The Fology
That was very manly
It was a bit James Hetfield that one
Was it?
You reminded me of hugely
Yeah
I've got my sunglasses on tonight again
You have haven't you?
Yeah
Indoors
Yeah
I watched
What day is it?
Monday
I watched Saturday
The Black Sabbath thing
Oh yes
With Jason Momomo
Yes
He was there
He jumped in the crowd
He jumped in the crowd with Pantera
And did the thing
I imagine that's how he'd sing
And I don't know why I thought that
But that's
You know when you imagine how people should sound
Yeah that's the one
He plays bass doesn't he?
Jason Momomo
Yeah bass player
Is he?
Yeah
Looks dead cool playing it as well
He does look cool doesn't he?
Yeah he does look cool
In the Minecraft movie
Oh is he in that?
He is
The Minecraft movie is a bit rock and roll
I know people don't think it's rock and roll
A it's got Jason Momomo in it
And it's also got Skid Row in it
How cool is that?
It's really cool
Yeah
And he plays like Jason Momomo
He's the thing
He's the man
He's like he's this rock and roll man
Yeah yeah yeah
It's still good
Very good
So what's happening then?
We're doing Oasis
Oasis
We are doing both of the
Normally we'd pick an album
We've never done two albums
And we've never done two albums together
And you've got some brilliant artwork that you've made
For the postings
Oh I have yeah
I'm really very impressed with that
Were you?
The way you blended those
I blended them to blended
Because the thing is
Quite a challenge
Isn't it weird?
Isn't it like pathetic?
We were talking about
How we should do this
And
It was
Because we can't decide
Which of these albums to cover
Yeah
Basically
That's the bottom line
I really like Definitely Maybe
And you've got connections to
I love Morning Glory
I love Definitely Maybe 12
But I really love Morning Glory
But you worked in the same studios
Yes
As Morning Glory and stuff
And anyway
So we thought
Well we'll have to do them both
And then we're like
Oh you can't really just
I mean that just
Is a bit like
Of a cop out
Like doing two different shows
And then doing that
So we thought we'd do
Like one show
With both albums
Yes
Yeah
I'm probably not talking about either
For a lot of
That's normally what we do
And
I spent a lot of time
With Oasis this weekend
Doing Oasis things
Always
Have you been doing
Because you were
You were in the field
At Silverstone
Did you play Oasis a lot?
I was in Oasis
Were you in Oasis?
Yeah
So they had an Oasis tribute band
Yeah
That played
Yeah
And their guitarist car died
So couldn't get
So they were panicking
Yeah
And they said that
Look if there's one guy
On this site
Yeah
Who can solve this problem
It's you
It's me
Yeah
So they came to see me
And said look
Can you
Like this is our set
Can you be
Can you
Can you be
Like bonehead for that
Can you play rhythm guitar?
So you spent 30 seconds
Skimming YouTube
And they went
Yeah
Whatever
Yeah
So I looked at the set list
And went
I kind of know
Three quarters of that actually
Because it's not
As we talked about
Last week
Because you don't blow it
Yeah
Or what's the other one
You can't do?
I can't blow it or bow it
Bow it
Yeah
It's not got a bow
And you didn't have to
Easy
Easy peasy
Yeah so I actually played
A full hour and a half
Oasis set
To about 6,000 people
Was it a good laugh?
It was brilliant fun
Yeah yeah
It was great
Yeah that whole thing
Of like the way
They put on the music
For the Grand Prix
And I just think
It's awesome
Absolutely awesome
Yeah it's great
But the thing about it is
Is like some of those songs
I've actually never played
Yeah
Right
But because they're so
In your subconscious
Yeah
And you sort of
Write the key down
Yeah
And you go
I kind of know the song
So it just
It just kind of falls out
It just kind of
And the songs
This is the thing about Oasis
The songs are so good
Yeah
That you only have to hear them
Once or twice
And they are absolutely
Earworms
Every single one of them are
They remind me hugely
Of ACDC
In that
That they
It makes you want to
Pick up a guitar
Because it sounds so simple
Yeah
Do you know what I mean
They're so deceptively like
Oh it's a
It's a simple song
Yeah
And
But until you try and do it
And you're like
Oh actually
Maybe a little bit more complicated
Yeah
But there's just something like
Just write
Yeah
About them
You know
And that sounds
I don't know
It's probably a really
I don't know
I'm finding it hard
To come up with the words
To describe what I mean here
But
There's like
You know like
Some sounds
Or some flavours
That just work together
And
The Oasis songs
Are just like that to me
They just work
Yeah
But from beginning to end
They feel effortless
Yeah
You know
We've got this theory
That people are born
Knowing John Bon Jovi
I mean
Gen X
Millennials
I suppose
They're born knowing
Yeah
Those songs
Yeah
I think that's kind of
This is the millennial
Yeah
This is kind of more millennial
But
You know Wonderwall
Everybody knows
It's like you put
Basketcase on
In a pub
Everyone knows
The words
And they'll sing
You put Wonderwall on
Everyone knows the words
And once they've had
A bit to drink
Yeah
They'll all sing along with you
You know
It's just got this
But the weirdest thing
To me is that
There was like a bit
Because obviously
I've sort of done
That little pub circuit
And playing music
For people in pubs
And you know
Like doing weddings
And doing those sorts of things
And there was a period of time
For quite a long time
Yeah
Where playing an Oasis song
Wasn't a cool thing to do
Oh
And it was almost like
Oh god not Oasis
You know
Really
And there was a bit of me
That went
I don't know why
You're being like that
Because the songs are brilliant
You know
And but obviously
With this
You know
They're doing their tour now
And they've kind of
Reformed for this
Kind of run of dates
Which is
Which is incredible
And apparently
They're really on form as well
They're really good
I saw a few
I saw a few clips actually
They were brilliant
They came
The set list is epic
As well
You just look at the set list
And you just think
There are so few bands
That could
You know
Could
Do
What they're
What they're doing
And
I saw this
Wonderful review
I was in the Guardian
Or
Telling or whatever
Right
And it basically said
It's like
Like Liam playing
In a smaller band
Yeah
Isn't Liam
Right
Yeah
When Liam's fronting Oasis
Yeah
The world is right
That's where Liam
Is supposed to be
And he just
He obviously had the BDI
Didn't he
Yeah
He's done BDI
And he's done
High Flying Birds
And Noel did
Yeah
But it's
It's like
It's just different
It's like going home
Yeah
And they were just saying
That having him
Fronting Oasis
In front of like
Hundreds of thousands
You know
Having these
Ridiculously large gigs
He becomes who he's meant to be
And like
It's just like
You're like
Bending the universe
Around him
Kind of thing
And you know
Not to say that he's not
An absolute dickhead
Because he's
You know
He quite often is
But that's
Do you know what I mean
That's what he was built to do
That's what he was meant to do
And it
It is
I mean
I don't know whether
This is a big PR thing
But they've nailed it
With a sort of like
Stars aligning
Kind of narrative
And everything coming together
And them
You know
Them loving each other
And with their arms
Around each other again
And after such a
Like a feud
For a few years
And Noel kicking off in Paris
And leaving the band
And all that sort of thing
It's probably worth
Going back to the beginning
A little bit
Isn't it
Because I loved music
So much
And was really into it
And was determined
To learn how to play the guitar
I always thought
That's how I'd end up
Or that's the only thing
I was interested in
But when I met
Graham Lambert
From the Inspirals
And I got that job
As on the roadie
I thought
Oh that's it
This is it
You know
And that would have done me
And then it was only
Through Liam
Getting together with Bonad
That they asked me
That I kind of
That I kind of joined
And then when I joined
Obviously
Just ambition took over
And in fact
It was only when
I think it was like
Second rehearsal
With Oasis
Our kids said
Yeah you've got some tunes
So
I was just like
Right if I play this
You play that
And you play that
And once everybody joined in
The fucking bomb went off
And I was like
Fucking hell
This is amazing
But the roses had disappeared
The Mondays had fallen apart
There was nothing
That was inspiring everyone
This fucking band
From Manchester
With a fucking singer
Who's 19
Right
Larry
The fucking
He's writing the songs
He's ripping off everybody
Who's fucking dead
But the other three lads
Look like plumbers
You know
But it's
You know
You wouldn't
You couldn't invent it
You know
So
Yeah
Who knew
I watched the documentary
Supersonic
I've never seen it
Which is bad
So good
Because we're obviously
Doing this podcast
I probably should have done
Yeah
It's homework
Isn't it
Now I'm not seeing that one
Because cable
Cable are on it
Aren't they
Kind of
They're in one of the outtakes
Yeah
But they
Anyway
The documentary
Supersonic
Is really good
If you've not seen it
And you're like
Oh you're a bit interested
In music
And how it's recorded
And like
You know
I guess
Bands in general
It's very worth it
Even perhaps
If you're not a massive
Oasis fan
It's one of those things
That is
I think it's recorded
It's full of
Like
You know
Just kind of
Ad hoc recordings
That the band took
On their journey
From way
Way
Back
In like
Basements
And garages
And stuff
Even to
Like the
The night
That they get signed
When they're playing
In Glasgow
And they're in the van
On the way back
And like
And there's just like
A video happening
Of that
But
I wanted to
Kind of go back
A little bit
Because
The speed
Of this
Yeah
Is
I mean
We're ultimately
Running to
If we take these two albums
So we say
Definitely maybe
And watch the story
That
That really culminates
In Nebworth
Right
Where it's just
This ridiculous
Thing
Which
Like sold more tickets
Than
Anything ever
In the history of ever
They added more nights
It turns out
That they reckon
Something like
Four percent
Of the British population
Applied for tickets
Which is
Extraordinary
Yeah
But
That happened
In like
The space
Of two years
From the first record
To then
Being at Nebworth
And they're like
You know
Five guys
Five lads
From a council estate
In Manchester
Yeah
And then like
Before that
There was two years
Of them just
Rehearsing over
And over
And over again
You know
That
The
Unlikeliness
Of this story
Is extraordinary
You know
Noel
Blags himself
A job
With the
Inspiral carpets
As their roadie
Yeah
No idea what he's doing
You know
Confesses to not
Know what he's doing
Blagging all the time
Difficult
Awkward
You know
Just being a pain
In the arse
While he's there
Having a
Really great time
And eventually
The
Inspiral carpets
Fire him
Because it's like
He's just such a
Such a dickhead
And being so difficult
In
In parallel to that
Liam is at home
Yeah
Has shown no interest
In music at all
Ends up having a fight
Somebody hits him
Over the head
With a hammer
Yeah
Ends up in hospital
Blood everywhere
When he comes round
And kind of
You know
Recovers
Has got this
Massive passion
For music
And just will do
Nothing but
But music
And he
Tells the story
Of his life
At that point
Being
You know
Just
Essentially
Picking up his
Dole money
Buying music
Buying weed
Going home
And just being
Like
Rinse and repeat
That's it
Noel then comes back
So by mind
At this point
Noel still thinks
His brothers
Doesn't like music
Not interested in music
At all
Noel's been writing music
Since he was
Since he was a kid
Kind of thing
Yeah
When Noel
Comes back to
Manchester
Liam's now
In a band
Yeah
Right
And then
