The End
Riffology
He went James Hetfield again
That was dead good
I was going to say last week
But we didn't do anything last week
No, I loved it
You made that image
No Riffology this week
Because Chris and Neil
Can't get that act together
I know
To be fair
We've done so well
We have done amazingly well
We
Doing this weekly
I noticed most podcasts
Will do like a monthly
Yeah, yeah
Or, you know
Monthly-ish
Yeah
I think we do really well
I think
I think we
The same sort of personalities
That you and I both have
I would say
This is actually a miracle
That we've actually
Managed to do it weekly
I forget to do things
And it's not
It's like
It's like a squirrel, isn't it?
Do you know what I mean?
You know, you get that
Oh, something's happening
And you go and focus on that thing
Yeah, yeah, yeah
And I can't multitask
And then you forgot
Where you buried your nuts
Yeah, I can't multitask at all
My kids think it's hysterical
I can't
Well, I mean, I can
But I do
Like
There's this brilliant study
Which suggested
If you multitask
You do
Like both things
But you do them at like half
You flip them
Yeah, like half the performance
I'm like
If I do two things
I'm like down at 10%
I can't do either
And it feels like
I'm being electrocuted
In the brain
I can't
It doesn't
You know, it's really weird
But my kids think it's hysterical
When
If I'm trying
Like if I'm trying to read
And they come along
And they want something
Yeah
And like I can't
It's not possible
Yeah, it's not
And even if I'm thinking about something
Like if I've got an idea
And I'm trying to focus on that idea
And this one's like
What do you want for tea?
You're like
No, I don't want to talk
I'm doing the thing
Yeah, look, I can't
It's like I can't
I can't do that
I'm doing
I'm doing this thing instead
Yeah, yeah, yeah
There's two things I heard this week
One relates to that
Yeah
Which is
Being an adult
Is just basically asking each other
What you want for dinner
Forever
Yeah, both of you go
I don't know
Yeah, yeah
And then the second one is
Being an adult
Is
Saying
Oh, it's alright
It'll calm down in a couple of weeks
Yeah
It's always that, isn't it?
The thing is
When it is
When it does calm down
You don't
Take advantage of it, do you?
You're just like
You know, I'll watch YouTube
This week
I watched the Alien Earth
Oh, mate
I haven't watched it yet
I need to watch it
Oh, God, that's so good
Yeah, yeah, yeah
If you like Alien
And you've not seen Alien Earth
Just go and watch that
We went on a date, didn't we?
You and I
To watch Alien
We did
That was so good
Yeah, yeah
That was Romulus, wasn't it?
Yeah
At the IMAX
Yeah
The IMAX
We need to do that again
I love that
I love watching
Like, stuff like that
At the IMAX
It's so good
We watched
Doom, that was good
Oh, Doom was good
This will be another Doom, won't they?
Yeah, we could do that one
Yeah, I liked that
I did all that
Do you know the thing
That I love about Alien Earth as well?
I'm not going to spoil it for anybody
But it's
So when you get to the end
Of each episode
They play
Bangin' music tracks
Wicked
First one was Judas Priest
Oh, really?
I think
Oh, no, was it Judas Priest?
Anyway, they play like
Just massive
Tracks at the end of each one
And they're just like
Oh, that's
Oh, that's a
So I don't know
Who's choosing the music
For it
Because it's weird
All the way through the music
It's very
Very alien
Very atmospheric
It kind of just appears
There's a lot of
Like
Similarities to the original
Yeah, it nods to it
Yeah, loads and loads of that
But then the tracks
That they play at the end
Are not
They're of their time
But they're just like
They know their audience
Yeah, yeah, yeah
Absolutely know their audience
I was going to say
I thought you were going to say
At the end of each episode
They're a bit like Thundercats
Where they say
Don't do drugs, kids
Oh, Thundercats
Thundercats were great
Yeah, Thundercats
A-team
A-team did that as well, didn't they?
I don't know
It got to the end of the episode
And there was like a message
Like a moral of the story
I don't like morals
Yeah, yeah
Don't kill people, people
Don't kill people
See, the last one I remember
Of that was
Be kind to your mum
Those sort of things
Oh, Grange Hill
Yeah, yeah, yeah
And they had
I've forgotten the guy's name
They had the kid's name
Who did
The symbolic kid that did drugs
Yes
And then they had him going
Oh, don't do drugs
Yeah
And then they had the song
They had the song, didn't they?
Yeah, yeah
Yeah, that was
Don't do drugs
Yeah, it was
That's what the song was called
I think
Don't do drugs
Yeah
This week
It's about Sepultura
What's that?
That's good
Five minutes
That's good going
We're in
Five minutes
And then we intro
What we're doing
That's good
So you're Chris
I'm Chris
I'm Marty DeBergey
Yeah, Neil
Riffology.co
There's the website
Yeah
Look at the accompanying blog
To this podcast
Search for it
It's mega
It's absolutely awesome
It's like you look at it and go
It's interesting
It's like the most incredible thing
It's just the most incredible thing ever
It's like
What would President Trump would say
This is the best blog ever
What people say
I'm sure that's what he would say, isn't it?
Yeah, yeah, yeah
People would
People told me
Yeah, I can't do accents
People
People, people, people
It's very good
I am
Because I'd not heard this album ever
Yeah
This is slightly before your time
Yeah, this is like
Because this was 89
Yeah
Yeah, this would have been
If I had listened to this in 89
Would it have been 8?
Yeah
Would it be 8 or 7
Or one of those numbers
And I would have gone
Oh no
This is shit
And I didn't have the audible palette for this
Yeah, so this for me was like
Proper full on life changing
So 89
How old were you?
Let's look at the numbers
I would have been 15
Yeah, so it's that 13, 14, 15 bit
Bang smack
So like I was
I was absolutely in love with
Like Metallica's like
Ride the Lightning
That was from 84
Master of Puppets
It's like Slayer's first couple of records
Like Wasp as well
And Judas Priest as
You know
And Iron Maiden
Yeah, yeah, yeah
There's a bunch of that kind of stuff
And then there was some like
Big heavy thrice
I loved this time
I loved Carcass
Yes
At this time as well
So that kind of stuff
So this would have been early Carcass, right?
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah
The kind of really kind of
You know, grungy
Yeah
Kind of, you know, gory stuff
And kind of early Napalm as well
But this came out
And I remember
Again on tape
So this is like
At this point in time
For me
Life was
Cassette tapes
Pretty much
Some people
You would have had some
Some CDs
But this was mostly
Some vinyl
If you were
Like you might
I remember
You would ask for vinyl
As like a Christmas present
Or whatever
But vinyl was expensive
So what you'd do
Is you'd go and get
Your cassette tapes
From the paper shop
And then you'd go
And wait for someone to get it
And then you'd record it
Or tape it
Or like for this one
For me
It was tape trading
So you would
There were a few
Like really renowned
Tape traders
So you would
You would like
Parcel up like a
Package of like
Six C90s
Post them off
To the tape trader
With your list of
Tapes
And then
What you would get back
Is they would take
One of the tapes
For themselves
And then they would
Fill the others
With stuff
And post them back to you
And then
And then you would
You would get that
And then they would
Send you like their list
Or they'd say
Oh can I have
Sometimes what you
Would get back
Is they would send you
Like four or five tapes
Like a wish list
Yeah they'd ask for
For you to put stuff
On there
And then you would
You would send them back
Yeah
And my friend
Got this
Obviously none of the
It was just all
Like handwritten
So none of the artwork
Or any of
Any of that
But I remember
Listening to
To this album
And just being
Floored by it
Just the
I mean the production
I mean like listening
Back to it now
You kind of think
The production's not
Like super mega
Right
Compared to
You know
Like I guess
A modern metal
Of its era
Of the day
This was
It was
There was something
Going on
It was you know
If you
If you want to
Kind of see
Like if you go
And listen to
A creator record
Of a similar time
They didn't
And a lot of
The thrash
Albums
They were like
Uber thin
Yeah
The drums
Would sound
You know
Particularly nasty
I would say
For a lot of
A lot of albums
Around this time
You know
Really poor
Production quality
And then
This
This came through
And it's
It's phenomenal
This is
Mori Sound Studios
Scott Burns
History is really
Interesting
So I was talking
About creator
Scott Burns
He was a
Computer engineer
He listened to
He loved this music
Listened to
Bands like
Creator
And just
Why are they
Making them
Sound so terrible
And then
Got involved
With the
Two brothers
That owned
Or started
Mori Sound Studios
Yeah
Got involved
With them
Built an
Amazing
Acoustic space
Realised for
Kind of heavy
Music
That the drum
Sound was
Like critical
You needed to
Get the drums
To cut through
The thick
Heavy guitars
And
Figured out
How to get
Triggering
Working
So this
Album
I can't remember
Many before
But this album
