> 00:35:26.470 Yeah. 408 00:35:26.470 --> 00:35:31.390 And Doucette was in his AS at work and he saw a guy like, in a baseball jersey. 409 00:35:31.390 --> 00:35:31.710 Yeah. 410 00:35:31.710 --> 00:35:34.510 Which said Matchbox on it. And then number 20. 411 00:35:34.670 --> 00:35:35.350 Right. Wow. 412 00:35:35.350 --> 00:35:35.870 And that's where. 413 00:35:35.950 --> 00:35:36.550 That was it. 414 00:35:36.550 --> 00:35:50.140 Yeah. And. And I just think. I just think that I don't like band names. People agonize over it, don't they? To me, people like. I'm naming the band's quite hard if you. If you're not in a band. 415 00:35:50.370 --> 00:35:50.690 Yeah. 416 00:35:50.850 --> 00:35:52.130 Like Try and name a band. 417 00:35:52.130 --> 00:35:54.210 Yeah, it's really hard. Yeah. 418 00:35:54.210 --> 00:35:58.810 Like, it's. It's like, I think, naming anything, so. Except for a cat. 419 00:35:58.810 --> 00:35:59.170 Yeah. 420 00:35:59.170 --> 00:36:21.250 If you've got. If you. If you've got a new kitten, by the way, can you call it Gusset? Aching to call a pet Gossett? So just do that before me. That would be great. But, yeah, that's where the name came from. And I. I just think that, you know, they're like the new Foo Fighters record coming out in End of April, I think. 421 00:36:21.570 --> 00:36:21.880 Ye. 422 00:36:23.070 --> 00:36:46.510 And I mean, they're. They're on the record saying it's a stupid name. And, you know, Dave Grohl said if I. If I'd realized the band was going to be anything, you know, certainly would not have called it Foo Fighters. But I don't know, it's like, for me, it's interesting. Like, Matchbox 20 just kind of works. It's interesting that they changed the stylization. It used to be matchbox 20 with a 2 and a 0. 423 00:36:46.510 --> 00:36:46.910 Yeah. 424 00:36:46.910 --> 00:36:49.230 And by the time that they did. 425 00:36:49.710 --> 00:36:52.190 Yeah, I know, I know. You mean the blue. What, the one with the blue cover. 426 00:36:52.190 --> 00:36:56.950 Yeah. So. So you've got yourself or someone like you, which was Matchbox. I'm going to show you. Look, matchbox 20. 427 00:36:56.950 --> 00:36:57.390 Yeah. 428 00:36:57.390 --> 00:36:57.910 With the name. 429 00:36:57.910 --> 00:37:00.910 Oh, there's some controversy about the COVID that we'll talk about in a bit as well. 430 00:37:00.990 --> 00:37:01.910 Oh, yeah, there is. 431 00:37:01.910 --> 00:37:02.190 Yeah. 432 00:37:02.190 --> 00:37:10.150 So. So you. You, you. So you got the 20, but then. Then they did. Is it Mad Season that came after this? 433 00:37:10.150 --> 00:37:10.830 Yeah, that's it. 434 00:37:11.150 --> 00:37:24.780 And. And. But then they started to get rid of the 20 and have spelled the word 20, which, again, I think is really interesting. Made it hard to find them on LimeWire. If you don't know what that is, look it up. 435 00:37:24.780 --> 00:37:25.180 Yeah. 436 00:37:26.220 --> 00:37:31.660 But Anyway, back to 3:00am yes. So we are going to play a little bit of the Tabitha Secret. 437 00:37:31.660 --> 00:37:32.140 Yeah. 438 00:37:32.140 --> 00:37:34.780 And then you have done some whizzy. 439 00:37:34.939 --> 00:37:35.900 Yeah, I've edited them. 440 00:37:36.460 --> 00:37:36.780 So. 441 00:37:36.780 --> 00:37:38.260 So I've done melding. 442 00:37:38.260 --> 00:37:42.620 Melding. So we're going to start with the Tabitha Secret, which is like welding, but for music. 443 00:37:46.320 --> 00:37:47.280 Oh, my God. 444 00:37:47.360 --> 00:37:48.560 It's like forging. 445 00:37:48.640 --> 00:37:49.680 Forging. Yeah. 446 00:37:49.920 --> 00:37:54.680 Everything. Everything. I like. I write a lot of apps and code and stuff, and almost everything's got forge in the top. 447 00:37:54.680 --> 00:37:57.520 Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm melding now. 448 00:37:57.520 --> 00:37:58.320 Yeah, Melding. 449 00:37:58.320 --> 00:37:58.680 Yeah. 450 00:37:58.680 --> 00:38:14.030 Meld Forge. Yeah. But, yeah. So Chris. What Chris has done is essentially like Weld. Weld forged the two together. So we're going to start with Tabitha's Secret. Version which sounds really. If you've never heard it before, it sounds a bit weird. You'll recognize it and then we're gonna. 451 00:38:14.030 --> 00:38:15.110 It drops into the. 452 00:38:15.110 --> 00:38:16.550 Drop into the matchbox. 453 00:38:16.870 --> 00:38:18.910 But they're in different keys, which is also strange. 454 00:38:18.910 --> 00:38:19.830 You don't like that, do you? 455 00:38:19.830 --> 00:38:38.870 No, because it's wrong. So I've cut. I've cut the point in the song, which is right. Yeah, but it jumps keys. It jumps. It jumps up like a tone or something. Might be a more semitone. I don't know what it is, but it jumps up a little bit. So it's a little bit jarring when it jumps, but it's good. It's. The edit's all right. You look Chamele did well. 456 00:38:38.870 --> 00:38:39.820 Shall we do it? 457 00:38:39.900 --> 00:38:41.020 It's well melded. 458 00:38:41.260 --> 00:38:41.820 God, 459 00:38:53.340 --> 00:40:17.450 She says Cold outside and your hands in my wrinkle. She's always worried about things like that. She said it's all gonna end and it might as well be my fault she only sleeps when it's raining and she screams and her voice says strange she says, baby, it's 3:00am I must be lonely to she says, baby well I can't help but be scared of it all Sometimes. She's got a little bit of something God is better than nothing. And in the color portrait world she believes that she's got it over. She swears the moon don't hang quite as high as it used to 460 00:40:20.330 --> 00:40:20.650 and 461 00:40:20.650 --> 00:44:14.430 she only sleeps when it's raining and this is great Hearing her voice says straining she says baby, when it's 3am I must be lonely. Well, I can't help but be scared of it all sometimes gonna wash away I believe yes. She believes that life is made up of all that she used to. And the clock on the wall has been stuck at 3 for days place. She thinks that happiness is a mouth that sits on her doorway but outside it stops raining she says, baby heart when it's 3am I must feel lonely Heaven she sells baby well I can't help but be scared of it all Sometimes the rain's gonna wash away I believe this. When it's 3am I must be lonely. I like the way it makes me feel to write. I enjoy the process of coming up with something out of nowhere. You know, I like the idea of the trip from having a song in my head and walking around the streets with it in my head to hearing it on a record and hearing all the parts done and then having it on the radio where other people get to hear it, you know, it's Kind of a. It's a charge. It's a good release, I think also, there's a catharticness about it. Something about being able to, you know, to take this. You know, like it jumbles up in your head and you get. You get upset or you get mad or you get bogged down, and it's a good way to kind of sort it and take it out and put it over here. It leaves you kind of free the rest of the time to be okay, you know, and kind of goofy and fine and have no problems. You know, there's a songwriter language that I've heard every songwriter use at some point where they're. They're playing, you know, and they've got the idea in their head and they're singing along. They just. And maybe you'll keep coming back to. You don't know. You know, you don't have any words yet, but these vowel sounds are coming out of your mouth, you know, little by little. I spend a lot of time with lyrics, I think. I mean, down to the And. And the ifs and the ors, you know. I mean, like, for me, the lyric is everything. I think that you have to always. You have to figure out where you put yourself when you write a song, and always put yourself there every time you write a song. Just to bring yourself back to just the joy of writing a song, you know, you have to kind of write it thinking that no one's ever going to hear it. Sometimes you sit down and it pours out of you just like it was already written, you know, and you're just singing it. And then sometimes it just takes months and months and months to get it put the way you want it. I get inspired by my wife. I think our life together, you know, like, that's our life, has kind of become my muse in a way. You have to marry somebody pretty special, I think, to put up with that. You know, somebody that, like, we can have an argument and then she has to listen to it on our record, you know, all the time. You know, I figure if I wasn't doing this for a living, I would still be doing it. I would just be doing it, you know, in a crap club and not getting paid a lot of money for it. Because I'm really not good at anything else. Like, I don't know anything else. I've kind of put myself out on the line here. This is it. So we mentioned the COVID before, and it was controversial. 