This is a journey into sound.
Boy, boys are rubbish when they fall out, aren't they?
This is a journey into sound.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And it was dead.
So it's like a supergroup.
It's like a John Bush band thing.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
It was just dead good.
It was like...
So that's not Armoured Saint.
No, no, it was like a totally, totally new band.
I think they've only done one album called Category 7.
If you've not heard it, go and listen to that.
So the band was called Category 7?
Yeah.
If you like that kind of exodus-y, slayer-y, anthrax-y stuff, you'll love it.
It's dead good.
Machine Head style.
I think it's a really cool album.
Yeah.
But yeah, John Bush was dead good.
Yeah, yeah.
But then I remember this album came out.
And a writer.
That crucial end.
I mean, at the time, I don't think I realised that he was a writer.
Because as we spoke last week, the writing nucleus of the band is the drummer, isn't it?
And the rhythm guitarist.
Scott Ian, Scott Ian, they do the writing.
They're like the crooks, aren't they, of the writing?
Yeah.
They would do the kind of the four-track.
I'm saying four-track like it's 1985.
They would do the demos and stuff.
And then the rest of the band would pull together.
But this guy's a new creative force.
We would constantly like bang stuff off each other where he would start lyrics to something
and then give them to me or I would start lyrics and then give them to John.
And it just worked out great because the stuff he would come up with, I know I wouldn't have come up with.
I think there's a whole bunch of influences that change here.
Which is like you could really underestimate the change of this by going, well, oh, it's just the vocalist change.
So we've lost Joey and we've got John Bush, who writes differently, has a different, a much more growly voice, I think.
Like Joey's voice is quite high.
It's rangy.
It's kind of, yeah, it's got that kind of power metal sort of thing, hasn't it?
But then John Bush is like listening to Alice in Chains or something or James Addiction.
It's a more grungy sound.
Yeah, it's darker and grungy.
It's weird for a band like Anthrax, who's been around in the 80s, and to make a change into a new decade.
I think it's difficult for most bands to do that.
And Anthrax has done it with very much a smooth transition.
And obviously I feel like I'm part of that transition.
But then you also had a change in record label.
So they switched from Ireland to Electra.
And then Electra connected them to Dave Jordan.
Yeah.
Now, Dave Jordan is, I mean, he's done, looking through the stuff that he has done back here.
I mean, he was, he was doing like Red Hot Chili Peppers.
Yeah.
So he did, 1984, he was the engineer for that.
It's in Social Distortion, Jane's Addiction, Alice in Chains, Fishbone.
Yeah.
In 91, he did Armoured Saints.
Okay.
So they already had that relationship.
Symbol of Salvation.
Yeah.
Dude, I didn't know.
I'm just reading down the list.
There's a bunch of stuff I didn't know about this, actually.
He did Break Like the Wind, Spinal Tap.
Are you excited about the film?
I'm so excited.
It's not far off, is it?
No, it's not.
And I keep seeing things on the internet.
I keep seeing bits on Facebook.
I so want to go and go and talk.
And they're all good.
They're all, they've, you know, they've got their thing, haven't they?
They know exactly what they're doing.
Do you know what it is about the Spinal Tap?
Just, it feels effortless when you watch, do you know what I mean?
It's like, I don't know.
I always wonder with things like that.
Is it how much of that is improvised?
Tons of it was improvised in the first one, wasn't it?
The famous, they turn up to 11, is improvised.
Yes, that's improvised.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And it's Christopher Guest, isn't it?
Yeah, yeah.
He's kind of the, because he did that Best in Show as well, didn't he?
There's a few films that he was a part of.
Oh, it's great, but it's all that same humour.
Is it?
Yeah, that Best in Show was like dog shows.
There's just something about it where it's like, it's the delivery, the timing of it.
And I just.
The best one for me was The Amp Capo.
Yeah.
In the second kind of documentary they did.
It was like a reunion tour, wasn't it?
That was it, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, The Amp Capo, where you just moved it up the amp.
Yeah.
Oh, my God.
That was my favourite.
It's just, I mean, it's clearly written, but it feels just so good.
And the rock and roll getting to the stage.
Honestly, almost every gig, me and Dan quote that, because we get lost somewhere.
Yeah.
We definitely always get lost.
I forgot where I was.
Sorry.
We're talking about.
Dave Jordan.
Yeah.
So he.
I'm just, I was just looking at my, my, my tablet.
It's a good name.
Dave Jordan is.
Dave Jordan.
I think you thought I was going to be a producer.
Dave Jordan.
It sounds like a wrestler.
Dave Jordan.
Anyway, as I was going through.
So he did Sacred Rike as well.
He did Sound of White Noise by Anthrax.
It's a good album name, right?
He then did a bunch of stuff.
He did like, um, uh, Biohazard.
Yeah.
The Offspring.
He did Ixnay on the Hombra.
I forgot about Biohazard.
Um, Americana by The Offspring as well.
Oh, did he do that?
Yeah.
Did all kinds.
He's just.
What did he do?
Which albums did he do?
Ixnay.
Ixnay and Americana.
Yeah.
They're both great sounding albums.
They are.
Looking down his list, you know, I'm looking down this list, looking for something that I
might, that I would like.
I don't think I would like that.
You'd have to go back to like, I don't know.
He did Dirty Work by the Rolling Stones.
I quite like that.
Yeah.
Nothing Shocking by Jane's Addiction in 88.
Um, he did Talking Heads Remain in Light in 1980.
So it's eclectic as well.
Yeah.
So it's not just the gross thing.
Frank Zappa, the man from Utopia in the early 80s.
By the time he did this album, he'd been producing for 30, didn't he?
He'd been producing for 13 years.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And there's quite a bit of like new wavy, a bit new wavy there as well, isn't there?
A lot of it.
So he was engineering and mixing up to, like started really in 1980, engineered and mixed
up to, I would say like 86.
Yeah.
And then started to produce.
So, um, but one of the first ones he produced actually was Nothing Shocking by Jane's Addiction.
Got to do Jane's Addiction.
Yeah, we have.
We've definitely got to do Jane's Addiction.
I do like Jane's Addiction a lot.
They get, they get, they get kind of like, not forgotten about, but they're not spoken about
as much as they're such an influential band, really.
It's like, Black Crows are a bit like that to me.
Yeah, yeah.
It's easy to forget how good they are.
Anyway, so he was dead good.
So we've got vocalist change.
Yeah.
We've got a label change.
Yeah.
And we've got Dave Jordan.
Yeah.
And then engineering changes as well.
