*Wheep*
Mythology
We're back, we are back
With a vengeance on a Saturday afternoon
It doesn't feel very rock and roll on a Saturday afternoon, does it?
It's not, is it?
You know, it's like, I remember when we used to do it in, I remember when we used to do the doghouse in the winter
And it was, it was downstairs and it was always dark and there were always police cars outside
And it just felt a bit rock and roll, you know, this is rock and roll
Yeah
Like Saturday afternoon
Yeah, it's sunny
It doesn't feel rock and roll, is it?
It's very pleasant, it's Glastonbury weekend
Oh, it is!
Everyone's there
You were telling me the, um, Lewis
He's back
Capaldi's back
He's back
Don't care
I didn't notice he was gone
Did you? I just didn't notice, I'm sure he's lovely
He seemed lovely, I watched a documentary on him, he was lovely
Yeah, yeah, yeah
I didn't notice he was gone though
He's got a nice gruff voice
He has
He's a banging songwriter
Yeah, I can belt it
He's a good songwriter, isn't he?
Yeah
I watched it, I watched a lovely video of him
A lovely documentary
And it showed him and his girlfriend at the time I think it was
And he used to go and just bury himself away in this like little annex
Yeah
And, you know, play on his piano, bash out some tunes and that
And his girlfriend basically thought he was a bit of a loser
Just imagine that
Yeah, yeah, yeah
Look at me now
Yeah, absolutely
Very good
What else is going on at Glastonbury?
Do you know what's going on?
I don't know, I don't really watch it
I'm not
No
Yeah, it's not really my
It's Radio 2, isn't it?
Radio Summit
Yeah
Radio 2
Yeah
Glastonbury's Radio 2 scene
Yeah
It's
I'll tell you what it is, it's in Mainstream Friends
Okay
Yeah, Mainstream Friends
That's what it is
Yeah, yeah
Occasionally you get like
Something
Fun bands there
Yeah
Like you guys played there
Yeah
That would've been fun
Yeah
But it's buried away
You don't get to see them, you know what I mean?
Yeah, yeah, yeah
No
Headline, you don't get
I like, when I went, I liked St. Vincent when she played with her band
Yeah
She was great
She was really, really good
You just kept sending me pictures of like, how big it was
It's massive, look it's massive, it's the biggest thing ever
It is, it's like a city, it's like a city, but yeah, it's, it's, I've never seen anything so big
Yeah
I'm not sure, I'm not, I'm not, I've got no drive to go to Glastonbury, I don't know why
I just imagine my feet would hurt a lot
And I wouldn't really like it, I've never been, but that's, that's the kind of thing that I've got in my head
There's lots of things that I feel like that about
Yeah, yeah, I think, I think we're both of an age now where we both like nice soap
Yeah, hand soap
Yeah, like nice hand soap, I like sharp razors to shave with, I like comfy chairs
Yeah, you're not getting those at Glastonbury
Do you know what I like a lot as well? I know it's a bit, I'm a bit, this is going to sound really weird
It's just, you know when you're like, I'm just about to launch into this
And then I'm just like, oh, you should stop, you should maybe not say that
But I really like my car, because it's got heated seats
And I've been doing my couch to 5k
Yeah, yeah
It makes my back ache a little bit
Yeah
And I really like when I get in the car
Put the heated, and it's lovely
You can hear that warm, you know that lovely warm feeling
Yeah, yeah, yeah
And it warms up your back and you just think, oh, that's really lovely
Yeah
Well, it's like 500 degrees Celsius today
Yes
So I can't, and I put my, and I got in the car and it had the heated seat on
I was like, oh, it's a bit overwhelming this is
Yeah, yeah, yeah
You've got, you suddenly feel like, you know, you've got the air cons blasting freezing cold air at your face
And the heated seats are warming you, and you just, oh, I had to switch it off
Yeah, yeah, yeah
It made me a bit sad
So, because you're, it's your birthday today
It is my birthday today
Happy birthday, Neil
Thank you very much, happy birthday to me
I haven't got you anything
What have we got, you got, what have we got, we got
Yeah, but you bought those
I bought my own fruit pastels
I bought my own birthday present
I bought myself a copy of Wasps, The Headless Children
An original 1989 version
And it made me very happy
Very happy
I'm listening to that this morning
And you've chose to come and do this on your birthday
Which is very, you know
Just getting out of the house
That's commitment, isn't it?
Kids are just fighting with each other
I was describing this morning the kids like
And they, so I kind of woke up a bit late
And the kids hadn't written the card, right?
So they hadn't written the birthday card
Because they're kids and they don't want to do that
So my youngest is really excited about birthdays
He loves birthdays
And my eldest is 14
Yeah, yeah, yeah
And isn't excited about anything
He's at that teenage point where everything's like
And that's what you get from him
And so anyway, Barney wanted to get him to write on the card
So Barney had written his part on the card
And then went in to give the card to Leo to do
Now the other bit of the card was black
And Leo decided to write on it in like liquid chalk pen
Yeah, yeah, yeah
So he got the liquid chalk pen
Pressed down too hard
It blobbed everywhere and liquid chalk went everywhere
My youngest then called him an idiot
So Leo punched him
So now I've got like liquid chalk all over the walls and the floor
Yeah
I've got a card that looks like it's there
And then both of the boys are punching each other
So I'll tell you what
I was going to do a recording instead
And I just thought, do you know what?
Yeah
I've watched the...
There's a Grand Prix on this weekend
So I thought I'll watch the...
Silverstone next week, isn't it?
Yeah
Are you playing?
Yeah
Are you?
Yeah, it's cool
You're going to do a bit of tunage
It's cool there actually
You play in the...
The woodland bit
In the bush
In the bushes
Yeah
That's how I was saying to the lads
Just to sort of let their hair down weekend
It's mad
I...
I remember
I took Barney last year
I met up with Dave House
And we kind of went into his bit
And he'd been talking about
Oh yeah, well we do this thing there
At Silverstone
And I thought, you know, you kind of
Your mates say things like that
Yeah
Oh, okay, well, whatever
I went there and like he owns
Like he runs like half of Silverstone
When you go there
He's got this massive fan
And you're like, what?
Oh yeah, yeah, we do all that
Yeah, yeah
What about that bit?
Yeah, we do that bit
Yeah, that bit
Everything you can see is him
All these simulators
Yeah
And it was just mad
So cool
Yeah, yeah
Such a cool experience
Yeah
Yeah, it's dead good
Dead good
But yeah, which one is it this weekend then?
It's the Hungara ring
Okay
So yeah, it's Max Verstappen's home Grand Prix
Yeah, yeah, yeah
So yeah, it's good
The qualifying's on now
Okay
Oh, so you're missing that to do this
I'm missing the quality
Yeah, but I'll watch it when I get back
Yeah, yeah, yeah
Do you watch it fast?
I don't, I like
I like
I like the beginning bit
Yeah, I like the beginning bit
I like that
Yeah, I do
I like
I like my Formula One
Very good
So, I'm Chris
I'm Neil
Yes
This is Riffology
You found us
Riffology.co is the website and the blog and everything else
You should go on that
You should go on that because that's really good
Great
Yeah, there's loads of stuff on there
Loads of stuff
And then this is the podcast that lives on that with that
It's symbiosis
Brilliant
This is what happens
Just nailed it
People love this
Which is strange
Bearing in mind that we've just had seven minutes of not telling anybody about what we're
doing
Do you know
But people seem to really like it
I don't understand
He said to me that it's like being with your mates in a pub just chatting about it
Yeah, yeah
And that, you know, I think there is this, I don't know, there's this isolation in modern life
Where we are quite isolated now and it's nice
I listen to podcasts during the day and it's nice, it feels like there's somebody else in the room
I like it, I like the Blind Boy one
That's the one I listen to the most
Yeah, yeah, you got me onto that
I listen to him every week
But he's like he's talking to me, if that makes any sense at all
He does that too there
He does weird stuff where you have no idea what's going on for 20 minutes
And then you're like, oh, that's what we're here today
But yeah, anyway, thank you for listening to us
Thank you for tuning in
And yeah, we're doing a TerraVisions formaldehyde
We're kind of still on our British, I don't know, deep dive really
We're just kind of looking at albums from the 90s in England that nobody outside of England really heard
Yeah
So lots of these records, I've chatted to a few friends over in the US
Even, I was chatting to some friends in Australia this week
Yeah, yeah
I say friends of people that I work with
And they were saying that they'd never heard of these
No
Which is weird because a lot of, we export a lot, there's a lot of similarity
Yeah
A lot of stuff like that
So often where perhaps an album might not break the US
It will still travel
Yeah, and there's an Australian import
Yeah, Japan is an area where a lot of the British heavy metal bands
Yeah, that was a thing, wasn't there?