462 00:44:14.910 --> 00:44:17.350 Controversial? I don't think it was controversial at the time. 463 00:44:17.350 --> 00:44:23.550 No, no. No, because it was. It was. It was not a problem. It was one of these, like, Nirvana, where the young man on the COVID 464 00:44:23.710 --> 00:44:30.490 It's totally normal to show a young boy's penis in. In a water thing. Totes normal. 465 00:44:30.490 --> 00:44:31.770 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 466 00:44:31.770 --> 00:44:32.810 Couldn't get away with that now. 467 00:44:32.970 --> 00:44:40.250 I couldn't do it now. But he. When he was older, he didn't like it, so he sued him, didn't he? Yeah. I think a similar thing happened with a matchbox 20 man. 468 00:44:40.330 --> 00:44:49.930 Yeah. The dude is called Frank Torres and it's really interesting. Course they asked him if he would. So. So. 469 00:44:49.930 --> 00:44:52.650 So he's walking down the street and they got a photo of him. Is that right? 470 00:44:52.970 --> 00:44:57.040 Yeah. So the. It was taken by Catherine Thomas. Thomas. No relation to Rob. 471 00:44:57.120 --> 00:44:57.920 No relation. 472 00:44:58.640 --> 00:45:34.780 With art direction and design by Valerie Wagner. And the band photos in. On the. In the. In the album and in the CD cover. If you've got the cd. I've got the cd. You can have a look inside it and the pictures of the band and thereby Chris Cafaro. But the man on the covers, Frank Torres. Now where it gets interesting is that he was walking down the street. They asked him to pose for a photograph, which he did. He. He said he consented for his, you know, photograph to be used. Obviously got used. 473 00:45:34.780 --> 00:45:38.180 So they said, can we take a photo? Yeah, but they didn't say, can we use it for an album? 474 00:45:38.180 --> 00:45:57.570 Yeah, so they didn't like. So he claims that they never, like. They didn't. I didn't. He didn't sign like a release or anything like that. This was in the 90s. You didn't do that in the night, like now you would have to. In the 90s. You didn't do that. No, I wasn't anyway, so. 475 00:45:58.050 --> 00:46:06.370 But was it the same thing as, like, with, you know, with the other band and suddenly this. This band's getting big, so. So everyone's kind of vulturing around and going, right, how can I get some money out of this? 476 00:46:06.370 --> 00:46:09.170 Do you remember the. When we talked about this a little bit with Pink Floyd. 477 00:46:09.170 --> 00:46:09.610 Yeah. 478 00:46:09.610 --> 00:46:12.930 You know, like on the wall when you had the. The kids. 479 00:46:13.090 --> 00:46:13.490 Yeah. 480 00:46:13.490 --> 00:46:18.450 Choir singing. And then you had Claire Torres on Great Gig in the Sky. 481 00:46:18.450 --> 00:46:18.930 Yeah. 482 00:46:20.050 --> 00:46:26.270 I mean, famously. Famously. Claire wasn't even credited on the song if My Page. They bunged like a te. Tenor and. 483 00:46:26.270 --> 00:46:26.630 Yeah. 484 00:46:26.630 --> 00:47:05.050 You know, bought her a meal deal and told her to get lost. You know what I mean? Yeah. It wasn't credited on the song or anything. But, yeah, I think it's interesting. I think here, this band in nowhere. There is no band, really. There's no money. No, they. They got a deal from Atlantic, so there would have been, like, a few quid to go and pull things together. Yeah, but they certainly weren't like, you know, rolling in money. And my gut feeling is no one was expecting what was coming, so they didn't sign the release and all that. Stu. Anyway, Frank Torres is the guy that's on the COVID who. Yeah. Took them. Took them to court, essentially. 485 00:47:05.050 --> 00:47:05.490 Yeah. 486 00:47:07.410 --> 00:47:16.690 It was interesting because there was a massive delay. I don't think it was like something like 2006. Oh, 2005. 2006. 487 00:47:16.770 --> 00:47:17.250 Yeah. 488 00:47:17.810 --> 00:47:21.170 He put legal action, so he did his. 489 00:47:21.970 --> 00:47:23.810 So it's a good tenure photographing, like, 490 00:47:23.890 --> 00:47:34.000 would have been like 95, I guess. And then. Then album came out. No one really cared. Eventually, obviously, he got bigger and then by 2005, clearly he's realized that there's some money to be made here. 491 00:47:34.000 --> 00:47:34.280 Yeah. 492 00:47:34.280 --> 00:47:41.200 And then goes after them for some. Some cash. So. I don't know what happened to the lawsuit. I couldn't. I did read about it. I couldn't find. 493 00:47:41.200 --> 00:47:42.240 I think he died. 494 00:47:42.320 --> 00:47:43.680 He died in 2016. 495 00:47:44.000 --> 00:47:47.520 Yeah. I think he died before anything really came of it, which is. 496 00:47:47.760 --> 00:47:49.040 It's a bit of a shame, really. 497 00:47:49.040 --> 00:47:49.520 Yeah. 498 00:47:49.520 --> 00:47:54.520 What the name. It's cool. It's a cool album, I think. Color cover. It's one of those album covers that 499 00:47:54.520 --> 00:48:10.300 I. I wonder if that slide has an impact on how the feel about the record, though, you know, like. All right. It gives them a bad taste in the mouth when they think about it because of that legal challenge or whatever, or because of, like, 3:00am And I wonder if it taints the. The kind of feeling around a song or a record. 500 00:48:10.780 --> 00:48:27.660 And I've heard Rob Thomas in interviews. He always seems really pragmatic to me, but he's. He's. There's a lovely bit I heard. Heard him, and he was saying that, like, he said, you. You have to develop a really thick skin. Like, you can't let this stuff get to you. 501 00:48:27.740 --> 00:48:28.180 Yeah. 502 00:48:28.180 --> 00:48:43.370 Because he said, like, once the band got big, like, we just seemed to, like, Like. Like a magnet for criticism. Like, everybody felt they got the right to tell us, you know, how crap we were. 503 00:48:43.370 --> 00:48:43.690 Yeah. 504 00:48:43.690 --> 00:48:50.050 You know, and the critics were pretty harsh to us. And, you know, the. The. The album was selling bucket loads. 505 00:48:50.050 --> 00:48:50.890 Yeah. Yeah. 506 00:48:50.890 --> 00:48:53.170 But the critics were telling us how terrible we are. 507 00:48:53.170 --> 00:48:53.650 Yeah. 508 00:48:54.290 --> 00:49:09.640 You know, and like, you. You can't let that get to you. Do you know what I mean? You kind of. Because. And. And I Get. I can't remember where I. Whether I read this or I heard it, but. But it's essentially him saying that, like it's a very personal. 509 00:49:10.040 --> 00:49:10.520 Yeah. 510 00:49:10.520 --> 00:49:35.990 Thing this record, all of the records for Matchbox 20s, they're very personal things. So you know, when somebody criticizes it, it's like criticizing you and you, you have to build this like, mechanism for that not to. To bother you. And like, like. Actually, I'm gonna go on a bit of a slight tangent, but. But famously the track Push was used in the new Barbie movie. 