Yeah, yeah.
And then the world around Anthrax has changed, you know?
Yeah, yeah.
So, so there was a definite step away from that kind of thrash, really.
Yeah.
Well, really conscious.
There's not much thrashy on this at all.
No, it's kind of, it's very hard rocky.
Yeah.
Even proggy bits.
Yeah.
Anthrax.
But again, like Megadeth and Metallica, they were hard rock at this point.
All of them.
Yeah, okay.
Yeah, yeah.
Everyone had made the transition.
Metallica was smashing out Load and Reload and all that.
And were the fans going with them?
Yeah.
Really?
They were just like, yeah.
You were either going down this path or like extreme music was probably still, still going.
And you had Death and things like that that were still kind of going through.
But it's interesting, if you were a Metallica fan, you know, they, what, mid-80s?
This is like mid-90s, so it's another 10 years.
So if you picked up these when you were 15, you're now in your late 20s.
Yeah.
And so, I don't know.
You kind of go with, I'm thinking about Green Day.
Yeah.
And I'm thinking about, because obviously I got into music a little bit later than this.
Guitar music, you know, in a big way.
And I was an early adopter of Green Day and I got into them really early.
Yeah.
But loved them all the way through.
Yeah.
And as they evolved.
You evolved with them.
I love their stuff with them.
Up until more recently, where I'm not really switched on to it very much.
But the, maybe it's the same as that.
Maybe it's.
Maybe.
But then Green Day haven't changed stylistically much.
They've written like some, they've written loads more pop songs.
They've got really good songs and writing and that.
Yeah, that's true.
But in terms of like the essence of the music, it's still punk.
It's still a bit rock and roll.
Yeah.
Full chord.
Whereas this, I think where I'm going with it is the Anthrax is such a different sound.
It is.
It's almost like the difference between something like Rage Against the Machine and Audio Slayer.
Anthrax is a heavy metal band.
Granted, we've done a lot of things that have probably really pushed the boundaries of what
was known as heavy metal.
Whether it was something we did in rap or something we did with this or with that, it's always sounded
like Anthrax and that's the one thing I love about this band is I feel we could do anything.
It tests all different kinds of genres and this and that, but you know, putting all these
different things into our music and it's always going to sound like us.
It hasn't not sounded like us yet.
So I never feel limited or stifled or anything.
Actually, I think they found like a new audience.
Yeah.
I mean, like Metallica did as well to a degree.
Like when I discovered Metallica with like Kill Em All and then we had a like Master and
then, you know, then they started to go like a little bit, I think kind of quite proggy
Metallica did.
So you kind of heard it and Justice.
Yeah.
And then you had the Black Album.
Yeah.
And then it went.
Which one had one on it?
It was on Justice.
That was the turning point, wasn't it?
That was bizarre.
That was a bizarre sounding.
That was like Uber.
And we covered that, but that's like Uber dry.
Yeah.
Super weird sounding.
It was quite a cool sounding record, but Uber weird.
No, nothing sounded like that.
You could play somebody three seconds of that and they would know which album, even if they
were a Metallica fan, they probably know which album that was wrong.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
But the bit that's interesting for me with Metallica is by the time you're
into Load and Reload, they're hard rock songs.
There's nothing thrashy about it.
There's nothing thrashy on the Black Album.
There's nothing really thrashy on Unjustice, to be honest.
It's really, it's getting quite technical.
Yes, yeah.
I mean, even Blacken's not like super fast, really.
So, but it's interesting.
I think they then collected a ton of new fans for the Black Album.
Yeah.
Like with Enter Sandman and stuff.
And I think the same is true of Anthrax here.
Yeah.
Only was the big single.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Kick drum beginning.
And it kind of really, but the productions, the drums are dry sounding.
Lovely, beautiful drum sound on this record.
Really, really good.
The guitars, I think, you know, I think Spinal Tap-esque.
The compressors are up at 11.
Yeah.
There's a solid wall of guitars, whereas you compare that to, like you said, it sounds like
a different band.
Yeah.
If you compare that to, you know, if you compare that to where they were on the previous record,
it was kind of scooped as mids as scooped a little bit.
And, you know, the guitars have got a little bit of texture to some degree on A Persistence of Time.
Yeah.
There's a very different guitar tone.
Yeah, absolutely.
100%.
Whereas this is kind of, it's, yeah, slabby, thick, it's heavy.
I like it.
I like this sound.
I think that's the, yeah.
I've got a very, very distinct guitar sound.
This sounds 90s to me, and it's interesting.
I think Persistence of Time still got that 80s tinge to it, whereas this is like full-on,
you know, I guess it's chasing the success.
I think this is all chasing the success of Metallica's Black Album.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But then also, it's like, you know, what Alice in Chains were doing, and, you know, it's chasing
that stuff, I think, whether it was calculated.
Yes, yeah, yeah.
Or whether it was just, and we've talked about this before, where, you know, whether you've
just been influenced by what's going on around you, you know, you're in a studio, you've got
a new vocalist, you've got a new record label with the, you know, expectations that that brings,
and then you've got, you know, a bunch of new people around you, and engineers and mixers
and all those people.
I don't know whether you, I mean, are you just going to be influenced by what you've heard?
Yeah.
Or is it a case of, well, Alice in Chains are dead successful, and Metallica were dead
successful.
Yeah.
We're just going to, you know what I mean?
We're just going to, you know what I mean.
We're just going to be, you know, we're just going to be, you know, we're just going to be, you know, we're just going to be, we're just going to be, you know, we're just going to be, you know, we're just going to be, you know, we're just going to be, you know, we're just going to be, you know, we're just going to be, you know, we're just going to be, you know, we're just going to be here.
We're just going to be, you know, we're just going to be, you know, we're just going to be, you know.
We're just going to be, you know, we're just going to be, you know.
We're just going to be, you know.
I don't think a human being could live that long.
Yeah, I never gave a damn.
I was never even a fan.
The only thing that makes me smile is your pain.
I don't even care.
When did you see it?
Anyone fair?
Say I'm not enjoying this one.
I don't think I'm not enjoying this one.
I don't think I'm enjoying this one.
Should it be a new back?
Should it have had a new band name?
Should it have been a different?
Yes, we've talked about that before.
It is so different, isn't it?
I think it's a big difference from things that we've done in the past,
especially having John in the band.
He kind of injected.
I mean, we have a singer in the band now who's writing lyrics
and who's a big part of the creative process.
I think I'm a pretty soulful singer.
And I think I have an aggressive sounding voice.