Noel goes to see them
Like Noel gets back
And their mum says
Oh yeah
No he's in a band
Yeah
Noel goes to see them
And he's like
Oh alright
And then he meets the band
Do you know what I mean
And then
And then the band
Like how do you want to
You know you've got some
And then
Liam knew that
Noel had been writing songs
So go
Yeah place me your songs
To the band
And then they start to
And then that's it
That's where it starts
Yeah
And you just think
How you know
Just the
It's a great story
The whole
The thing is with the band
For me
A lot of the stories
Like I've heard
Noel tell the same story
Differently twice
Yeah
In interviews
So you think
Just because it came from
Noel's mouth
Doesn't necessarily mean
It's true
Yeah
I was in a
A bar
In Liverpool
Called
Definitely Maybe
No it wasn't
It wasn't
It wasn't called
Definitely Maybe
It was
It was some
Fucking bar
In Liverpool
I think we'd done
A photo shoot
For some
Scouse fanzine
And we were having
We were having a beer
With the Ely's
And
There was loads of flyers
On the wall
And one of them
The words
I don't know
What it was advertising
Whether it was
A night at a
Fucking disco
Or something stupid
Or a poetry reading class
Or
Fucking
I don't know
And on the thing
Was Definitely Maybe
And
Because the
The one thing
We didn't want to call it
Was Oasis
And Definitely Maybe
Was
I thought that was
Fucking mind blowing
Definitely
Still confused
Maybe
I don't understand it
I still don't
I'm not supposed to
I don't
So the band
Start there
Which is like
So improbable
It's not funny
Yeah
They then
Actually turn out
To be not shit
They're alright
They pull this band
And they're pretty tight
And then
They just
I mean
For all of the bravado
And all of the
You know
The stuff that you hear
From them in the press
About you know
Kind of being party animals
And
They practice
And they practice
Over
And all they do
Is write songs
And practice
Their rehearsal room
Is opposite the hacienda
Yeah
And Liam talks about
Them hardly ever
Going there
They were literally
Just practicing
Over and over again
Then they ended up
On the road
Playing
No one cared
No one listened
People
There's talk of like
10 or 15 people
Coming to gigs
No one came to see them
They went all over the place
And then eventually
Ended up playing
They went up to
King Tut's
Wawa Hut
In Glasgow
Which is where
They got signed
Oh that's
That's the one
Is it
No idea
It was a friend
Of a friend
There was a band
That they knew
Who were scheduled
To play
Oasis were not
Scheduled to play
Yeah
And the guy said
No you're not playing
And then they said
Well we'll do a shorter set
If you'll let these lads
Play as well
Yeah
So then eventually
They ended up doing
Like a 20 minute set
Yeah
Alan McGee
I think it's
Alan McGee's girlfriend
Was in
The band
That shortened their set
For them
And so
They ended up
Getting signed
Alan McGee
Was gushing over them
Yeah
And then literally
Walked up to the band
After the set
And said
Do you want a record deal
And then they're like
Yeah alright then
And then there's this
Lovely
And in the
In the documentary
There's the
The footage of them
On the way back down
To Manchester
And they're just like
Yeah
That's it then
Yeah
So we've got a deal
Then innit
And it's just like
The probability
The likely
I mean it had to
Have happened
In that way
Yeah
But
I don't know
It's just mad
Absolutely mad
I think
You know
Everything about
This band
Is just
Like so unlikely
Yeah
To happen
Yeah
And like this album
Even
Even this album
It was recorded
At Mono Valley
I was going to say
They had a few goes at it
Didn't they
The thing about
Oasis is
The songs were all about
They were all inclusive
They weren't elitist
In any way
A lot of that
For me came from
Acid House
Right
Which was
It's the communal feeling
Of everybody together
And that
Anthemic
Thing
That I got from that
Which I fucking loved
You know
But even now
When I hear the Mono Valley stuff
It wasn't it
Obviously
Because I'm the songwriter
And I'm thinking
It sounds great
And all the band
Are thinking
It sounds great
And then
Thankfully
There's people
Who stood out front
And watched us
And were saying
That's not
That's not it
Never
I'd never heard
That Mono Valley record
Until
Six months ago
So it wasn't like
We
We referenced it
And said
Right
This is what
We don't want to do
You know
It was canned
And the tapes
Went off to creation
And that was it
We'd never seen them again
But we've uncovered it now
And listening back to it
And looking at some of the pictures
We didn't have
The equipment
We didn't have the marshals
At Mono Valley
I had a Vox AC30
And a H&H amp
I don't know why
And then
By the time I got sawmills
I had a Marshall
And a fucking Wem Dominator
That's the sound
You know
It's all there
It's just
It's missing that thing
And that thing was
Playing live together
As you've been in studios
Yourself
There's like
There's a big room
And there's booths
Off the side
And the drums
Are in the middle of the room
And then
Your amp's in there
And your amp's in there
Of course
That's how we thought
Records were made
Somebody's sending you
To a studio
With an adult
You know
And they're telling you
What to do
And all you've got to do
Is play the songs
But when you hear
The Mono Valley stuff
It's not
It's not got a swagger to it
And it's
Then when you go on
To the sawmills
You can see we've done
Another 20 gigs
In between
And we've arrived somewhere
It was too early
To make that record
But I think McGee
Wanted to get it in
And get it out
Because his famous quote
Was
I reckon if we can
Get this album up
Before the Stone Roses
Come back
We'll sell 50,000
And I'd never heard
The original versions
Of this
And as much as I
Deride the
Anniversary
The 30th anniversary
Of
Definitely maybe
And I've got this
I've got the 30th anniversary
On vinyl
And it's lovely
I'm so surprised
I know you are
It sounds lovely
But
On the digital release
Yeah
On what would be
CD2
Is the original
Mono Valley
Version
So it was recorded
At Mono Valley
By
And I'm going to
Put my glasses on
I did know this
And I'm going to
Put my glasses on
Was it David Batchelor
Let's assume it was
A guy called David Batchelor
Because that's the name
That's in my brain
He recorded it
Doesn't sound
Anything like Oasis
To me
And
They recorded it
All there
It sounds like
The Beach Boys
Almost
It's got this kind of
Peppy
Upbeat
Happy sound
To it
Rather than
This kind of
Swagger
It's not
Slapping you around
The face
It's kind of
Going
Hiya
It's just got this
Completely different
Sound to it
Is it my imagination
And Alan McGee
Was just like
That's not it
That's not
The sound
That's not
That's not right
So they went to
Record it again
Right
So they
Head down to
Is it Sawmills
Yeah
Sawmill Sessions
So they go down
To Sawmills
And re-record it
Again
And they do that
With Mark Coyle
Yeah
Who's their live
Sound engineer
Yeah
Now Mark Coyle
Has never produced
Anything in a studio
Never recorded
Anything in a studio
Yeah
Ever
Yeah
Doesn't know anything
About anything
Literally is a
Sounder
He produces sound
In a live gig
I mean you've done
Tons of these things
They're different animals
Yeah
And so what he did
What they did
Was they went down
To Sawmills
And they recorded
Three takes of each track
They just mic'd everything up
Yeah
Three runs through
Next track
Three runs through
Next track
Three runs through
So we're in the room together
Liam is in a
There's one booth
In Sawmills
It's a vocal booth
So the rest of the band
Are all
And the equipment
Is all in the same room
We knew all
The songs backwards
As I remember
We did three takes
And then we sat
And had a cup of tea
Sat and listened to them
And said that's the one
We're going to pick
To overdub
So the outtakes
From Sawmills
On the new record
They haven't got any overdubs
Because we picked that version
And that was it
And there's a great version
Of Cigarettes and Alcohol
Which is just slightly
A little bit slower
And it's more sludgy
And it's fascinating for fans
I think Coyley came up
With the idea
He said you should all
Be playing
I think one of the original ideas
Was to play on stage
And record it somewhere
Do you know what I mean
But I think it was Mark's idea
And he was our
Sound guy
And he was going to oversee it all
And that was it
The playing of the songs
Was easy
Yeah in those outtakes
There's a few bum notes
And that's why
The outtakes would have got ditched
And then
There's a couple of songs
They don't end in the right place
And then there's a false start
But we had it pretty nailed
You know
The parts never really
Were worked on in the studio
We had them already
And then maybe I would
Fuck around
And do whatever
Whatever I would do
To fill up the tracks
And then Owen
When he mixed it
Bend it all
Yeah
Yeah well then we took it
To back to London
To mix
We were mixing it in
Olympic
We were there
And then we went over
To see McGee
We had
I think it was like
Columbia
And something else
We had a cassette of it
And I thought
They sounded great
Right
And the minute it came
We put it on in his flat
And the minute it came on
It sounded fucking shit
And he said
This is not it
And at that point
I started to get
Really fucking frustrated
I was like
Well what does everybody
Fucking want
And then
Because Marcus
Was managing Johnny Mark
At the time
Marcus had played it
To Johnny
Who played it
To Owen
And Owen said
I'll have a go
And I think
He mixed one tune
We were on tour
A cassette arrived
And we stuck it on
In the van
I'm sure it was
Cigarettes and alcohol
And it was fucking amazing
It's just
It was such a relief
It was like
Like fucking
Thank God for that
And he didn't
He didn't want to
Re-record anything
I think the only thing
We did is
We had to change
The second verse
Of Shaker Maker
Anyway they did all of that
They picked the best ones
Sent those tapes
To
To McGee
And McGee was just like
This is shocking
Yeah yeah yeah
Then you'd got
You know
So then you got Noel
Kind of really frustrated
Going
I don't know
What you want from us
You know
We've recorded this thing twice
You know
We're not writing music
These are the same
So we know the songs
These are the songs
But they're not right
They don't feel right
Yeah you tell us
They don't feel right
That's the difference
Isn't it
You can play the songs
Perfectly
But if they don't feel right
They don't feel right
And we've talked about this
A load of time
It's the magic
That happens at certain points
But anyway
They'd got these things
Re-recorded again
And then
They
They were asking
Loads of different people
What to do
And no one could really
Figure out what to do
And eventually
And eventually Owen Morris
Was around
Who we've talked about before
Now Owen Morris
Was like
Yeah I'll have a go at it
Yeah yeah
And Owen Morris
Literally just cranked it
Yeah
So he took it
And was using
Whatever technologies
Were available at the time
Because it was on tape
Wasn't it
Yeah yeah yeah
So it was on analogue
But he managed to just
Absolutely amp this thing
To the
And you can hear
On this
It sounds like
It does sound amped
It sounds like
It's like
Pushed to the limit
This record does
And it suddenly
Comes out sounding
Massive
Yes
Big swagger
And that
And that kind of
Is where
You know
Where the record
Comes from
Is it my imagination
Or have I finally found
Something I was looking for
I was looking for
So much
But all I found
Was seeing
It's an alcohol
You could wait for a lifetime
To spend your days
In the sunshine
You might as well
Do the white
Because when it comes
I'm sore
You've got to make it
Happen
You've got to make it
Happen
You've got to make it
Happen
You've got to make it
Happen
I love you.