511 00:49:35.990 --> 00:49:37.190 Yes. Yeah. 512 00:49:38.070 --> 00:49:55.100 And I think. And again, I saw a lovely snippet from Rob Thomas saying that when he got the call, he just assumed that they were going to be like the butt of the joke. Right. That there was going to be this kind of joke about, you know, whatever, you know, about it being old fashioned or whatever or, you know, dude culture or whatever. 513 00:49:55.250 --> 00:49:55.370 It. 514 00:49:55.370 --> 00:50:09.330 Yeah. And it doesn't, it doesn't kind of land in quite that. Quite that way, I think. I think Matchbox 20 come out of it quite well. Yeah. I think they come out of it kind of liking Ken in the movie and liking the song. 515 00:50:09.330 --> 00:50:09.650 Right. 516 00:50:10.450 --> 00:50:18.290 I think it's kind of an interesting thing. But yeah, I think, I think the band get more like hate than they deserve. 517 00:50:18.290 --> 00:50:18.770 Yeah. 518 00:50:18.850 --> 00:50:26.920 It's not in the same. Not quite in the same league as. A Nickelback. 519 00:50:26.920 --> 00:50:27.360 Yeah. 520 00:50:27.600 --> 00:50:34.800 But it's that kind of thing where it's kind of like, well, they're making loads of money so it's totally cool to just, you know, be trash them. 521 00:50:34.800 --> 00:50:36.240 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 522 00:50:36.400 --> 00:50:43.520 But yeah, it's interesting listening to Rob Thomas talk about it in this. You know, he said it's quite a. It's a skill. It's a. It's a skill you need to learn. 523 00:50:43.520 --> 00:50:44.080 Yeah. 524 00:50:44.400 --> 00:50:54.650 You. You write these really personal lyrics and songs and then put them out in the world and then people feel they've got a right to rip them apart. 525 00:50:54.730 --> 00:51:21.520 Yeah. I don't know if I deal with that very well. I'm quite Marty even I'm saying negatively wanted to cause them damage. I don't know. I get quite. Yeah. I couldn't imagine experiencing that. I think that's why I asked about. I wonder what. I wonder whether it's. It's sort of tainted their feeling around the album or the songs anyway. But it sounds like it was just say the dudes built. Built a bit of a mechanism to help him to sort of deal with that. 526 00:51:21.520 --> 00:51:22.960 I think so. I think. 527 00:51:24.240 --> 00:51:29.640 And you know, it's just. He sold loads of records. He's been hugely successful. 528 00:51:29.640 --> 00:51:30.040 Yeah. 529 00:51:30.040 --> 00:51:39.040 You know, it's a. It's a massive album, this one, and subsequent work. And he did that thing with Santana that was a big deal. So he's done some cool stuff, you know, so. Clearly. 530 00:51:39.040 --> 00:51:44.150 Right song I do like. Again, off on a tangent a little bit, but I do love listening to the Nickel Back Boys. 531 00:51:44.150 --> 00:51:44.630 Yeah. 532 00:51:44.870 --> 00:52:33.050 Like, just like. Like, like, like what? What? We don't take this. That seriously. Why is it. Why is everyone else taking this seriously? Like, we. We. We just, like, we got in a band to have a good time. Yeah. Yeah. And we. We wrote songs about having a good time and we liked that. It was great. And then, you know, and then all of a sudden, the world, like, lost its mind and it was like, we. You know, but it was like, it was okay to. To hate on us. And, like, we've not done anything. We've literally done nothing. We just. You just written some songs that are a good laugh. What's the. What's, you know, what is coming. Surely this doesn't make any sense. And it's. It's weird. It feel. It is. This kind of. I don't know, it's this thing where I think once artists become a certain size, it's okay to. To just hate on them. 533 00:52:33.050 --> 00:52:35.490 There's a Coldplay thing as well, isn't there? Same sort of thing. 534 00:52:35.730 --> 00:52:44.560 God, hate Coldplay. I saw that. That woman. You know, the. The Coldplay Kissatron thing. 535 00:52:44.560 --> 00:52:45.080 Oh, yes. 536 00:52:45.080 --> 00:52:50.960 And that couple were there. And then they. I still, like. That's just. Still one of my favorite things, where they just kind of sleep. 537 00:52:50.960 --> 00:52:51.840 Sleep now. 538 00:52:52.400 --> 00:53:03.280 But she's back in the press, right? She's. Because she's kind of resurfaced back in the press, saying that she was disappointed with how Gwyneth Paltrow reacted to it. 539 00:53:04.480 --> 00:53:06.640 How weird. How strange. 540 00:53:07.200 --> 00:53:14.810 I do think that's brutal, though, isn't it? Imagine being. Being like. Like everywhere. Like the. You just. What would you do? Yeah, I mean, what do you like? 541 00:53:14.810 --> 00:53:15.410 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 542 00:53:15.410 --> 00:53:18.890 Do you know what I mean? Your face is everywhere. How do you. 543 00:53:18.970 --> 00:53:23.850 At least it's the bit. I suppose it's a bit where people are making memes out of you. Yeah, that's the one in it. 544 00:53:24.250 --> 00:53:31.250 Have you got. If you can make memes, make a meme out of me. I quite fancy being famous. Not for very long. 545 00:53:31.250 --> 00:53:31.490 No. 546 00:53:31.490 --> 00:53:31.770 Just. 547 00:53:31.930 --> 00:53:32.810 Just 10 minutes. Yeah. 548 00:53:32.810 --> 00:53:34.890 I don't want to be famous a lot. Would you like to be famous? 549 00:53:34.890 --> 00:53:35.850 No, like, would you, like. 550 00:53:35.850 --> 00:53:40.410 Like, imagine if riding they're like, blew up and they were massive and you had to. To be on the telly in that. 551 00:53:40.410 --> 00:53:40.850 Yeah. 552 00:53:40.930 --> 00:53:41.970 Now, how would that. 553 00:53:42.210 --> 00:53:44.490 Yeah, I'm rubbish. I'm not very good at things like 554 00:53:44.490 --> 00:53:51.450 that, I don't think, because I always. I always feel like. Because, like, Patty's megastar and he's in these massive movies and stuff, and I 555 00:53:51.450 --> 00:53:54.690 always just think he deals with it so well, but he's. 556 00:53:54.690 --> 00:53:56.170 It's the things he has to deal with. 557 00:53:56.170 --> 00:53:58.970 Yeah. Like, you can't just go shop, do stuff. 558 00:53:58.970 --> 00:54:14.060 You have to kind of. Yeah. I think you pay, you know, I mean, I think you kind of. I don't know, it's like. Like. Like you sell your soul to the devil a little bit. You know what I mean? It's one of those things where you're like that when you're famous, you. 559 00:54:14.060 --> 00:54:14.460 Yeah. 560 00:54:14.460 --> 00:54:15.580 And people know who you are. 561 00:54:15.660 --> 00:54:28.940 Honestly, I had three days on tour and the third day, I don't know if everybody. I was like. I was like, just have a 10 minutes just for me. Just. Just on my own YouTube in that. 562 00:54:29.340 --> 00:54:32.340 But I want to watch. I want to watch a man welding. 563 00:54:32.340 --> 00:54:33.700 Yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 564 00:54:33.700 --> 00:54:49.510 But I do think I. There's just something it. Where people feel they've got this. I mean, I remember being with Paddy at gigs where people have been over and told him about the movies. That. And their perspective on like. Like, their critique of his. 565 00:54:49.510 --> 00:54:50.230 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 566 00:54:50.790 --> 00:54:59.430 And you just. I. And like, you say he's so magnanimous and he handles it, like, so well. I know. I. I remember sitting there just thinking, God, who are you to tell? Yeah, Jermaine. 567 00:54:59.430 --> 00:55:00.470 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 568 00:55:00.470 --> 00:55:01.270 What have you done? 569 00:55:01.270 --> 00:55:02.630 Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. 570 00:55:02.630 --> 00:55:03.030 Which. 