And I think you combine that with the aggressive anthrax music.
It just, to me, it just makes it even that much more powerful.
We have a singer now in the band who was writing and a part of creating the songs
because with Joey in the band, he never, he didn't write anything.
He wasn't a part of any of the creativity of this band really.
And it was just becoming more and more of a frustration because we really wanted to have a singer
who would be able to walk in a studio and be singing something that he had a hand in.
The first time as a band, we kind of put ourselves in the hands of someone else
who had this vision from the start of what he wanted things and how he wanted things to go.
The idea behind that song is based in religion and morality issue of abortion.
And instead of just coming out and kind of slapping you in the face with an opinion,
we just went about it in a way where we created a situation.
There are some people when they leave a band that you think, you know, that's it.
Like when Ozzy left Black Sabbath, that for me was still Black Sabbath.
And even when like Dio did like such an awesome job.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But it didn't, that's not my Black Sabbath with Dio.
No.
I mean, completely love what he did.
Should they have called it something else?
Yeah.
And it's, there's, I think there's so many cases of that where you just think actually,
I mean, Sepultura is a brilliant example.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Where, when the kind of core members, all that was left really was Andreas Kisser and Sepultura
and they carried on with the name and they sounded for me not Sepultura anymore.
No, no, it was a different beast.
Yeah.
You know, and you've got to think like if, if James Hetfield left Metallica.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And they got somebody else.
Yeah.
Would that still be Metallica?
Yeah.
I'd argue probably not.
But then Linkin Park, when Chester died, they came back with Emily.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Bizarre.
That's still Linkin Park to me.
Yeah, great.
Still sounds like Linkin Park.
Still feels like Linkin Park.
Still got the same ethos there.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I don't know.
Someone of a, actually totally different gender.
Yeah.
And it's, it's, oh, mate, I, I, I do not know how you would, you know, what are the rules?
Where's the line?
Where are the rules?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
There's gotta be a rule for this somewhere, but I don't know what the rules are.
Like, sometimes it makes sense.
Yeah.
And you think, yeah, that's totally fine.
AC/DC.
Mm.
Right.
Vocalist change.
Yeah.
Then they do the Black Album with Brian.
Yeah, yeah.
Smash it.
Absolutely brilliant.
Still AC/DC.
Yeah, yeah.
Vocalists change.
That's interesting, isn't it?
Yeah.
And it just doesn't work.
It's not the same.
I wonder, I wonder if it's the creative nucleus.
It could be like, Skid Row's a good one for this, right?
Yeah.
So Skid Row, when Sebastian Bach left, Sebastian Bach wasn't a key part of the songwriting.
No.
Although, not, I mean, you never really know the truth with, with Skid Row.
But they, they, they claim that the, that was all Rachel Bolan.
Mm.
And, you know, the writing was all happening there.
And then, uh, Seb would just turn up and belt the.
Yeah.
Belt the song.
Yeah.
And then, and then go home kind of thing.
Yeah, yeah.
And anyone could kind of come in and do the same job.
And when he left, Skid Row stopped.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You know what I mean?
Skid Row stopped being Skid Row at that point.
Yeah.
And I think possibly because his voice, his stylistic voice was so unique.
Right.
That's what you, that's what you get.
Yeah.
But he wasn't a big part of that.
The creative bit, right.
Same thing with Anthrax.
Like Jerry Belladonna's voice is, is rangy and dynamic and unique.
And not, no one really sounds like Jerry Belladonna, but I don't know.
Like this album still sounds like Anthrax to me.
Yeah.
I know it sounds different.
It sounds radically different, but it still sounds like Anthrax.
And I don't know what I, and I cannot tell you why this still sounds like Anthrax,
but Skid Row's albums after Sebastian Bach don't sound like Skid Row.
No.
It sounds like really hypocritical and kind of like, you're just making it up as you
go along and probably are.
Yeah.
But it's weird, isn't it?
Yeah, it is weird.
Like some bands just seem, yeah.
Like one person will leave and that seems to like, that's it.
Yeah.
It's just kind of game over.
Yeah.
Like imagine, I don't know, like Megadeth without Dave Mustaine.
Yeah.
The Pumpkins without Billy.
Yes.
Yeah, absolutely.
And he's gone and done a few other things and called it something else.
Yeah.
But it still sounds like the Pumpkins to me.
Yeah.
That's the thing.
Because his voice is so, it's just, no one sings like that.
No one's got that voice.
Yeah.
I mean, it's bizarre, isn't it?
Like I'm thinking like, like Napalm Death went through vocalist changes when Barney took
over.
That changed their sound.
But their sound was kind of changing anyway.
And it still sounded like Napalm Death to me.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
The vocalist change.
And there are bands that haven't had change.
Like I'm thinking of Prong.
Yeah.
Like Tommy Victor's been part of, you know, he probably is his band essentially.
But they've not, they've stylistically been the same.
All the way through.
There's very little deviation.
You could put any song on any album and they'd still sit together, wouldn't they?
Pretty much.
Yeah, they've, yeah.
I mean, the production gets better, you know, and all of that stuff.
And the songs, I think, get better.
But yeah, there's not a big stylistic change in any of the Prong records.
But yeah, it's super weird.
Interestingly, this change from Anthrax didn't last that long.
They did this change.
John Bush, I think, did two records, three records.
And then Joey Belladonna comes back in like 2011 or whatever it was.
But I find it, they didn't immediately go back to persistence of time, Anthrax.
No.
They kind of stuck with this kind of heavier, darker sound.
background.
And then they've kind of gone back a little bit lately in the-
I'm actually thinking it's amazing that they're, they're still, they're still a creative force that aren't necessarily dining out on their back catalog.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Which is an interesting thing.
Like when they're doing the new, you know, they did a couple of new tours.
Yeah.
You know when they saw my download, didn't we, a few years ago.
And it all sounded fresh.
It didn't, it didn't, it didn't sound-
You know when you have a band and they've been going for, you know, hundreds of years and you watch them and it's like, oh, they're just playing the great, like, I made the great example.
Yeah, yeah.
You're watching that.
They're putting on a show.
It's very, very theatrical.
It's very well rehearsed.
Kiss, same, the same.
It was that same year, wasn't it?
Um, oh no, it was a year after.
But there, but it was that, that thing.
But you know, you're watching almost like a legacy arena band.
Yeah.
If that makes sense.
Yeah, no, you're right.
Whereas when you watch Anthrax, it's still a bit rock and roll.
It's still a bit like-
Yeah.
They've got something to prove.
They've got something to do, you know.