Yeah, that was definitely a thing there
Where bands perhaps didn't break the US
But a lot of these albums just didn't break anywhere
No
You know, they didn't seem to
It was like a, I don't know, like a localised, like this hard rock
I'm trying to think of the way to describe it
But like you wouldn't describe Skunk and Nancy as hard rock
No
I don't know what you would describe Wild Hearts as
This is a weird, this is a weird thing where it kind of sits in like pop and rock
Yeah
And there's like bits of metal in there, bits of rock in there, bits of
Against this background in '93
Yeah
Of grunge, I guess
Yeah, totally
You know, hair metal's kind of done a, you know, it's done one
Hair metal's kind of disappeared
I say disappeared, there were some amazing hair metal records that were released around this time
That nobody ever heard
Yeah
Because we were a band, there were four people in the band
Say, like the drummer, liked AC/DC
Which is kind of easy to play, I suppose, for a drummer
The guitarist liked the likes of Motorhead
The bass player liked the likes of KISS
And I liked the likes of, like David Bowie, Elton John
So when you put all those things together
You sort of got a sound that wasn't one thing
It was inspired by lots of things
And it was like mixing ingredients that had been around for a long time
But a new cake coming out of the oven
Um, it was sweeter in parts and sour in others
Um, chewy in bits
And, um, yeah, that's, that's just the way it came out
We didn't want a particular
We weren't good enough to be a covers band
Because we couldn't work out other people's tunes
And so while we were trying to work out someone else's tune
We probably ended up writing our own
And thinking, oh, sod it, we'll just do this one instead
And, yeah, and then, but all everybody heard in 1993 was Nirvana, I guess
Yeah, yeah, yeah
Um, and so against the background of that
These albums
They made a big splash in the UK
This particular album was number 75 in the charts
Yeah
In the UK charts
Yeah
And that was considered good
Um, but like, we're normally over here in the UK
We would've had the top 40
Yeah
So, I mean, this didn't dent
Didn't touch it, yeah, yeah, no
Didn't touch it
Interestingly, um, uh, this was released twice
Yeah
In '92 and '93
That's a common thing, yeah
The last couple have done this, haven't they, where
Did this have more tracks on it, one of those sort of things, or?
A little bit, yeah
So, the first, the first version of it was released in December 1992
Yeah
And it's called the Total Vegas Edition
Right
And they released it on their own record label before
I think, was it EMI that picked them up?
I'm just looking at my notes
Should have been ready for this
Yeah, EMI
Picked them up eventually and signed them
And then it was reissued in, in May
So like the formal release was kind of May, 3rd of May '93
Yeah
But it, but they sped it out before that on their own label
Yeah
Um, but where it gets interesting, I think, is that, that initial Total Vegas edition
Uh, there were a thousand CDs
Yeah
And 500 vinyls
Yeah
It was all kind of done, you know, on a budget by them
24 page, um, like photo book in there
Yeah, yeah
About, about life on the road with them
Like, you know, kind of, um, you know, the pictures I've got of you guys
Yeah
Like, backstage and other bits and pieces
Yeah
Like that, it's just full of pictures of people
Yeah, candid stuff, people lounging about, people mucking about
Um, it's like, there's like 24, uh, a 24 page booklet of that
Um, the bit that I find fascinating, I just looked on Discogs, how much a copy of that is selling for
The last one sold for 550 pounds
Of that original
Wow
Of an album that got to number 75 in the charts and no one's heard of
Yeah, yeah
And you're like, what?
What's going on there, yeah
It's mad, isn't it?
Yeah, yeah, yeah
The EMI versions sell for like 25 quid
The usual sort of
30 quid, something like that
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
Um, but yeah, mad
Even, even like the cassettes are going
If you, if you can find anything of that Total Vegas, the CDs or the vinyl
They're worth tons of cash
It's become really valuable to people
Collectors almost
They're weird collectors, aren't they?
My friend, my friend, a Doctor Who collector
Yeah, okay
They're weird
Yeah
They're really weird
Do you know what I mean?
Like, like properly
Yeah
Do you know what I mean?
So anal about things
Yeah
And it's, and it's all about like the, of the barcodes on things
And, um, like there'll be an order of things
And there'll be a, there'll be a slight change in a production run or something
Yeah, yeah, yeah
And they've got to get that particular
Yeah, yeah, yeah
And you can't tell the difference
I mean, it looks identical
Yeah
You've got to have, got to have all of them
This particular thing
Yeah, I think collecting's weird
Yeah
Says the man who collects vinyl
It's different
I sent, I sent you a meme, didn't I?
You did
Yeah, yeah
What do you like the best about vinyl?
Yeah
It's the, uh, the inconvenience and the expense
Yeah, and it is that, so it is
The thing I, do you know the thing I like about it?
And holding that Wasp record this morning, does it for me?
Yeah
It's sitting there holding the thing
I took the record out, put it on
And then it starts to spin up and you get all that nostalgia of, of like the, remembering the first time that you did it
I remember where I was and how, you know, and hearing the album, that Wasp album, The Headless Children was the first album that I think I pre-ordered
Yeah
So I went to the record shop, paid my lap, whatever it was, like six or seven quid or whatever albums cost back then
And then Martin and Martin's records in Ashby went, yeah, alright, I'll tell you when it's here
Wow, yeah, yeah
Yeah, yeah
You know, not, oh, it's here on the blah, blah, blah day
It was like, yeah, well, we're expecting it in a few weeks, I'll give you a ring
And that was it, then, you know, we didn't have an answer phone or anything like that
And so, you know
Just keep popping in
Yeah
At some point it'll show up
But that was the first one
But, but you, you take it out and then you, you've just got this physical thing in your hands that you can
I don't know, it just feels
There's just, there's something about that
Yeah, yeah
It's nice
Yeah, I'm not bothered really about it
Yeah, you're not, are you?
No
I like, I like having the ones of the ones that I really like
Yeah
But I haven't really got a record player or anything, I'm not really, I don't really listen to them
I just
You just put them on the wall or something, don't you?
Yeah, I just like having them, you know, the ones that I like
I want, I want your copy of "What Happened To The Get To Know You"
Yes
That was one of, I really like that record that you did, it's really cool
And I wasn't around to get a copy of it when it first, when you first did it
And I didn't, actually, it's on your website now, I should go and
I should just go and buy it like somebody normal
Like a proper friend would do
Yeah, I'll support you
I'll support you
I sort you out
Instead, no it's me going, "Can I have it for free?"
Because I'm useless
But yeah, I
See, I didn't find television until later
No, no me
So this album was like something that, you know, I've had to go and listen to
To kind of learn it and get used to it
And there's a couple of tracks that I really, really like on it
But I kind of like them when they did like "Alice, What's the Matter?"
And "Whaels and Dolphins", "Perseverance", you know, those sort of things
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
I really loved all that
But by the time they got to "Tequila", that wasn't really
I was like, "Oh, that's funny, but it's not really my thing now"
I like the really grungy stuff that they did
They did go quite grungy
This album, I think, is really interesting in the tone of it and the production of it
Yeah, it was Gil Norton, isn't it?
Oh, okay, right
So, kind of
So Gil Norton did some of it
But the production credit is Pat Grogan
Right, okay
Now, I can't find much about Pat Grogan at all
In, like, stuff that he has done previously
Or post this
So, I don't know whether anybody
I'm sure people will know
The usual crew will write and tell me
"You idiot"
Of course he did these massive albums
But I couldn't find much about Pat Grogan
Yeah
Gil Norton did
"New Policy, One, My House and Human Being"
But he did "Mixing"
He didn't do production
He did "Mixing" on them
And, of course, then he went on to do
Massive stuff, yeah
Yes, he did "The Pixies"
But he did all kinds of
I created a list somewhere
I've got two sets of notes
Which is really confusing for me
Oh, Gil Norton
So, "Echo and the Bunnymen"
Wow
"Pixies", "The Colour and the Shape"
"The Foo Fighters", "Counting Crows", "Recovering the Satellites"
Yeah, that's the one
It was that "Colour and the Shape" and "Recovering the Satellites"
They're the two for me
Really sort of quintessentially Gil Norton's production
He did "Echo Park"
Did he?