571 00:55:03.030 --> 00:55:03.750 Where's your film? 572 00:55:03.750 --> 00:55:06.010 Yeah. Which, like, movies have you done? 573 00:55:06.010 --> 00:55:06.410 Yeah. 574 00:55:08.490 --> 00:55:19.530 Anyway. Yeah, that's it. Coming from a podcaster. So you've got an opinion on everything. Telling you you're not allowed to have an opinion. That's the way the world works, I'm afraid. So. 575 00:55:19.530 --> 00:55:19.930 Yeah. 576 00:55:19.930 --> 00:55:21.170 Show me some facts in that. 577 00:55:21.170 --> 00:55:27.050 Let's do some. Oh, should we do a. No, let's not do a song yet. Let's do facts first, then a song, and then we talk about next week. 578 00:55:27.450 --> 00:55:37.520 Right? Yes, I'm on it. Okay. So. Released 1st of October, 1996. I'm always a little bit concerned when release dates appear as the first of the month. 579 00:55:37.600 --> 00:55:38.080 Yeah. 580 00:55:38.800 --> 00:55:41.920 It's generally a sign that when I've asked the AI. 581 00:55:41.920 --> 00:55:42.560 Yeah. 582 00:55:43.040 --> 00:55:43.840 It doesn't know. 583 00:55:43.840 --> 00:55:45.920 Oh, I see. Okay. It just goes. 584 00:55:46.160 --> 00:55:48.080 Yeah. So if the release date is like, October. 585 00:55:48.080 --> 00:55:48.840 Yeah, it'll. 586 00:55:48.840 --> 00:55:54.200 It'll say may or may not have been released 1st of October 1996. Don't really care. 587 00:55:54.200 --> 00:56:08.270 Yeah. If it's right, if any of this stuff isn't right, just tell us and then we can put it right. Don't shout at us and say we're rubbish. Just say, like, that's not quite right, lads. Could you. Could you just have a nudge of that and like educators and informers of the correct thing. Yeah, that'd be lovely. 588 00:56:08.270 --> 00:56:08.910 Just don't. 589 00:56:08.910 --> 00:56:09.710 Oh, just don't. 590 00:56:11.230 --> 00:56:14.830 No one's gonna die over it. Just. Just. You know what I mean? 591 00:56:14.990 --> 00:56:15.950 Everything will be all right. 592 00:56:15.950 --> 00:56:28.510 Have some fruit pastels. Artist matchbox 20 with a 20 initially with a 2 and a 0. Not the words. Twent Y. I think this is an interesting one. 593 00:56:28.510 --> 00:56:31.270 Did they ever, like, knock it on the head or. Are they still together or. 594 00:56:31.270 --> 00:56:33.390 Yeah, yeah, yeah, they are still together. 595 00:56:33.590 --> 00:56:33.830 Yeah. 596 00:56:33.830 --> 00:57:02.830 They've just released EP of old, say old music, but it was from the North Recordings, I think, so. Not that old. Yeah, so, yeah, they're still around. Still doing. Still doing. They did have a bit of a hiatus, but, yeah, they're still. Still around. I think it's interesting that. So then swapping the name from 220 to 20 20. This was kind of in the. The era of Google. 597 00:57:02.830 --> 00:57:03.390 Yeah. 598 00:57:03.550 --> 00:57:10.670 And I. I just think it's interesting they would have done that and how that would have impacted people being able to find their music. 599 00:57:10.670 --> 00:57:11.070 Yeah. 600 00:57:11.070 --> 00:57:14.590 Because this is in a. This is in. Back in the 90s, computers were terrible. 601 00:57:14.750 --> 00:57:15.230 Yeah. 602 00:57:15.550 --> 00:57:23.830 So I think if you'd have typed for one. And I can imagine like Apple Music getting like. Like, getting like, you know, like. Or Spotify, whatever. Getting. Having two. Two artists. 603 00:57:23.830 --> 00:57:24.270 Yeah. 604 00:57:24.990 --> 00:57:36.850 Anyway, label. So my copies on Lava Records. But it's. It was released by Atlantic, I think. I don't know. I don't know the relationship between Lava and Atlantic. 605 00:57:36.850 --> 00:57:40.170 Maybe. Maybe Lava, like a subsidiary. Probably Atlantic. 606 00:57:40.170 --> 00:57:43.650 Yeah, probably produced by Matt Selectic. 607 00:57:43.809 --> 00:57:55.100 Now, that's good because in a minute. Yeah, there's the. In the interviews we're going to use, it talks about them meeting him and how important he was because he did collective soul. 608 00:57:55.100 --> 00:58:07.780 Yeah, he also did. And I've got this queued up somewhere. I'm just gonna have a quick look for you. Guess. Guess. He did a really big thing. Guess what. 609 00:58:07.780 --> 00:58:08.300 A big one. 610 00:58:08.300 --> 00:58:09.180 Yeah. Guess what he did. 611 00:58:09.180 --> 00:58:09.859 Oh, I don't know. 612 00:58:09.859 --> 00:58:11.140 Now, do you want to tell you what he did? 613 00:58:11.140 --> 00:58:11.780 Go on then. 614 00:58:12.740 --> 00:58:16.260 He produced the song. I don't want to miss a thing. 615 00:58:16.500 --> 00:58:17.140 Oh, really? 616 00:58:17.780 --> 00:58:23.260 Aerosmith? Yeah. On Massive Chain Armageddon, which I liked a lot. 617 00:58:23.260 --> 00:58:30.620 That was a good song. That was. Yeah, they didn't ride that. That was a. That was a female songwriter. She wrote loads of hits, but Aerosmith didn't actually write. 618 00:58:30.620 --> 00:58:55.340 Aerosmith used loads of songwriters and they were properly songwriter. They were one of the first, I think that kind of got into to that. But they also. He also did a bunch of stuff with. So, so, yeah, so he, he was produced producing Tabitha's Secret, but he also. As a teenager, Selectic joined a band with members of Collective Soul. 619 00:58:55.420 --> 00:58:56.180 Right, interesting. 620 00:58:56.180 --> 00:59:03.260 And he also produced them. I really like Collective Soul. They're a band that I listen to when you. If things aren't going very well. 621 00:59:03.260 --> 00:59:03.660 Yeah. 622 00:59:03.820 --> 00:59:05.420 I quite often put collective solo. 623 00:59:05.420 --> 00:59:06.060 Right, that's interesting. 624 00:59:06.060 --> 00:59:06.740 They're quite cool. 625 00:59:06.740 --> 00:59:08.540 I don't think I've heard enough of them, to be honest. 626 00:59:08.540 --> 00:59:25.860 Quite a cool band. Yeah, they're a band that, like, never do anything that is like, offensive or loud or. You know what I mean? Really? I can't imagine anybody ever, like, shouts and goes, oh, get that rubbish off. Yeah, I can't imagine anyone's ever said, I hate Collective soul. 627 00:59:25.860 --> 00:59:27.620 Yeah, they're not that kind of band. 628 00:59:27.780 --> 00:59:30.259 They're a kind of band that. You know what I mean? 629 00:59:30.260 --> 00:59:35.940 Like. No, got it. Because. And also he, he wrote some of these songs as well. He was a co writer. 630 00:59:36.180 --> 00:59:43.870 He was. That's very, very true. I'll get to that in a bit. But yeah, he, he did, he, he did stuff on, on. I think he did 3:00am yeah. 631 00:59:45.790 --> 00:59:51.150 So I wonder if it was like parts. Maybe he came up with some parts or something that were quite integral to the song or something. 632 00:59:51.310 --> 00:59:58.069 I mean, you'll probably know more about this, but, but I, I just imagine he is in the studio, just got ideas, you know, just. Oh, hang on. Have we, have we tried doing this? 633 00:59:58.069 --> 00:59:59.150 Yeah, maybe. Yeah. 634 00:59:59.230 --> 01:00:15.460 Well, there you go. It was recorded at Triclops Recording in Atlanta, Georgia. I, I, you know, Atlanta's fame. Famous for, for me. Why, why do I know about sports? No, it's because the Walking Dead was recorded there. 635 01:00:15.460 --> 01:00:15.900 Oh, really? 636 01:00:15.900 --> 01:00:16.460 And I like that. 637 01:00:16.460 --> 01:00:18.140 All right. I haven't watched it. 638 01:00:18.140 --> 01:00:37.270 Zombies got halfway through series two about Zombies and that. It's only. There's only so much zombie stuff you can do, I think. Yeah, yeah, I did like that. I like. Do you know what I like? What I really liked about it is like the end of the end of the world stuff. I like how it shows, like, the the underbelly of human society. Society and how bad things will get. 639 01:00:37.350 --> 01:00:37.750 Yeah. 640 01:00:37.750 --> 01:00:41.270 You know, and I like. I like imagining that. I think it's quite exciting. 