Is it worth the aggravation to find yourself a drug when there's nothing worth working for?
It's a crazy situation, but all I need is cigarettes and alcohol.
You can wait for a lifetime to spend your days in the sunshine.
And then getting signed by Alan McGee and this kind of random thing.
And then the album.
But if they'd have released the Mono Valley, I don't think Oasis would have been a thing.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You don't get two bites of the cherry.
Do you know what I mean?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's just so implausible and so improbable that this would have ended up like...
And that's just to get the first album out of the door.
And no one cared.
No.
I mean, even when this came out.
And yeah, that was...
Oh, and then...
Oh, God.
So while I'm thinking about this as well, the improbabilities of this.
The first track...
So the first single the record company picked, I think was supposed to be Bring It On Down.
Yeah, yeah.
So the first track on Definitely Maybe should have been Bring It On Down.
And they were having real issues getting it recorded.
They were having a real issue getting it recorded.
There's something about the drummer not quite getting it or something like that.
I wasn't getting the take.
Yeah, Tony McCarroll really struggled with this.
Yeah.
And Noel hated him.
Noel hated Tony McCarroll.
Wow.
It was horrible to him.
In fact, most of the band were horrible to Tony McCarroll.
He wasn't a very good drummer, being frank.
But, you know, they weren't very nice to him.
And, anyway, really, really struggled.
Could not get the take done.
And so they went for a takeaway.
They were kind of a little bit, like, frustrated.
Like, come on.
And so they sent out for a takeaway.
All the lads went into the next room and started to have a takeaway.
And Noel wrote Supersonic.
And then that became...
That became the thing.
The single.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And then that began when Supersonic was enormous.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And you're looking on that record.
Rock and Roll Star, Shaker Maker, Live Forever and Supersonic
and Cigarettes and Alcohol were the singles.
Yes, what else do you want?
It's nuts.
What else do you want from a record than that?
It is.
The Mono Valley version of Cigarettes and Alcohol.
It sounds nothing...
I mean, I love Cigarettes and Alcohol.
It's a phenomenal record.
Phenomenal song.
I think if they'd have released the Mono Valley version...
It just wouldn't have happened.
It's not there.
It's not it.
It's not the one.
The magic's not there.
Do you know?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
And that's just the story up to.
Them like the first single from Definitely Made where no one's heard of them.
Well, I went back to Mono Valley.
I went back down there and I went into the room where I wrote it.
And it's such an uninspiring fucking room.
It's like it's nothing.
I don't know if I was expecting to open the door and...
But yeah, he sent down this Les Paul because he didn't have one at the time and...
Yeah, just opened it and Slide Away came out.
Yeah, it's just...
And then we demoed it in Mono Valley and...
Yeah, and that's the version that's on Definitely Made.
We think that's...
We only did eight songs in Mono Valley.
Maybe only seven because we already had Supersonic.
We already had Slide Away.
Married With Children was done in Coyley's bedroom.
Sad Song was done in Coyley's bedroom.
So we only did eight tunes there.
Because when I got the tapes on, I was like,
"Well, where's fucking such and such?"
But we did do another version of Slide Away,
but it's not as good as the first time you played it.
There's something in the air that night that's happening.
And, you know, you're not overthinking the song.
It's like, right, it goes like this.
You played that, I played that.
Right, let's go.
So everyone's kind of not thinking about,
"Oh, maybe I'll put a little thing there or maybe I'll do a bit of that."
Maybe I'll just put a key in there.
So it's coming from a place of truth.
Slide Away
And give it all you've got
My today
And you're failing from the top
I dream of you
And all the things you said
I wonder where you are now
Hold me down
For all the world is asleep
Need you now
You knocked me off my feet
I dream of you
And we told you growing up
But you said these bounds
You're sliding, baby
Together we'll fly
I tried praying
But I don't know what you're saying to me
Now that you're mine
We'll find a way
I'm chasing the sun
Let me be the one
Who shines with you
In the morning
We don't know what to do
To overcome
We'll find a way
And do what we've done
Let me be the one
The one
That shines with you
And we can slide away
Slide away
Away
Slide away, give it all you got
My today, falling from the top
I dream of you, and all the things you say
I wonder where you are now
Slide in, baby, together we'll fly
I've tried, baby, and I know just what you're saying to me
Now that you're mine, we'll find a way
I'm chasing the sun
Let me be the one who shines with you
In the morning, we don't know what to do
We're too often times
We'll find a way
Do what we've done
Oh, let me be the one who shines with you
And we can slide away
Slide away
I'm going to be the one who shines with you
Slide away
I'm going to be the one who shines with you
A friend of mine was saying he's got one of the original pressings of Definitely Maybe
and it's interesting he's from Glasgow
Right
and there was a big deal when the band came out
there was this big deal about they were signed in Glasgow
and he said that there was
it felt like there were two groups, underground groups
that knew about Oasis
there was the Manchester crew and the Glasgow crew
yeah yeah yeah
and then before the rest of the world had really picked up
yeah
but then it was like exponential
it went fast you know it seemed to just absolutely take off
right band, right time
yeah
Liam being Liam
yeah yeah
but I
there cannot be any other band stories
that you know have got the similar
that have got that
I don't know
yeah
do you know what I mean
it's a great story
I think that's the difference is
it's
we've had so many of these
bands that we've done and these albums that we've done
where it's very
processy
yeah
you know the bands meet they're either at school together or
they're young people
and then they do the thing
and then
and then they you know they're right they rehearse they go out
but it's just you're right it's the improbable
it's this this thing kind of happening by accident almost or
yeah
just sort of them following their noses and you know
and the thing is that it's not a London thing
no
so you would have had the stone roses obviously from from Manchester and Happy Mondays
and there was obviously that scene
yeah
but that kind of gone that that that that I think that
that kind of been and gone
grunge was kind of dying now as well
this was kind of midnight mid to late 90s
I think everyone wanted rock stars because everything else that was coming out
yeah was polished London pop
it was
and it wasn't working class
and it didn't fit even if it was it didn't feel it
this was a rock and roll band
it felt very packaged
and very you know like everything had a look to it
there was a very
yeah I mean you're right this this was a rock and roll band
doing rock and roll band things that one of the first tours they toured with the
was it the Verve
the Verve yeah
and then they went off to Amsterdam
the first proper big tour
so so Alan McGee's you know patched them off with the Verve to tour
and they go on a ferry to Amsterdam
yeah
and they're big football fans and it's like some kind of West Ham
yeah
so they literally start you know they're drinking champagne
and I can't wait what the story goes like champagne and like Jack Daniels or something
and they sort of fairly quickly get a bit I mean imagine Liam
yeah fairly quickly get a bit gobby
yeah yeah
and start fighting with the West Ham fans
and then they get arrested
yeah
so when they when the ferry lands in Amsterdam they literally get picked up arrested and sent back to the UK
oh my gosh
so you've got you've got the Verve waiting to play you've got all of the gear has now been impounded
noel made it through because he looked noel locked himself in his his cabin the rest of the band are now arrested
like no mobile phones
yeah yeah yeah no one could find what's going on
and apparently the story goes right noel noel is ringing Alan McGee going you you know you've got some really bad news this is awful and Alan McGee is just like oh that's amazing
and you know it's amazing and you do you know it's mad but then again as the story as a story like this improbable story goes right they don't make people like Alan McGee anymore no no Alan McGee only made it to I think did he do I think he like retired almost after um what's the story yeah yeah yeah yeah he was like I can't do this anymore that it was it might be enough yeah no I think I think he yeah I think he was still the manager of the
through uh to watch the story but basically it uh there's a lovely interview with him where he just I just took too many drugs and I was just a lot off my face and I just had to get out of the whole thing and I disconnected from from everything yeah yeah um and noel was saying that um you know he he represented like the last of a generation yes yeah do you know what I mean of of of of kind of managers they said they're not like that anymore you know managers come to you with a what's your business plan yeah yeah do you know what I mean what's your five
year plan yeah what what you know what's your demographic that you're aiming for what you know and and you're expected to have this you know not Liam launching TVs out of windows and fighting with West Ham fans you know that yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah you know and and he said like that that um it's a brilliant interview it's a brilliant interview with Noel fairly recently where it's like you know the record industry don't want the reason rock and roll bands are not like that anymore is because no one wants
that you know that you know and back then at that point in time it was just yeah acceptable that was that was what people wanted yeah um you know and that's what we gave them yeah yeah but not forever that it waned it didn't you know people didn't want that for for forever but I think just that that that combination of you know these these lads from a council estate in Manchester playing the right songs at the right time the right
site manager who was going to support them yeah I mean imagine if it would have been a different manager yeah yeah yeah yeah I don't I don't you know I mean I there is there is a definite thing I think I didn't communicate it very clearly a little bit earlier but there's a definite thing about the stars aligning yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah this is this is so I keep saying improbable but yeah yeah yeah yeah the likelihood of all of this stuff it's a generational thing yeah you know where you get one yeah yeah and it's like um and again and Noel is on on interview saying
saying this stuff a few times they weren't the best at anything they weren't the best songwriters weren't the best playing weren't the best live people but when they were in Oasis and when they were together
they something happened yeah they were the best in the world and what they did was the like it was the best live show it was the best entertaining people with the songs that they got and all yeah yeah yeah um I could the thing the other thing for me is is you know sometimes when we've done these records and we're sort of struggling to find interview footage or stuff like that yeah there's no problem here
everything they do is gold uh there's nothing that you know every interview going like there's what like when we're just to explain when when we do these shows we sort of take the interviews from from different places and sort of cut them in um and like sometimes we'll just do a bit and then we'll just get on with the show yeah but this I think I think I've sat for like an hour over an hour I've just just going through you've read you've read a book you've wrote six apps in the middle I've got a numb bum waiting for you to finish it like I'm going wiggling about because it's all just
so good I love that bit there was an interview clip that you played earlier where Noel describes the look of the band saying that the rest of the band look like plumbers
yeah and they just put and I look do you know I love Liam to to pick and I can imagine Liam I can imagine if you had to work with Liam you'd want to punch him
you know 23 out of 24 hours of the day um but he's just so like it's just this lovable absolutely yeah he's cheeky isn't he he's this kind of you know what I mean he's he's just always got