So, we talked about that last week
Yeah, so he did "Book Rogers" and "Just a Day From There"
"Foo Fighters", "Echo Silence", "Patience and Grace"
Which I quite liked
Yeah, he did "AFI" as well
So, yeah, he did all kinds of interesting stuff
But didn't produce this one
No
He was just mixing
I wonder
It doesn't explain why
Just those three
I think they were the three
Were they the three singles?
I'm just looking
I should have probably prepared this before
I started rather than
Having you listen to read my own notes
But I
Yeah, I wonder if they were the singles
Would make sense
That like EMI went
You know, these sound a bit crappy lads
Let's go and get
Yeah, it would make sense
So, yeah, I don't know
But there is an interesting production style to this
I think
It sounds
I don't know
It is
You wouldn't get confused between this and a US rock album
No, yeah, yeah, yeah
I totally hear that
I know exactly what you mean
You kind of know it's not
Like some of the British albums
Started to
Start to veer across
And sound pretty big and thick and American
Yeah
You know that
I don't know what they do with the guitars
But they
There's just certain
It feels like a certain weight to the US
Yes
Stuff that's kind of
It's
More punchy
Yeah
More compressed
Whereas the
A lot of the British production was just
I think it's a little bit cleaner and clearer
But it didn't have the same
Kind of
It wasn't like a wave of sound
No, yeah
Like slamming you
Do you
I think you can tell
Yeah
That that's there
This sounds quite
I don't know like energetic and punky
Yes
In places
You know what I mean
It's kind of
It's like a
It's not a lazy album
No
It's kind of up and on its feet
And it's
It's moving
Or even the slower songs are kind of up and on their feet
Yeah
They're kind of quite energetic I think
Yeah, yeah, yeah
So
Yeah, yeah, yeah
It's quite a cool
I like the production on this album
It sounds
Yeah
Authentic
You know what I mean
It sounds authentic
It doesn't
It's
I mean we've talked about this in the past
I
I'm not a big fan of those albums that sound
Like a
You know
Someone in a suit
Yes
Has given their opinion on it
Do you know what I mean
Yeah
I kind of
This just feels like
This is the band
This is the lads
This is the
Yeah
The guys coming together and doing it
Yeah
These decisions were all taken in the studio
Yeah
At like three in the morning probably
Yeah
Yeah, yeah, yeah
Do you know what I mean
Yeah
And there's a certain authenticity about that
That I quite like
I mean yeah
It probably could have been produced better
It could have been made
I mean
Because it's quite quiet
It's
You kind of have to wind your volume up a little bit more
Than you think you probably should do for this record
Yeah, to get to it
In places
Yeah, yeah, yeah
But yeah
There's something
I think as you go through the 90s
That gets knocked off a little bit
And the start
Like by the time you get to
What's the story Mourning Glory
Yeah
Which was what was that
90
Was it 5, 5, 6
Yeah, 6 I think
Yeah
But by the time you get there
I think
Albums that came after that
Yeah
The compressors were being wound up
Yeah, totally
And it was
You know what I mean
It was like
How can we saturate the CD
Yeah
And nothing was released on vinyl
No
Like get albums that were released
Like 96, 7, 8, 9
They're really difficult to get on vinyl usually
So you've just got your CD dynamic range
Effectively
Yeah
But just slammed
It's like
You know
As you can
You can see
I think if you took records
That were released in probably 92
Yeah
Compared them to 98
You wouldn't need to listen to them
You could just see them in the waveform
Yeah
It's just that square block
Of music
But
And it was all done for radio
It was all done
To make them sound good on Radio 1
Yeah
So when you release that big single
You know
When you
Like when you release The Wonderwall
Yeah
It sounds mega
It sounds like detailed
And it's got this punch to it
Which in itself is compressed on the way out
I don't know if you knew that
No I didn't
BBC Radio 1
Yeah
Is compressed
On the way out to broadcast
So if you do that
So it's got a sound to it
It's got
I wonder if
Like a lot of it is
A sort of saturated sound to it
When they moved to digital
Yeah
A lot of them moved to 128 kilobits
Right
Like down
Yeah
So like digital radio
Before that
FM radio
When it was
Like digital
But it wasn't
What are they called
It's a DAB
Yeah
There's the different types of digital radio
Yeah
So the old frequency modulated
The FM stuff
It was much higher quality
Yeah
Than when they moved to
When they moved to digital
They down sampled it
So I wonder if a lot of it
Was to do with
You know we do with that
Possibly
Yeah
Masking it almost
Yeah
If you can't
You know you're going to reduce
The sample rate
Yeah
You compress it a bit
So it sounds a bit more punchy
Yeah
I bet
It's bound to have been a
Yeah there's definitely a factor there
Wasn't there
A bunch of that in there
But it's interesting to me
That this
This one is one
Again
One that
It doesn't
It doesn't feel over compressed to me
It doesn't feel like it's been
Wound up too much
And I quite like that
Yeah
Bit punky
He was born diseased
With a twisted mind
His hands
His feet
His elbows tied
Sleeps by the day
And in the night
He cries
The bastard son
Of a travelling man
Conceived and born
In a caravan
Lives where he couldn't
Comes out when he can
The bastard son of a rock star
Played by an actor
Get him
Make a phone
Because he died
In a black star
Hurt to booze
Drugs and sex
Wrecking mufflers
And they got him
Make all the rats
Like a tantrum
Trying it on
To get his picture
In the news
Chocolate
But he's put
The same place
That he's put
You're trying to
Be the outside
Call
This is the land
Of the free
Tuning in
To 6-15
We always learn
But we'll never need
An American team
Be circumcified
Our liberty
Fight the fight
To succeed
Living out
The American dream
An American team
We bump into
A
U-S-M-A
Always search
For the American way
Take a ride
Out of the camp
We can't
Go to go again
All time
Let's salute
All time
For the man
On the moon
Now I'm too soon
Now the ocean's bright
But it's better
And I'm fine
Washing them
To Tennessee
We put the boys
In the day
This is the land
Of the free
Tuning in
To 6-15
We'll always learn
Pulling out my knees
On American TV
Such a fight
Out of liberty
Fight the fight
To succeed
We're living out
The American dream
On American TV
I'm moved out
By the country
But we'll fly
And we'll fight
For our glory
Uh-oh
He was born disease
With a twisted mind
His hands
His feet
Is almost tied
Sweep by the dam
And the night
He cries
To the end of the day
He's been born to be a man
I'm a rock star
Played by an actor
Got a microphone
Because he died
And a black guy
Bustin' blues
Drugs and sex
Make him a pandemic
Got a bank on the rules
This is the land of the free
Tuning in to 650
Well I was one fool
I would never need
An American team
Be such a fight
I will live out a day
Fight the fight
To succeed
Living out the American dream
America TV
What's that quote from there?