I think they, yeah.
Yeah.
I think they absolutely love it.
Mm.
And do you know the other thing I love about Anthrax?
Um, and if you're not on, I think it's on Instagram.
I get confused when I do social media, but it's one of the like shorts.
Yes.
Things like the YouTube shorts or Instagram shorts or whatever.
Um, Scott Ian and his son play other bands songs.
Yes.
So they'll do like Metallica and Slayer tracks and his son plays and plays the drums.
And I don't know.
But there's just like, you know, when you see somebody, you can quite clearly see he adores
this stuff.
He's just having a good time in his life.
Scott is just having the best time.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
You know, this isn't, he's not, um, I think what you saw with Slayer, Tom Aurea particularly,
this was a job to him.
Yeah.
This was a nine to five job.
He turned up contractually, got told where to go, did his stuff and then finished.
Right.
I don't think he was in love with what he was doing.
Whereas I think Scott, I mean, any opportunity and Scott Ian is there playing on it.
Like there's any kind of like, you know, aid project for somewhere as an album to play
on.
There's a, you know, a tribute to somebody that's Scott Ian's there.
Yeah.
With his stupid V shaped guitar riffing away, banging his head.
Do you know what I mean?
He's just having the time of his life.
He's like a puppy.
But you see that enthusiasm from him still.
And I think if you're in a band with somebody like that, if you're on any kind of project
with somebody like that, who's got that much enthusiasm, it's going to pull you through,
isn't it?
It's going to carry you on a little bit.
For me, I think, like Charlie Benante is the brains and the commercial behind.
He's got the commercial announce behind.
He's the guy that understands how the business works, where the money comes from, how they,
you know, continue to make the anthrax business tick.
Yeah.
And I think that that kind of undying passion for metal is Scott Ian.
Not that the rest of the band don't have it, but I think he's like wound up to 11 all
day, every day, you know?
Yeah.
And it was lovely.
It was brilliant to see him at the Back to the Beginning tour.
Yes.
Scott was in like Anthrax.
He was in like all the other bands.
You know what I mean?
He was like every time a guitarist like Scott would come out, you know?
And you could just see he's like, he's like that.
I don't know.
The face is just beaming.
You know, there's this grin on his face.
Just like, I don't know, like a kid in a sweet shop.
Yeah.
But yeah, I don't know when they'll stop because Megadeth have said they're stopping.
They're no more now.
Yeah.
And I don't know whether, I don't know what Anthrax will do, but I tell you what though,
if Anthrax do call it quits, Scott Ian will be in another band.
10 minutes later.
I'm doing this now.
Yeah.
I'm hoping now of him stopping.
I don't think, I think he's going to be playing for, you know, forever.
But yeah, I didn't, there's something particularly nice about that, you know?
Yeah.
It's like a live show as well.
So if you've not seen Anthrax live and you like them, you don't think that they're going
to be like a tribute band.
Yes.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's...
Yeah.
You worship the ground, you barely walk on
You can't prove yourself, but your angels are gone
Deny your body's screaming
But your heart and your soul are bleeding
Just a fall asleep is a godsend
Until your demons appear again
I am a witness to your demise
The biggest secret is one you can't keep
Lift up your hand if you're only asleep
You try to hold on to reason
Why can't you see that you're leaving?
My love for you knows no distance
I can't fight your resistance
I am a witness to your demise
I am the one who saw through the blind
But your heart and your soul they are bleeding
Just to fall asleep is a ghatsin'
Until your demons appear again
I am a witness to your demise
I am the one who saw through the blind
My love has always been blind
Give me the one thing you can't hear
Take me to the black lodge where you live
Give me the one thing you can't hear
Take me to the black lodge where you live
Give me the one thing you can't hear
Take me to the black lodge where you live
Give me the one thing you can't hear
Take me to the black lodge where you live
Give me the one thing you can't hear
Take me to the black lodge where you live
Where you live
Everybody in the band is just so easy to get along with
And there's such a good rapport that it's kind of astonishing
I've only been in the group a year
I feel like I've been in this group ten years now
Which is really good
It's a real good comfortable environment
The other thing that I got
And it's funny you should say
You brought up back to the beginning
And something that I think is really important to talk about
Is the sense of community that these bands appear to have between them now
Yeah
Because I don't know if
I don't know about the scene back in the day
But I don't know if it was
You know like when some bands
Where everyone's a little bit competitive
Like that hair metal thing
Was a very competitive
Kind of world to be in
And it was a little bit like
Everyone was wanting to do the
You know, be better than the other ones
Yeah, outdo the
Yeah, we can have a bigger rotating drum kit
Yeah, yeah
There's a lot of that
Whereas I get the sense with this slot
Whereas it's probably more like
The grunge thing
When they're all
In each other's pockets
In each other's bands
Yeah, yeah
They're all in everyone else's bands
Yeah
I think
I'm not sure it was like that
Quite so much at the time
I think in the
I think in the mid-80s it was
Yeah, yeah
They were all playing in the same places
All borrowing stuff
And you know
People were in each other's bands
And that kind of stuff
And then I think
Through the commercial years
Probably not
So those kind of
You know
The mid-80s to the mid-90s
Probably
I don't think it was
Lots of these bands went on hiatus
From like mid-90s through to the mid-2000s
Yeah, yeah, yeah
Or even later than that
Probably like 15
Well, yeah
I don't know
Probably 10, 15 years on hiatus
Many of these bands
Yeah, yeah
Just dining out on cash that was made
You know, previously
But I think now
Yeah
There's this
I mean, so many of them died as well
So many of them died to drugs
And to drink and stuff
Yeah, yeah
I think there's kind of a bit of a camaraderie now
Yeah
Where, you know, we're all in it
Yeah, I guess a dying animal, right?
Yeah, yeah
They don't make rock stars quite like that anymore
No
So they're like, you know, we went through it
You know, so I definitely think there's an amount of that
Yeah, yeah
I sensed it this year
Even on a little level
When we were doing the download thing
Yeah
And the 2000 trees and things like that
They'd never sensed
I'd never sensed anything where anyone was like
Not being cool
Yeah
You know, not being cool with each other
And it all felt
Everyone was quite happy to have a chat
And hang out
And
It was Dan with you
Yeah
Dan
That was Dan
For those that don't know Dan
Dan
Dan looks rock and roll, doesn't he?
Yeah, yeah, he is
And we don't look rock and roll
So we never
We're walking through there
And we're like, oh, somebody's dad's lost
But then
But then, like, Dan will be there
And then, like, I don't know
Like, Kiss just walk up to Dan
And go, alright, Dan
Yeah
Like, Dan, how do you know that?