this big grin on his face being a dickhead and I don't know there's just something super cool about it but
it's what it's worth that voice though oh it's so it's that voice who who again there's a lovely bit in one of
your interviews where um I think Alan McGee didn't Alan McGee you know when he does that um
yeah he didn't start doing that no like when they first did the song he didn't do it and he did it live
once and Alan McGee told him he sounded like John Lydon yeah yeah yeah Johnny Rotton yeah yeah Johnny Rotton
and then and then so he kept and then that's it but then that becomes his like affectation he does this
thing more and more yes um I don't know I did there's a point I think for me like we probably disagree a
little bit on this one but I for me like definitely maybe it's up there as one of the because I don't
think Morning Story is as good a record yeah I think it's better produced I think it's a better
I think it's I think the songs are probably the songs are more complicated probably more technically
yeah correct I think the lyrics are a little bit better yeah but as a right for a rock and roll
sort of rock and roll album yeah like an album that's got the swagger and stuff like definitely
maybe is up there with like anything the metal world yeah has ever put out anything that kind of
the hard rock world has put out as debuts you know it's kind of up there for me with
you know the debuts from like Skid Row and Bon Jovi and do you know what I mean it's it's it's got a
proper almost like a punk swagger to it it's just and then by what's the story yeah I think Liam like
they were managing Liam yeah yeah out do you know I mean he was like he was like no you could come in
and sing yeah um but with the grown-ups of the grown-ups are working now yeah and they would send
him off to do whatever yeah and that out there so what's the story becomes this kind of grown-up record
where it's it's produced a little bit better it's got it's done at Rockfield so they know what they're
doing you know what I mean so they it sounds big and like massive from the outset yes yeah um but it's
lost a little bit of the you know you know this record like definitely maybe starts with that kind
of well do you know what I mean it's like it's electric as it kicks off um watch the stories a bit
more um do you know what I mean it's it's it's a little I say laid back's the wrong word for it but
it's um it's definitely more um yeah it's more grown up it's a it's a it's a a more refined record
yeah um but I I don't know I just there's a there's a certain magic in the first one and I think partly
because it's so improbable that it was it ever got made yeah yeah yeah um but yeah but but also I think
I guess the next bit in the story is the decline because I think the band by the end of definitely
maybe their band was still great they're having a great time they were enjoying themselves um it was
it was chaos yeah and they loved it yeah yeah and then they did what's the story and the songs for
what's the story were already written yeah so Noel had already written them so they go into the studio
to do that which is great um they managed Liam you know by like a like throwing a dog throwing a ball
for a dog right they kind of just they were constantly sending him out to the pub or football games or just
like game out of the way whatever so we can do this record but it's these sessions that the cracks start
I think okay yeah yeah and I mean you know there's there's that a wonderful story about I think there's
two wonderful stories from Rockfield and and they're they're so um like conflicting one is yeah
you know the uh they they're Noel is trying to write stuff and they're trying to record stuff
they send Liam to the pub because I because I don't play any instruments you know I mean a lot of the
of all the rest of the band playing instruments I'd sort of do my singing and I'd be sort of bored you
know what I mean so then I'd be sort of just going twiddling my thumbs and I'd think
I'm fucking go out a boozer so I'd be in the pub most of the time with whoever so then I'd bring
a few people back and I think that's when I think that's when it all went a bit tits up with me and
all because I think he I think I don't know where he'd gone somewhere but like loads of people come
back and started looking at his guitars and shit and you're not allowed to look at his guitars
I know I want a bit yeah I had a little argument and then that was it I think we had a little bit of a
oh let me smash the drop of a fight yeah I think proper brawl cricket bats and air rifles dustbins
no one used to kick it back to hit me or just wave it at my head I don't remember much but we had
with air rifles and we locked them up they got locked up because they might have got used it was all there
was just a lot of just running around and fucking throwing shit at the people and I just remember him
getting in the car driving off and I'm stood there like a fucking a wild bastard just going
car you fucking shitbag didn't you throw a dustbin at the car or something yeah yeah I think it was
flying up the drive yeah yeah should have yeah it's just little thing but them little things are just
little you know what I mean it's the crack in it it was carnage you know some things got broken some
I mean here I didn't really know what to make of all that because it was the first time I'd kind of
seen something like that but I wasn't used to it but everybody here seemed to uh take it in their
stride as you know I think they'd seen it they'd seen it all before so nothing was going to shock
them so yeah they just cleaned it up the next day and it was like nothing had happened yeah I think
Noel went home he's always been a bit like that you know what I mean what you're doing bringing people
back when we're working and I get it you know what I mean but my argument would be what you're doing
fucking taking 900 fucking takes to fucking do one guitar riff when you should be in the fucking
pub with me you know what I mean entertaining me it's not as good we weren't as fucking we weren't
like bros or anything and we weren't fucking like like fucking Jedward you know what I mean
Jedward you know what I mean we weren't like we'd just go all right and he'd go all right and then
yeah we had that was the story of the band's life man really so it'd sort of be good one minute
and then it'd be chaotic the next until the poor lad had enough one night in Paris
and then he took his bottle home and then the other story is the recording of Wonderwall yeah where
Noel is outside in the courtyard yeah sitting on the wall with the birds yeah your mate Nick is there
micing it all only like I remember doing Wonderwall I had to set him up on the wall outside the
coach I studio so I just set the mics up up there and he's doing the guy guitars for Wonderwall we're
done on top of the wall so I've been in the town oh yeah probably had a couple of lagers but bought a
remote-controlled car right properly no big fat wheels on it next thing I'm looking at a lounge and
see Noel's up on a wall loads of microphones on him outside with an acoustic guitar and it's like
what the fuck what's he doing student and he's trying to catch the atmosphere you know the birds
singing and all that stuff so I was like I'm getting him so I got this car and I'm like I'm laughing this
so I was like I got it in first gear down so his car's like you can see no dead like in his headphones
today is gonna be the day that they're gonna throw it back to you by now you should have somehow
realized what you gotta do I don't believe that anybody feels the way I do about you now
backbeat the word is on the street that the fire in your heart is out I'm sure you've heard it all
before but you never really had a doubt I don't believe that anybody feels the way I do about you now
and all the roads we have to walk a winding and all the lights that lead us there are blinding
there are many things that I would like to say to you but I don't know how
because maybe
you're gonna be the one that saves me
and after all
you're my wonder wall
today was gonna be the day but they'll never throw it back to you
by now you should have somehow realized what you're not to do
I don't believe that anybody feels the way I do about you now
and all the roads that lead you there were winding
and all the lights that light the way are blinding
there are many things that I would like to say to you but I don't know how
I said maybe
you're gonna be the one that saves me
and after all
you're my wonder wall
you're gonna be the one that saves me
which is huge no one's done anything like that before
you know the size and scale of that
nobody's done anything like that before really
and then the bit that's interesting is that
there's a brilliant interview from Noel
saying that looking back
everybody was frazzled at that point
we'd spent you know it doesn't sound like a long time
but we spent two years either recording or on the road
yeah just on it
yeah on it over and over and over again
and there's this pressure to be wild
there's this pressure to be the biggest band in the world
all the time
you've constantly got to think of something outrageous to say in interviews
everybody wants a piece of you 24/7
it culminated with Nebworth
and it was this massive thing
what we should have done is said we're
you know we need a break
we're out for six months
we'll come back in a little while
but we didn't we just try to you know
oh we'll carry on doing what we do
and we'll just kind of thing
and he said that it's like a
you know the wheels are in motion
and that like the band's destruction have started by that
by that point
yeah yeah yeah yeah
but it's I don't know
but you have to remember from
I guess from the launch of
definitely maybe to Nebworth
yeah
it was like two years
yeah yeah yeah yeah
and it's
do you know what I mean
they've gone from being
like living in a flat
sharing a flat
yeah
you know in like crappy areas of Manchester
to Nebworth
yeah
and in two years
yeah
the ride
I mean I can't think of another band
that originally
I mean you
they get compared to the Beatles
and stuff like that
the Beatles rise wasn't like that
no
it wasn't this meteoric
you know from no
I mean the band didn't come from nowhere
they had this kind of two year bit before that
but from our perspective
that's what it looked like
yeah
here's definitely maybe
yes
you know what I mean
and then you blink and then they're at Nebworth
yeah
I can't think of another band
that
no no it was it was something else wasn't it
the other thing I think that
that always hits me when I
I know
I hit me again
watching supersonic today
was
how
like the
in
this was what 90
uh
94
so
do you know what there wasn't
there was no
internet
the internet was really 96
it was a little bit pre
yeah
we had the internet
we didn't have the world wide web being
being a pedant
yeah
but um
so I had the internet
but not many
you know what I mean
it wasn't like a pervasive thing
we uh
but
there were no things like pop idol
oh I see okay
so reality shows
talent shows
yeah yeah yeah yeah
it didn't exist
by this point
yeah
um
rock and roll bands were rock and roll bands
you know what I mean
that you didn't have
like
you had super groups
but you didn't have man like a man
you had them yeah you take that and
you're west lines you had that
you had the sort of boy bands that
that were packaged
yeah for a particular market
but you didn't have
it wasn't kind of
packaged in the same
in the in the same sense
in the same sense
you know you you
you just didn't
didn't have that
it was kind of like
like Oasis were like
lightning in a bottle
weren't it yeah yeah yeah
Alan McGee managed to
kind of grab it that's
that's it that's the thing
that's what people want
and then you know
being able to market that
and and
um
but they for me they were
kind of one of the last
like wild rock and roll bands
yes
do you know what I mean
like
because if you think about
what came after this
it was it started to get
um
I
the words were more manufactured
and I don't mean that in
like a you know
I kind of mean that people
they were creating products
yeah
productized is a better
yeah it was
it was far more
um
like designed I mean Oasis
weren't I mean it wasn't
designed it was you know what
I mean it was just it was
like so improbable that it was
going to work the way it was
that those songs those lads you
know all of the things that
went around that for me they're
kind of um it was like the peak
of an era it was just before
that digital era started yes
where people bought albums bought
music went to gigs yeah and then
the internet came along and then
you're if you think about it you're
almost immediately diluting that