Will have been
Triggered
Yeah
Which for
1989 is
Phenomenal
Right
So you know
Being able to
Use
Computer triggering
Yeah
To get the
But the drum
Sound on
Here I
Think is
I mean
Underpins
Sepultura
Don't work
Without
If you listen
To their
As the albums
Go on
Past this
That tribal
Drumming
Just gets
Bigger and
Better and
Better I
Think
And I
Think you
Like roots
Don't you
I do
Yeah
But again
That record
To me
Kind of
Goes really
Tribal
Doesn't it
The percussion
Through that
Record
Yeah
Everything
Extraordinary
But that
Stuff
That doesn't
Work
Without
You have
To have
That really
Kind of
Amazing
Drum
Sound
But it
Started here
For me
It started
I think
And did you
Say that there
Were kind of
Like triggers
They were like
Drum triggers
Yeah
I mean that's
Just incredible
I don't know
In the
89
Yeah
And drum
Triggers
Yeah
Unbelievable
It's bonkers
Isn't it
Yeah
So drum
Triggers
Are
So on your
Drum kick
You've got
Kick
Ordinarily
You've got
Your kick
Drum
Which is
Your kind
Of like
And then
You've got
Your snare
Drum
Which is
Like your
Crack
That kind
Of sound
And then
You've got
Your toms
Which are
Like the
And the
And you
Get lower
Ones
And then
You've got
The hi-hats
Which are
Like the
Sound
And then
You've got
The cymbals
Which is
Like
See
So someone
Somewhere
Will sample
All of those
Sounds
I just
Did
And turn
Those
Into a
Drum kit
Yeah
If they
Wanted to
If they
Were so
Like into
Our podcast
And so
They could
Take all
Those little
Sounds
I just
Made
Yeah
All those
And they
Could turn
Them into
A Chris
Drum kit
And when
They hit
A key
On a
Keyboard
Or a
Electric
Drum kit
Or something
Like that
Rather than
Playing an
Acoustic
Sound
It would
Play one
Of those
Sounds
And that's
That's what
Triggering
Is
So you'd
Sample
Effectively
Like a
Kick drum
A snare drum
You know
Separately
As a
Sound
And then
You'd find
A way
To trigger
That sound
By
Usually
Something
Called
MIDI
Like some
Some sort
Like a
Keyboard
Or a
Pad
Of some
Description
And then
You'd
Hit that
And then
It would
Tell
The thing
The computer
Somewhere
To turn
That sound
On
And then
Turn it
Off
Again
And then
You hit it
Again
And then it
Comes through
Again
And it
Turns off
And
That technology
Wasn't really
A thing
Back in
1989
It makes
You wonder
How they
Did it
But yeah
Phenomenal
I think
Like I say
Scott Burns
Was a
Computer engineer
And the
Brothers were
Acoustics
And
The only
Thing I can
Think of
Is that
About that
Time
Obviously
Was it
The Roland
MPC
The sampler
Yeah
So it would
Have been
Recording the
Kits
Into like
Sample libraries
On one of
Those things
And using
That to
Trigger the
Sound
So you
Hit the
Pads
I have no
Idea how
Yeah
Absolutely
No idea
How they
Did it
But I'm
Sure
There's some
Really interesting
Documentaries
And there's
A book
About Scott
Burns
Which I
Have bought
Myself
I've not
Read it
Yet
But I've
Got a
Copy
At home
So maybe
It goes
Into it
More in
There
So it
Was very
Important
To make
Just a
Killer
Record
And you
Think
I think
You can
Sense
That
Desperation
In the
Performance
Of that
Record
And
And I
Love it
I love
That the
Record
That we
Captured
That on
The album
You know
So I
Think
It's
Timeless
And
The crazy
Thing about
It
Is like
How
Relevant
Those songs
Are today
If you're
Talking about
Beneath the
Remains
Which is an
Anti-war
Song
You know
If you think
About what's
Going on
In Europe
Right now
In Ukraine
That song
Is all
About that
It's
You know
Who has
Won
Who has
Died
Beneath the
Remains
That's it
Man
You know
It's like
So it's
Crazy
30 years
Later
Those lyrics
Are more
Relevant
Now than
They
Even
Before
You know
They're more
Important
Now than
They were
I think
That makes
A little
Special
To
Makes
A little
Cooler
And it's
Just fun
To play
It's all
Tuned to
E standard
That was
Before we
Start
Fucking
With
Tunings
But yeah
It was
Revolutionary
This wasn't
Just like
You know
Turn the
Compression
Up
You know
There was
Some
There was
A lot
Of
Clever
Tech
To
Make
These
Albums
Sound
Like
This
But
The
Morisand
Studio
Like
Was
The
Epicenter
Of
This
Kind
Of
Extreme
Metal
Yeah
Community
It was
An absolute
Scene
And you
Could hear
It
The music
Went from
And absolutely
Was part of
The success
I think
You know
The production
Of those
Albums
Just suddenly
Went up
From
Because of
Morisand
Because of
Morisand
And because
Of
Scott Burns
Yeah
Where was
That
Where was
Morisand
It was in
Florida
Yeah
So yeah
They
But it
Produced
This
Bizarre
Scene
I think
Where
Like Scott
Burns
Used to
Sleep
In the
Studio
He lived
Like an
Hour away
From
Morisand
Studios
So he
Would
Often
When they
Were recording
And working
On an
Album
He'd
Often
Just sleep
On the
Studio
Floor
Yeah
And
This
Record
Particularly
Sepultura
Was
Sao
Paolo
In
Brazil
So they
Were
Nowhere
Near
No
This
Community
And
Their
Music
Was
Their
Music
Was
Tape
Traded
It
Wasn't
Yeah
But you
Couldn't
Go and buy
Sepultura
Album
That's not
True
You could
Buy
Sepultura
Album
But they
What you
Needed to
Know where
To go
And you
You'd
Normally
Have
To
Get
One
I
Remember
Schizophrenia
A friend
Found a
Copy
Of it
Is that
The first
One
Yeah
So they
Did
A couple
Of
VPs
And stuff
But
I remember
Him finding
A copy
Of that
And
Somebody
Trying to
Snatch
It
Out of
His
Hand
As he
Was
Trying
To
Buy
It
There
Was
Like
Uber
Rare
Things
But
Yeah
Mostly
It was
Kind of
You know
It was
Tape traded
It was
Fairly
Underground
Whereas
At that
Time
You know
The
Other
Extreme
Metal
Albums
Were in
Record
Stores
So it
Wasn't
Like
That
The
Whole
Scene
Wasn't
There
It
Was
Just
Like
Sepultura
Were
Out
Of
That
Does
That
Make
It
More
Because
It's
Because
It's
Scarce
Right
It's
Scarce
Do
You
Think
Does
That
Make
It
More
Seen
As
Being
Like
A
Bit
Special
Yeah
When
You
Started
To
Listen
To
Them
And
They
I
Think
As
Well
It's
Like
Because
They
Were
Isolated
They
Were
Part
Of
The
That
Brazilian
Scene
And
The
Culture
So
That
Influenced
Them
And
They
Were
Incredibly
Tight
Band
I
Was
One
That
Was
Cow
Hammer
One
Side
And
Discharge
On
The
Other
Side
And
I
Listened
To
That
Tape
Forever
It
Was
A
Use
Rick
I
Probably
You
Know
Use
That
Thing
To
Death
You
Know
Probably
Play
It
To
Death
And
Yeah
It
Was
Fun
You
Know
Tape
Training
With
Chuck
From
Death
Was
Great
And
Great
From
Morbid
Angel
And
Milly
From
Creator
You
Know
Dark
Angel
Possessed
We
Were
Involved
With
All
The
Bands
It
Is
Too
Much
What
I
Do
Now
I
Involved
With
All
New
Bands
Right
Now
Gate
Creeper
Necron
Carnation
You
Know
I
Still
Inside
Of
Me
I
49
But
I
Still
Have
The
Spirit
Of
15
Year
Old
Phoenix
And
You
I
Still
Look
For
Bands
Get
Excited
When
I
Hear
New
Stuff
I
Like
I
Like
To
Get
Their
T-shirts
I
Like
To
Wear
Them
I
Like
To
Support
You
On
The
Ground
Very
Much
The
Same
As
I
Was
I
Think
I'm
The
Same
Person
As
I
Was
When
I
Was
In
Those
Tape
Trazing
Days
Just
The
Difference
Today
We
Have
The
Internet
But
They
Were
Playing
With
Other
Bands
In
Their
Scene
You
Know
So
That
Became
They
Didn't
Become
Watered
Down
They
Didn't
They
Weren't
Imitating
Yeah
I
Mean
They
Weren't
Imitating
Other
American
Bands
Or
Swedish
Death
Metal
Bands
They
Were
Kind
Of
Trying
To
Be
The
Best
Brazilian
Band
They
Were
It
Was
Their
Local
Scene
They
Were
Trying
To
Be
Brilliant
Yeah
And
Then
This
Record
Was
Recorded
Partly
In
Sao
Paolo
And
Then
Partly
In
Florida
In
Morisand
But
It's
Interesting
A lot
Of
People
Talk
About
This
Album
As
Being
Like
This
In
Between
State
Right
Where
I
Totally
Had
That
I
Like
When
I
Was
Listening
Through
It
Was
That
Thing
Of
Like
I
Don't
Know
Where
This
Fits
I
Know
How
It
Fits
In
The
Timeline
Of
All
The
Other
Bands
That
You
Know
Yeah
I
Kind
Of
Couldn't
I
Couldn't
See
It
Was
Like
A
Limbo
Album
It
Was
In
Between
Lots
Of
Other
Things
I
Mean
It
It's
Incredible
That's
Not
To
Say
It's
Not
Got
An
Identity
Because
It
Has
But
When
You've
Got
All
That
Other
Stuff
Going
On
Which
Has
Very
Clearly
Got
That
Identity
Be it
Thrash
Be it
Death
Be it
You know
Extreme
Or
Like
You know
The
Lightest
Stuff
Or
Whatever
The
Classic
Rock
It
Doesn't
Fit
Solely
Into
Any
Of
Those
Pigeon
I
Gotta
Tell
You
That
The
Era
In
Metal
Was
Great
You
Had
Entombed
The
Carcass
God
Flash
Fuck
Land
It
Was
Like
The
Exciting
Era
Of
Metal
And
We
Rode
That
High
You
Know
And
Touring
And
The
Arise
Tour
Was
Great
Like
15
Month
Took
Us
Around
The
World
Indonesia
Australia
Russia
And
It
Was
Just
The
Beginning
Of
It
You
Know
And
So
Yeah
I
Look
Back
Really
Fun
Memories
Of
That
Time
And
That
Why
It
So
Cool
To
Play
These
Records
These
Nowadays
It
Kind
Of
Make
Us
Remember
Some
Of
The
Good
Times
We
Had
And
Appreciate
The
Record
It's
Got
Lovely
Bits
In
There
Where
There's
Like
Almost
Like
Acoustic
Melody
Yeah
And
It's
Savage
In
Places
And
It's
Really
Fast
In
Places
And
Then
It's
Really
Heavy
And
Chuggy
And
Slow
And
It's
I like
The
Chuggy
Slow
Bits
The
Best
I have
To
Say
They're
Really
Good
At
That
Aren't
They
Yeah
And
It's
You know
It
Was
It
Was
A
Real
I
Think
It was
A real
Shift
For
Them
I
I think
I think the band was super tight before that but I think he brought this ability to craft a song so I brought some melodies and some confidence to go and experiment a little but I think what he brought with him was this structure songcraft if you like.
Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah. And the combination of that and Scott Burns is what lifted is what I think shaped this. Yes yeah. At that time in Brazil we all used to play five shows a year so it was very slow. And we were like really hungry. We want to do more. We knew we could do more. We knew we could be touring. So it was a bit of a frustration of building inside the band. But we knew like we could just keep working.
And things will eventually pick up. And I got a contract. You know I finally got it. We got a ticket to New York and you know drop a bunch of records in New York and one of them was Roadrunner and they called Monkey called us back and gave us a contract.
We were in cloud nine man you know like recording for the first time with a real label and you know with a producer you know so Scott came to Rio we did Beneath the Remain. We worked very hard on Beneath the Remain. I think it shows the maturity of the band.
Yeah I don't know. It's one of those albums that is just I think it's just just incredible from beginning to end. There's no part of this that just feels like an afterthought or a filler.
It's it's all crafted. It's been yeah yeah. It's just bonkers. It's just absolutely flat out from beginning to end. It's either like super fast or it's kind of melodic or it's like chuggy.
There's always something and there's always a change happening as well. There's like you know there's it never stays the same for very long and then you're kind of changing things up.
And again a lot of the death bands a lot of the thrash bands weren't doing that. No no no. And then this kind of because it was like Entombed did Left Hand Path which kind of begins and it has this big breakdown like in the middle of it which is like super cool.
But that's like the year after. Yeah yeah. This is a it's the breakdown is very much a Sepulchurri thing.
What can we put in a song to make it more exciting or you're gonna have a part where everything's gonna it's gonna go the crowd's gonna go crazy. You kind of waited. You kind of play the old song just waiting for that moment for that rip to arrive you know that breakdown.
So those were born for that necessity of an insane breakdown part in the middle of a song and we we live for that you know so it was kind of like the art of making songs that had those things in it. When we play live we lose our mind.
It is isn't it. I think you had like obituary who again they were kind of really heavy and slow and chuggy and I think it influenced them a little bit as well.
Yeah yeah yeah. So I think it's interesting as much as the other areas much as like thrash and death influenced Sepulchurri and you know as they progressed I think Sepulchurri changed the world a little bit.
But they were changing the band you know they were changing the bands around them.
People Remains in 89 and Arise in 91. They were created in the golden era and they captured that moment you know so play them now the people now that they kind of like you know live with the songs and they kind of the songs became part of their DNA actually.
The nostalgic feeling is very strong you know and you can help but you know and please kind of go back to that time and remember the era.
Interesting because when you were talking earlier about the tape trading idea.
Yeah.
This is almost like stylistic trading isn't it?
Yeah. Well you've talked about this in the past where it's like you know the music that you listen to influences the music you play.
Yeah.
Maybe not.
Like you're not stealing chord sequences or riffs or anything like that but it's just it lives in because you love it.
Yeah.
Oh that sounded really good.
Yeah yeah yeah and it'll come it'll come through in some other way.
It influences it influences you know how you how you do things.
so they absolutely absolutely did you know change the world around them you know and where they I mean I wonder if they'd have been bands like Gojira without Sepultura you know that the way that I mean they remind me huge I mean Gojira remind me massively of how I feel about Sepultura you know they I feel similar to to Gojira that I do about Sepultura.
That's interesting yeah.
Yeah that kind of I love that kind of tribal.
Yeah.
You know it's having that I think it's like a drum first record.
Yeah that's so interesting.
You know where it kind of is isn't it it's this but and you have to think that.
And that's Eagle right.
Yeah.
That's Eagle Cavalera.
Yeah.
And Max Cavalera being the kind of singer front man sort of.
Yeah.
Yeah for a while for those for the next like three three or four records.
Yeah.
And then they left to form Soulfly and Andreas because Andreas Kisser is still in Sepultura.
It's interesting I think Soulfly sounded more like Sepultura than Sepultura did for after that switch you know and it's obviously Max's voice.
If you think about the you know the brothers it's Max's voice.
Yeah.
Part of the songwriting was Max and then the drumming.
Yeah.
And I think for me a lot of the yeah a lot of the signature style of Sepultura is in the drumming.
Yeah.
And like clearly in this record like Eagle's finding his place.
Yeah.
I mean the drumming in this record is excellent.
I mean it's absolutely exquisite.
It's excellent.
But Arise was even better.
Yeah.
And then Arise was the one afterwards.
Yeah.
And then Chaos AD was even better.
Yeah.
And Roots was even the drumming for me just gets like.
Yeah.
It just gets better and better and better.
Yeah.
So I think Chaos AD is a Rockfield one as well.
Oh no way.
Yeah.
I didn't know that was done in Rockfield.
I'm pretty sure Chaos AD is a Rockfield one.
Nick Brian engineered it I'm sure he did.
Did he?
Yeah.
He's done loads hasn't he?
Yeah.
That Nick Brian he gets everywhere.
Yeah.
So just the link there for people going what where's his name come from?
Rockfield where's that come from?
We did the What's the Story Morning Glory a few weeks.
Well we did Live Forever and what's not Live Forever.
Definitely maybe.
And What's the Story is like a double kind of exploration a few weeks back.
And that was a Rockfield thing.
And I've been yeah I've got a soft spot for Rockfield.
Yeah.
You've played there haven't you as well.
Yeah.
I did a bit of soft there yeah.
You played the piano.
Yeah.
Done all the things.
Freddie's Piano.
Yeah.
Then he wrote Bohemian Rhapsody on and the Don't Know Back and Anger Piano.
Both lived there.
I didn't know that.
Yeah.
Coldplay's Trouble was recorded there.
Parachute's their first album.
Loads of good stuff.
Yeah I knew they did that there yeah yeah.
Yeah.
It's a cool place isn't it?
Yeah it is cool yeah.
We should do a studio tour.
That's what we should do.
Let's do that.
Should we just drive down to just knock on Nick?
Just go on the Nick.
Yeah yeah.
That's it.
He's not even there he's probably in Spain.
He's like Nick let's go just go out to all of them to go out of the road.
We're doing a thing.
Pull the kettle on.
Yeah.
I have to say the listening numbers for this now.
Yeah.
It's getting crazy isn't it?
It's dead good.
Yeah.
Thanks for listening.
Thank you for listening.
Even on our week off.
We did have a week off yeah.
And what was I going to say is that our listeners in Germany have gone up.
Yeah Germany and Spain.
And America.
So again if you're listening on iHeartRadio.
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You know ages ago we asked if people left us a review.
Yeah.
I haven't looked.
I mean for those of you that are not aware we're not that good at this.
So we do this stuff and then I forget because I'm like I forget about it completely.
And it's literally just occurred to me I wonder if anyone's left us a review.
And it doesn't but it doesn't the thing is that stuff goes into my spam.
Yeah.
Because you don't get it very often.
Yeah.
And I ignore all of the emails we get from Spotify.
Yeah.
Like because it's just I don't know it's just whinging right.
The same from Apple.
So I don't look.
Yeah.
So I better go and I better go and look.
But Lindsay.
Yeah.
Great friend of the show.
She she leaves comments and things sometimes.
Yeah.
And it might take me like two weeks to go and respond to it.
Because I don't it's only when I think oh I wonder I better check.
Yeah.
But yeah.
Yeah.
It's not because we it's not because we don't like it.
It's just because we're not very good.
Yeah.
That's that's yeah.