641 01:00:41.270 --> 01:00:41.750 Yeah. 642 01:00:42.310 --> 01:01:03.850 Anyway, that was in Georgia, probably. There were no zombies when they recorded this. Which. Which is. There you go. Interesting. The track. This says 12 tracks on the standard edition and 15 on the deluxe edition. I did some looking online to try and find a copy of. Of the deluxe edition on the compact disc. 643 01:01:03.850 --> 01:01:04.250 Yeah. 644 01:01:04.250 --> 01:01:04.930 Can't find it. 645 01:01:04.930 --> 01:01:05.530 Right. Okay. 646 01:01:05.530 --> 01:01:14.410 I have a. Funny, I don't know, the streaming on online thing. Yeah. I don't know. But yeah. 46 minutes long. 647 01:01:15.050 --> 01:01:21.130 I would say of those 46 minutes there's more. You know when you said earlier about the immediacy of this record. 648 01:01:21.290 --> 01:01:21.690 Yeah. 649 01:01:21.690 --> 01:01:24.330 Doesn't take many listens and it goes quite quick. 650 01:01:25.130 --> 01:01:28.740 Six minutes, four or five tracks are just bangers. 651 01:01:28.740 --> 01:01:29.060 They're just. 652 01:01:29.060 --> 01:01:31.740 They're all like heavy singles. 653 01:01:31.740 --> 01:01:32.180 Yeah. 654 01:01:32.180 --> 01:01:38.980 And then the tail end of the record are kind of these like slow burns. Like you've got like Cody and you 655 01:01:40.180 --> 01:01:41.220 did like the end of the record. 656 01:01:41.300 --> 01:02:08.310 It's phenomenal for me. This is. It's got those big poppy hooks at the beginning, the big singles. And then it kind of. Every listen through, you kind of enjoy a little bit more of the album and then a little bit more. It's really, really nicely done. Didn't sell any copies when it was launched. Eventually sold. It was 12 times platinum in Australia, 10 times platinum in Canada, 8 times platinum in New Zealand, 5 times platinum. And in the UK it was gold. 657 01:02:08.470 --> 01:02:08.910 Yeah. 658 01:02:08.910 --> 01:02:10.710 Which I think is like 500. 659 01:02:10.870 --> 01:02:13.789 Yeah. It's not comparatively. It's not many, is it? At all. 660 01:02:13.789 --> 01:02:16.790 It's not. 15 million copies sold worldwide. 661 01:02:16.790 --> 01:02:19.110 Yeah. Yeah. Big record, which is big for. 662 01:02:19.190 --> 01:02:24.510 For record singles. Long day push, 3am real world and Back to Good. 663 01:02:24.510 --> 01:02:27.910 Yeah. Just banger after huge songs. 664 01:02:27.910 --> 01:02:28.430 Banger. 665 01:02:28.590 --> 01:02:49.230 And the. The time when selling that amount of records and. And get, you know, that. That's a bit. That's a big impact on your wallet that, you know, at that point in time it was a big. Yeah, there's a lot of. Around that kind of mid-90s to late 90s period, sort of into those early 2000s, you know, there was a lot of money to be made in music. 666 01:02:50.110 --> 01:03:02.050 Well, this would have been like. It wasn't peak CD, but it was CD, you know. I mean, lots of CDs were being sold out. So. So the music itself was making money. 667 01:03:02.050 --> 01:03:04.770 Not just because it kind of went into games after this. 668 01:03:05.570 --> 01:03:17.970 Yeah. Film a little bit like your TV Yeah. So. So at this point in time, buying the physical media, everyone made like a few quid. 669 01:03:17.970 --> 01:03:18.250 Yeah. 670 01:03:18.250 --> 01:03:35.830 Of selling it. Yeah. And then of course, by the time you got to like 2000, 3, 4, 5 or. No one bought physical media, everyone bought streaming and then no one got any money except for like, I mean, itunes probably started to. Everyone talks about Spotify killing it was probably itunes that killed it because you got like 79 people single. 671 01:03:35.830 --> 01:03:36.270 Yeah. 672 01:03:36.590 --> 01:03:38.670 You know what I mean? So. 673 01:03:38.990 --> 01:03:41.870 But you didn't have the manufacturing costs. That's your trade off, isn't it? 674 01:03:42.030 --> 01:03:44.990 Yeah, yeah, that is true. You still. Yeah. 675 01:03:45.070 --> 01:03:53.560 And that's the thing with streaming as well, you know, the trade off is you've got. You've got worldwide distribution. Good button. For free. For free. Effectively discoverability. Yeah. 676 01:03:53.560 --> 01:03:54.200 All of that stuff. 677 01:03:54.200 --> 01:03:58.840 Yeah. But. But it's. But you don't make any money off the back. So you see. Yeah. It's a real catch 22, isn't it? 678 01:03:58.840 --> 01:03:59.720 It is, it is. 679 01:03:59.720 --> 01:04:04.680 I think the way I've heard it spoken about is that. Is that as an artist, you really want to treat streaming as pr. 680 01:04:05.319 --> 01:04:05.719 Yeah. 681 01:04:05.719 --> 01:04:11.400 You know, you want to treat it not as. Not as sales or, you know, you want to treat it as a. Vinyl's 682 01:04:11.400 --> 01:04:25.410 come back in in a vengeance, hasn't it? Which I quite like. I do. I really like that. We had. There'd been a couple of kids parties and I was bored waiting for the kids to finish, so I bogged off to the record shop. 683 01:04:25.410 --> 01:04:25.890 Yeah. 684 01:04:26.050 --> 01:04:48.200 And when I came back, one of the mums was there and she was probably like, where. Where have you been? I've been to the record shop. And she was like, where's the record shop? And then she went to the record shop. It was just interesting that, like, I think you wouldn't have had to go back like many, you know, three, four years and in like a mainstream. Yeah, your mainstream friends wouldn't have. Wouldn't have. 685 01:04:48.200 --> 01:04:50.000 No, done. No, no. 686 01:04:50.000 --> 01:04:58.920 Absolutely wouldn't have done that. Do you know what I mean? And it's just. I like that. I like the fact that that stuff's kind of. I like the fact that music is valuable. 687 01:04:58.920 --> 01:04:59.400 Yeah. 688 01:04:59.400 --> 01:05:06.200 To some degree. And it's not. Not invaluable in, like, monetary terms, I guess. But it's just the fact that people are prepared to. 689 01:05:07.480 --> 01:05:19.640 And the thing is. And, you know, I think we're gonna have a resurgence pretty short shortly of people being interested in music again because of the levy that's starting to come in, which is, you know, big, you know, like in football how the. 690 01:05:19.640 --> 01:05:20.680 Oh, the big club. 691 01:05:20.680 --> 01:05:36.040 The big clubs pay for Sunday league stuff. Money filters down. The same thing's happening in the music industry now. So your big arena tours and all that sort of stuff. There's like a quid of every ticket going into this pot which then is being distributed out to the grassroots. 692 01:05:36.040 --> 01:05:42.630 Yeah, it's difficult if you think about it. You know, it's really hard to imagine how bands will 693 01:05:44.550 --> 01:05:52.310 you. Unless you're middle class, you've got no talent pipeline. That's the thing is. Is music will become a very middle class thing because. Yeah, it wouldn't be accessible for working class people. 694 01:05:52.789 --> 01:05:55.350 You need. I guess you need the money. But you, you, you. What? 695 01:05:55.350 --> 01:05:55.670 You. 696 01:05:56.870 --> 01:06:01.990 Yeah, you're right. But. But it's like if there are no venues to go and practice. 697 01:06:02.150 --> 01:06:02.510 Yeah. 698 01:06:02.510 --> 01:06:05.430 You can't have a scene and you can't have people and you can't. You can't practice. 699 01:06:05.670 --> 01:06:08.030 And that's what it's about. It's about building those ecosystems. 700 01:06:08.030 --> 01:06:08.750 It's crazy. 701 01:06:08.750 --> 01:06:09.510 Building those. Yeah. 702 01:06:09.510 --> 01:06:20.190 You don't get the opportunities to. To go and do it. So. Fact, I gotta. I got. I'll go down my. I've got my top 10. So the album was originally titled the Woodshed Diaries. 