I'd buy that for a dollar
It's an American TV show
Yeah
Where I
I don't know
No
I know it's from an American TV show
But I don't know
I don't know what
I don't know what it's from
It would make sense
But the song title
But the song title would be in American TV
Wouldn't it
That would make sense
Talking about TV
This was released in 1993
What were the top UK TV shows
UK TV shows
What do you think the British
The esteemed British population
What if you believe everything you read on social media
Won World Wars
World War I and World War II
And did all of the things
It was all to do with British people
What were we watching
Do you know what we were watching
Soldier Soldier
No
Casualty
Yes but not
Yes but yeah but no
Heartbeat
Gladiators
The biggest
Was EastEnders
Okay yeah
21.8 million
Yeah oh soaps of course
Coronation Street
Yeah
One foot in the grave
Victor Meldrew
Yeah
Neighbours
I was going to say
Home and Away or Neighbours
Yeah
We had a thing in our house
Where like religiously
This was a thing that happened
Yeah
Is we would always eat
Yeah
When Neighbours was on
That was a thing
So it would be five
About five
It would be CBBC
Or whatever it is
And then there'd be Newsround
Which is the bit at the end of
Like all the cool cartoons and everything
And programmes
Yeah
Then Newsround where it all gets a bit boring
Yeah
And then it would be Neighbours
After that
Oh
And join Neighbours
That was when dinner happened
Well
Every single day
How did they
How did they find time
To create so many
How did they not run out of things
To do
Yeah
Anyway so you had that Neighbours
The Bill
Yeah the Bill
I like the Bill
Only Fools and Horses
See all of these
All had wicked
Theme tunes
They did
You can
Like the bit you remember
In your head now
As you're saying these things
Is the theme tune
Birds of a Feather
Yeah
Inspector Morse
Yeah
Emmerdale
Right
Yeah that was
That was like a bit of a golden age
Wasn't it for British content
Bit mad isn't it
I think
Inspector Morse
I never watched those
No
Now then
I'm going to compare that
To the United States
Okay
So people sometimes ask
Why you
Why did the US
Take over the world
Right
So this is what we got
From the US
So you think back
You remember the
EastEnders
And the stuff that we got
Right
They gave us
The Simpsons
Right
Baywatch
Right
Yeah
X-Files
It was in the US in 93
We didn't get the X-Files
Until 94
But that was in 93
I loved it
I went back
And watched all of that
From the beginning
Did you
And I've watched it
Probably three times
Beginning to end
All the way through
It was always Tombs
That I remember
Oh that's the very first show
The very first show is Tombs
Is it
When he kind of squeezes
Yeah yeah yeah
I just love that
I want my kids to watch it
But Liz apparently tells me
That there is
That there's something
About them being scared
And not being able to sleep
Another one that you will love
Yeah
Quantum Leap
Star Trek
I used to watch that a lot
Star Trek Next Generation
Star Trek TNG
Cheers
Roseanne
Seinfeld
Fresh Prince of Bel-Air
Yeah what huge programs
All these were
Murder She Wrote
Yeah
That's
I didn't know that was US
Angela Lansbury
Yeah she doesn't sound
Very American does she
No
Not necessarily in that one
Beverly Hills 90210
Yeah
Safe by the Bell
Twin Peaks
The Golden Girls
Now
Other stuff
Like Home Improvement as well
Yeah I remember that
Was there
Melrose Place
Yeah I remember that
But I have to be honest
When you're comparing
Like EastEnders
Against X-Files
EastEnders
Not going to win
Is it
No of course it's not
It's just not
No
So I
It's interesting
The song
American TV
That we've just listened to
Is about
The consumerism
And stuff in
Yeah
From American TV shows
But they were just better
Yeah
I mean Star Trek
Star Trek was
TNG
TNG was just
Mad
I loved that
It was so good
Star Trek
TNG
X-Files
Star Trek
TNG
And Quantum Leap
Yeah what else do you want
I mean
You might as well delete
Everything else
Bit of Baywatch
And off you go
Yeah
Dead good
Anyway I thought I'd just talk about that bit
Yeah that's a very good thing to talk about
What are you watching at the minute
We've not done a bit about what you're watching at the minute
Andor
Oh are you
I watched the first couple of Andor
And then
There were no more Andor
Oh you don't like that do you
I had to wait
You can't wait
Because I had to wait like two weeks
I forgot about it
Yeah
And now
I'm like I can't go back now
Until I've forgotten the first ones
Yes
And then watch it all again
To watch
So I don't
And that makes me really grumpy
Yeah yeah
You see I can put things down
And then come back six months later
Can you
Yeah
I can't do that
I can't
And that's why at the beginning
Where they do the little recaps
Do you like that
I was like oh okay
Yeah yeah
I'm watching Murderbot at the minute
Yeah you've said that to me
That I need to watch that
Lots and lots and lots of times I haven't
I really like Murderbot
It's really funny
Yeah
But that's weekly
Right
And that's really annoying
Yeah
They're only 20 minute episodes
Right okay
And it's made me really angry
That I have to wait a week
Just put them all on
Don't
You've clearly already done them
You're not
People aren't working on this
It's done
Just get it on there
It's not like EastEnders
Yeah
Just bash them out
Yeah
Dickheads
Anyway so I don't like
I don't like that very much
And you have to wait for things
Yeah
But loads of new stuff's coming
Isn't it
Silo
Yeah
Silo's on its way again
I love Silo
What was the one that was on
Oh Foundation
Foundation
The three body problem is back
Yeah yeah
As well
In not too long
A time
So
And that's like
I have to say
Yeah
It's quite experimental stuff
Isn't it
Yeah
Like foundation's hard
It's not
It's about mathematics
Yeah it's not bubblegum
It's not
None of it's bubblegum
Three body problem
No
It's not bubblegum
It's not
You have to really think
And watch it
Do you know what I love
About this stuff is
That the
There aren't many things
I'm an expert in
Right
But like maths and code
And that kind of stuff
I'm quite good at
Yeah
And what I love about
Social media
Especially Facebook
Is much worse than this
From the other platforms
But whenever anything
Like that happens
Yeah
Everybody becomes an expert
Yeah
Do you know what I mean
Yeah
And this kind of
This kind of layman stuff
And you hear people
Talking about like
Abstract science
Or abstract maths
In like layman's terms
Yeah
As if they're an expert
Yes
And you just think
No no no no
You look very silly
No
It's just
Stop
Stop with the
Expert things
If you didn't
If you didn't cry
At 3 o'clock in the morning
When you were 27
Because you'd got a maths exam
The next morning
You don't have the right
To go and
Tell people how to do that
I remember
Like literally crying
Tears on my own
In the dark
Because I got a maths exam
The next morning
It was too hard
It was just too hard
I just couldn't do it
And I've been doing this
For like 15 years
And I can't do it
I've just failed miserably
And then got into
University the next morning
And we
Our blog
They put us
With the art students
And you can imagine
Like an oil and water mix
Of mathematics students
And art students
And we got
For the vast majority
Of the year
We got on really well
But exam times
Were like
Do you know what I mean
This was like
We were like
I don't know
Like pressure cookers
We were ready to burst
With the pressure
And then
And I remember
Sitting there
And I was saying
And I'm in the morning
Chatting to my mate
Going like
I'm just out
Right
There's no way
I'm going to make it
Through this year
And then the art students
Turned up
And one of them
Behind us
Was getting ready
And she'd glued
Pieces of silver foil
Yeah
To a piece of board
Yeah
And that was
That was what she was doing
And I just remember
Just thinking
What am I doing
What
Tell me how
Yeah
And she was like
She was described
How she spent a week
A week
Sticking the silver foil
On it
And you know
And you're just like
Totally crushed
God
I just don't believe this
So anyway
If you didn't do that
Don't go on social media
Talking like an expert
There you go
Because we'll just
Sigh at you
The ones that did
We just go
Oh dear
And we do judge
Yeah
We do judge
A lot
And especially
When people can't do maths
I judge them a lot
I don't
Do you know
My friend judges people
Like really badly
About their grammar
Right
You know spelling and grammar
Yeah yeah yeah
I think oh I don't care
Yeah
Yeah yeah
You just think
Oh I don't care
Yeah
But if you get maths wrong
I do really get upset
I'm like
Why
Why did you do that
Anyway
That's me being grumpy
About things
We didn't
We've talked about
Being grumpy
About backpacks
Yeah
We've done that
I didn't like backpacks
Last week
Lindsay said that she got upset
Because she was wearing a backpack
When she was listening to us
And I said that I didn't like backpacks
Did she take it after you
She go oh no
I don't know
But Lindsay
You're allowed to backpack
I think it's a certain amount of times a year
You can do three backpacks a year
Is that what it is
I think so
Is that like some kind of rule
Yeah yeah yeah
I just don't like
It's when
It's not having the backpack
It's like when you're on the tube
Like if I've got to go and work in London
I'm already really angry
Because I'm
It means I'm not really
I mean I've been dragged out of my house
Yeah
And I like doing that on my terms
Not being made to do it
And then you get there
And people got
You've just got somebody's backpack in your face
You're like what was that all about
You see I was very mindful of this
I was at a thing in Manchester for work
Earlier in the week
And I had a big backpack
Because I was staying away for a night
It wasn't like staying away
It was like a Duke of Edinburgh backpack
Yeah
It wasn't like staying away so long
That I needed a suitcase
Or something like that
Yeah that's really hard
Yeah so I had a bit
I've got a backpack that I've got
For my motorbike
When I go out on that
Yeah
And I use that one
But it's like
It's a bit bigger than a normal backpack
It's not quite Duke of Edinburgh backpack
Yeah
But it's like somewhere in the middle
Yeah
And I felt very very conscious
Of people going
Why is that
Why is it in my face
Why is he not put that
In the baggage storage area
And why is he bringing this
Into the room with him