Yeah.
It's it's far more about we're not very good.
Can we do you know what you when we decided we're going to do this album.
Yeah.
I listen to this album a lot.
Yeah.
I still listen to this album now.
So this according to my last FM numbers.
Yeah.
I think I listen to this about 10 times a year.
Yeah.
So even now even not preparing for the show or anything else.
I just absolutely love this record.
Um but when you're listening to and you're thinking about uh you things to talk about
um it hit me that like the first half of this album is up there as being like one of the
best beginnings to like any albums goes starts with Beneath the Remains which is phenomenal.
Inner Self is one of my I think it's just incredible.
Rex really slow and kind of you know um yeah it's chuggy.
Yeah.
When it's incredible.
We'll see you next time.
Walk on these third streets, with hate in my mind, feeling the scorn of the world.
I want to follow the rules, blame and lies, contradictions arise, blame and lies, contradictions arise.
Not the problem in my inner self, only I've got my inner self.
I want to change my way, it has to be this way.
I live my life for myself, forget your filthy ways, blame and lies, contradictions arise, blame and lies, contradictions arise, blame and lies.
And lies, contradictions arise, and lies, contradictions arise.
We'll see you next time.
Trained by turning, you think you will, but someday you fall and I'll be waiting.
That's all the insane men, you're here, personalized by women, our cancer and death.
That's all the insane men, you're here to be, you're here to be, you're here to be.
One of these first dreams, we'll be hating my mind.
Finish the corner of the world, I won't fall your rose.
We'll be right back.
I think, to me, Beneath The Remains is one of the most raw records ever made in metal in general.
And I believe I know why it's so raw.
It was because it was done at night.
That's a nocturnal record.
Nocturnal record ever since.
We couldn't record during the day.
There was a pop band in the studio during the day.
So our sessions was from midnight to seven.
Like, it's crazy.
I never heard of those hours in a studio for a band before.
It was the only thing available.
We wanted to record in the best Brazilian studio at the time.
And it was Nas Nuvens in Rio.
And that was all that was available.
It was that.
But because of that, just because it was nocturnal, man.
There's something about those graveyard shift hours filter right into the record, man.
You almost feel like the desperation of...
Also because I think it was our shot.
You know, we had this one shot.
It's like you're holding the dice and you're rolling the dice and you got this one fucking chance to make it a good one.
It was Roadrunner put all the chips on us.
They're believing in this band.
We had to make the best record we could make.
So, I was very inspired and very, just very thrilled, man.
And I think it shows on the songs.
I think the growth from Schizophrenia to Beneath The Remains is huge.
I think the band, we all took a step forward.
And then you go Stronger Than Hate.
Stronger Than Hate has got a little bit death.
It goes a bit deathy.
It's kind of thrashy and deathy, that one.
But I really like that.
Mass Hypnosis has got these kind of incredible breakdown bits in there.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Where you've got these phenomenal...
And like stuff that other bands were not...
No, exactly.
You were either thrash or you were hard.
Yeah.
But you had like...
Like Testament did a bit of this.
Alex Skolnick's guitar work is exquisite.
He wasn't scared to stick an acoustic guitar in a thrash record, you know, and do clever stuff.
But not like Sepultura did it.
No, exactly, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Like just, you know, thick in the middle of a track and it just kind of breaks into...
We'll be right back.
So, I'm a huge metal fan, Stu, no matter what.
You know, like, that never went away.
So, I think that's great.
I know that people say, oh, you got to grow out of that phase, but fuck that, I don't want to, you know, I don't want to grow out of that phase.
I'm a metal head for life.
so many other different people and things and all that sort of stuff so and i think there's a lot of
love for sepultura yeah they're a band that people rarely you don't kind of get this oh i hate them
no exactly yeah i mean it's that they are um yeah they're they're they're they're a special bunch i
think but the other thing is um like when you said there that the first half is such a powerful thing
we both like different parts of the of the record yeah that's which is really interesting because
the bits that i like i'm just going through mine now was a massive noses of course because you said
just said there you got to that one that was the and um slaves of pain and lobotomy which i think
that all those are later on in the record aren't they they are yeah slaves of pains quite fast i
think as well that's kind of quite um and then i like lobotomy yeah but that's some of the lead work
yeah i think it was that as well for me i think that is is yeah i think that's extraordinary
um and then um yeah and then like it ends with with primitive future as well which i don't know
again it's it's just one of these um albums i feel like sometimes i love albums because you end up with
like some some albums make tons of sense and they're just like you know i mean it's it's like
super thought thought through and like anything from steven wilson right it's like it's got this arc to it
normally and it's got it's you know like pink floyd or you know there are these albums that are like
connected from the beginning to the end yeah all been recorded you know when the first the first
bit of the first track is actually being recorded all of it's kind of planned right and then there are
albums that are not yeah where there are you know it's a collection of where the band were like if you
look at like appetite for destruction or yeah you know like i guess early metallica right where where
there's you know that they're they're songs that were written and then all put together and there
are songs like some of the megadeth records where they're like every song is recorded in a different
album yeah different studio yeah yeah yeah um you know this one for me is got it's it's got the same
like production qualities yeah but the songs all sound like the same tone yeah but structurally and
and the songs they're all really quite different you know in the way they run and the way they approach
things so like you don't get bored yeah you know it's kind of not an album that you um there's always
something interesting either happening or about to happen yes you know it switches and changes quite a lot
which i don't know i think always i'm trying to like as a 15 year old obviously i didn't really care
about any of that no you just thought oh that sounds really heavy and that sounds dead good and then you
know then i guess i mean what keeps you coming back i suppose isn't it you know those albums from that
time that so do you know like when this album do you know because certain albums i love in the same
way that you love this one i know it inside out yeah i know it track by track i know like when the track
neck the track ends i know what's coming next and all that sort of stuff and i kind of know that i
know the album in a really intricate and intimate way yeah do you have that with this oh god yeah yeah
yeah this this one you yeah this one i know really really well yeah yeah from uh um yeah it's weird
it's like the gap the gap in between the songs you know exactly yeah yeah yeah you know exactly what
where you are and yeah but it's like yeah i know exactly where i am in the album and where i am in the
track so it's kind of like i kind of visualize you know what i mean where i visualize where i
am in the in the album when especially when i'm listening to it in the car yeah um which is interesting
because i don't think young people now who are say 13 14 15 which is where they're creating their
identity and yeah or forming their identity should i say when a lot of it comes through music they won't
probably have that experience maybe in the same way but and i think actually the tape trading has a lot to do
with that because you can't skip them yeah yeah you could be right you can't skip them you have to
listen to the thing all the way through with the album with the because it's recorded verbatim isn't
it yeah yeah yeah because they were the tape i had with this had this on one side an obituary cause of
death yeah and it went into 45 minutes ah yeah because i remember having a bon jovi one it was two
bon jovi albums yeah yeah but because they didn't quite fit on the side yeah they cut halfway through a
song so like there were some albums like new jersey for example which my uncle made made on a tape for me
yeah i never heard the end of the album until later and then and then i bought it on cd and
it was like oh my god there's like three more songs on this thing whatever you know i can't remember i
just remember having that tape and i would i would play on one side then play on the other side then
play on one side then play on the other side um and i remember having that you're right it might not
have even been complete yeah yeah it might have just been like well i guess what somebody felt were
their favorite songs and that was the other interesting thing you wouldn't you wouldn't have seen the
art with the artworks really interesting yeah but you wouldn't have seen it like you you would have
no because because you're at the hand just a hand it would have just been handwritten and then if you
were lucky like this this one it said sepultura and then it would say it said uh brazil right um and
sometimes you would get like um uh what did i get for like there was one there was a one tape trader and i
i traded for a bunch of thrash um uh tapes yeah and he sent me again a bunch of local flyers yeah
yeah for the gigs that were around so you would see that as well so and that's what the artwork that's
the artwork i saw yeah and then it was only like i probably i don't know probably two years after three
maybe yeah probably two years after yeah this like 91 ish we would be out in record stores yeah yeah yeah and
then that's when i first saw the album artwork and those kind of things um but which is incredible when
you think about it like you know it's not like i hadn't seen like you there were record stores in ashby
where we went to school but it wouldn't have carried this stuff no no um but yeah i remember first seeing
this and bought the t-shirt yeah uh and just loved it because the album artwork for this they were both
by uh so so sepultura's beneath the remains yeah and obituaries cause of death uh were both by michael
whelan yeah and the story is fascinating so the story is that sepultura were in roadrunner yes and they're in
the red in the record company's office and they were shown a bunch of album artwork that they could
use yeah also it's almost like they had a a selection that they could choose a bunch of stuff that we've
bought and licensed wow so we've not had this can use we're not creating this for your album this is
this is like this is stock yeah this is well these were four and this i might get this mixed up but the
story i'm pretty sure michael whelan did these for uh like a uh a movie or something right okay it was
done for some for something else yeah it wasn't meant for this roadrunner then bought the rights
to use it as an album i see right okay but they bought loads of it so so yeah so they just almost
like bought the rights to use yeah so what they would do is they would go off and find artists who had
got cool artwork and then would license it and then we'd get it and then and then it was kind of like