It was the guitarist from Ghost, wasn't it?
Ghost, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
And we're like, how do you know that?
How do you know that?
He's like, oh, I just know him
It doesn't make any sense, Dan
Yeah, it just is
Yeah
But he knows everyone, doesn't he?
Yeah, yeah, absolutely
That was Dan, for sure
Yeah
Everything's cool when Dan's around
Yeah, definitely
He needs to come on the show still
Yeah, yeah
People are thinking
He's been saying this for years
People are thinking he doesn't exist
He played
We did a thing the other day
He was playing this Telecaster
That he's borrowed off someone, mate
Oh, that cream
No, no, no
It's a different one
Like a Sunburst thing
That he's borrowed off someone
One of his mates
Borrowed
And it's like, that other person could not have that guitar back
That's, it was like, he made it sing
It was, you know
Dan's good thing
He plays an amazing player anyway
But, like, this particular guitar
He just connected with it on some ethereal level
And, you know, it was the point where I was like
I was like, I was just extending things
By double or treble, you mad
Just to hear him riff over it
And have a great time
I always remember that story
Where we came back from London
Yeah
And we got Paddy in the back of the car
And me and Dan
Paddy was knackered
Yeah
So he was like, you know
He's fallen asleep in the back of the car
Yeah, yeah
And me and Dan were playing heavy metal in the front
And we'd forgotten Paddy was there
Yeah
And then, like, about 45 minutes into the journey
I just heard Paddy go
You two, stop playing heavy metal
I'm like, oh god, yeah
I forgot
Trying to kip
Trying to have a kip
Poor Paddy was trying to have a nap
Well, there you go
Oh, do you know, we were
We went through
You know, when you kind of have that journey
Of music
We played everything from, like, the cult
Yeah
To, like, Carcass and Napalm Death
And, like, all the bits in between
And, like, we were playing Black Crows
We played, like, Jane's Addiction
It's really interesting
Because I don't listen to music on the road at all
Don't you?
No
I can't cope with it
No
We went to the Lake District
It's like six hours
Yeah
Radio 2 all the way
And I wanted to poke my face off
It was horrific
It was just, like, awful
Michelle Visage
Quiet music times
It's just, oh god, kill me
It's awful
And then on the way back
I made them listen to Tool and Perfect Circle
For six hours
I mean, that's quite
It's wicked
Yeah, it's proggy, that isn't it?
So bloody good as well
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
Do you know when it's kind of like
Oh, it's just
Yeah
This is
I tell a lie
What I'll do is
I'll be obsessed with an album
And I'll have it rolling round
Yeah, yeah, yeah
On the way, and on the way back
I'll do that a few times
Yeah
That's something that hits quite a lot
If there's, like, an album that I really want to get into
I'll use a car journey to kind of, like, lose myself into it a bit
Into it, yeah
No, I'm very much a listener on
Yeah
But then I've not got a car where my phone connects to it
Hmm
And I'm not a bit lazy to get CDs out
Even though I've got the world's biggest
We're going to do that in a bit, aren't we?
It does
Is this the first week of the CD pack?
Yeah
I
Yeah, no, I listen to all kinds of stuff
So I listen on Apple Music mostly
Yeah
And
Both cars that I'll drive
They've either got CarPlay or Apple Music in them
So I can just listen
And I like it
Because it kind of remembers what I've been listening to
Yeah, yeah, yeah
So I'll be at my desk
Yeah, yeah, yeah
And I'll listen to music
Yeah
And then I get in the car
Yeah
And it kind of remembers
Like, the last albums
Yeah
That I've been listening to
So usually like the one that we're doing for the show
And then there'll be stuff like in orbit around that
They'll kind of, you know, you know what I mean?
Like, for example, this week
There's like loads of Armoured Saints
Yeah, yeah, yeah
And, you know, other bits of stuff like that
Yeah, you see, I'm more of like a
Chuck a podcast on an audiobook kind of driver
Yeah, you do
I don't, I can't do podcasts when I'm driving
No
I really struggle with that
I do at home
Yeah, yeah, yeah
I listen to podcasts loads on
But when I'm driving
It's got to be music or nothing
Yeah
So like, yeah
But
Yeah, I do podcasts and audiobooks, I do
Do you?
Yeah, I do, yeah
I like, I tell you
I love Hitchhiker's Guide when I'm at home
Yeah
I reckon I've listened to Hitchhiker's Guide a hundred times
Oh wow
Probably
The original, the original BBC
Yeah, the original BBC one from the 80s
I've got the original CDs
Have you?
And yeah, I listen to those
Are they yellow?
No
They've not gone yellow?
They've stayed silver
Beautiful, I'll have you know
But they're so, I've listened to them so many times
I've kind of memorised
Yeah, yeah, yeah
So I know exactly what's coming
And Leo, my eldest, he listened to it to go to sleep to
From when he was like two or three years old
I discovered that he would go to sleep to it
Yeah
And I loved it, so we would listen to that
And now he's like totally
Goated to it
Yeah, yeah, yeah
It's so nice to hear him come out with Hitchhiker's Guide gags
Yeah
And his teachers are like
Oh, yeah, yeah
You're one of us, aren't you?
Yeah
But yeah, it's cool
But you know, I do listen
I listen to loads of music in the car
Yeah, yeah
I like screamy along music
I take, like music that I love when I'm at my desk
Often I don't love
Yeah, it's different vibes
Like I've been listening to Dillinger Escape Plan a lot this week
Okay
Oh, last week
It's Monday
So last week I listened to loads of Dillinger
And like between The Buried and Me
And kind of that kind of stuff
I don't like that stuff in the car very much
No
But I do like this album
I like Sound of White Noise
I like kind of stuff I can do
Like Green Day
Yeah
Offspring
Yeah, yeah, yeah
Love all that
You know, stuff that you can properly
Totally
Yeah
I think I'm a bit of an old man though
Because I'm like
There's all this new music that I don't know
And I'm not
Oh
And it comes on and I'm like
It's alright
Yeah
Oh yeah, that's good
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no
And then Pumpkin's back on
Pumpkin's back on, yeah
There's nothing wrong with that though, is there?
Yeah
I've got a CD in my car
Have you?
Yeah
I bought myself
It cost me two pounds
I bought a 1990s copy of Superstar Car Wash
Ah
You've not got a vinyl yet though, have you?