703 01:06:21.150 --> 01:06:22.470 I didn't know that's a reading the blog. 704 01:06:22.470 --> 01:07:39.460 And in fact 3500 copies were pressed with that title. With that title, they were never released. But Thomas and Doucet were. Were at Cafe Largo in LA and they heard a singer say, this song is for you or someone like you. And they loved it so much they begged the record label to change the title. How mad is that? Imagine that. Yeah, I think it's nuts. 3am was originally written when Thomas was in Tabitha's Secret. So we talked about this before and it was all about caring for his mother during her cancer treatment. When he was 12, Tabitha's secret remaining members released their own version on Don't Play with Matches and later sued Thomas, Doucet, Yale and Selectic for a share of the profits. Push was born from a single word. So when they were. So Rob Thomas and Selectic were in a hotel room and he opened a book and told Rob Thomas to point at a random word. And the word was rusty. That element. I'm a little bit rusty. It's the lyrics and the way he plays with lyrics and the way he's able to do, you know that kind of stuff. 705 01:07:39.460 --> 01:07:39.820 Yeah. 706 01:07:39.820 --> 01:07:40.500 Do you know what I mean? 707 01:07:40.900 --> 01:07:42.459 Just playing with words, it kind of 708 01:07:42.459 --> 01:08:13.590 touches you as well. Kind of. It's Kind because you. You hear those lyrics and you. You, like, internalize and you just like, oh, yeah, that means something to me. I mean, that although, you know, Rob Thomas. Thomas wrote. Wrote that song that it. It kind of feels like it touches you and you can. A bit like Alanis Morissette and a bunch of others where they write these. I don't know. Yeah. They write these stories for want of a better description in. In the song. And everybody can feel some kind of connection to it. 709 01:08:13.590 --> 01:08:14.430 Yeah. Yeah. 710 01:08:14.430 --> 01:08:15.630 I think that's what makes them work. 711 01:08:15.630 --> 01:08:16.110 Yeah. 712 01:08:16.670 --> 01:08:19.790 In its first week, the album sold 610 copies. 713 01:08:20.120 --> 01:08:20.440 Yeah. 714 01:08:20.600 --> 01:08:22.360 Which is crazy. 715 01:08:22.360 --> 01:08:28.280 Hardly any in comparison. I mean, if you saw that many as a. These days, that's quite a good number. But yes, only back then it was hardly anything. 716 01:08:28.280 --> 01:08:29.160 It's mad, isn't it? 717 01:08:29.160 --> 01:08:29.560 Yeah. 718 01:08:29.880 --> 01:08:47.480 Neither Push nor 3am were eligible to appear on the Billboard Hot 100 because Atlantic refused to release them as commercial singles. The album was selling too well to risk cannibalizing sales, and pre1998 rules required a physical single release for Hot 100. 719 01:08:47.480 --> 01:08:52.699 That's crazy. Yeah. Yeah, that's crazy. So. So they didn't release a single even the massive tunes. 720 01:08:52.699 --> 01:08:57.579 Eventually, the pushing 3am worn and they 721 01:08:57.579 --> 01:08:59.299 didn't want to go there. 722 01:08:59.459 --> 01:09:27.530 Frank Torres, the man on the COVID we talked about, already sued them in 2005, saying he never consented to his image being used on the COVID He said the photo caused him emotional distress. I'm not sure it would cause me emotional distress. Anyway, the band rehearsed for a solid month in a storage shed in Orlando before entering the studio. The recording sessions in Atlanta took six weeks, which is quick, isn't it? I think for such a polished record. 723 01:09:27.530 --> 01:09:28.690 Yeah, no, absolutely. 724 01:09:29.570 --> 01:10:38.040 Producer Matt Seletic played keyboards and percussion on the record, co wrote Push Girl like that. His brother Dean Seletic, and Tabitha Colema served as assistant co producer. I didn't know his brother was involved in record delivers. Rob Thomas grew up listening to country, so Willie Nelson and Merle Haggard. When early reviewers suggested there was a Southern influence in the band's sound, Thomas was initially amused being the only Southerner in the group, before realizing those natural storytelling instincts had genuinely shaped his writing. And I think there is definitely something that kind of Southern writing. Talked about this a little bit as well. The Matchbox. The band's name from a softball jersey. Paul Doucette spotted Matchbox and the number 20 on someone's shirt at a restaurant. And that's where the name came from. In in 2023, Ryan Gosling recorded a cover of Push for the Barbie soundtrack for the. The song in. In the movie Push caused absolute chaos when it was released. All of the. 725 01:10:39.960 --> 01:10:42.480 Oh, because they thought it was about domestic abuse. Feminist. 726 01:10:42.480 --> 01:10:46.160 Yeah, there was a huge feminist kind of thing, like an anti. 727 01:10:46.160 --> 01:10:46.920 Glorifying. 728 01:10:47.000 --> 01:11:17.160 Yeah. And. And Rob Thomas had to go and. And have loads of interviews explaining that it was the other way around and that he was the. Like there was kind of, you know, he was the subject of the abusive relationship and not the other way around, which is. I think it's fascinating. There's that assumption, isn't there, where it just feels. Because he's. Maybe because he's singing. Maybe because the expectation is that the kind of male is the one pushing the female around. But I thought that was really interesting. 729 01:11:17.360 --> 01:11:17.840 Fascinating. 730 01:11:18.880 --> 01:11:48.650 And that's it for facts. That's what I've got for facts for this album. Adam Gaynor as well. I'll say as well. Adam Gaynor was in. He left in 2004. The band went on hiatus in 2004. When Adam left. Now, I wasn't sure what happened, but I did some reading that Adam Gay, although He left Matchbox 20, he formed the Matchbox 20 foundation and it's done a loads of fundraising and charity work and stuff like that. So I kind of just get the feeling that. That he just didn't want to be in a band anymore. 731 01:11:48.650 --> 01:11:49.050 Yeah, 732 01:11:50.810 --> 01:11:53.130 it wasn't Acrimonious or. 733 01:11:53.210 --> 01:11:54.650 Yeah, I know what that means now. 734 01:11:55.050 --> 01:11:57.050 Yeah. Acrimonious. 735 01:11:57.290 --> 01:12:04.650 Yeah. No, that's interesting. There's a few bands that have done foundation, like Make Yourself foundation, which Incubus, isn't it? There's a few that have done that sort of thing. 736 01:12:04.970 --> 01:12:18.520 I think, you know, it's interesting as well. I think there was. There was a bunch of bands that followed after this as well, I think Kind or. Or in the same group. That kind of post grunge stuff. So. Like Lifehouse? 737 01:12:18.680 --> 01:12:19.360 Yeah, yeah. 738 01:12:19.360 --> 01:12:21.800 Remember Tinder Train? 739 01:12:22.360 --> 01:12:27.480 Yeah, I'd love to do Train. I'd actually love to do Drops of Jupiter. I think it's an incredible album. 740 01:12:27.480 --> 01:12:29.400 Album. That's a bad album. 741 01:12:29.400 --> 01:12:30.920 Yeah, I'd love to do that. 742 01:12:31.320 --> 01:12:42.820 They're all kind. There's a lot of them are in that same vein on their Third Eye Blind and stuff. There's a load of them in that. In that. In that space. It gave us some quite good albums. I think maybe we go. 743 01:12:42.820 --> 01:12:44.660 Should we put a tune on then? Talk about what's next? 744 01:12:44.660 --> 01:12:45.820 Yeah, put a tune on. All Right. 745 01:12:45.820 --> 01:12:51.700 And this is the bit where it's nice. We talked about Matt Selectic then, because he comes up quite a lot in these next interviews. 