hey here's what we've got choose yeah choose one right anyway sepultura chose um so i'm going to
show you now sepultura chose that one yeah oh really the obituary one with the big eye on it yeah so
they chose the artwork for cause of death now it's either igor or max i can't remember has like half a
tattoo and it's of that they started to have that tattoo be made of the big eye oh no and then and then
somebody at roadrunner yeah said no yeah yeah um that obituary better with obituaries album than yours
and then they gave them the um what was called nightmare in red yeah so uh so the the the eye one
is called tales oh god imagine that you've been so locked into this thing you get a tattoo of the
they were split the band they were livid absolutely livid over it but i have to say a lot as great as
the obituary album cover is yeah those two album covers i had them i had them as posters on my wall as
a both of them yeah yeah as a i know we're 16 17 year old i had them on my wall i had t-shirts of both of
those and they were like for me that's kind of the i just love them i just think they're so good this
so intricate the artwork is just phenomenal and just so perfect like that that like you know that kind of
um the nightmare in red yeah yeah for beneath the remains i mean how perfect is that for the album
yeah yeah yeah yeah that really is that that is the the cause of death album cover is brilliant yeah
but the nightmare in red is vibe yeah it fits the album so much better yeah um and yeah anyway so i i
i love i love the story behind it and yeah it kind of gives you a bit of an insight into what was going on
um but i i yeah i just think it's like phenomenal really really phenomenal i think um i think is it fact time
fact do you know because i did the blog um i uh it's it's um i will try and do fact but um i i did it in
in a way that was probably a little bit less facty so um so the i'll do it i'll do my best best facts
best fact so um released in 1989 um it was max cavallera andreas kisser um igor cavallera and paulo jr paolo
um i'm gonna hear paolo paolo yeah and the bit that i think is interesting is that andreas kisser gets
credited for songwriting whereas actually i think it was max and andreas i think the band did a lot of
songwriting but um in lots of articles what i read um it it kind of said uh it like officially tags andreas
kisser as uh songwriting and i'm not sure um was recorded recorded in a bunch of different uh places
um it was recorded in sao paulo and it was also recorded in morris sound studios that we've already
talked about um now morris sound studios was founded by jim and tom morris um but scott burns basically
used it as uh um a home so um he he there's a lovely quote from him where he says that there
was this general consensus that nobody who produced stuff like sepultura gave a shit about it no one
ever tried to make them sound good and at the time jim and tom were pioneers as far as doing drum
triggering and they invested money in pc electronics and figured out how to use that to make really good
recordings scott burns was a computer engineer no he joined them and then that's kind of where the uh
where the thing came from um is there's lots and lots of discussions with him where he talks about
it's just basically trial and error they just tried tons and tons of different things until they got
the thing they wanted the thing that worked um tons of uh stories about scott burns uh sleeping in the
studio but production wise i mean so he did 1988 in 1988 he did death's leprosy um then he did like
sepultura obituary atheist terrorizer um cancer deicide napalm death um there's a lovely bit from napalm
death when they talked about um doing it was for harmony corruption which is kind of a bit of a death
metal record from those that kind of first switch away from kind of grind and over to death um it's
fascinating i was reading um shane embry's biography and he was saying like one of the highlights of his
life was going to morris sound studios and meeting scott burns because i mean they were just kids from
birmingham yeah and and um it's like it's a bit like going to um you know the studio that the um your
favorite albums and bands were you know were recorded yeah yeah but like going to rockfield
yeah i'm recording there um so a huge a huge deal the rockfield um uh rockfield studio um
a big part of that that scott puts down to is getting the drum sound right yeah which i think is the
for me that kind of underpins this album massively um uh the album itself um the tracks aren't too short
so the kind of average like five minutes yeah five minutes which i think is um an appropriate length
for a song slightly slightly too long slightly on the on the long side but absolutely mega
um the big single was in herself there was an mtv uh video as well which is like for um for extreme
metal and and kind of this stuff it wasn't often used they didn't often um i didn't often see that
um there's been a bunch of different versions of it although i'm quite pleased to say you can still get
the original yeah yeah so was released in 89 roadrunner um then there was a european pressing uh it
wasn't released oh you know i've just only just realized it wasn't released on cd initially it was
released on on cassette and vinyl set and vinyl first 89 91 it got a cd and then in 2020 this was repressed
right on vinyl that's the version i've got now right yeah um uh it did not have uh you know the parental
guidance yes not on it no didn't have that which i think is really interesting yeah um they toured with
uh cause obviously called uh obituary on the same label yes so they they went off and did uh uh uh did
touring um there's another bit down here where it talks about um yeah so i'm going to do a quick fact
recap um so released april 7th 1989 recorded in nas newvin studio rio de janeiro and morris sound um
length 4148 which is an appropriate length that is the appropriate length i like that as well um
album before was schizophrenia 1987 production on that was shocking um and then and then they're
a phenomenal band i think for production because then you've got beneath the remains this was the
first one that i fell in love with and then arise yeah the one i stepped up i think that was the best
record that they've done and then uh and then they um yeah they they develop then into this um but the
production just gets better and and the percussion just gets better it's like like i guess um
my take they went out of my taste a little bit but the production and the and the uh the songs on
those albums afterwards just i mean utterly incredible um uh the album's budget was eight thousand dollars
wow which is not much is it no not much at all uh which yeah um scott burns fee allegedly uh was two
thousand dollars right yeah uh which was super low yeah and the quotes are because he really wanted to
work with a brazilian band yeah yeah and he was really really curious um yeah really really curious about
them um they were seen as being a black metal kind of band right that's interesting because the black
metal you normally associate with european bands yeah um album was released on april 7th 89 it reached
number nine on the uk indie charts yeah um which yeah which was pretty pretty cool we've already talked
about the video in a self was on mtv which played on headbangers ball that's kind of what that inner self
that kind of chuggy heavy but that's the one that kind of really kind of uh pushed them through a
little bit i think um and then and that's that's kind of it for facts really there's there's like you
know we talked about there's a bunch of uh reissues and stuff um the band eventually broke up which
you don't want to go into um but it it's interesting they they don't feel any more like my sepultura
yes this this is sepultura to me and then but who are max and igor touring as then now because they
said they still did stuff didn't they so there was a soul flight and then there was a max cavallera
there was the cavallera conspiracy yeah yeah um and then they've just redone uh bestial devastations
and schizophrenia yeah yeah and then because a couple of the interviews that we've put for this one are
from a an event where they toured live they toured beneath the remains and arise yeah it's like a live
thing it's like a celebration of that word but that wasn't sepultura itself was it it's super
weird yeah it's a bit like entombed like entombed aren't entombed anymore either or wishbone ash
yeah it's like two different wishbone ashes yeah it's like oh i don't know what but it's interesting
to me i think that timeline like if you if you follow this the timeline through to the point that max and
igor uh leave sepultura yeah yeah and then soul flight appears yeah that is that's the band that sound more like
sepultura to me and sepultura your sepultura yeah then sepultura changed into like something slightly
that's still awesome i mean it's not like they're they you know were terrible they were great but i've
seen them live and i've seen them live uh way back then and they were great and i've seen them live
um uh with just andrea's kisser and without the cavalera yeah yeah yeah um but and they were great in
both both cases and as much as i'm kind of saying that the for me a lot of that dna of sepultura was
was igor's yes uh percussion yeah um they're still epic today and they're still there today so that that
that dna that um um style if you like you're still there but it's not quite yeah the same
yeah you know it's not quite the the same as it as it was for me um but yeah it's fascinating i think
the way that progresses and then and then soul fly yeah um you know how that how that kind of came about
but but yeah um yeah it's really really interesting album this one and i think if you've not heard it
if you're too young to have heard it this this one um yeah it's definitely if you liked that kind of
era yeah or where this went kind of i guess if you liked where death metal
went around this time that kind of florida scene yeah for me this is this is one of uh you know if you
imagine like a uh like a a table with legs right this is this is this album is one of those yeah
it's one of the legs you know if you think about like scott burns yeah and morris i yeah it's important
beneath the remains is a i think is a part of that yeah um i don't think that scene would have been
anywhere as no no big without the like the influence of uh you know of uh of sepultura yeah i just i mean
not that they were bigger than any of the bands i don't think they were but it's like you said it's
that influence importance thing isn't it yeah yeah it definitely it definitely did something it
mixed it it mixed a gene pool up a lot i think absolutely it's like the um the swedish death scene
as well yeah i mean there's there there's all these kind of scenes that happen and when they happen
around the same time sometimes they're totally isolated yeah yeah um and and i think there was a
bunch of stuff like if you it's fascinating you're going to listen to the tone of the guitar tone
of the swedish death scene and that was the the um heavy metal yeah yeah just with um i saw a lovely
article which talked about the um exquisite detail of how to get that tone and it had to get that tone
yeah and you literally wind everything up to the max that's great and i just think it's just like but
you get this when you do that with that pedal yeah you said you get it yeah you sound you get that buzz
source swedish death metal sound um and so you got that stuff that was going on but then you'd got um
you've got sepultura with this like just like perfect percussion sound and i think that's what yeah yeah
yeah yeah yeah yeah it's but it sounds menacing it's got this dark toned it's the thick dark thick