I also had a laptop case as well
Oh wow
So it was like
There's two things
I could get away with one
Yeah you've got all the things
But because I had two
There was definitely some judgement
That was happening
Do you know the other thing
That I've decided I don't like
What's that
Is you know these massive Stanley cups
Why does everyone need
Five litres of water
Yeah I don't understand it
What is that all about
No I don't get it at all
I don't
I think I survived
Until I was 20
Before drinking water
What is in these cups
What is in
I think it's a status symbol
Oh
I think it is
I think one year
Someone had one on Love Island
Honestly I'm not joking
I think one year
Someone had one of those things
On Love Island
Yeah
And then they've just got
Progressively bigger
It's like
Of this particular style
Of Stanley Cup thing
Do you have
I bet
It's all girls isn't it
Yeah
Do boys have them
Or is it just a girl thing
I think it's just a girl
But no boys have them
Because it's the gym thing
Isn't it
It's like gym bros
Oh is it
Yeah
And they've got
They're like bulkier
Yeah
And you hold
You know like massive
Bottles of squash
Yeah
Where you have like a handle
That's inside the plastic
Yeah
Almost
Yeah
Yeah yeah
No I know exactly what you mean
That's what they're like
You can get bleach like that as well
Yeah yeah yeah exactly
They're like that
That's my favourite style
Of bleach bottle
If you're buying bleach
I always want one with that
I always want one with a nice handle
Yeah yeah yeah yeah
So what do the boys put in them
Like protein shakes
No no there's just water
Oh is it
Yeah yeah yeah
Yeah
And they definitely hold it
Like it's a thing
Like a state
I just
I just think that people
Will look back
Yeah
On this particular era
Yeah
And say
What was that
I don't like it at all
No
Don't like it
No
Terrorvision
Oh right yeah
I forgot about that
If you listen to this
Sorry
We've just had ten minutes
Of
Ten minutes
Half an hour of me
Whinging about the world
We are 40 minutes in
Which is pretty good
We are 40 minutes in
Pretty good for me
What are your favourite songs
Oh
On this record
Because I've got two
Very clear favourites
I like
American TV
Is one that I think
Is absolutely brilliant
And I like
New Policy 1 as well
Yeah
They're probably my
Two favourites
That's kind of
I'll sometimes
Skip to them
Oh okay
Which
A skippy skip
Yeah well you kind of
I don't know
Yeah
See mine were
Killing Time
Oh
And Desolation Town
In particular
Desolation Town
That's quite
Song
It's quite nice
Songy ones
I like the songy ones
Yeah
It's quite a nice
Like you think of
Terrorvision as being
This kind of big
Brash
Funny
Yeah
But actually
There's some really
Clever songwriting on here
And the hooks
Are
Yeah
There's some really
Like big
Big hooks I think
On this album
Well
I think as the albums
Go on
I think they learned
How to
Embolden them
Perseverance
And even Tequila
You know
I know that
That's kind of
A bit of fun
A bit later
But
That was a big hit
For a reason
And that's because
That guy can write
A top line
And that's the bit
I got from
From this whole record
Is like
This guy knows
How to write top lines
Yeah
No
Agreed
It's a very
It's a kind of
Upbeat
Fun
Yeah
Record
Some of the lyrics
Are not
Yeah
But you don't realise
That until
You know what I mean
You're kind of
Buied along by the album
A little bit
It's kind of one of those
That makes you feel a bit
A bit better
You know
It's an album you put on
If you're not having
A brilliant day
This is a record
That you like
Yeah
Gonna cheer me up
A little bit
It's a funny thing
Because it takes you
A lifetime to write a song
Because
You get a song
And it lasts three minutes
But it's taken you
However many years
It's
You've aged
In that
Lifetime
To get to that song
And you use
Subconsciously
Everything that you've
Picked up
On that journey
So
Even though
You might sit down
And think
Well I wrote that song
In two minutes
It's taken a lot
More than that
It's taken
The experience
That triggers
The
Sort of sentiment
Behind the song
It's taken years
Of listening to stuff
And picking out
The bits that you like
And I always think
That songs
Are something
That float around
Above everybody
And every so often
A song will tap you
On the shoulder
And if you look up
And listen
You'll hear that song
You don't really write it
It makes itself
Known to you
And if you go
And listen
And you open your ears
Or open your eyes
And listen to that song
Then it's your song
If you
If you don't listen
Or if you ignore it
It'll float on by
And someone else
Will get tapped
On the shoulder
By it
And then that song
You'll think
Oh that's good
But you think it's good
Because you kind of
Heard it before
But it was a song
That maybe tapped you
On the shoulder
And you just didn't
Take the opportunity
When it arose
So
It can be everything
From a band
That you hear playing
To
Two people talking
On a bus
In front of you
And it might be
Weeks later
That you just
Remember that line
I wrote a song
Took me two minutes
To write it
Sitting down
With the guitar
Because I read
A phrase on Facebook
And when I
When I read the phrase
Everything else
Became clear
I wrote the whole song
After it
Took me two minutes
And it's a three minute song
How does that work?
10pm
In a cold and lonely
Hotel room
I think of you
All the time
My car was broke
The same year
Hundreds died
My mum just cried
When I told her
So good to see you again
Take my hand
Take my hand and go
I'm going down
To desolation town
I'm going down
To desolation town
I'm going down to the end of the night
I'll call me down to the end of the night
I'm going down to the end of the night
I'm going down to the night
Broke my bones
I'm going down to the end of the night
I'm going down to the night
I'm going down to the end of the night
I'm going down to the night
Take my hand and go
I'm going down to the end of the night
To desolation town
I'm going down to desolation town
Another thing about Terror Vision
that I didn't realise
is quite how Yorkshire they are
Bradford, is it Bradford?
Yeah, there's like
I don't know
if you have a dial of Yorkshire
they're right up there in the 9 or the 10
you know, they're well
and I like it how
you hear the accent in the singing
Yeah
You really can
not in every song
but in some songs
you know, it's really inflected with the accent
There are a few bands like that
aren't there?
Biffy Cairo
where you can hear the accent
whereas others like
The Almighty
it doesn't come
even in the slower songs
his accent
Ricky Warwick's accent
doesn't really come across
it does in this
you're right
you can kind of hear it
you can hear the Bradford
in it
and there's something
I don't know
there's just something
again, all authentic
Yeah, it really is
and quite cool
and quite cool about it
I think
But the other thing is
it sounds like they're mates
Yeah
That sounds so strange
but you know
like certain bands
where he lives like
when we listen to Pink Floyd
Yeah
I don't know about you
but I can hear that
they're not getting on
Yeah
They're not together
they're all doing their own thing
really well
but it's not really
all together
It's kind of layers
over the top
But with this
you can sort of feel
that they're all
in that same space
in the studio
doing this thing together
There is
there is that
yeah
there is definitely
that vibe to it
We're all good mates
and to be together
in a very closed environment
for that many years
you have different mates
at different times
different best mates
at different times
I suppose
I hung out with
Mark the guitarist
the most
so I'd say
we're probably
my best mate
but I get on with
all of them
they're all my best mates
it's good
and I suppose
at times
you're the worst enemies
as well
because you can't
get away from each other
because you're on the tour bus
and it's a very small space
I think it's interesting
where there are some albums
that you can kind of hear
I don't think this is
in a positive or negative way
I think you can get
really great records
where the band don't get on
and you can get
really terrible records
where the band
will really get on
but I think it's interesting
like you said
that you can kind of feel it
and I guess it depends
on the type of music
and songs and stuff
but yeah
absolutely
the band just feel
like they
yeah
I mean
I guess normal band politics
right
they love each other
some days
and not others
yeah totally
yeah yeah yeah
should we do some facts
let's do some facts
I've got some interesting facts
on this one
I'm going to go
I should have had my notes ready
and I've not got my notes ready
so I'm going to start
with my notes
so I'm reading this
from our blog
on riffology.co
if you want to follow along
lovely little plug
the band
were not always called
formaldehyde
were not always called
terror vision
sorry
they had a name first
didn't they
yeah they did
they were called
the spoiled brats
and then they felt
that they needed
that that wasn't going
to work long term
for them
so then they came up
with terror vision
which is taken from
a movie about aliens
coming in your television
set
television is the name
of a
television is the name
of a
old
old film
it's about aliens
coming down through
your satellite tv
you can get special
protectors for your dish
to stop them
from the horse's mouth
there
from the horse's
mouth
got two release
dates
yes
3rd of may
1993
on emi
but the original
one was december
92
called the total
vegas limited
release
so when you're out
there at your car
boots and you're
looking at things
if you see this one
it's got a different
cover
and it's got a
little booklet
inside as well
so were they
terror vision at that
point
yeah
no there was still
still terror vision
but yeah
it was released
on the total
vegas label
as well
on that first
total vegas
album there were
14 tracks
and emi cut it
down to 12
emi
a man in a suit
made that decision
recorded at the chapel
in lincolnshire
i don't think we've
talked about that much
i don't know much
about it
produced by pat grogan
who we've also talked
about i don't know
much about pat grogan
i don't know enough
to to know what
else he did and i
couldn't find much
about him so um
yeah interesting um
some interesting quotes
from the band the
bassist lee mark
loot said when we
were recording
formaldehyde there
was no plan b