you've got Napster fairly quickly
after this and you've got you
know that um diluting the value of
music itself and even going to live
gigs you know being able to stream
stuff and YouTube and you know what
I mean and I think that time that
kind of the mid like 96 yes for that
is that peak because then it starts
to dip yeah fairly because people
didn't buy albums anymore um and it
and it changed things and uh you know
I think Oasis are I'm trying to think
of what there must have been other
bands that were around the world at
the time but for like certainly here
in the UK Oasis with the last great
yeah rock and roll yeah yeah yeah
you know and I wonder if we'll ever
see it again we were bang into it
24/7 we were also which is our
downfall we were also in a fucking
the other side of it as well the
party side of it you know I mean like
all these bands that sit there and
go oh yeah we're fucking great yeah
you're great you were shit at getting
off your box on weren't you so you
lot can go you know I mean we were
good at being in the studio we're
also good at being in the pub you
know what I mean and I'm proud of
that as much as I am of the the great
vocals and the fucking takes in the
studio you know I mean we were we
were fucking into the whole thing
well everything's too yeah I don't
know this yeah you could say so much
but everything's so kind of available
and there and there was a bit there
were you know I know you said they
were kind of out there doing but
there was a bit of mystery about
them oh they created that there was
there was a myth yeah you know
Oasis created their own myth and I
think that's part of the part of the
part of the appeal for me is is is that
kind of mythology around the songs or
around the artists you know and I
mean I the point where I really
discovered Oasis because I was
probably a little bit younger
definitely maybe I know it was only a
year later but in terms of like the
kind of music I was listening to in
that sort of stuff and it was when
what's the story landed and
suddenly Wonderwall's there yeah you
know you're not necessarily even
don't look back in angle I loved it
the song it's a fantastic song but I
remember Wonderwall really
capturing me and cast no shadow
really really yeah yeah champagne
supernova being beautiful and
because I was picking up the guitar
at the time yeah like I said on a
couple of other podcasts before
around this era these are the songs
I learned you were playing yeah so I
so I was learning I was learning their
songs and actually you know there's
an argument to say that this is
another band that perhaps
influenced my writing in some way
yeah yeah that's a really good
point because of that they're in
the gene pool of the things I was
learning on guitar I didn't I didn't
really connect with either of these
records when they came out it was
much later for me this wasn't the
music I was in the mid 90s you
know yeah that just wasn't the music
I was listening to and it was
probably I don't know probably 10
years later yeah you know and and
just here and thinking oh that's
that you know quite cool that is
yeah go back and have a listen
um but but interestingly enough
actually come to think of it it was
the album just think about so this
was guitar when I started singing
and developing my voice and and
learning to sing or practicing
singing yeah that was the one after
so that was be here now oh so be
here now was the one that had the
chord book with the lyrics so I'd
learn to play those songs I I
didn't didn't fancy it at the
beginning I'd like to think I was
clever enough to say we should have
two front men but I wasn't but in
hindsight it was fucking great how it
would work would be he would sing
them all and then I'd be like hmm
maybe not getting that one maybe I'll
try that one one of the great things
about Oasis gigs would be after 40
minutes it was all kind of calm down
and I'd sing talk tonight and half the
world away and they're no lesser songs
you know they're fucking amazing songs
and they bring and they're communal
anthems everybody would take a breath
if songs were drinks right Liam's is a
shot of tequila right and mine's half a
Guinness mine's half a Guinness on a
Tuesday yeah it's alright Liam's is ten
shots of tequila on a fucking Friday night
it's the delivery or the tone of his
voice and the attitude I don't have the
same attitude as him the only time we
ever had a thing was when we do morning
glory and it was Wonderwall and don't
look back in anger and I said I'm
singing one of them you take your pick and
and he hated Wonderwall I wanted to sing
don't look back in anger but then
someone from creation came down and
said that's going to be a worldwide
hit and he went I do like it what's
it like trying to sing Liam you
certainly can't imitate him you know
that's what I was thinking yeah you
certainly can't do that but you can
that I'll tell you what it is about
about Noel's songs and because
obviously Noel was kind of the
primary principal writer he can write
a hook he can write a top line and
actually they're really like Oasis
songs and actually really nice songs
to sing okay because because they
because they're very they're written
I don't know they're written with
singing a simple top line in mind
yeah yeah so you can sing it back or
so a crowd can sing it to you yeah
and that and he's he's a kind of a
master we should talk about that
because they're anthemic aren't they
whenever you see Oasis live yeah
there's a huge part of the audience
yeah taking part in that and it is
it's that there are a few bands
that are just brilliant that I think
I think Bon Jovi a brilliant
and Nickelback are amazing at this
they've got this ability to write a
song which you you want to scream
yeah back to them and everybody you
feel like empowered to yes like it's
not like Pearl Jam no where you don't
know any of the words to any of the
songs you know the noises yeah like
yeah but you don't know the you know
what I mean whereas this stuff is like
like it's all about create creating a
communal experience yeah I think that's
why Nebworth happened because they were
they were incredible at creating
communal experiences for people that
went to see them because of the songs
and because of you know they wanted to
see Liam they wanted to hear that
voice they wanted to hear Noel sing
but then and they wanted them to you
know because they're a bit gobby aren't
they and they wanted to experience that
but ultimately you know past all of
that I think Oasis are a band that
bring people together to enjoy music I
think and I think that's it that and
that's why that meteoric rise happened
there's a lovely bit in supersonic
where Noel is kind of reflecting back on
like the first few gigs saying that you
know we obviously we knew our songs
and we knew we were the best band in
the world yeah even though only seven
people came to see it right and he said
that there was this point is that I can
still remember this point he said we as
the first singles went out so their
supersonic went out it changed so we
were going and playing and it's in
steadily the numbers increase but they
didn't know us we were essentially being
put on bigger bills yeah but they
weren't our fans mmm and then he says
like overnight kids turned up and they
were there to see us yes and it was
just after supersonic went out and he
said that there was this like feeling
that he said nothing's ever come close
to it before and it was that first time
I mean it doesn't like nebworth didn't
come close to this is that but you you
you've written supersonic we've been
playing it for months and we've been
a couple of months and then all of a
sudden you're in a you know thousand
fifteen hundred seater you know theater
it's when we got to Japan cigarettes and
alcohol really the kids hang out in
parks drinking cider in Tokyo I don't
know but again it's got to be the
melodies of something there's just
something I don't know looking back on
it now and even in America you know what I
mean it's like we we we we hit it off
pretty quickly there's it's got to be
magic that's all it can be you can't say
well it's because of we never had a
particularly big hit in America until
Wonderwall we never had a big hit in
Europe people were coming to us we
weren't we weren't ramming it down
people's throats so it has to be the
it has to be the music it just has to
be it's gone and everyone's singing your
lyrics back to you yeah and he said
the the absurdity of the fact that you
know I I wrote those lyrics haphazardly
in a room in 15 minutes at three o'clock
in the afternoon to fit this this because
we needed a song that our drummer could
play yeah and he said that you know
they're meaningless they're not they
it's not like philosophy or poetry or
you know I there's no meaning behind
this stuff I needed a song I needed a
hook I need and that's I so I just
threw that's what came out of my brain
to fill the gaps that I you know I
needed the things to say and then to
see these kids hooked on these words
and and singing them back to you he said
he said it was like you know nothing
compares to so I mean so it's all about
supersonic yeah just think of the top
line on that it's pretty much one note
it's all the way through
I mean it's like it's one it's pretty
much one note which with the occasional
jump and that and that's the verse it's
it's so of course people are going to
sing it yeah because it's easy it's
memorable it's catchy it's simple it's
yeah it is great
she's electric she's in a family full of
eccentrics she's done things I've never
never expected and I need more time she's got a sister and got only one
She's electric
She's in a family full of eccentrics
She's done things I've never expected
And I need more time
She's got a sister
And God only knows how I've missed her
And on the palm of her hand is a blister
And I need more time
And I want you to know
I've got my mind made up now
But I need more time
And I want you to say
Do you know what I'm saying?
But I need more
'Cause I'll be you and you'll be me
There's lots and lots for us to see
There's lots and lots for us to do
And I want you to know what I'm saying
I want you to know what I'm saying
And I want you to know what I'm saying
I want you to know what I'm saying
And I want you to know what I'm saying
I want you to know what I'm saying
And I want you to know what I'm saying
Got my mind made up now
But I need more time
And I want you to say
Do you know what I'm saying
But I need more
Cause I'll be you and you'll be me
There's lots and lots for us to see
There's lots and lots for us to do
She's electric
Could I be electric too?
Can I be electric too?
It was written around the time of Definitely Maybe
But it got bumped for Diggsie's Dinner
Because I think Diggsie's Dinner sounded better live
Because it's a less complicated song
But again it's got great words
I don't know how I've come up with that shit
I don't know how I've come up with that
It's kind of like
The importance of being idle in its 60s-ness
And it's got a definite kind of story
And it's very Britpop
And listening to Liam at those iNotes was like
Wow
Like I say we weren't snobs
It's like when I would play people cigarettes and alcohol for the first time
And they'd say
It sound like T-Rex
So I'm like no
No shit
Does it fuck off?
What?
No way
I'd never noticed that
You know
Aren't those two chords the same as Imagine?
No shit
You can't do that
I can
And I will
And I have
And you'll buy it
So fuck off
I want to talk about
Rockfield
Yeah
A little bit
Because you've been there
Yeah well
It was really
Because doing these interviews
And then suddenly hearing sort of Nick Brine
You know chiming in
And he obviously engineered
So Owen Morris was the producer of What's the Story
And Nick Brine was engineering it
Yeah
And he's someone who I've been on a musical journey with
If that makes any sense
Because you did Circularity there didn't you?
Circularity
And what else did you do there?
So well I met Nick Brine through Scott
Who's sort of
Oh Kicking Pyramid
Kicking Pyramid
Yeah yeah yeah
And he kind of you know
Was wanting to make an album
And at the time we were sort of doing stuff
Yeah
And we went into
With Nick
And suddenly like this
Kind of epic
Kind of crazy album came out
Called Uh Oh
Which was lovely
And
And I just remember being there that weekend
And going
I need to come back here
Like all the time
Because I just had such an amazing time
And experience there
That I wanted to replicate it
Yeah
And we
So we did a
You know a few more things
With him there
And you know
Star from Ivy did a record
And Ride in the Low did a record
And
Oh I don't know
Which record did you know
Neighbourhood
I didn't realise you did that then
Yeah Neighbourhood was done at Rockfield
So Chris Lucerenko produced it
He came from
From the US
Why is it
Is it Guided by Voices?