tone to the like black sabbath yeah yeah yeah like that it's got that kind of which reflects the album
art better than the other one doesn't it that's the thing yeah that's when you when you just said that
then i just had the image of that album in my head going yeah it is it's more skull and it's way
more in keeping i remember wearing it i remember wearing that to school and yeah and like you know
you're not allowed to wear that what yeah um but there there is a um yeah there's it is it's like
some bands do that really like i think slipknot do that i know slipknot get a lot of grief in the in
the press and stuff but then they oh the slipknot were definitely like a follow-on of this thing they
there was an inspiration of this in slipknot yeah sure 100% like the first band i think that did this
really well with slayer yeah where they it's got this kind of menacing like quite scary yeah
kind of tone it's a horror thing isn't it yeah yeah yeah it's like watching a horror movie it's not like
you know you're like a jump scare it's like alien it's just about to come you know i really want to
watch that now yeah um and then you so you you know what i mean you have that where where there's this
um this menacing undertone to it and it's a bit scary it has a bit you know yeah yeah i'm not really
sure about this kind of thing and it's like a slayer with the first band that did that to me
and but this does it too this has got that yeah yeah yeah like it's a bit unusual yeah and it's a bit
you know it's not just following on it's not like no it's not just a metallica yeah you know i mean
chuggy chuggy chuggy chuggy yes you know what i mean chuggy chuggy it's not that it's got this like
do you know what i mean i'm gonna wait till you're asleep and then i'm gonna cut your toes off
do you know what i mean yeah that's what it's got that yeah that's really strange you just said
that i had a nightmare about that once did you yeah i'm going to talk to you about that off air
yeah yeah yeah one of my favorite bits one of my favorite movies is lock stock and two smoking
barrels yeah i i love it if if um for our american colleagues uh if you've not seen lock stock and two
smoking barrels uh it's it's a guy richie movie but when there's no budget yeah it's kind of low
low low rent uh thing um but there's a brilliant bit in there where he's got these two lads from
liverpool who've come down to london and he's giving them this job right but we want them to break into a
manor house and go and steal whatever they can get but he wants these guns out of the gun cabinet
and that's their job so that in they go and there's this old couple in the in the manor house
uh and and they kind of get them and and tie them up and then the camera follows one of them going
through the gun cabinets yeah yeah and when he comes back he's got this old man and he's setting fire to his
toes he's got like but then i love what i love about the scene is um paddy could probably tell us why this
is so good but like he's he's like sitting there and then the two guys that are broken and now start
fighting with each other yeah i remember this video why do you have to burn everybody's toes
and said i'm trying to make him talk yeah why
and it's just i i don't know there's just something exquisite about that
i love movies don't you like me i yeah yeah i do yeah i love i absolutely love and i love those kind of
offbeat you know just slightly off yeah off the beaten path i love those lock stock and two
smoking barrels you should totally if you've not seen it if you've not watched it this month yeah
the world would be a better place if everyone watched that i think that's it well before we hit
record we're talking about you know what's going to sort the world out because everything's a big
mess and maybe it's watching lock stock every week it is an alien an alien yeah yeah love alien yeah
i i i i have i went through when i was a kid someone's a kid when i was a teenager i loved
watching movies like just i i think just that thing that takes you away from reality for yeah and i i
loved it i just it just yeah i wasn't i was never particularly analytical about movies but i i just
loved their ability to take me away and and um and i lost a bit of that i think yeah probably through my
30s and 40s yeah yeah yeah yeah the last probably two or three years i'm looking forward to getting
that back because i know exactly what you're talking about i've fallen back in love with it yeah again
and it's just this ability for someone to lift me up and take me on a a journey yeah and it and it's
interesting it's like um i love alien yeah just as much as i love spinal tap yeah and for the same
reason things they're just they're just like storytelling the the arc the yeah the journey you
go on yeah it is and i love i love something that will make me like a bit scared or a bit sad or
something that's funny yeah yeah yeah i don't know there's just these there's just this like ability
to yeah yeah yeah you know to just kind of pick you up and take you out of the world i'm so excited
about a new spinal tap yeah yeah the clips look great yeah um and it's got elton john in it yeah
i've not seen anything yet really i've not seen anything no oh it's so it's got elton john stonehenge
yeah there are so few movies that can do that what what i mean how old spinal tap yeah this is it
isn't it yeah yeah it's so much fun it's so much fun and just some stat like standards yeah like songs
are standards they're a bit there are parts of that film which are just standards of comedy i i yeah
i i we still quote it now we still so it's a weird so we're like doing you know going out to a gig and
we got like we get we get inevitably wherever we go we get lost on the way um and everyone's like yeah
rock and roll yeah you did that when we were invented we were all carrying boxes and we're in that
everywhere was black yeah i just remember every like corridor we went down was black
and then like dan was in the front and dan was like oh the door's locked yeah and then you tried
another door and we opened another door and you went rock and roll and it was just like
everyone knew what that meant doesn't get any more perfect and then that story where we
it was like two o'clock in the afternoon we were just walking around these black like matte black like
like you know um night club-esque it wasn't it was just like yeah black painted corridors like imagine
a hospital with black matte black painted corridors yeah and then we just all walked out of this door
and we were on a there was like a set like a drum and bass set happening we all just walked out oh
and then walked slowly back in again it's mad yeah i've got one better okay i've got one better this is
ultimate rock and roll this is so this is uh festival number six yeah um in port merion yeah
so they took over port merion for a weekend i think it only happened for maybe four or four or five years
maybe like that um and they you know they took over port merion and they turned the village or the town
whatever it is into like a festival site and there's this beautiful part if you've if you've been to
port merion yeah yeah it's beautiful yeah it's incredible so weird it's like a fantasy place
yeah it's like i say it's like a hobbit village yeah yeah yeah yeah and there's a bit of it where
it just goes into woodland yeah and up sort of up to the right on the cliffs yeah and i decided with
my auntie karen to go for a walk in these woods um chris's auntie karen is legendary yeah you don't go
anywhere you don't go anywhere without and we had to be on stage starting at either three or half past
three in the afternoon something like that yeah and it was this kind of beautiful like pots like
pepper pot kind of like lighthouse thing yeah um it's i say it's so surreal like you know we went on
there and it was like we're on three different levels yeah um and and like i was looking around
the crowd we were looking down on the crowd and then open then all the different and then like
look to the left and that johnny vegas is stood there watching us and the pictures from there i think
sal did them and yeah yeah they were great incredible really really crazy but anyway i was quite
i could it fine like making it to the stage and the reason for this was because when we got into
the woods we got so far in yeah and then got totally lost so we found our place to a cliff like cliffside
path and then people sat there and i felt like i was at the opening scene of monkey island secret of
monkey island during the day and that's what that felt like and i thought i better i better start you
know we're getting there now i better walk back yeah and proceeded to get totally lost in the woods like
like like like like like like lost my bearings yeah i lost foot no signal phones out but whatever
and honestly i ran i ran like through the woods found a way somewhere um and then ended up on the
stage plugging my things in about a minute or two after we were supposed to start and all the lads going
where have you been yeah yeah and i went rock and roll
oh yeah that was like bad that was that was well that's the worst that's the worst that's happened
i think the thing is though you know the the spinal tap
it quite clearly was written by somebody that has been and done those things yeah yeah because that's just
the way it is yeah it's just the way it's a beautiful bit where they stood behind around like the memorial
singing with the fingers and they just can't get it oh it's so good
yeah no i i there's not many movies that do that bill and ted i still like for that a bit more slapstick
but yeah yeah there's just something like so dry about spinal tap yeah where it's not
comedy do you know what i mean it's not like no one's telling jokes no no one's trying to make you
yeah yeah i mean that's the christopher guesting isn't it yeah it's this pure that situation
yeah yeah and it's just the absurdity yeah i mean the bit where the bit where the stonehenge thing is
tiny yeah so how many times people must do that yeah yeah yeah stonehenge all every time yeah
it's good um i don't know what we're doing a podcast sorry we digressed well we're going to be going
in an hour that's good that's very good with the inter when the with the interviews and the music this
will be a two-hour job this one what i was going to say is i had a plan for next week's oh show yeah
i was going to bring i've got your 1990s cd wallet yeah from your car massive in it in my house yeah and
i thought all this week yeah it's been on my desk yeah yeah i think it's gonna be dead good i'm gonna
take it in for chris yeah i'm gonna give it to him and then chris can choose yeah which one we're gonna
do oh and it's still on my desk next week we will do that so shall we do you shall we um play a music
yeah and then maybe we'll think about what we do next i've got an idea oh which i'll voice while we're
playing the music yeah and then and then we'll see and then we'll see whether you like the idea or not
i don't you know what i'm let's just do it you haven't got the idea yet you might not like it
you've never had have you ever had a bad idea we've never had a bad idea
have we no no they've all been brilliant good ideas we did good
so
i shall repeat myself
so
i'm
so
i'm
so
i'm
so
i'm
so
i'm
so
i'm
so
i'm
so
i'm
so
I stand upon the free man, my face I have free him
I don't know what might have lost, I won't be lost anymore
I stand upon the free man, my face I have free him
I stand upon the free man, my face I have social equality
To live again won't be a lie
I stand upon the free man, my face I stand upon the free man, my face I have free him
I stand upon the free man, my face I have free him
What are we doing then?
We're back!
Because my idea, I said my idea and you were very supportive and went oh!