it's either this or
nothing
wow
which i think is
naivety confidence
or whatever you want
to call it but um
but you're giving it
your all aren't you
yeah yeah yeah
you are totally
committed
yeah exactly yeah
it's not it's not a
hobby uh you are
absolutely doing it
um uh the band
from bradford
um originally called
the spoiled brats
uh influences by
stuff like faith
no more red hot
chili peppers
um the uh the band
had kind of built
like a local got quite
a big local following
um and you know
it was kind of uh
yeah uh started to
grow based on that
you know that i think
they're like their
pub these songs work
really well in pubs
yeah where people
kind of sing along
and and and have a
have a have a big
giggle with them and
i think they built up
quite a big uh big
following from there
before emi um uh emi
noticed them um band
members that uh they
had some guesting on
this album as well but
you had like tony
right uh vocals and
wrote uh pretty much
all the lyrics i think
mark yates was uh
guitars uh lee marclue
uh was bass and then
uh david shuttoweth on
drums and then gavin
wright was the violin
uh on killing time and
hole for a soul um and
nick roberts does the
harmonica on uh
desolation town
absolutely love that
harmonica it's good
yeah i love it i love
the sound of that that
sort of slightly
crunchy dirty harmonica
kind of wouldn't have
expected it in a
terravision album no but
i think it works really
well i think it's very
very cool um i can't
play harmonica okay
why no you can play
everything no i i just
kind of as vision if
somebody walked in here
with like some kind of
weird aboriginal string
you'd just be able to
pick it up and go yeah
i'll play it i can't play
anything that you blow or
bow oh that's my rule
anything that you blow a
bow rubbish that's
interesting that is i'd be
interested to see whether i
can do uh bagpipes and um
because although you blow
into that you you're not
blown that's not what's
making the sound you just
what's your favorite
song with bagpipes on
it i like cut that
corn one oh yeah oh
what's the acd one acdc
oh yeah yeah i can't
remember now oh my
brain's gone yeah he did
that download he brought
out he's like the old
uh bagpipes corn man
jonathan davis he always
does doesn't he yeah he
likes it i've asked
chat gpt i've literally
just said acdc song with
bagpipes it's a long way
to the top oh it's in
yeah cool that's my
favorite uh song with
bagpipes um i've forgotten
where i got to where did i
get to uh harmonica
different different band
members oh yeah yeah yeah
got it yeah yeah yeah got
it um and so and uh in the
bit of this part of my notes
the we're talking about the
original um vinyl pressing so
there's only 500 of those um
uh the artwork was by the
photography um david obadiah
um and that's a made of name
it is isn't it it's not a real
name no no no his mom and dad
never said oh we'll call him
we'll call him david
um anyway uh they uh yeah so
that that uh that's there there's
a quote in there who i wanted to
go to this part um owen obadiah
that's a nice name owen obadiah
it just rolls off owen yeah
owen it'd have to be welsh
owen everybody everybody who's
called owen yes is welsh
yeah yeah yeah i like that yeah
sorry i interrupted you um oh
yeah so there's a lovely quote
here it said uh we decided we
wanted to put this 24 page
photo book into it because no one
buys records for the music
anymore wow 1993 1993 isn't that
interesting yeah really really
interesting that uh i guess steady
decline almost in this uh perception
of the value of uh the music of
music itself yeah um the the band
were incredibly hands-on with the
music they get credited for
production and stuff in there but um
they didn't just turn up and play
and go away yeah they were kind of
incredibly hands-on with um uh you
with with the creation of of the
stuff um there's another
interesting thing here as well it
was mastered using something called
direct metal mastering okay now i had
to look this up so normally when you
master it's like an aluminium disc and
then there's lacquer on the top yeah
and then you you kind of uh it's like
etched into the top of that yeah and
then it's kind of hardened and then
the actual master discs are made from
there that are used to stamp out the
the vinyl the vinyl yeah yeah uh
direct metal mastering is like this
kind of copper covered disc that it's
actually uh cut into it's kind of
group get cut into and it's a lot
harder and you don't get this uh
distortion from that entry stamped um
so it's better yeah uh but people
uh back in the day didn't like it
because they said it sounded too
clinical wow and they like the
harmonic distortion which is the same
thing people argued about for cd so cd
sounded too clinical because it's not
got the same why people still like
valve guitar amps and all the all that
stuff yeah it's like the sound of that
warmth and the distortion yeah yeah
weird isn't it but i know i i thought
that was an interesting tidbit um there's
an interesting device um when we were
doing circularity and we were in nick
nick bryan we were we were going
through the like the mix so when you do
a mix you obviously mix all the
different instruments together yeah and
then you'd bus it so you'd normally
have groups of like say drum group
vocal group guitar group whatever and
then at the end of that you'd have a
mix bus yeah this is your kind of like
stereo audio left and right being able
to pan and and all those yeah yeah and
on that you tend to have something on
your chain something some kind of
processing going on on that and what
nick had the the i think someone like
loaned him or lent him it for a bit
it was something called a a thermionic
culture vulture i've heard of these yeah
yeah um and it's an amazing piece of
analog gear yeah you put things through
and it applies a particular kind of
distortion distortion in a particular way
the analog yeah queens of the stone age
yeah uh were a big fan of of putting
lots of things through that to get this
kind of particular sound and he had one
and we did the thing where we you know
we closed our eyes and he sort of say
you know which do you prefer i've only
done it subtly it's not like loads but
yeah which version of this kind of sound
do you prefer yeah and he obviously had
it as a real piece of hardware it wasn't
plugging it was a real real thing and
everyone's closed their eyes and went
yeah it's got to have it with it it's
got to have it with it so so the final
how interesting is that before it went to
mastering yeah yeah this um of this
record circularity that we did has um
because that thermionic culture vulture i
always think this is really if you listen
to audiophiles talk they always talk
about you know the purity
um without realizing that there's no
such concept of purity if you listened
to how it sounded in the studio you
wouldn't like it no it doesn't sound
good no you're not you're not um you
know that's not what you're doing your
expensive hi-fi is doing um and it totally
makes sense to me that there are certain
frequencies that we prefer and we like
in certain frequencies that we that we
don't like no no um and harmonics and
things like that and so yeah i totally
i totally get that i think you know the
the the digital chain from end to end
is you know clinically precise and
exactly what was recorded yeah but the
reality is that's not what you actually
want to hear no you know and and you
can see that like if you look at live
music for example yeah there's so many
this matter if you look if you look
carefully the next time you're a live
gig you'll see racks and racks of
hardware yeah yeah and and there'll be a
sound engineer somewhere and it's all
being processed yes it's either going
through analog stuff it's going through
digital yeah and do dsp it isn't super
clever tech around now it is but it's
not what it's not what's coming out of
the instrument no no no it's something
that and it's made to make it more
pleasing to your to your ears so um yeah
don't buy into the the nonsense i'd love
to see what um billy joe armfrung's vocal
chain is like okay because he just see us
through the mix but yeah but we had a
particular yeah yeah frequency range and
dynamic you know in a it's really
interesting it's kind of like it doesn't
sit where you'd expect a vocal to sit
okay you know it is it's interesting to
listen to there's a there's an album i
want to do next which we'll talk about in a
bit yeah um and there's a fantastic story
where it was recorded twice yeah and the
second time they brought their live sound
yeah guy into the studio and he produced
it yeah because they wanted it to sound
like the live thing yeah and i just think
that's it was really fascinating to me the
first version went into a studio and just
sounded really flat it was sounding it was
very pure but you know everything was done
layer after layer after layer like i guess
like a pink floyd record would get done
but this was a rock and roll band and they it
didn't work so then they the record
company to fund it again yeah this is a
debut album yeah if anyone knows what i'm
talking about by the way this is it was a
debut album um no one had heard of them
yeah and the record company was so
convinced they were going to be mega
stars they completely re-recorded the
album again um but this time with the
sound guy and that's the one we heard
we'll talk about that in a bit because i
think there's a lot of it there's some
cool stories for that album yeah um well
god where did i get it oh yeah so the
albums formaldehyde was um 93
uh recorded by uh produced by pat grogan
um and then we had how to make friends
and influence people which was uh gill
norton regular urban survivors by gill
norton um and then we had a bunch of
stuff where you could yeah so shaving
peaches in 98 uh good to go super deluxe
and we are not robots in 24 prolific
weren't they yeah big records or self
produced um uh didn't get any awards
from aldehyde no so it didn't get any
awards at all um uh the single my house
yeah uh became a top 30 hit in the uk
charts but it was the only one really
that that charted yeah um other stuff
released in 93 what do you think i don't
know loads of big american grinch stuff
yeah in utero nirvana siamese dream