Two pounds
The vinyl
Yeah
399 pounds
And I'm just like, no
Just, no
It'll arrive though
You'll find one
One will come up for about 50 quid
Definitely
The one did come up
One did come up about two weeks ago
Yeah
And it was on YouTube
Not on YouTube, on eBay
Mmm
And I saw it within a millisecond
I rang the store
Mmm
And he said, someone's been in to get it mate
Wow
And I'm like, what?
That's, no
Mmm
Stupid
Mmm
Metal Blade Records produced it
And I think they must have printed like five
Stupid
Absolutely stupid
I tried to find a record shop in
We were in a place called Whitehaven at the weekend
I love Whitehaven
Do you like it?
I like the rum shop there
Do you?
Jefferson's Rum, is it?
I don't know
Oh yeah, no, you're right
A rum museum
They've got the harbour
Yeah
And it was lovely
We went to a place called The Howling Wolf
Yeah
And had a burger for lunch
It was lovely
Yeah
And I thought, I just, I'm just in the mood to go and look at records
Mmm
And the kids went, oh no, boring
Where is it?
There's the Pencil Museum
Is that in Whitehaven?
There is
I don't know
There's a property
There's a Pencil Museum
I don't know if there'd have been a Pencil Museum
It might have totally gone
Yeah
But I, anyway, I programmed in the sat nav to go to the record shop
Literally a man's house
Wow
And I wasn't brave enough to go in
It was like a guy's house
Yeah, yeah, yeah
And looking online
It's like, literally he's got boxes of records in his garage
And you go and knock on his door and say, can I have a look in your garage?
And he's like, yeah, you can have a rummage
And then, there you go
Where's a rummage?
But I, yeah, I didn't, I didn't dare do it
No
So I didn't
There you go
What are we going to do now?
Facts
Um, I've got a short but interesting set of facts
Short but interesting
Is that a, do they call that a sting?
Yeah, that's a sting
Not the sting?
No
Every prayer you take
Royalty's
Yeah, he'll be there
He'll be there
He'll be waiting at the bottom of the stairs when we leave the studio with his hand out
You owe me a tenner
Um, this album, Sand of White Noise, was released on the 25th of May 1993 on Elektra
The band's first album on Elektra
Um, the first with John Bush, the last with Dan Spitz
Now, I have a question for you Mr. Baldwin
Yes
Dan Spitz
Yeah
Not only left Anthrax
Yeah
Left the music world entirely
What did he do?
Oh wow, this is a good game
It is
You will not guess this, but guess
Uh, I think
So I'm thinking about Daniel Day-Lewis
Yeah
And Daniel Day-Lewis as an actor decided that he just wanted to be a cobbler
And do shoes
A bit like that
So I think it's that kind of thing
It is a bit like that
Where you
He became
One of
The world's
Most eminent
Master watchmakers
Oh, that's so cool
So he left Anthrax
Got two degrees
And then he went to study at Shopard
And there's a
There is a
In Switzerland
There is a
Like a
The greatest watchmakers of the world
I've got a thing
I can talk to you about that
About
But he went there
Yeah
Then
Off air I've got a thing
Actually I've got a thing
Have you?
Yeah, yeah, yeah
Really interesting thing
So he went there
And you have to bear in mind that that school take ten people a year
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
And there are thousands that apply
And he was one of the ten that was chosen
Is that where Geneva is?
Yeah
Well, yeah, Geneva's in Switzerland, yeah
Yeah
So he did that
And then he went off and did a bunch of other stuff
And then became one of the master watchmakers
He works on watches like hundreds of thousands of dollars
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
Now he's got his own watch company
Yeah
In the US
What's it called?
Dan Spitz watches
Something like Dan Spitz horology
Hort horology
Horology, yeah, yeah, yeah
Something like that
Spitzaland
You've got to call it Spitzaland
Of course you've got to call it Spitzaland
What else are you going to call it?
Oh my god
Oh
Okay
He needs to sort it out
Oh god
Honestly
Why is he not calling it that?
Spitzaland watches
Anyway
Yeah, so not only did he leave music
And leave anthrax
And go into watchmaking
But he's like
Dead good at it
Yeah
He's like a world
World renowned
He's
He's defined in the
Information about
He's one of the watchmakers that watchmakers call when they get stuck
Really?
So absolutely
So if he was watching the YouTube video
And the man who takes the watches apart
Refurbishes them and puts them back together
Wristwatch Revival
Which is just dead good
Yeah, it's one of my favourite YouTube shows
He'd understand it
He'd know where all those bits go
Oh, he's the guy that the Wristwatch Revival guy would go to and tell
I can't do this
Mate, I've put this thing in the wrong place
And he'd be like
Oh, totally fixed you
It's upside down you dickhead
I need to
But yeah, anyway
I
I just thought it was excellent
I just think it's one of those things which is phenomenal
That is so cool
And the pictures
That is so cool
When you see pictures of Dan Spitz
From back in the Anthrax days
He looks like a heavy metal guitarist
Yeah
Then you see pictures of him now
He looks like a watchmaker
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
Totally different dude
I'd definitely do that
If my eyes were good enough
And I could see
They have all big magnifiers, don't they?
Yeah
I definitely
That's what I'd do
I'd do that
Another top tips
And we've talked about this before
But if you like wristwatches
And you need something to go to sleep to
YouTube Wristwatch Revival
Yeah
And it's just
I'm watching one when I get home now
Oh, so good
If ever I can't sleep
I love it
It's so calming
Yeah, yeah, yeah
But the thing is
Even though it's quite calm
There's like a story arc
Where he starts taking things apart
Yeah, I don't know
Because I got stressed
Yeah, you're going
Oh, he's never going to know
Where to put that back again
And then as he starts assembling again
Your heart rate
And you're like
Oh, he does know
And it all comes out of the watch cleaner
And it's all beautiful
And then
Oh, I love that a lot
So that's like
Yeah, what's that art called?