746 01:12:51.860 --> 01:12:52.420 Oh, good. 747 01:12:52.420 --> 01:13:10.230 We met Matt because Matt's brother Dean went to Rollins College in Winter Park, Florida. And so at the time we were playing a band called Tabitha Secret and Matt was looking for a band to work with. And Dean, Matt had just come off of working with Collective Soul. 748 01:13:10.230 --> 01:13:11.150 Yeah, yeah. 749 01:13:11.230 --> 01:13:13.630 Who was also in Atlantic as well. And he went. 750 01:13:13.630 --> 01:13:16.150 So he started a production company and he sort of wanted to work with the band. 751 01:13:16.150 --> 01:14:05.610 So he was like. So his brother Dean was like, hey, there's two bands down here that are doing really well. You should come check them out. One was tab of the Secret Us, and then the other one was a band called 7 Mary 3, who also later signed to Atlantic. And we just connected with Matt. Yeah, when we started with Matt, it was, you know, listen, I don't know what's gonna happen, but why don't we get together and re record these four songs or five songs for an EP and then try and shop on the ep? Because up until this point, we had just had our local demo of a cassette. Right. Because there was like, there was no website. So like if you. When you're trying to get signed, you'd have a folder and inside you tape a bioset with it. Yeah, with a bio, some bumper stickers. Section of you standing by the train tracks. Fly. Yeah, definitely. Or in front of a brick wall. Yeah, brick wall. And then. And then you have flyers, I guess, just to show people that you actually did play live. 752 01:14:05.610 --> 01:14:05.930 Yeah. 753 01:14:05.930 --> 01:15:01.760 Like put flyers from your previous gigs, you know, in there. And that was the kind of. The whole package. So, you know, Matt came was like, listen, these songs are good. You guys are good. These recordings are horrible. It's sitting by the overcoat, the second shelf. The note she wrote that I can't bring myself to throw away. And I'll so reach the set for no one else but you. You won't turn away when someone else is gone. I'm sorry about the attitude I need to give When I'm with you. But no one else will take this shit from me. And I'm so terrified of no one else but me. I'm here all the time. I won't go with you. Ye, it's me. Yeah, well I can't give myself to go away. Hey, 754 01:15:03.600 --> 01:15:04.480 it's me 755 01:15:06.240 --> 01:17:58.750 and I can't get myself to go away. Oh God, I shouldn't dare. This way. Now reach down your hand. Pick up My head Pour out some hope for me it's been a long day Always say that right but no Lord, your hand won't stop out Just keep your trembling it's been a long day all the way to say that right well I'm surprised if you believe in anything that comes from me I didn't hear from you if you saw the one else and you're so sad in life Man I pissed out there waiting too damn bad to get so far so fast so what so long it's Reach down your hand in your pocket Pour out some hope for me it's been a long day Always say that right When I loud your hand won't stop at Just keep you some more hand it's been a long day oh, we'll sing that right, Sam? Anyway was me yeah well I can't give myself to go away oh God, I shouldn't fail this way now reach down your hand in your pocket Pour out some hope on me it's been a long day always Ain't that right? Well now launch your hand won't stop it Just keep you trembling it's been a long day always Can I say that right? Reach down your hand in the pocket well reach down your hand right now it's been a long day always Ain't that right? Reach down your hand and your will Reach down your hand right now it's been a long day always Ain't that right? Hard and. It really depends on what it is you're trying to go for. I think if you are a solo artist, I think you want to. I think no matter who it is, you want to find someone who kind 756 01:17:58.750 --> 01:17:59.910 of gets what you're doing. 757 01:18:00.870 --> 01:19:34.930 But if you're, you know, I think it's. I think it's a different thing if you find a producer, if you're a solo artist, if you find a producer, if you're a band, I think if you find a producer, when you're a solo artist, you kind of want someone who can kind of bring everything to the table that you don't have, which a lot of times involves the production of things, the tracking the tracks of things. But if you're a band, you kind of want the one who's going to sort of be that missing piece that makes the band come together and have bring out things in the band that you didn't really know were there. And that's kind of what you kind of hope for. But I also think you also need somebody who understands songs. It can't just be about something that sounds cool. It has to be like, this is a great song. This isn't a great song. You need to keep working. Someone is not afraid to tell you those kind of things. Yeah. Especially when you're starting out. I mean, like 20 years into the game, we have a different idea of what we need whenever we step into a studio. But then we. We had no idea how to do anything. You know, everything was. Was new to us. Playing to a click. Yeah. I'd never played to a click track in my life. All of these things, like, when you. It's a skill set that you don't learn playing local clubs and. And doing. And doing that. That. That run, it's. It's a whole different thing. And so at the time, just knowing, you know, learning that, like, it was the first step in learning what makes a good song, what makes a good record, what the difference between a. You know, and. At the time, we didn't even realize then that Matt was learning as well, because he was really young, too. You know, he was only just a year older than us. He just seemed so much more mature and accomplished. 758 01:19:34.930 --> 01:19:39.490 And plus, he had a hit, so he had dealt with all this stuff before. 759 01:19:39.570 --> 01:19:51.040 But when we did the. We did Exile on Mainstream, the sort of greatest hits thing, and I remember we were remastered during it, and we were listening to it, and Matt, we were talking about. I was like. And Matt finally admitted to me. 760 01:19:51.040 --> 01:19:52.640 He's like, I had no idea what I was doing. 761 01:19:52.880 --> 01:20:04.400 Yeah. I was like, really? You know, it doesn't. Doesn't really sound very good. Yeah. None of us knew what we were doing, and. So what should we do next then? Because we. We spoke about Ugly Kid Joe. 762 01:20:04.640 --> 01:20:08.800 Oh, God. You want America's Least Wanted? I definitely want to do that one. That's. 763 01:20:09.360 --> 01:20:17.660 And then there's these other ones that are in. So that. Because that's. That's like a different world of music, isn't it? But then we just went down this sort of, like, rabbit hole of Third Eye Blind Train. 764 01:20:17.660 --> 01:20:18.420 Let's do Train. 765 01:20:18.420 --> 01:20:18.860 Okay. 766 01:20:18.860 --> 01:20:19.940 Let's do Drops of Jupiter. 767 01:20:19.940 --> 01:20:20.460 Yeah. 768 01:20:22.220 --> 01:20:34.740 I think it kind of. I think definitely rolls off the back of this one. Yeah. I can. I. I remember Lizzie having this and Drops of Jupiter, and she used to work in Woolworths. 769 01:20:34.740 --> 01:20:35.140 Okay. 770 01:20:35.140 --> 01:20:40.780 Yeah. And she would have had both of these on, like, when. On the CD changer, when the supervisor wasn't around. 771 01:20:40.780 --> 01:20:41.730 You had both. 772 01:20:41.800 --> 01:20:49.040 Both of these on the. The Woolworths. If you're in Burton on Trent and you had these listening, at least playing. That's probably why. 773 01:20:49.040 --> 01:20:49.440 Yeah. 774 01:20:49.440 --> 01:20:51.480 And they'd have been stealing stuff from the picker mix. 775 01:20:53.000 --> 01:20:53.920 Stealing the worms. 776 01:20:53.920 --> 01:20:59.560 I got loads of my CDs. Have still got the Woolworths from when you stole them. Oh, she got a discount. 