honey versus from pearl jam yeah um automatic
for the people that's such a good record
get a grip by aerosmith we should do rem we
should definitely do i'd love to do that
yeah and there's a love
somebody somebody was sharing a meme this
week we've got president trump yeah and
rem saying can you tell it is this president
trump singing or or and they sound the same
they sound like so similar and i'm like no
way so that's it that president trump uh used
to sing for rem um get a grip by aerosmith as
well um and zuropa by u2 i'd gone i i can't
i like the first couple of u2 albums yeah yeah i
like um i like the one with van diemen's land on
whichever one that one was gone off by this
point um yeah so lots of big heavy i mean
lots of big big thick stuff so you kind of
think you're fighting against all of that
stuff it's i don't know it's no wonder
really yeah yeah yeah we've talked about
that um yeah in in the past um lots of short
songs yeah yeah which is good we talked
about that i like the short songs um i mean
you could squash the whole album into one
song couldn't you yes for this which would
be good 45 minutes long um touring the big
big tour for them was with motors motorhead
television movement they went on tour with
motorhead that was bananas lee markley said
it was chaos
just can't imagine i just cannot even imagine
that if somebody somewhere was a tour manager
for that
can you imagine that yeah yeah yeah it'd be
like some 25 year old yeah and and the
label or you know live nation or somebody
will go yeah do you know can you go and do
this oh motorhead that and then terror and
they're all right and then three weeks into
the tour they're like quitting and needing
counselling and stuff but that is again if
you survived that you could do anything
yeah that would be absolutely bonkers i think
there'd be an exam in that one though
yeah it's kind of like the it's like the
practical you know observation you've done the
theory you've done the theory of school and
college and now the practical is you've got
to do this with motorhead
mad absolutely mad that is um five things
about it we've already covered all of them
yeah so it's limited original release
um the uh hidden bonus material that first
pressing included this 24 page photo book
called the tv guide which is pretty cool
i've never seen it um but uh i've seen
pictures of it um had guest musicians on there
so i had gavin right that one made it 500
quid do you think oh that's interesting no i
think because it's so rare okay but 500
copies of it um you have an album like that
it's just it's just pretty rare um album was
mastered using direct metal mastering which is
pretty rare german thing um and the mixing
was done by gill norton he went on to do or did
work with the pixies and and a bunch of
others that we've talked about um no media
and tv usage that i can find they did have
like tequila's used all over the place
yeah but nothing from from this album
um generally speaking the critics really
liked it um there's some weird descriptions
of it all music said upbeat pop fused with
rock funk and thrash there's no thrash
not even close to thrash in this it's kind
of it's a hard rock in there a little bit
of like new wave of british heavy metal in
there but it's it's mostly kind of like pop
hooks and rock it's it's uh yeah it's super
cool i think um uh encyclopedia of popular
music said it was a strong debut from one of
britain's most promising rock bands
yeah so yeah there was it was well received
then
yeah i thought it was really interesting uh
that kind of stuff and that's the end of the
facts for uh for this album i will say
you know it was difficult to find facts about
this record there's not that much their
wikipedia page is pretty bleak yeah um and
yeah there's not much about it no no as
with last week it's hard to find interviews
you know some of these bands where we've
done them in the past there've been loads
of interviews we can choose from from that
era yeah yeah but these ones i think
they're not quite they it feels like the
these last to this one and and and last
week uh polythene they feel very local yeah
do you know what i mean it feels like
they're albums that you kind of like i
wouldn't expect somebody from the u.s to
have ever heard of terror vision no yeah you
know and um yeah it's like there are some
uh bands like bush you think everybody
everybody on the planet knows who yeah
yeah uh you know everyone on the planet
knows who pink floyd are um but like this
one i kind of think if you like it was almost
like the the epicenter's bradford yes and
every mile you go away from bradford fewer
people have heard of yeah you know i mean
that's kind of where where i kind of how i
feel about this is is that it's um uh it's
quite a it made a big impact here on us
yeah but the broader you go the the less
impactful yeah or the less people have heard
of it i think yeah yeah yeah i certainly but
you know i think by the time they got to
tequila it was a lot broader but this record
particularly i think um probably was um you
know around here well heard of and well
known yeah but probably less i mean probably
down in london i don't even know whether you
know i mean i guess the further well i just
recall i mean but it was after this but but
they were kind of the darlings of things
like tfi friday yeah the big breakfast and
that kind of channel 4 culture these guys
were really a part of that i felt we're
talking about in one of the interviews you
had there was a uh uh the presenter was
talking to him and i swear that was cat
deely and it's made me think where is cat
deely yeah where's she gone she was
everywhere wasn't she yeah she was dead
good and then she just disappeared gone
yeah yeah i don't know aliens there she's
under the pyramids she didn't have her uh
she didn't have her teravision dish did
she no no have you seen have you seen
that there's the uh the um but the the
x-ray thing they did under the pyramids
no have you not seen that i love all this
stuff i know i i knew because we talked
about pyramids before and um uh so
somebody's done it's like they like
bang they're like bang is it lidar lidar
no no it's not like oh it's like a
vibrationy thing okay so they're like
they do a vibration thing and then they
look to see how the ground vibrates yeah
and then they can you can see the
structure it's like a geological thing
and it shows the it shows these bonkers
um like like pillars underneath really
the pyramids yeah i'm well into that i
know you honestly check it out you'll
love it but that's where cat dealie is
she'll come out imprisoned in the
stargate yeah sure in the stargate yeah
it wasn't that a great film i used to
watch that loop
i like the series stargate i didn't
catch it i watched a couple but yeah
yeah there was a few of them wasn't
there there was such a good time for
that it was when the sequest dsv it was
when the amiga got powerful enough to do
all the um do you know you know you know
you know i mean all the cgi stuff and
you had like uh uh ds9 and stargate and
all that in amiga yeah they were nearly
all done on amiga really yeah yeah tons of
them were done on amiga on like uh whatever
it wouldn't have been the 1200 no one
with the two it would have been the ones
up from the 1200 really but yeah loads of
them were done on that i can't remember
what the there was a bit of software that
was 500 plus i did with an external
disk drive and deluxe paint i've still
got i've still got a 500 i've got a i've
got a cartoon classics pack oh my god
well you can remember from being a kid
team 17 yeah team 17 yeah well i've in my
loft i've got these big black boxes full
of like silica you know uh packs and
stuff in there and they're full of old
computers like really yeah zx8 is that
my first zx80 i've got a kit zx80 that's
not been built um yeah i should change
what we should just do a computer museum
here loads of zx spectrums uh uh a 48 um a
128 with the stupid keys yeah yeah we
have one of those old wooden ataris
right the 2600 yeah yeah they were
fantastic with a little cartridge you
just blow it yeah yeah and then i hope
it would work and i had a nest and i don't
know where i don't know where they've
gone i've got a dreamworks in uh oh not
dream dreamcast yeah and then other other
stuff is in there as well so uh there's
acorn electrons uh bbc model b's and uh
yeah so i've just i as i found them over
the years they get the thing is now they're
really expensive yeah but there was a
period like 15 years ago yeah yeah that
people were just giving them away yeah of
course so i just want to get out of it yeah
give you two quid or whatever museum
yeah should have a computing museum all
computers loads and loads of that um i keep
wanting the kids to get excited about it
so i show them retro games yeah they're
like no it's rubbish it's a potato
graphics
yeah it wasn't about the graphics yeah
yeah this is jet set willy yeah yeah
yeah rubbish rubbish how many it's only
got 20 levels so yeah but you can't do
level one
yeah
you're going to be here all day aren't
you
rubbish don't like it manic miner that was
why
why it's my control i can't get my
controller to worry there
she's the keys
dickheads
modern kids are so spoiled aren't
they yeah yeah yeah it's all done for
them
so spoiled so spoiled i i saw a
brilliant uh thing this week that
someone had done
ai this ai is getting so good isn't it
yeah and it was about gen i'm going
to get the gen wrong here but like gen
alpha or the gen z z gen z uh which
would i don't know how old they would
be
now um but it was about if world war
three happened right now yeah um
they'd have a dance battle
or they'd have a meme battle
yeah yeah that's how you win the war
that's how you win the war you're not
you're not going to do we're not going
to do fighting what we're going to do
is he's most creative at memes i just
thought it was very funny and it made
me laugh
right what we're going to do next let's
put a song on
yep and then i think i already know
what we'll do next
maybe because i know which one i want
to do yeah but i know that you've got
a big bigger connection to the one
that came after it okay so i think
we're gonna have to flip something to
like a pair of headphones there was the