It was in Guided by Voices
Yeah
Well no actually
I don't know if it was even Guided by Voices
But he certainly helped with Bob Pollard
With his records
Right
So that sort of stuff
You know lovely guy
And so Nick was
Nick sort of engineered that
And Chris sort of produced
That second record
Neighbourhood
And
The reason I wanted to talk about Rockfield
Is because around that time
Where we were doing quite a few things together
Yeah
You know me and Nick
Got on really well
And we were
And he was talking about like
We've got this
Like what's the story anniversary
Coming up
I don't think I've even told you about this ever
So we've got this sort of
It's been 20 years or 25 years
Or something like that
Right
We've got this anniversary coming
For What's the Story
We want to do like an event
Like a weekend event
Yeah
And what we want to do
Is we want to invite people to come in
And they sort of stay over
Yeah
But while they're here
There's a band here
That kind of play
What's the Story Morning Glory
Yeah
In the studio
Right
Like you know
Using the gear
Yeah
And all that sort of stuff
Yeah
So we made that band
So
Oh no way
Yeah
Yeah so
So we
There was a few of us
We learnt the songs
It was me and Justin
And I think Matt Benstead
And it might have been
I think Mark
Yeah Mark Mikowski
Yeah
From Stralstar
Might have been to the drums
It's really good Mark
Yeah yeah
So we kind of like
Learned the album
Yeah
And we kind of
I suppose it's hard
You can't
It's hard to play it like Oasis
Really
Yeah
Yeah I suppose
But we did that
And it was a wonderful experience
And you know
So we sort of played the songs
You know
I don't sound like Liam
When I sing for example
Yeah
But we
But we played the songs
And they sang them
So they could hear them
In the studio
Yeah
It was a lovely experience
For the people that went
It was really
A really nice weekend
And then we sort of
Did a gig for them
And everyone had some drinks
And that kind of thing
But I played
The Wonderwall guitar
Oh
So Nick Brian owns
The Wonderwall guitar
So there's an Epiphone I think
Oh no
It might have been Takamini
Oh I can't remember now
Anyway
It might have been Takamini
That Noel gave to Leah
Oh sorry
Noel gave to Nick
Yeah
As like a gift
Or
Like a payment maybe
Or something like that
Yeah yeah yeah
I just you know
I think there was almost this thing
Of like that would be worth
A few bob in a few years
That you know
That kind of line
Yeah yeah yeah
And I think it's obviously worth
Yeah
Crazy
Tens if not hundreds
Of thousands of pounds now
And
So I
You know
If memory serves
We had that guitar
Yeah
And sort of played it
You know
And my mic's up
And played Wonderwall
Using that
How cool is that
And yeah
And it was
You know
I mean
My personal opinion
Is that I think
It's one of the greatest
Acoustic sounds
You know
Recordings ever made
It's really interesting
It's a beautiful
Right
Picky kind of thing
I think
That
There's
There's a
Like
The compression
On
So the compression
The loudness
The way they managed
To make it sound
So big
Has this
Real value
On acoustic
Tracks
Because it pulls
Everything out
I think
It almost does
Like the opposite
To the
Raucous
Rock and roll
You know
The
Like
Sort of prettifies it
A little bit
Yeah
It does
So like
You know
You've got like
Like
You've got a rock and roll
Star off
Definitely maybe
I think if you
Done that too much
It wouldn't
Because it's
As the first few bars
Of that kick in
And they've got
That kind of
Overdubbed lead
Guitars
It kind of
Kicks in
It's got a
Squill
It's got a
Cut through
And as you
Compress it
It loses
The bite
Yeah
But with
An acoustic
Track
Yeah
It like
It brings
The details up
And it makes
It sound
Better
I think
And
I think
There's no
Yeah
I don't
I just
I think
Again
It was this
Thing where
It's like
Improbable
But
You know
The way
Definitely maybe
Was recorded
It kind of
It works
It's got that
Rock and roll
Edge to it
Yeah
And the way
Definitely maybe
The way
What's the story
Was recorded
You know
Being done
At the same
Point
At that point
Where the
Loudness wars
Is just
Starting to
Kick in
Everything's
Being made
Bigger and
Louder
Liam's
Around less
Noel wants
To do more
Noel's preferring
This acoustic
Stuff because
It fits
His voice
Better
You know
Liam's
Kind of
More rock
And roll
And scowly
And
Noel's a little
Bit softer
And gentler
And
There's a lot
More acoustic
Guitar on
What's the story
And there's
Got that
Atmosphere
To it
That is
Missing
There's
None of
That
On
Definitely
Maybe
And so
The compression
It's not
Something that
I normally
Like
But it's
What makes
That record
Work
Part of
What makes
That record
Work
Where I think
It softens
The raucous
Rock and roll
Wonderwall's an
Interesting one
Because if you
Ever play it
Or sing it
Or hear it
In the band
Like you're in a
Band and you do it
You always play it
Straight and it's
Got such a groove
To it
Like the actual
Recording song
Is quite
Swung
It's quite
Funk
You know
It's got a
Really interesting
Feel to it
That is very
Very difficult
To replicate
And I think
That's
I think there's
A version of
Wonderwall that
You hear
At open mic
Right
So around the
Place and with
People singing
In pubs and
People covering
It and that
Kind of thing
To hearing it
On that record
Yeah
Okay
I mean I've
Actually I don't
Think I've ever
Heard them play
Live Wonderwall
But I can't
There was something
In that take
That they captured
Yeah
That's got a
Really interesting
Feel to it
Yeah
I
The
Mono Valley
Versions
Of the songs
When you hear
Noel talk about
Them he was like
Well we didn't
Rewrite the songs
They sound totally
Different
Yeah
The drumming
Is completely
Different on the
Mono Valley
Version to
Definitely maybe
To the ones
That got recorded
Yeah
Finally
And it's
And I keep
Talking about
This but
There's like
There is a
Special thing
When a band
Are in a place
And it gets
Recorded
Yeah
That's the thing
You know what I mean
It's the
The magic is the
Wrong word
But it's that
Point in time
Of where
Everybody's feeling
Like what you had
For dinner
Whether you stayed
Up too late
I think that's
The art of it
Yeah
I think that's
The art of music
Isn't in the
Technicality of it
It's not in the
No
You know the way
You deliver a performance
It's about
Capturing a moment
Yeah well
I think yeah
I think you're right
I think that's
Where the kind of
Production and
Engineering come into it
And it's about
Having people
I remember
I remember you
Talking about
Recording Paddy's
Vocals
And about how
Different it was
When you did it
In this space
Compared to
In the studio
Just because
You were both
Dead relaxed
Yeah
And you got
A different
Performance
Yes
You know
Yeah yeah yeah
And I think
It's not like
I think actually
We might have used
The ones in his
Garage
So it was even
More so
So you know
It was that
I remember you
Talking about that
And just this
Kind of light bulb
Went off for me
Where it's like
Yeah because I
Perform differently
I think differently
In different spaces
And you know
Depending on where
I am and what
I'm doing
You know
You are different
And it's got to
Be the same
When you're
Playing or singing
Or doing whatever
And I think
So there's a
Balance isn't there
It's a
It's where
Where that
Artist is
At that point
In time
On that day
You know
And down to
Like what the
Weather's like
Whether it's hot
Whether it's cold
You know
How their day's been
Did the taxi driver
Annoy them on the way in
Yeah yeah yeah
You know
All of that
Kind of stuff
And then having
The engineering
Ability to capture
That performance
That point in time
It's why I don't
Like these
Remastery
Rerecordy things
And I just think
It's like
You're changing
The art
You're changing
The moment
You're trying to
Re
A little bit
You're trying to
Improve something
That doesn't need
Improving
I think
There's some things
Where I think
I must sound
So hypocritical
I'm sure people
Listen to the show
Like what are you
Talking about
It changed your
Mind again
Yeah
But there are
Some things
That I think
It's really valuable
So like the early
Rolling Stone stuff
Yeah
It was done to tape
Recorded in the 60s
Sounds shockingly bad
In mono
Yeah
Being able to
Use modern
Techniques
Yeah
To suck
The detail
And everything
That we possibly can
Off those tapes
Now with better heads
Better
You know
Better magnets
And you know
Super high resolution
Recording
And then pull
That recording
To make it
The best it can be
I'm all for that
I think that's great
Yeah
What I really
Don't like
Is when they're
Pulling
You know
Going pulling
Definitely maybe
Off the tapes
Yeah
And then running it
Through Pro Tools
Yeah
And oh we'll just
Like compress that
A little bit
Oh we'll knock that
Bit back a little bit
And oh
That bit's not
Quite in key
Or they did this
With Queen
Yeah
They redid some
Of the Queen stuff
And like I was
Really torn with it
Because they pulled
It back off
They resampled it
Big fan of that
Then they tuned it
Yeah
Because Freddie Mercury's
Vocals weren't quite in key
Yeah
So they nudged them
Yeah
And like
A it's Freddie Mercury
Don't touch it
Yeah
And B you don't
There's no need for that
Yeah
Right
Yeah
There's a reason
Queen are like
Massively huge stars
A massively popular band
We love the fact
Yeah
It's interesting
Don't touch it
It's the dehumanisation
Of music
A little bit
Yeah
That's the process
You're talking about
It's where you're
Taking the human element
The imperfections
The little
Yeah
The little bits
Where it's a feely thing
Or something
I remember that
I probably
I don't know if I spoke
About this on the podcast
Before
But I remember
Watching Rick Beato
Doing One Arm Scissor
Oh yeah
At the driving song
Yeah
And he's breaking it all down
He's ripping it all apart
He's got
You know
All the different stems
As he does
Yeah
Turning stuff up
Turning stuff down
And there's a bit
Where it goes
Nothing's in tune
Yeah but when you play
But when you play it all
Together
It works
It just works
Like the guitar
Like if you play the guitars
On their own
They sound
Awful
It's not tuned
They're not in tune
The guitars just aren't in tune
They're like hitting them
Really hard
And they're over
Bending
You know
All that sort of stuff
And then suddenly
You put it
You put it in the thing
And the energy's there
And you've got that thing
And then that's
That's a one arm scissor
Yeah yeah yeah
And you know
That for me is
And it's taken me a long time
To learn this
Yeah
Because I was always about
And it's you know
Even so
I still fall into this trap now
I was always about
Getting the perfect take
Perfect yeah yeah
Perfect take
You know
It's got to be
Totally in time
It's got to be all that
And actually
The best stuff comes where
You just hit record
There's a weirdness to it
I think
Where
I said this
I reviewed a Trivium album
And it was
Incredible
Like the most incredible riffs
And the most incredible guitar playing
You know
The drumming was just
Perfect
I mean perfect
And I remember getting to the end of it
And just thinking
I felt a bit cold
Yeah
Right yeah yeah
I was just like
This is just like
This exquisite demonstration
Of perfection
Right
It's just extraordinary
But it didn't
I didn't want to
Put it back on again
Start it back on again
You know
And there's this weird thing
I think where
And I think
Especially like
Not necessarily playing to click
I don't think that's necessarily
The thing that kills it
But it's part of it
It's this drive
Like say drive for perfection
Yeah
You know the albums that
Always stand out to me
It's nearly always the debut album
Yeah yeah yeah
That I prefer
And often it's this
There's just this
The decades where albums were done
You're usually to
To analogue
But that's not the reason
The reason I like it
Is because they typically
Weren't done to click
It's difficult to do it
So they were
You know
They've got this
Like
Feel to them
Where they kind of
Feel alive
Yes
There's this something about it
Where it kind of feels
Authentic and genuine
And
Not that modern music doesn't
But it's not in the same way
It doesn't
Doesn't feel the same
To me
I wonder if
You know
I guess the younger generations
Can even tell
Do you know what I mean