Was I supportive?
Yeah you were quiet and then you told me why it was a crap idea and I agreed and went oh
yeah you're probably right actually, so we won't even tell what the idea was
I was going to say, I was going to go with the flow that this was your idea
Oh really?
Yeah I was going to get this idea, so what we decided to do is to do Soulfly
Yes
Next
Yeah yeah yeah
Because I think it, I think, I think it
Which was kind of related to my idea
Well you wanted to do Arise
Yes
I have to be, Arise I had on CD
Yeah
Which I have found in the garage
Is that how you say, that's how you'd be posted
So I found it in the garage and it reminded me like how much I listened to that record
You know there are some records that you listen to and you're like that's a great record
Yeah yeah yeah
And you listen to a bit
Yeah
And like Hand Justice for All was like that
I liked Hand Justice for All, I had it on tape, I listened to it on the bus into college
But it had a relatively short shelf life for me, probably a year
Yeah yeah yeah
And then it kind of went, whereas Beneath The Remains and Arise
Yeah, they were just stapled
Oh yes, absolutely stapled, yeah
Every time you got like, if you know, every, when I got a car
Yeah
They would have been in there
Yeah yeah yeah
Without shadow of a doubt, right, and I'd have listened to it
So you wanted to do that and I kind of thought that's dead good, it's such a good album
But
Yeah
The story
You let me down really nicely
The story is basically the same as this one
Yes yeah yeah
There's not a great, it's like, you know, same people
You said, rubbish idea in the nicest possible way
I've had training
So we're going to go for Soulfly
But I thought Soulfly
Yeah yeah yeah
Soulfly is actually like what you meant to say
Yeah
Training 101
Isn't it
Yeah yeah yeah
That's where you, because it is that, for me, that is like the next step
Yeah
Not necessarily the next album
No
But it's the next step
Yeah yeah yeah
And we could, I, I, I, it's going to be really cool
Because I've not listened to that record
Yeah yeah yeah
In a long time
And I'm quite looking forward to going back and listening to it
Because at the time I remember loving it
Yeah yeah yeah
But it didn't stick with me quite in the same way as this
Yeah yeah yeah yeah
Yeah you see, I remember it coming out and going, oh
Yeah yeah yeah
There's, there's, there's the next chapter
In fact, for me, I don't, again, it's time again
So I'm not very good at time
You're terrible at the time
Yeah yeah yeah
But it, for me, it's like, that's the precursor for Slipknot
You know, the Soulfly energy
The energy of that, not necessarily style or what they're playing
But the energy of that music
Yeah
Almost like paved the way for what Slipknot became
It was, yeah, I remember listening to Soulfly and it was
I mean, it was huge at the time
Yeah yeah yeah
But yeah, I, that was an album that was
You're right, it was an album that was just like, oh
That's, you know, there's something bigger here
Yeah yeah yeah
Yeah, looking forward to that, I think it's good
And then the week after that
That's where we'll do the CD thing
We are doing your CD flap thing
Yeah yeah yeah
Your CD flap holder
Yeah
But there's, there's some, there's some bonkers stuff in there
Yeah yeah yeah
In your, in your box of flaps
My kids were like, what's in that, Dad?
And I was like, oh, and that's Chris's CD box
And Barney, why is it so heavy?
You will not, I should ask you to guess how heavy it is
Oh, I don't know, I'll bet it's ridiculous though
It's like, it's absolutely full
It's like 20 kilograms
Is it really?
I don't know, it's heavy
Yeah yeah yeah
It's, it's, it's, look, it's uncomfortable
One-handed
Yeah
It's that heavy
You're like, oh, that's a bit
You know what I mean?
You kind of, it's, but it's just, it's just the CDs
That's what, it was a lot of LimeWire and burning
That was, that's what
That's what that CD collection was
How about there's some malware still in there?
Yeah
That'd be great
Yeah, there's even a couple of DVDs somewhere
Are there?
With lots and lots and lots of stuff on
I didn't see, I didn't see that
No, I don't think they would have been in there
They might have been in a tower
A little plastic tower
I know where they are
They're in the garage at home
Are mine
It's just, I've just, you know
Like I can't multitask, right?
But I do have bits where, where my brain just disappears
And then comes back
Yeah, yeah
And I'm quite fortunate
I can keep talking while my brain does that
So like, it feels like, talking feels subconscious
Passing
And my brain just goes
And while you were speaking
Yeah
I thought LimeWire, Lars Ulrich
Yeah
Lars Ulrich
Yeah
Will come and burn your toes
Yeah
That's your nightmare
Your nightmare this week will be
Yeah, Lars Ulrich
Burning your toes
I've got a Lars Ulrich story as well
You burned, you, you, you, you
Burned my CD onto this
I'm going to burn your toes
Yeah
Now I've got a Lars story from Bloodstock
Oh yeah
To tell you
But I can't do it on this
Oh
And what was the other story I was going to tell you
Will we get taken off
Oh, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the toes off story
Yeah
I'll talk to you about those in a moment
That sounds quite scary
Yeah, yeah, yeah
Yeah
But I think we're done, aren't we
Done, done
This has been really
We've done, oh, 80, like another hour
Thank you
Another hour and a half episode that people, people listen to
People do listen to it and they should listen to it
And so if this is you listening to this one
Well done you
And, yeah
Statistically
You are in America
And you are listening on iHeartRadio
Probably in your car
Probably on your way to work
Yeah
Or on your way home for work
Yeah
And I hope we've entertained you a little bit
And I hope that you go and listen to Beneath the Remains
There we go
Because it's mega
Yeah, yeah, yeah
You should do that
And, uh, for homework
For next week
You should listen to Soulfly now
Yeah
And then
Yeah, yeah, yeah
You'll be
That's a good idea
We haven't said about homework
No
Get prepared, listen to it
It is, yeah, yeah, yeah
You could do that too
No, I'm not doing it
Do you know
We had this running joke
Where, like, where I would make fun of you
Saying we would get into the studio
And you would say
What are we doing
Yeah
You've not done that for ages
You were well prepared
I've done really good
You had everything done
And just
Brilliant
Yeah, been good
Brilliant
You're not at work though, are you, at the minute
No
So you're, like, chilled out
Yeah, yeah, yeah
And then you're back at work soon
Yeah
So you'll go back to normal then
Yeah
And it's winter next
Yeah
Is it winter, autumn
Same thing, innit
It's cold
It's cold or warm
Do you know, my youngest went out
He asked Alexa what the temperature was
And she said it was 19 degrees
Yeah
And he was, oh
And he ran upstairs and brought, like, a coat down
I mean, it's been, like, 25 degrees
Yeah, yeah, yeah
For, like, a week or so, hasn't it
Yeah, yeah
But it just made me giggle
Yeah
I was, like, dude, what are you doing
Yeah
I was, like, it's winter
Yeah
No, it's not winter yet
Do you not remember what winter's like?
It's like this
It's 19 degrees
So there you go
There we go
It'll be winter and dark soon
Yeah
Miserable
Yeah
It's, like, a steady
I think I'm alright with winter
I'm probably better with winter than I am with summer, I think
I like winter because I get to wear hats
Yes, of course
And I like wearing, I like it getting cold enough to wear hats
Yeah
But I don't like the lack of daylight
I want somewhere where it's cold
Yeah
But light
Yeah, yeah
Like, is that the Antarctic?
Yeah, that'll do
They do that, don't they?
They have
Yeah
I think they've made the right decision
Yeah
Because they have lots of sunlight
Yeah
Cold
Yeah
And you get to have, like, snow
Yeah, and nobody, no people
Yeah, fewer people, for sure
Yeah
I, um
I remember watching a documentary on sleigh
Slaying dogs
Slayed, slayed dogs
Oh, I thought you meant like vampire slaying
I was just like, it's a documentary on slaying
Like Buffy
Or being like, you know, like, slay
Slay is like
Yeah
Being hot, isn't it now?
Or slay queen and all that
Oh, is it?
So, so you were watching a documentary about that
What happened to Buffy?
They've done a reboot
Have they?
Yeah, one of the many things that there's a reboot of
Sarah Michelle Gala
Yeah
That was dead good
I liked that
Anyway, I watched this thing
I watched this thing about
I watched this thing
Like a documentary about
How you get around in the snow
Yeah
And that
And they were using dogs
And they had sleighs
And they were going through
Going through
And, and the interviewer
Was, was talking about
Preparation
Like preparation and stuff
And what do you, how do you do
And everything
And, and, and it was all good
And then they went on their first kind of day's leg
Yeah, yeah, yeah
Of their, their thing
And then, um
It's just, it's just really funny
So they, they get there
And the interviewer's kind of
Turned the camera on himself a little bit
And is, is, you know
Reflecting on his day
On the sledge
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
On the sleigh
And he said, um
You know
She said, I don't know why this is like
Alarming to me
But nobody warns you
That the dogs
Go to the toilet
While they're running
And they're ahead of you
So, you spend the entire day
Having, like, dog ones and twos
Thrown at you
Yeah, yeah, yeah
In your face
Yeah
Everywhere
And it doesn't go down
It goes up
At you
And it's
But this is the look of, like, semi-horror
His face just like
Like, just spent all day
Well, it's not in the manual
Like, dog wee and dog poofy
Yeah
Being thrust at my face
Frozen
Dog wee and dog poofy
Thrust at my face
For the last ten hours
Does it get, like, freeze on its way
I don't know
But, yeah, it sounded
I mean, I'm not an expert
I'm anyway
But, yeah, that's what it sounded like
I think
It just made me laugh
I want to see a video of it
Just to see what it does
Just so funny
It's like a slow-mo
Yeah, just dog
Apparently, they just
It just comes out
I mean, they can't stop, can they?