keys last time wasn't it it was that
was brilliant podcasting wasn't it so
we'll have to flip something and then
um okay i don't know what is that on
that was that stapler thing up there
uh that is a pick carver you put your
card in it and you can cut a pick out
of it spectrum out of what a card
anything card what credit card put a
credit card in it what's it meant for
though that exactly that what just
taking random people's credit cards
and making a pick from it yeah
well how many times do you have to be
in that situation where you need to
make a pick from a credit card to need
one of those
we never know do you you never know
how many times have you made a pick
from it i've never done it
whose is it i don't know
and the man who came to dinner said i
wasn't stopping long i brought a
present trapped in misery and a
bottle of sad songs
he still said come on in
make a safe battle one
would you like a dream
let me take your call hold
i stand well back in the corner with a sneer on my face i've got the weight of the world on my shoulders ready to fall on this place
he still said come on in
make yourself at home
would you like a dream
let me take your call hold
and i fuck like one of the family
and i can be whoever i don't wanna be
i said i fuck like one of the family
i can be whoever i don't wanna be
i said i fuck like one of the family
i can be whoever i don't wanna be
i said i fuck like one of the family
i can be whoever i don't wanna be
i said i fuck like one of the family
i can be whoever i don't wanna be
i said i fuck like one of the family
i can be whoever i don't wanna be
i said i fuck like one of the family
i can be whoever i don't wanna be
i said i fuck like one of the family
i can be whoever i don't wanna be
i said come on in
make yourself at home
would you like a drink
let me take your coat
you said come on in
make yourself at home
would you like a drink
let me take your coat
you said come on in
make yourself at home
would you like a drink
let me take your coat
come on in
so when i was about
eight
my mum bought an organ
and it was quite expensive
and so i had to go
for organ lessons
probably to make up for the fact
she'd bought this expensive organ
that she wanted to play
but she couldn't justify it
so the kids had to learn it
but i hated it
so i learnt how to play
a couple of scales on it
and then my organ teacher
realised i didn't want to play this thing
so when i went for lessons
he'd check i knew my scales
and then he used to play like jazz
and i used to sit there and listen to it
eating sweets
and then i got found out
and i was told i couldn't go to organ lessons anymore
and in the car on my way home
crying like you do
i'm sorry
um
i went
i didn't want to play organ
i wanted to play guitar
and i got told i couldn't play guitar
and i suppose that was the thing
that was like being told
you can't have something
made me want something more
so i'll have been about eight
but i didn't get a guitar till i was 16
it was the first thing i bought
in my first ever wage
yeah i did this thing earlier
where i was as we were going through
i was thinking i wonder if we're going to do
like a short one
yeah
you know like we're about 40 minutes
like yeah we're probably about to wrap this up soon
nope
to be fair
i think we could do a show about like a packet of crisps
and it'll be an hour and a half
it'll still be 90 minutes long
and we'd still be waffling and gassing about it
and like not know what we were doing
so there we go
i did we we fed in the transcripts of the shows
into chat gpt
and so we were like you know
help us figure out what to do next
what kind of album should we look at
and you know help us get
what what is what what is the show identity
what kind of how you know how
how should we market ourselves
and and it came up with this accidental
it was chaos and accidental insight
and i thought that totally sums it up
yeah yeah it is
yeah
um so anyway i thought we could do a bigger
we've done lots of um
uh these smaller records and records that
people haven't probably heard of
yeah
and i thought we'd do oasis next
and then we'll
we have to because it is
it's about oasis o'clock isn't it
because they're doing
they're gonna do their thing
and i've i've been listening to lots of
interviews with noel lately
and liam
and i don't know liam is just
you totally go to the pub with liam
wouldn't you
i mean and he's he's just
just does dead good fun
and he made me a cup of tea once
yes
and so that's lovely
yeah um
uh but there's lots of stories about
making of these records
there's lots of interviews about them
so but i thought like my i really like definitely maybe yeah yeah and then kind of each record that came after that i kind of liked like 50% less yes you know what i mean i don't like that very much and so they lost a bit of that authenticity to me so that i like definitely maybe um but i know you've done stuff in the same studio that what's the story morning glory what's the story morning glory sold more copies yeah um so it's kind of the bigger of the two but i think it's time for the story morning glory sold more copies yeah
um so it's kind of the bigger of the two but i think it's time we did a big record and then i think after that we could do um uh one of the blur records yeah great yeah great great and then i forgot an idea oh god why don't we do both there's one episode both there's one episode yeah so we do we do live oh my god forever album uh definitely maybe oh my god and then we also do what's the story is like what is like a is like a big oasis one a big oasis special and then we do a big blur one what was it what would
they they're two big records well because they had a part life which is a big one then um number two what's it called oh i don't know well that was 13 that was our 13's a mega album right but there were but you see these two were like the same era like definitely maybe in live yeah yeah yeah you want to call it live forever definitely maybe in what's the story i don't want to live and then the other one is um blur i think there's a bit of time between those two right oh okay well no let's figure it out then let's let's well let's do that we don't need to toss anything do we don't need to do any of that
no i've even got the keys ready in my hand yeah he's got his keys ready well they're the keys to the studio yeah yeah so if the writing was up yeah that was one thing if the writing was down the other but i wasn't paying attention
all right last time well let's do that then let's do let's do um yeah so we'll do next week we'll do yeah i don't want to spend too long on it
i kind of want do you know i've been listening to this week i've been listening to napalm death and carcass yes and um yeah it's like if you had that on a scale
of like that and oasis they're not the same they're not the same scale and and there's a but there was a
ton of british cool british bands yeah that were doing um i don't like cathedral yeah there was a ton
of like really heavy stuff you know what we should do actually come to think of it yes we should do the
oasis one yeah and then do a sabbath one because because of the sabbath thing yeah yeah yeah yeah what album
would you do volume four master reality i don't know because i'd like the one with war pigs on it
what's the first one yeah yeah i i have to admit i like all of that first that those first four black
sabbath records yeah they're just phenomenal yeah i mean they're they're records that you just can't
i don't know like most albums you think oh yeah there are bits that you could take or leave yeah
those four records i just think are phenomenal yeah um especially against the backdrop of where they were
yeah and what else was happening at the time um yeah that would be brilliant so we'll do it let's do oasis
yeah belur and then black sabbath yeah um and then but i don't know let's see what we'll probably do at
the end of that is figure out what we do because i was gonna say because we're getting into the point
of planning now and i'm not sure it won't last will it but i think we've done as a high level plan
i think we should kind of go back and do some more us stuff yeah yeah because we've been yeah we've been
very uk centric for a long time which is great yeah um but i would love to go there's a whole bunch
of us records i would love to do that we just haven't haven't done yet you know i mean we talked
about doing a bunch of the green day and the pop punk stuff um then there was the kind of the i guess
where like thrash went like it ends up going into this kind of um like big thick hard rock stuff where
you got load and reload and risk and all of that stuff um kind of radio friendly us rock stuff um
yeah there's loads of cool things there's a few albums that are just so the whole premise of the
show was the albums have got to be 25 years old yeah um but there's some now we're kind of into like
2001 yeah so that's why i like time because as time goes forward that means that we unlock more
albums i love time time is brilliant yeah um do you know i don't know uh uh that that thing where
the older you get time passes you type you perceive last week i'd lost my mind last week i didn't know
what like i had no idea like last night because we were gonna do this last night it's now saturday
it's your birthday it is it was your birthday eve yesterday it was and we were planning on doing
it last night we were yeah and i messaged you and went no yeah i was like i'm really i've hit a wall
and i'm not doing anything i think that the beauty of having your own show is you can do what you want
yeah and i think that's what's worked well for us hasn't it not being told what to do and not being
i don't know yeah we could do anything we could do and i'm i don't know you're the same a little bit
i don't know that if somebody said oh you should cover this because it will make you really popular
i'd look at the opposite yeah go and do it just to annoy people yeah yeah because we've that's the
way we roll yeah yeah and you're with us yes so well didn't you and if you get this far yeah it's just
kendall and um by this point probably um so thanks for staying with us and uh we'll see you next week
oh thank you bye oh thank you bye bye driver