Whether
Yeah yeah
Like they could
Because like
Be Here Now
Would have been done
Digitally
Right
To click
Yeah
And definitely
Maybe
Definitely
Wasn't
And I wonder if
Like to me
Those records sound
Like different bands
Yes
They sound like
You know
That's not the same band
That recorded those
Be Here Now
Is such a
An indulgent
Oh god yeah
Excursion
It's layer after layer
And there's bits of it
That I love actually
Like do you know what I mean
I think it's a phenomenal song
I really like that song
And I like the production of it
I like how it sounds
Fat
I like how they repeat
Things for far longer
Than they should
Yeah
You know
That's true
I mean that's a kind of
An oasis thing
They're a dead jam
They jams devout
They you know
They sit
They sit with something
For 16 bars
Rather than 8
And those kind of things
And it is
It's phenomenal
But yeah
There's something
In the gets
As a body of work
I mean the thing is
It might be someone's
Favourite album
Yeah
But for me
It doesn't have the magic
That these two have
It's weird isn't it
And then you had
What was standing
On the shoulder of Giants
And they all
I mean I described this
Like Be Here Now
I was in the queue
You know they had this thing
On the back of the album
It was August the 8th
Or whatever
The way it was released
Yeah
I was on holiday
And I was buying that album
When it came out
Wow
I can't think so
I was really into it
Like yeah
So like for me
If definitely maybe
Was a 10
Like I like
Watch the story
5
And Be Here Now
Like 2 and a half
Oh wow right
And then they dropped down
Really quickly for me
Like they
Veered so far away
From the thing
I liked about them
And then it just started to
Yeah their polish
Do you know what I mean
The polish and the layers
And the complexity
Just like turned me off
Like steadily more
And more and more
As they got more popular
Do you know what I mean
As it appealed to more
And more people
Yeah I wonder
You know I wonder if
Because at this point
It's a band
Yeah
And by the time you get
To Be Here Now
It's Noel
And a bit of Liam
Yeah
And whoever's around
Yeah
And then after that
It's kind of
Well you can hear
It's sort of the same thing
I think it's really interesting
Because if you listen to BDI
Yeah
Sounds like definitely maybe
Okay
If you go and listen to
High Flying Birds
Yeah
Sounds like Be Here Now
Right okay
And then you can hear
Like I don't know whether
Probably people are screaming
Going oh you're a dickhead
That's what
That's how it sounds to me
Right
It sounds to me
That
That's the
That's like the evolution of that
And that's the evolution of that
Yeah exactly
So like
I would probably go and listen to BDI
Rather than
Yeah
Those kind of later Oasis records
They sound more rock and roll to me
Yeah
But yeah
I just think it's interesting
But I think there's this kind of magic
For definitely maybe
Where you've got both of the brothers there
And you've still got that influence
From
Yeah yeah yeah
From Noel
Yeah
You know I mean
Liam's doing his kind of
You know rock god thing
But you've got Noel
Noel's really right in the songs
Just steering the ship a little bit
Yeah
Yeah exactly
Because BDI is not
I mean it's quite cool
But it's not Oasis
It's not the same
Yeah
I know High Flying Birds isn't Oasis
But it's a lot more
I guess High Flying Birds
Was a lot closer
To the songs
Yeah
Yeah to where Oasis
You know the kind of standing on the shoulder
Of Giants stuff
It kind of naturally ebbs and flows
Into High Flying Birds I think
And you can
I mean you can just hear it
I mean it's ultimately Noel
With different session musicians
Yeah
Yeah yeah yeah
But
But yeah
It's an interesting one for me
That the more complicated the songs got
And I guess probably the better
The more grown up it gets
Like the less I cared about it
I was kind of like
You know that's not
But then again
You know Oasis
Were kind of
Right at the ragged edge
Of what my taste
Would probably
Yeah
Run
You know what I mean
Run to it's kind of
It's right on that poppy
Yeah
Edge
It definitely maybe
Was kind of a little bit raucousy
But by the time you were here
It was you know
It was just getting a little bit
On the
The sweet side
Yes
You know
Yeah
But yeah
I
I still
Yeah I still quite appreciate
These
These albums
Even
Even on Standing on the Shoulder of Giants
There's some great tracks
Some great song
Great songwriting on there
It's just not quite got the
You kind of get the feeling
That Liam's wings have been clipped a bit
Yeah
Do you know what I mean
Yeah
He's like not quite
He's in a cage
Yeah
He's not quite flying as free as he was
Earlier
Yeah
Yeah yeah
With Oasis it was quick
It was fast
Because obviously coming off the back of
Stone Rose's album
That took 14 months
And then other albums that I'd done
They were fast
We was kind of working on
A song a day
Noel would get in and he'd put a guide
Acoustic down always
Why he'd nail the drums
And he'd be like
Right bass in with the bass quigs
Me
Him with the guitar
He'd do his overdubs
He'd come in and sing
It was really quick
I remember that
Really quick session
Song after song
You know
That's because there was
Loves of pubs in town
That we heard that were good
You know what I mean
It was like
Get in there and fucking smash it out
And then fucking pub
Pub
For something
We just loved being in the pub
I'd do bits of engineering
Keep the tape machines running
Set up all the microphones
You know
Record the band
A lot of driving to the pub
All hours
You'd wait
Obviously you'd wait
Until you get your stuff done
And that
But as soon as you get your stuff done
If that was done
That one in the afternoon
Then you'd be in the pub
By ten past one
You know what I mean
Yeah I mean I would just go to the pub
And then
Till we came back
And then I would drive everyone back
You know
Obviously somebody had to remain sober
Because we were on tape back in them days
I thought this would be a long one
It's a long
He's trying to squeeze two
Into one isn't it
It was always good
And the thing is
There's so much to talk about
Yeah
There's so many stories
And you know
It's just brilliant though
It's been really nice
To sort of spend time with the record
And you know
Time with the people that made it
I don't know
I just think the time
You know
We've obviously put in this out
Now because
You know
Oasis are having this huge moment
The brothers are back together
They're
You know
Playing great songs
In big stadiums
With a fantastic band
And everyone's loving it
And all the critics
Are having a good time with it
And the audiences
Are all buzzing about it
And it just seemed like
The right time to look into these two
Didn't it
Yeah
I mean it fits with
What we've been doing as well
I think
You know
I think we've been looking at
The
Alternate
Yeah
Brit pop
Yeah
The alternate kind of
British rock bands
That were happening at the time
Yeah
And I don't know
You're right
It fits
It fits both
In
In the journey
That we've been on
And the albums
That we've covered
So if you're
If you're
If this was an era
For you
Kind of discovering
Rock music
And you like this kind of stuff
Then it might be worth checking out
Some of the
Die back a couple of weeks
Some of the episodes
That we've done prior to this
We've been covering
Like British rock bands
The kind of
You know
The Skunker Nancys
And the Wild Hearts
And the Almighty
And stuff
Little Angels
Yeah
We had a really good time
Covering those
Therapy we did as well
Yeah
So we've had a really good time
Covering those
And it kind of felt
Quite natural to me
To kind of come and
Absolutely
Because these two records
Would have been the biggest
Of the decade
I think
And for me
You know
What I've inadvertently
Found myself doing
Over these last few weeks
In particular
Particularly as the
Chronology has gone forward
A little bit
Yeah
Is I've been reflecting
On my experience
With learning music
Yeah
And actually
Figuring out songs
And songwriting
And singing
And playing the guitar
And
Because that's obviously
Such a huge part of my life
Yeah
This was the roots of that
All of these records were
It's easy to
I say it's easy to
Forget
But I think
This music
Puts you back in
That time
That frame of mind
You know
There's albums
That we've played
There's
There are
A few albums
That like
The first few bars
Will put me back
At that point
That I heard it
Yeah
Music's got a
A way of doing that
I think
Yeah
Sparking those memories
Which is why
We've talked about this
As well
But
It's more than
The music
You know
I mean
It's the music
And the memories
And the times
And you know
All of that stuff
That they
That they represent
It's why
You know
No one can agree
On the best Metallica album
Yes
Because it kind of
Depends on when you
Discover them
Who's your Metallica
Yeah
It is
And it's like
We talk about this
With like
Sepultura
As well
Yeah
Because you're
A bit earlier than me
Yeah
And it's funny
Like there are some albums
That we're like
You know
That we totally agree on
That is definitely
The right thing
But there are some bands
That it's like
We're not
And it's because
Of when we
Discovered them
When we picked up
On them
What's our version
Of that thing
Yeah
And it's what they mean to you
Like for me
It was beneath the remains
For
For Sepultura
Sure
And I remember
Going to college
I remember
Earbuds in
Yeah
Heading off onto college
Listening to that
Yeah
Where some earbuds roots
And it's
It's where you
Yeah
Where you pick these things
And your relationship
With
With them
And
Yeah
I think
One of the things
That comes across
With Oasis
Particularly
Is
Is that connection
To
To people
Yeah
You know
And how they
They manage
They seem to manage
To
Connect to half
Of the British population
In like in a meaningful way
Yeah
As well
You know
There are so few
Artists
That manage to do that
You know
And I'm thinking like
ACDC will do that
Alanis Morissette
Did that
You know
The Beatles
And The Rolling Stones
And you know
These kind of epic bands
That
That managed to do it
But it's a
It's a generational thing
It's not
Yeah
It's not common
For
For bands
To break through
The kind of
You know
The
Societal
Boundaries
Of
You know
Of class
Or where you came from
Or the country
Or whatever
And I think
You know
Noel
Makes a really good point
That the
The songs are kind of
Open to everybody
You know
They're
Come and get them
Yeah
It's a bit of that
Isn't it
They're here
They're here for you
Come and get them
You know
They're vague enough
I think
That you can kind of
Map them to whatever
You want
But
Do you have a favourite
Across the two albums
Do you have like a favourite
Sort of standout song
Oh
I mean for me
It'd be hard to choose
Between Supersonic
Rock and rock and roll star
Okay
But they're the two for me
That always stand out
It's always rock and roll
Star that stands out
For me
That you know
And when they do it live too
Yeah
That song was just
Written for Liam
It's just
Do you know what I mean
It's kind of the embodiment
Of that
Yeah
That boy to me
It's just kind of
You know
How about you
When
It was funny
What you said about that
Because when we
When I did that thing
The other night
I was talking about
You know
Silverstone
Yeah
Where did the
This Oasis tribute thing
Yeah
Supersonic was my favourite
One to play
Was it
Yeah
By quite a long way
Actually
Because the guy
The guy who was doing
The sort of Noel thing
Did the intro riff
Yeah
And I did the little
Pick scrape
At the start
You know that little
Creaky kind of thing
While it was going
And I was just like
This is dead cool
You know
I carried it all the way
Through that riff
And then it kicks into the song
And the room went
And you're like
This is a good song
This is
This is it
And the only song
That they didn't play
Yeah
On the set list
Was my actual
All the time favourite
Oasis song
Which is
Cast No Shadow
Yeah from
Morning Glory
And because I think
I adore it
I think it's a beautiful
Beautiful song
Compare that to
Rock and Roll Star
Yeah yeah yeah
It's like
It's really hard to describe
But it's like
Somebody different
Wrote the song
Yeah yeah yeah
You know
And you know
It's just development
Of songwriting and stuff
And you know