777 01:20:59.960 --> 01:21:00.920 So. Okay. 778 01:21:00.920 --> 01:21:05.960 So I'd be like actually real. Yeah. The genuine. And I'd be like can you. And there'd be a list. 779 01:21:05.960 --> 01:21:06.520 Yeah. Yeah. 780 01:21:06.520 --> 01:21:10.890 And I didn't want to pay full price for them obviously. So. So I'd wait. I'd wait for them to be on discount. 781 01:21:11.280 --> 01:21:11.560 Yeah. 782 01:21:11.560 --> 01:21:13.360 And then she'd get a bigger discount. 783 01:21:13.520 --> 01:21:15.520 Great. That's a double discount. 784 01:21:15.520 --> 01:21:39.040 Double dust, double discount. Yeah. And then it was really funny when she first started to work there. There was a lot of thievery of the pick and mix until. Right. So the theory of the pick and mix was like a. A big thing. The people that were there until there was like some. You know they're like stock taking and stuff and. And they did a clean out of the pick and mix. 785 01:21:39.040 --> 01:21:39.400 Yeah. 786 01:21:39.560 --> 01:21:53.840 So they drained everything down and. And she said when she saw what was at the bottom of the pick a mix. Yeah. She never would have it again. She's like. It's like dead flies and fingernails. I'm not. Not doing that. 787 01:21:53.840 --> 01:21:54.480 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 788 01:21:54.480 --> 01:22:03.040 So sorry if that. If you did up. I turned. I had my body weight in. In Woolworth to pick a mix. But it was all fingernails and dead flies. 789 01:22:03.040 --> 01:22:04.680 Yeah. So okay. That's the. 790 01:22:04.680 --> 01:22:07.160 That's. And then we'll do. 791 01:22:07.400 --> 01:22:19.800 I play that song quite a lot live. Used to. And then it just bit off the set. I love singing it. It's such a good. So nice song. It's quite hard. Yeah. Yeah, it's good. 792 01:22:19.880 --> 01:22:45.990 I like it. It's that good. He's. He's got. They did. Oh. I remember I was studying for an exam. One of the first proper like. Like grown up industrial exams that I did at. At work. And it was a real big thing. It was like a. It was like a five week residential thing. It cost a fortune. And you probably like if you fail any of these exams you just kicked out and you. 793 01:22:45.990 --> 01:22:46.350 Yeah. 794 01:22:46.350 --> 01:22:54.710 Big deal. And they had an album. I'm gonna have to look it up. I can't remember. I can't remember the bloody name of it. 795 01:22:55.350 --> 01:22:56.870 Trained it. Yeah. 796 01:22:58.150 --> 01:23:09.980 I'm gone. I'm gonna find it. Because it was now I didn't. I needed an album to still study tea and I couldn't find. There were two albums that I had on like literally on back to back. It was Skunk and Ancest Wonderluster. 797 01:23:09.980 --> 01:23:10.700 Yeah, yeah. 798 01:23:11.740 --> 01:23:18.300 And Trains Save Me. San Francisco. 799 01:23:18.540 --> 01:23:19.340 Right, okay. 800 01:23:19.900 --> 01:23:42.570 And I had them. I remember having them on like repeat. It was literally just those two albums just. Just like clicking from track to track to track. And I remember that I had had that, which. Which I really liked. And then again the memories of. Of Drops of Jupiter as well. Like, it puts me back in that. Like Lizzie working at Woolworths. 801 01:23:42.570 --> 01:23:43.330 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 802 01:23:43.730 --> 01:23:46.210 I mean, absolutely slams me back into that. 803 01:23:46.210 --> 01:23:46.690 Yeah. 804 01:23:46.690 --> 01:23:57.270 But my. And that's where a lot of this music for me came from because she loved it. So like it wasn't my. You know, but for me, this kind of timeframe would have of. I like same as you, really. 805 01:23:57.270 --> 01:23:57.750 Kind of. 806 01:23:57.910 --> 01:24:14.710 I was just getting into kind of corn. And later, just after this would have been like Limp Bizkit and, you know, Lincoln park and this. But this was her music. Yeah, she really loved it and that. So that had a big impact on me. Yeah, yeah. Looking forward to that. So let's do this. Yeah, let's do Drops of Jupiter. 807 01:24:14.790 --> 01:24:15.270 Yeah. 808 01:24:16.630 --> 01:24:23.190 Then I think we should do Ugly Kid Joe. That's a rip roaring album. 809 01:24:23.190 --> 01:24:25.070 Yeah, yeah, Ugly Kid Joe. 810 01:24:25.070 --> 01:24:26.070 So let's do that after that. 811 01:24:26.070 --> 01:24:26.390 Yeah. 812 01:24:26.390 --> 01:24:34.290 And then we'll figure out where we go next. Yeah, I don't know where. I'm not quite sure where Ugly Kid Joe takes us next. 813 01:24:34.370 --> 01:24:38.810 No, no, it's got to take us somewhere. Yeah, it's got to. It will do. It'll be. It'd be really nice. 814 01:24:38.810 --> 01:24:45.730 There's a whole bunch of stuff we've not really touched. Like we could do Limb Bizkit. Yeah, yeah, we could go into that kind of. 815 01:24:45.810 --> 01:24:47.810 There's also. There was also Jimmy World. 816 01:24:48.130 --> 01:24:49.170 Yeah, Jimmy World. 817 01:24:49.170 --> 01:24:51.410 I'd love to have a go at that one as well. At some point. 818 01:24:53.330 --> 01:24:55.230 There's probably like more. 819 01:24:56.830 --> 01:24:58.550 I'm thinking, have we done a Green Day one? 820 01:24:58.550 --> 01:25:00.670 I was thinking there's more Green Day. Yeah, we did. Doy. 821 01:25:00.670 --> 01:25:01.910 Yeah, there's more Green. 822 01:25:01.910 --> 01:25:18.590 There's more space for Green Day and bring. Yeah, there's a whole bunch of stuff we could do here. Off. Off. That. That was a little bit more. Cuz we've been quite gentle. We've been quite grown up. I think the last few records, like you could play to your mom and she'd be like. 823 01:25:18.590 --> 01:25:20.590 She'd be quite happy with it. Yeah. Oh, that's nice. 824 01:25:20.750 --> 01:25:23.190 I'd like to get to some albums that you can't play to your mom. 825 01:25:23.190 --> 01:25:23.750 Yeah, okay. 826 01:25:23.750 --> 01:25:28.520 Yeah, that's where I'd like to get to. So let's. Let's do. Let's do some of that. 827 01:25:28.520 --> 01:25:32.320 Yeah. So train Ugly Kid Joe and then ones you don't place your mum. 828 01:25:33.200 --> 01:25:37.440 Yeah. I don't know where we go do we do. We could go like. Ride the lightning. 829 01:25:37.520 --> 01:25:38.640 Yeah. Yeah. 830 01:25:38.640 --> 01:25:45.920 We could go like. Say we could go do to more Green Day Offspring. Whole. 831 01:25:46.320 --> 01:25:55.110 Yeah, I like whole. Yeah. Let's talk about hole in a minute. Isn't there? Did we do a hole? I'm done. Oh, no, we did do a whole one. Did we do a whole one? 832 01:25:55.110 --> 01:25:57.030 I think we've done it. I'll have to look. I think we did. 833 01:25:57.030 --> 01:25:57.350 Yeah. 834 01:25:57.350 --> 01:26:01.110 Now we've done. Yeah, we'll have to look. 835 01:26:01.110 --> 01:26:01.510 Yeah. 836 01:26:01.510 --> 01:26:02.390 And see what we can. 837 01:26:02.390 --> 01:26:05.110 We're at that point now, aren't we? We've got to look through the archive, see what we've done. 838 01:26:05.270 --> 01:26:12.790 Well, also, there's albums that we can do now that we. We couldn't previously, so. 839 01:26:13.430 --> 01:26:14.630 Oh, yeah. Because of the new. 840 01:26:14.630 --> 01:26:14.910 Yeah. 841 01:26:14.910 --> 01:26:17.990 Actually, well, trains. One of those trains. The trains are 2001 1. 842 01:26:17.990 --> 01:26:20.310 Ugly Kid Joe might take us into Book Cherry. 843 01:26:20.310 --> 01:26:21.160 Yeah. Yeah, yeah. 844 01:26:22.110 --> 01:26:40.390 Which would be really cool. I'd love to do a Donners. Yeah, I love the Donners. The Donners again. That's another one. They're. They're music I scream along to in the car. That's properly mega. I really like that. Raucous. And just. Do you know what I mean? Just. Just mega. Let's do all that. It'd be great. 845 01:26:40.390 --> 01:26:40.710 Yeah. 846 01:26:40.710 --> 01:26:43.350 Rock and roll. Thanks for coming and. Yeah, sorry. 847 01:26:43.350 --> 01:26:43.710 So.