Hang on a minute
Yeah, yeah, yeah
So it just comes out
And then, you know
Obviously, like, you imagine the front dog
Yeah, yeah
Does its turd
Yeah
And then the dog behind
Is flicking that up
With its butt
And then that
Yeah, but you're probably getting it
With a bit of snow
So it's like a slushie, isn't it?
Oh, God
Starbucks are quite like a frappapua
Shattachino
Yeah, Shattachino
Oh, God
Yeah
Yeah, yeah
That's what it would be like
That's exactly what it would be like
I just, I love
I love seeing
Like, you know
Like one-on-one footage
Like Blair Witch kind of
Yeah, yeah, yeah
Close footage
Where somebody's horrified about something
Yeah
Love that
Or really disappointed
Yeah
You know, in the horror of something
Yeah, yeah, yeah
It's that human
Yeah, it was brilliant
I'm going to try and find that
I'll send it to you later
Yeah
Shall we
We're a bit off topic now
Oh, we're gone
That was a few minutes of it as well
I did
You said something
Did I?
Yeah, and I thought
That could be our new sign-off
You said it a minute ago
And it was something like
You said like
Oh, well done, you
Well done, you
Yeah, that's a nice sign-off, isn't it?
I do mean that
Because if you've got this far
Yeah, well done
Yeah, yeah, yeah
And I hope you have a
Because statistically
Like I said, statistically
You are an American
Yeah
You are listening on iHeartRadio
And you're probably on the way to work
Or you're on the way home
So if you're on the way to work
Hope it's a good day
And the people you work with
Aren't complete dickheads
And if you're on your way home
Maybe have something nice for dinner
Yeah
Or tea
Or I don't know what you can have
Probably you have a burger
I love American food
Yeah
And I love
Yeah, we have that quite often
Okay
A burger
Kids get dead excited
Yeah, yeah, yeah
Burgers for dinner
Yeah, yeah
Or tea
Yeah
I don't know the rules
Of whether you say dinner or tea
In the UK
It depends on whether you're
Northern or Southern
Yeah, yeah
There is a
Did you know this
There's a line
Is there
Above which
You say tea
Yep
Below which
You say
What are we having for tea
What are we having for dinner
We say dinner
Yeah
If you go
Should we say tea
It's not much further north
And it's not a straight line
Oh really
It's like Hadrian's Wall
Yeah, the dinner and tea line
I don't know if Hadrian's Wall
Was a straight line or not
I don't think it was
I don't know
Scotland
The border of Scotland
That's not
I've got to go to Scotland
I am
Yeah
I've got to do work up there
I like Scotland
I mean
It's like the bit before
Where there's not many people
About the same
In the summer
It's full of people and midges
Yeah
And in the winter
It's lovely
No one
Apart from Scottish people
Yeah
So I've got to go to
Teddenborough
Okay, yeah
Oh no, that's quite busy
I meant the other bits
Where there's no one
Actual Scotland
Yeah
Yeah, I've got to go
Teddenborough
And
I'm there for a few days
I've got to go
I've got to go to London
On the Monday
Yeah
And Teddenborough
Yeah
Wednesday and Thursday
Yeah
I'm going to Glasgow
Oh, you?
Yes
I once got the train
The midnight train
From Glasgow to Edinburgh
Yeah
And it's one of the
Most scary experiences
Of my life
Drunk Scottish
Very drunk Scottish people
On a Wednesday night
Yeah
At one o'clock in the morning
That's a
That's a phenomenal
If you want to write
Like a comedy
Or you want to write something
You're looking for material
Of people to write about
Yeah
Go on that train
Yeah
Because it's nuts
Yeah
It's properly
Properly nuts
What were you doing in
Oh, I could do
I could do like promotion
I could do an actual
Yeah, go on then
Thing that like
People are supposed to do
When they're in bands
Right
Oh, are you playing?
Gigs
Gigs in Edinburgh
Yeah
How are you going to get there?
Glasgow
Up
You're never going to get there
All of you are not going to get there
At the same day
Yeah, so
There's the 13th of September
That's the Sonic Boom Festival
In Burton
Yeah, that's not in Edinburgh
Yeah, no
That's in Burton-on-Trent
Which is in the Midlands
Yeah
Where we say dinner
Dinner
Yeah
And then we're going up north
To Newcastle
To Think Tank
Newcastle
I liked it
Yeah, that was a good laugh
That took like seven hours
It took a long time
Yeah, it was a long time
It's a good laugh though
I like that
So that's the 19th of September
Yeah
And that's the Think Tank
And that's with Big Iron
Oh, good
And then we're going up further
Yeah
Up more
To Glasgow
To the Cat House
Ooh
And then the Cat House
That's going to be the 20th
That's the next day
20th of September
Are you going to do a proper
It's a proper one
So you're going to have a van
That's why I'm doing it in sequence
So you're going to have a van
Yeah
And then you're going to meander all the way up
Yeah, yeah
Door will come off at some point
And then Paddy will just meet you
Looking fresh and relaxed
Yeah, no, I think we're on it
We're on it together
And then to run their Cat House
Yeah
That's the 20th of September
And then we're coming down to Stockport
For the Mercury Climbing Festival
On the 21st, the Sunday
I've worked in all of those places
Oh yeah
Yeah
What's your favourite?
I don't know
I've got
Like
Glasgow I really like
My friend lives up in Glasgow
And we had
We had
Yeah
We had a really nice time up there
Lovely curry
I went to a nice museum
With my friend Rich
Because we went to watch
Brian Cox at the O2
The night before
Yeah
And then there was lots of cones
Everywhere on the statues
Obviously
Yeah, yeah
We
My friend was a massive Oasis fan
Yeah
And literally pointed
Oasis did that
Oasis
Yeah, yeah, yeah
Oasis did everything in Glasgow
So we did a lot of pointing of that
When we were up there
We had a really good time
Got the train
Yeah
I'm not sure I'd do that again
Yeah
Stockport
I loved
I worked there
For
For like two or three weeks
And we all went out
And we went to a pub
And it had a sign saying
No women in the bar
I thought it was a joke
It's not a joke
And they're like
Well why would the women want to go in the bar?
Oh God
Women go in the lounge
Oh
And I'm like
What's the difference between the bar and the lounge?
Yeah
There's women in the lounge
Brilliant
I love Stockport
It was so good for that
Yeah, yeah
Yeah, I had a really good laugh there
And
We always used to play a venue in Stockport
Called The Blue Cat
Oh
That was brilliant
I don't think it exists anymore
But lovely man
Danny Donnelly
Ran it
And
Oh yeah
We caused some havoc up there
That was good
That's
I quite like that
Northeast
Yeah
Lovely
Bonkers
Don't own coats
No
I had a mentor from the northeast
Called Conrad
He was lovely
Proper
Bonkers
Lovely man
Didn't own a coat
So you'd be in London in February
In minus ten
Yeah
No coats
Sometimes would wear a jumper
Yeah
Usually just a short sleeved shirt
Yeah
That's kind of how he
How he attended the world
In shorts
Yeah
Yeah that's kind of how he
Short hair as well
Yeah yeah
Super short hair
That's how he
How he attended the world
Always remember him
For having
Having
He was making me giggle
Thinking about
This
That he had
This is not that long ago
Had an
Original
Hard drive
iPod
Oh wow
With every episode
Of Heartbeat on it
And that's what he used to do
Oh god
And then
Oh god
You're making me
You're making me giggle
And then
The young kids
Would come in
And then
They'd say something like
Oh
Have you seen
Lost
Yeah
And he would then go on
This diatribe rant
About how awesome
Heartbeat was
And then force them
To watch it
With a post from Nick Berry
Yeah
Episode 706
Of Heartbeat
Was so much better
Than anything
There
Watch what happens here
In like
And then yeah
Nick Berry would come out
And it would be
On his bike
Oh honestly
They don't make him
Like that anymore
They don't make people
Like that anymore
Either
No
He wouldn't be allowed
To do that anymore
He's retired now
Is he
He wouldn't be allowed
To force
Like you know
These
Youngsters
The noobies
Yeah
Watching this
This is quality television
Literally
Like you'd be in a pret
In London
Yeah
And all sitting around
And obviously the kids
Would want to go out
Drinking and that
And he'd force them
To watch an episode
Of Heartbeat
On his iPod
And he was there
What's that
He goes
It's an iPod
Yeah
What's that dude
Yeah
And he'd be like
Hey let me tell you
This has got every episode
Of Heartbeat
It's one of the first songs
I learned to play a guitar
That was
We're still going
What
I know
I can see your things
Still going
Oh god
We better go
Sorry
Oh no
That's a better sign off
That's so good
Sorry
Is the most
Riffology sign off
We could ever do
Sorry mum
Yeah
Sorry
Yeah
See you next week
Sorry
you