It's inevitable
Yes
Almost all bands
Do it
Right
Except for ACDC
I suppose
And a few
Prong never really
Did that either
But there's a few
There's a few bands
That kind of deliver this
You know
The same
Yeah
It's exactly what you expect
You get what you expect
Most bands develop
But yeah
It's the songwriting difference
Between these two albums
For me
It's like a marked
Step up
In maturity
Of songs
I think
The thing about
Cast No Shadow
Is for me
It's a beautiful song
To play and sing
Right
The way the top line works
The way it kind of dances
It's quite a dancey top line
And
I don't know
You can just
You can really like
Disappear into the song
Yeah
When you're singing
And playing it
And I like it
And
Yeah
It's just
I think that's it for me
As we're going through these
I'm thinking about
Which are your favourite songs
It's the ones that I like
To play and sing
Yeah
I think
And that's why I like
High Off Feeder
Because I really like
Playing that and singing that
So that's
It's interesting
It's about the connection
Yeah
But my connection is beyond listening
It's about
My relationship with
Almost like performing
The song as well
Here's a thought for every man
Who tries to understand
What is in his hands
What's in his mind
He walks along the open road
Of love and life
Surviving if we can
Bound with all the weight
Of all the words
He tried to say
Chained to all the places
That he never wished to stay
Bound with all the weight
Of all the words
He tried to say
As he faced the sun
He cast no shadow
As they took his soul
They stole his pride
As they took his pride
As they took his soul
They stole his pride
As they took his soul
They stole his pride
As they took his pride
As they took his soul
They stole his pride
As they took his soul
They stole his pride
As he faced the sun
He cast no shadow
As he faced the sun
The sun
He cast no shadow
As they took his pride
guitar solo
He walks along the open road of love and life
Surviving if he can
Bound with all the weight of all the words he tried to say
Chained to all the places that he never wished to stay
Bound with all the weight of all the words he tried to say
As he faced the sun he cast no shadow
As they took his soul they stole his pride
As he faced the sun he cast no shadow
cast no shadow is my uh actually in my head
I believe I wanted it to sound like Pink Floyd
Because it's the same chords as Wish You Were Here
The opening chords are the same
Like I said I was listening to it today
And it sounds a bit half baked to me
It's kind of there's a country thing going on
And it's kind of something that's
It's kind of fallen in between two stylistic stools
But it's a fucking great song
You know some of the best words I ever wrote in that song
Bound with all the weight of all the words he tried to say
Chained to all the places that he never wished to stay
I mean fucking I have no recollection of writing it right
But when I heard it today I was like fucking hell mate
Well done
You know it's a great great fucking line
You know profound even do you know what I mean
And uh
Yeah again just writing on instinct
On that you're not really thinking about it
You know what I mean
And it's a shame it hasn't got a second verse
When we were doing it here
Uh morning glory
Uh the verve
Or the verve
Whatever the fucking hell they were called then
I'd split up for the first time
And it was a pretty nasty fallout
As I remember
And Richard had taken it pretty badly
And
Him and Owen
Were quite close
And uh
Just dedicated it to him
There's a beauty I think to
The stuff on
What's the story
That's like totally missing
From
Definitely maybe
You know definitely
The rock and roll star
The
You know the
There's
There's this
Swagger
And almost punk rock
Kind of
Uh vibe
To
Definitely maybe
By the time you watch the story
There's this beauty to it
Where there's kind of layers
And strings
And complexity
And you know what I mean
It's like
Confidence I would say
In Noel's songwriting
Yes
That's totally missing
From definitely maybe
And for me that's what makes
Definitely maybe shine
Right
It's kind of simpler and paired
Shine
But it's
But there's this
This thing to it
Where
You know it's
It's like a different band
Yeah
I mean I know it's not a different band
But it's
But it
It's
It's the level of complexity
And the level of structure
In the songs
Um
Yeah it's just
It is
That journey
You know
And in such a short space
I mean we talked about this
But it's in like
Less than a year
Probably
Between
Them recording those two records
Um
Yeah phenomenal
And a gorgeous song too
Yeah absolutely
Right
What are we going to do next
Black Sabbath
That was a bit of time to think about it
It was
Well we did
Because as we record this
And we do time thing
This is on a Monday night
Which is dead weird for us
Yes
It's like a school night
Yeah
And
But the weekend that's just gone
Because of Silverstone
Oh sorry
That's why
So it's my fault
Because I was in Silverstone
Silverstone
So you were at Silverstone
Yeah
Doing
Uh
Gigging in that
Yeah
So we couldn't do it over the weekend
Uh
So we're doing this on a Monday
But
Uh
The Saturday just gone
Was the
Back to the beginning
Ozzy Osbourne gig
Which just looked
So incredible
Unbelievable
Our social feed
Has just been
Stuffed full of people
Sharing things
And people that went
And
It just looks incredible
From beginning to end
That gig does
Um
And I love the fact
That it's put a few people
In their place
Yes
There's a few
Yeah
Whingy
Whiny
YouTubers
Yeah
You know who you are
Who were talking about
How it was going to be awful
And Ozzy would just get
Kind of rolled out
And die basically
And it would be awful
And why would anyone
Blah blah blah blah blah
Yeah
Um
And it was just this
Incredible
Like a love letter
To heavy metal
Yeah
To Black Sabbath
Where it came from
But there were people
That were there
And you could see
That you know
The love from everybody
That was there
To the genre
Yeah
And it was
Just phenomenal
One of the
He's almost like
The Godfather
Yeah
A little bit
Yeah
Absolutely
And it was
Like a
It was like a
Like a tribute
But the guy's there
You know
And it was like a
Thank you note
Yeah
It was
For me
It was just incredible
So many cool bands
Yeah
So many
Everyone
Everyone who's
Anyone was there
It was great
Yeah
But some weird low points
David Draymond
Being booed
Yeah
As he
He came out
You know
Some weird stuff
Happened as well
But some epic stuff
Like you know
Jason
Moe
Doing his
Pitch stuff
And Nuno
Betancourt
Played a blind
God he can play
He can't
He just
That boy can
He's epic
He's just
But they were like
They were like
You know
Sons of
Anyway
I thought it would be great
For us to do
Just like
We'll pick one of the
First four
Black Sabbath records
I don't know
Which one
Oh
It's Paranoid
And Warpigs
On the same one
Yeah
Yeah that's what
I'm doing then
So
So that's
The thing is
I think my favourite
Is probably
Master of Reality
Yeah yeah
What songs are
See the thing is
I don't know the albums
I know the songs
That's like Sweet Leaf
Yeah
Children of the Grave
Yeah yeah
Is on that one
And then Paranoid
Which is the first one
Is Warpigs
Yeah that's the stuff
Planet Caramac
Yeah all that
Planet Caramac
Yeah
It's got Iron Man
On it
Iron Man on it
Which is just
Bloody brilliant
And then Volume 4
Which has got like
Changes on it
Supernaught
Snowbind
Yeah yeah yeah
It's bonkers
Those first four albums
From Black Sabbath
There's
You know
Yeah
Tune after tune
After tune
It's just epic
And it's just this
I saw somebody
Saying the other day
That
I think
It was somebody
That we
We chat with
On X quite a lot
There's a girl
Called Amy
Who she posts
About music
And stuff
She's really quite cool
She did a post
Just to say
You know
Giving credit
To Black Sabbath
You know
The godfathers
Of a genre
And somebody
Replied back
Saying they weren't
Like
I don't get it
Right
They're not
Like the Beatles
Are they
I was like
Yeah
They are
Like the Beatles
To me
Yeah
I've never
Listened to a
Beatles album
End to end
The Black Sabbath
Black Sabbath
Gave me
My music genre
Yeah
That's where it
Came from
The drop
Detuning
That kind of
Down tune
They open the door
For everyone
To explore that world
Exactly
I know it's not
Screamy and metally
And all that sort of
Stuff like it's
Become now
It's dark
But it
But it's broody
And it had big guitars
And it had
You know
Big distorted things
And it was rock and roll
And you know
That
That was a gateway
Not a gateway
You know
As music fans
But gateway's music makers
It spawned an entire genre
And they opened the door
And they were the seedling
Like you said
They opened the door
To that world
Yeah
That
And I mean
At the time
This would have been
As extreme as
Any metal band
Yes
That we listen to
Today
Yeah
You know
Black Sabbath
Because of the world
Yeah
Because no one was doing that
In 1970
You know
It was
It came from
Nowhere
Almost
So yeah
I'm
Looking forward to
Doing that
We'll pick one of those
That's got to be the first one
Not the first one
Paranoid
Yeah
I think
You would
I think we'll have to
Toss something
Because I'd love to do
Master of Reality
Could do both again
Could do a double
It's too long
I'll get tired
It's about midnight
Isn't it
It is
It's way past
Nine o'clock bedtime
Find a key or something
Find
Go on
Let's do some
Epic podcasting
Is that a key
I've got a key
So what are you going
You need to be honest
Because you're
Black
I feel like I'm going to get
Like
I'm going to
I'm going to lose my house
Right
So if the writing's up
Yeah
If the writing's up
Yeah
That's going to be
The War Pigs one
Yeah paranoid
Yeah
Okay do it
And then if it's down
It's the Master of Reality
So Chris has got the room key
To the studio
Yeah
It's got like a little
Yellow tag on it
And he's going to
Launch it into the air
And if it lands
With the writing up
It's paranoid
Yeah
Do it
Do the throwing up
Just while we
Before we do that
Just to build the suspense
Oh god yeah go on
We just need to say
That we've got the wrong
Colour fruit pastels tonight
Yeah we didn't mention that
Did we
We've got green ones
Not the red and black
So where we are
In the studio
There's a garage across the road
And that's the place
Where we go
Yeah
To get the Coke Zero
Yeah
And the fruit pastels
But the fruit pastels
Have to be the one
In the red packets
Red and black
Yeah
So it's the red and black ones
And they didn't have any
No
So that's why the show
That's why the show
Is two hours long
Right keys
Okay here we go
Ready
Do the thing
Yeah
I'm going to throw him high
Yeah
So there's no cheating
Yeah
Ready
Yeah
Keys up
It's paranoid
Yes
War pig
War pig's paranoid
Planet Caravan
Planet Caravan was never
Released as a single
Was it
Oh we'll talk about this
Next week
But what we'll do
Is we'll do that
And then we'll do
Master's Reality
Afterwards
The week after
Let's just do that
The thing is right
Because we can do
What we want
Let's just do all of
The Black Sabbath albums
In order
End to end
Do you know
I'd love to
Do you know
We need to go to America
Well we need to go back
To America
It will be phenomenal
We could do
Let's do all four
Paranoid
Yeah
Do all of them
But then
What we should do
Is we should then
Pick somebody
That played at
The
Oh that's a good idea
Maybe we could do
Aussie
We could do
We've done an Aussie
Record already
But we could do
I'd look
There's so many Aussie
Records that are epic
We could go and do Aussie
But then there's a whole bunch
Of stuff that we could go and do
That were there
I mean
Metallica were hanging around
Guns and Roses were hanging around
Lamb of God
Were hanging
It's just
There's so many
Lizzy Hale was there
Yeah
It was like a who's who
Of
It was
Just epicness
So I think that would be
Quite a good
Spring
A natural springboard
For us to
To wave goodbye
To the United Kingdom
Of epicness
And head over to
To some big thick
Heavy American
Rock and roll
Yes
Let's do that
Let's do that then
Alright
Thank you for listening
I know it's been a long
One today
I know it's been long
Because I'm tired
Yes
My little eyes are rot
I'm like
Oh can I go to bed now
and we'll see you next week see you next week bye