That's got a name to it
Oh, I don't know
When you create tension
And then you resolve it
Anyway, yeah
That's what he's doing
He's very clever
But he's good, yeah
He is
It definitely does that
The album
Despite
Having fairly significant changes
So the first one with John Bush
The first one on Elektra
Very radically different style
It reached number seven
On the Billboard 200
Which was the highest
Their highest ranking album
To that point
So radical change
New
New, new things
New production
Dave Jordan
Doing the
The knob twiddling
In the studio
And
Yeah, I don't think anyone
Really knew what was going to happen
No, no
And absolutely smashed it
It was certified
Gold
In
1993
So it sold half
That's half a million units
On the release year
Has some lovely singles
One of them
My favourites
Is Black Lodge
Yes
Black Lodge
Was co-written
With Angelo
Badalamenti
Yeah
I don't know whether I've said that correctly
You nailed him, mate
We played that one a bit earlier
Angelo Badalamenti
Yeah
It's nice to say it
Yeah, Badalamenti
Badalamenti
Yeah
Oh, do you know
It's-a-me Mario
Yeah
You know when he goes
It's-a-me Mario
Like that on the Nintendo
Yeah
I always used to think it was
It's-a-me Mario
Yeah, that's not what he's saying apparently
Oh
It's itsumi
Which is a Japanese word
Oh
Which means super
Super Mario
Yeah
God
I feel educated now
There we go
Where'd I got to?
I don't know if that's true
Well, it is now
But it was a meme, so
It is now
Yeah
Oh, so Black Lodge
Black Lodge
Co-written with Angelo Badalamenti
And
Yeah, it was
It was
Part of
Twin Peaks
It was taken from
The Black Lodge
And Twin Peaks
It was
Obviously
A crossover thing
But bizarre
Sounds wicked
It's a wicked, wicked sound
Bizarre track
On an Anthrax album
Yeah
No
Like distorted guitars
It's really proggy
Yeah, it's quite cool
It's dark
If Opeth
Put that out
Menacing
You'd be like
Oh yeah
It's quite dark
Quite menacing
This is not a fact
Well, it is a fact
But it's not a fact
There's an Amiga game
Called Dune 2
Came out in 93
And me and my mate Tony
Would put this album on repeat
On his compact disc player
And then we would play Dune 2
Till like 2 or 3 in the morning
Yeah
And then go to college the next day
Yeah, yeah, yeah
And when you're like
I don't know how old it would have been then
But like
18 or whatever
I think that's what we're doing now
Is it?
I think we're doing the same thing
Like
Because we don't normally leave here until about that time
Do we?
No, no
If we're doing it
But it's like
We used to
And it was fine
Yeah, yeah, yeah
We used to get up at like
6 o'clock and go to college
Yeah
And at no point did I think
Oh, I wish I hadn't stayed up till 2 o'clock
Yeah
Mining spice
Do you know what I mean?
I just used to like
Turn up to Burton Technical College
And smash out a maths exam
And I'd be like
Brilliant
I'd be in the pub
For the rest of the day
And that was the way it was
Yeah
Right
Yeah, so that was
That was Black Lodge
Very cool
Very weird track
For an Anthrax album
But it turned out to be
Big
It was a big single
Oh, it was a single?
Yeah, yeah, yeah
It was a big deal
Producer change
So Dave Jordan
Dave Jordan produced
Massive stuff
And it made this album
Sound massive
Jane's Addiction
Alice in Chains
And yeah
It's an interesting
Tone change for me
Yeah
Clearly
Lots of compression
Yeah, yeah, yeah
Apparently
Dave Jordan
Used this multi-mic
Technique for vocals
Wow, okay
So
To allow kind of
Movement in the vocal booth
And a bunch of other things
Yeah, yeah, yeah
There was multi
Layers of compression
On the guitar
Guitars
And you can hear it
It sounds
Yeah
It's like
It's got a punch
You've got a weight
Yeah, I like the sound
I do like the sound
I particularly like
The drums on
Only
Yeah
I'm just dropping that in
Because you said it
Somewhere else
But I can't find
Where you said that
So I'm just saying it again
So I can put it here
This is where
Only's going to go
Yeah, yeah, yeah
I'm just saying it's going to go to the floor
Yeah, yeah, yeah
I'm just going to go to the floor
Yeah, yeah, yeah
I'm just going to go to the floor
Yeah, yeah, yeah
I'm just going to go to the floor
Yeah, yeah
I'm just going to go to the floor
Yeah, yeah
I'm just going to go to the floor
Yeah, yeah
I'm just going to go to the floor
Yeah, yeah
I'm just going to go to the floor
Yeah, yeah
I'm just going to go to the floor
Yeah, yeah
I'm just going to go to the floor
Everything is perfect
Everything is sick
And that's it
You can't tell me to stop it
You can't tell me not to quit
And that's it
But move around yourself
It's you and no one else
Hard for me to stay
Swing and moods have changed
Calmness to direct
Unpredictable
You would see it
Only
You hadn't taken things out of my hands
Only
You never wanted to understand
Classic ways to live here
Compromise for me
Yeah, yeah
I'm at both ends of the spectrum
You're somewhere in the between
I come clean
You'll fall around yourself
It's you and no one else
Hard for me to stay
Swing and moods have changed
Darkness to direct
unpredictable unpredictable you would see it only you had to take anything down on my hands only you never wanted to understand
so
you had to take anything out of my hands
only you hadn't taken things out of my hands only you never wanted to understand
only you hadn't taken things out of my hands
only you never wanted to understand
crucify
terrify
and sacrifice
my whole life
i can't contain myself
i just can't take myself
the drum sounds
gorgeous
on this record
it's
it's like
we talked about this before when we did sepultura and soulfly
it's like some albums
some albums don't need
a gorgeous drum sound
i don't think
i'm trying to think
has metallica
ever had a good drum sound
i don't think
any of their record
yeah
the black album had a quite good one
reload had a quite good one
and load
they were quite good drum sounds
for me
but i like that sound
yeah
for me they sound very generic
yeah
very generic sounding
yeah
kind of
yeah
you know
i do like generic
american hard rock band
yeah
do you know that's it's that's what it sounds to me i think
maybe and justice
has got an interest interesting drum sound
yeah
st anger's got a horrific drum sound
yeah
um
biscuits in that snare isn't it
awful
and i like i love 80s thrash
yeah
that record sounds horrific
but you know
um
yeah
some bands have just never had a real like
what i would consider like a
like a
exquisite drum sound
yeah like
like um
Korn have got a really cool drum sound
um
sepultura
they've got a really cool drummer
they've got a rip
they've both got really good gojira
that drum sounds good
gojira's got a really good drum sound
and a good drummer
yeah you
but like some bands don't
and and i think
um
yeah for me
the anthrax drum sound
up to this point
was like
standard issue
all right american
yeah
the american thrash metal
yeah thrash metal drum sound
this album
yeah
doesn't
it's got this
no
like it's kind of
dry
but it's got a
it's got some ambience to it
yeah there's a bit of room on it
yeah
it's very well it's very compressed
isn't it she's yeah it's that as well
proper proper proper good drums i love it and only really it just absolutely whips that out in your face
yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah um uh touring they did massive tour again they did um all of their albums they seem to stretch the release cycle massively and they would be relentlessly uh uh uh you know absolutely relentlessly doing stuff um i looked here when i did the blog on setlist fm they played in cardiff on the 9th of november 1993 and they played almost the entire sound of white noise album wow which is weird
yeah so our bands even on the active tour will tend unless they're on the active tour will tend unless they're on like an anniversary tour like i saw um deaf leopard on the hysteria tour and they played the whole album and then they played the whole album and then they did some other stuff like it's part of the thing isn't it
with a band with a band on a new album tour you might get three or four tracks from it and then they'll play some from the album before some from the album before um but on this one they didn't leave the whole sound of white noise which is interesting um the band and the to the track only that was the big single um gets called out as being one of the most important singles in anthrax's history
anthrax's history it was one of the best performing and it's one that uh gets ranked uh highest so there are things like indians and you know caught in a marsh and there's a bunch of others from that that time period
um but interestingly only is one that massively leaps out even amongst the kind of fans of the the thrash yeah yeah they still they still like that um it was initially released on compact disc and cassette i was trying to find this on vinyl yeah didn't happen this was at that era where vinyl just wasn't being released like the goo goo dolls superstar car wash
he never got released on vinyl metal blade released like three copies of it in 2017 and now it's 500
bloody pounds and i can't afford that no so i treated myself to the compact disc it cost two quid you could well you could color it in couldn't you it just makes me very grumpy just makes me really really grumpy reissue it or something yeah dickheads yeah uh and that's the end of the facts that i've got there uh oh no
did i don't did i miss another i don't think i missed another fact did i no i'm good that's kind of
most good facts of the facts the thing is i don't want to do too many facts i think it's important we look in
your cd flap should we play a song yeah play a song yeah i like this next one yeah and then we shall uh
do have a look what is it what have a look have a look within the flaps what are you gonna play next i have to say your cd
the flap holder smells yeah it's got a smell it's got a smell it smells it just smells
uh package rebellion oh
uh
so we've just
had uh
a
conclave
what's that
so that's like a
secret meeting
like with witches
yeah but we did it
we did it live
on it
on recording
that you've
deleted
that I've now
deleted
so no one's
ever going to
know the contents
of what we
just did
I've forgotten
it as well
so the crux
the crux of it
was that we
we did exactly
the plan that
we've been
building up for
for about a
month
which was
opening said
wallet of
dreams
we have
and finding
different cds
yeah
and then
doing the
tattoo thing
and not agreeing
on anything
no just
changing your
mind
for about
10
about 10
minutes
it was
excellent
podcasting
I have to be
honest
so I
I've forgotten
already
what you
so where we
landed was
we both
chose one
yeah
and then we
both splintered
off on our own
little journeys
of discoveries
going oh we
could do that
we could do that
i have to be honest
i think people
that listen to
this show
will all
really really
empathize with
that but
you find an
album that
you've not
listened to
for ages
and then
immediately
your brain
goes oh
what about
this
what
i remember
this and
then and
then you
that's it
you've gone
down a rabbit
hole
i went down a
stone temple
pilot rabbit
hole
yeah
so i went
down a
incubacy
kind of
incubacy
silver chair
all the
tones
yeah
but we
actually landed
on white
pony
deftones
white
pony
yeah
so it's
good time
to probably
do it
i have
not
listened
to that
yet
so i
do you
know what
i'm gonna
listen to
their new
album
it's supposed
to be
mega
it is
so good
it's nuts
i've even
seen
um
uh
like like
people that
would normally
be gushing
over like
1980s
heavy metal
yeah
you know
and nothing
released after
1995
is any good
absolutely
just raving
about it
yeah
so um
they're a band
that is um
like you
you rarely hear
people say
bad things
about deftones
no
you know what i mean
they're
i think when we
watched them once
at download
yeah
i think they had a bit
of a rough day
sound wise
it wasn't quite
they are a band
that i think
would
like yeah
there was
but i think we just
watched corn
oh god
or corn
were like
one side of them
and that's just like
live sound is
yeah
phenomenal isn't it
yeah
they they've
they've got like
some sound jedis
going on
but it's really
good their life
sound
i think um
but but then
paddy was talking
about the other
week so he went
to watch deftones
yeah
and said they
were like
they were
like unbelievable
really
like another
level
yeah
i think um
so not all
bands work in
like open air
festivals
you know
some bands
are
like i can't
imagine like
stephen wilson
or porcupine tree
working very well
like that
i can't imagine
tool working
very well in a
festival
in a cave
or a forest
yeah
tool in a
forest
well
stephen wilson
in a cave
see i can imagine
tool working well
in an arena
yeah
like you're in an
arena show i can
imagine tool being
epic in an arena
but i can't imagine
them being like
massively great at
like bloodstock
no
not that they
wouldn't
no i don't mean
like they wouldn't
be great but
do you know what
i mean i think
as an enjoyment
perspective i think
i'd rather see him
in like an
arena somewhere
where you know
where the sound
is i don't know
i kind of i kind
of feel i want
the sound
everywhere and
massive and you
know being i want
to be enveloped
by it
yeah yeah
and you don't
at a festival
do you it's
kind of like
no not really
there's lots of
other stuff going
on and bleeding
you're either at
the front and
you've got people's
piss being poured
on you or you're
so far back there's
an echo yeah
and you're like oh
i don't get this
but oh yeah
they're hitting it
and then you hear
it a bit later
and it's all
yeah my feet
hurt yeah i'm
imagining my feet
hurting already
yeah thinking about
festivals but i've
gone for a weird
laughter on your
own
oh god that's
just that's just
so true i've no
idea what's playing
there's a bit of an
echo you've gone for
a piss and my feet
hurt
we're just reliving
the festival
festival experience
old men festival
experience i could do
tours of it it'd be
great
oh dear oh good
god um uh but
yeah that's it we're
gonna do definitely
we've not done
deftones we've not
really talked about
deftones either i
think this might be a
bit of a springboard
yeah into that whole
kind of sphere of
stuff because there
was a bunch of stuff
that was kind of
happening around
deftones yeah yeah
um and they do have
like there's like a
certain set of people
that like deftones
yes agreed you
say yeah there
were there were
the people at the
time that were into
deftones and glass
jaw yeah two people
that they were sort
of the bands they
really liked yeah
yeah yeah that is
very true yeah
no i'm looking for
them be good uh so
well thank you for
listening it's been
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yeah yeah it's not
like that mate
following that
following that yeah
that's that's it so
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