mythology i'm getting used to these now good they're singing and that and if i'm doing them
right they're kind of a little bit in key a little bit in key yeah is that what your music teacher
would say that was a little bit in key yeah yeah that's very good yeah might be slightly wibbly
slightly wobbly but we're okay we're nearly there wibbly wobbly that was steal your fire by gun gun
i love this album we are doing the gun album gallus gallus you are neil i am chris this is
riffology this is our 50th birthday it is this is our 50th birthday this is our 50th riffology
which is a lot isn't it that's i mean you know we're not we're not known for our consistency
i think we are known for our consistency now i think i think maybe out other than this yeah
other than this no consistency yeah just this yeah and i think we only come because we have fruit
pastels and coke thank you lindsay lindsay gave us fruit pastels what tell lindsay what happened to
the fruit pastels so i was at a gig last night at rock city today's saturday we're doing a saturday
recording and last night we were gigging at rock city um and lindsay came all the way from scotland
again uh and brought like listens to the podcast and understands the um the ritual around fruit
pastels and coke zero um and um gifted us with a bag of fruit pastels which lasted approximately 15
minutes uh because i was going to save them for today and bring them today for us to have as as part of a
thank you you know to to lindsay uh but instead what i did what i did was i took them to the merch desk
which is where my wife and children were doing the merch for the gig and um they thought that i brought
them over for a gift as a thank you for them to do the merch
so they ate them inhaled them yeah they do it my i i have a 10 year old and a 14 year old
and my 10 year old eats everything like a little fly he's like so you'd like give him a bag of like
fruit pastel yeah he'd still be eating it three months later like do you know what i mean like
my 14 year old yeah you could give him a cow yeah and then you could dude where's the cow oh i ate it
sorry uh sorry it just inhales it doesn't chew yeah yeah yeah no chewing just
and we'll sit down to eat dinner there'll be four plates four plates of food yeah and he'll come sit
down and i'll look at my plate and i'll look up and his is empty wow and he goes you're in a pudding
growing lad that's what that is he is he's very much a growing lad being inhales food and so we've
had to go and buy anyway we've had long story short we've had to go and buy a standing packet of lindsay's
fruit pastels yes which we've got now we we were going to lie and say that we're actually in the
fruit pastels from last night but that's that's you know we've got it we've got to tell the truth
haven't we really it's not it's not as good a story either so i like i like that and also because
we're on audio no one can see so we could be actually lying anyway you might not have any
pastels what a thing to lie about lying i'm having free pastels my boss used to say the truth shall
set you free neil oh really is that what it is yeah it's a lot so you have is that because usually
usually after i'd broken something or i'd confide in saying i've done this thing
well the you know that thing i said was going to be great i don't it's not i don't think it's
going to be great and it would be that the truth shall set you free
anyway we're doing gun yeah gun are from scotland yeah we did a poll and we followed the results of
the poll we did yeah i was going to do this one anyway so i'm really glad that regardless of where
the poll was going to go it's going to be this one
they are one of my absolute favorite bands and i it was when i did the poll i was thinking i don't
i don't know what it is about gun that made me like just fall in love with them but i do now
yeah yeah and it was it was 90 this album came out in 92 31st march 1992
um and that made me 18 yeah yeah yeah and so i was uh trundling around the country looking at
universities and i remember going to um oh god it wasn't i did i went to hull we talked about going to
hull university so i actually went back to hull and set it on fire with a soldier and iron
years oh yes later yeah yeah that was a good story preston i swear i was at preston university
and i'd gone to an open date there and so north you like you wanted to go north i don't know you
wanted to go up yeah i don't know what i don't know because i went to sheffield i went to sheffield
university and i went to preston university because that's a bit north as well they're all northern
aren't they yeah i did i do know it's not it's only just occurred to me that i didn't all of the
universities i went to look at were northern yeah i don't know why that is yeah um anyway i went i
remember going to i think they get cleverer as you go up that could be true yeah it could be true it's
definitely true yeah so and i went up to preston and um i'd got this album okay i listened to it in
the car all the way there and all the way back and there is something that i wanted to talk about
because um it again didn't really occur to me at the time and probably didn't occur to me for a long
time but i absolutely fell in love with this album there's a track called steal your fire the single
and the single is what i heard on the radio which made me go and buy it yeah yeah yeah um but there's
this lovely bit here where it just says and i was really kind of um i'm not really sure whether i want
to go to university no one in my family had been to university nobody i knew had been to university
yeah all of my friends were working in in factories or they'd gone to work they're so similar yeah
they're working like locally and i was just like i don't know whether i'm going to fit in i don't
know this is this is me kind of thing i remember it was to the point where because i went to college
yeah like i became like a butt of a joke like i don't know what that was i don't know yeah because
everyone went just to get just left school and got jobs all of yeah all of my mates had got like
like astra gtis yeah yeah or gte if you were dead rich yeah they've got some really flash cars at
this point um and i was like uh i'd got i was literally cycling everywhere so i've got no money
and uh and anyway that my lecturers were saying you should go to university you know you you're good at
this you should don't go and do it and i wasn't sure and the lyrics to this song there's a bit in
there where it says why don't you do it why don't you go and then there's a bit where it says can't
let this chance pass me by i can see it for the first time wow and it was folks you're quite
literally yeah i don't think i realized at the time but i just i mean i probably had this this would
have been on cd i think in my car um and i would have been yeah i mean it would take me preston's
miles away yeah i remember it being a warm warm sunny day um and just just like driving forever and
listening to this like way too loud um and then uh yeah i mean it's one of those things where
you know this this record has kind of always been with me it's kind of always been it's part of that
time in my life that was a change it was change it was a time of change and i was it was me and i was
completely on my own yeah um and i actually ended up at university in derby which is like i could throw
a stone to it from where it's still up though yeah very slightly slightly up yeah so it's still
northern uh still more intelligent than uh where i was when i started um but yeah it was weird like it
was this is one of those albums that was just with me yeah yeah like throughout and the one that came
before it as well so they did taking on the world which is like that debut right i just love that record
again it's one we talked about debuts in the past but there's more they said more i'm saying said
more i i think they they had more to say yeah yeah um on that record this one i think is their best
record i think this one the songwriting i think the riffs the melody i think the lyrics i think this is
just like absolutely phenomenal and then they did swagger afterwards which had got that's the one with
word up on it yeah that's the kind of really big yeah but that one's got i think the production's
better on there but i think the songs are better on yeah on here so i'm super pleased that everybody
picked gallus um because it means a lot to me you know i had never traveled to europe i'd never seen
the different cultures you know in america and different parts of you know different countries and
things and so i think this album is more a kind of international appeal you know there's tracks on a record
like higher ground you know are welcome to the real world which is uh is more of a kind of international
appeal to i mean people from europe have the same feelings of ambition you know or um you know things
like that and you don't have to come from glasgow to sort of feel those natural things i really like gun
you've just found some new new information that links us nicely between this week and last week's
show i did i was looking for something else i was looking for um like uh vocalist changes and members
of the band and stuff because they like the first few albums were pretty solid and then then things
changed up a bit lineup changed and stuff and as i was skimming through past members there were a few
people that i noticed um one of them was mark kerr now mark kerr uh if i'm looking i've lost a bit in
my notes um um oh i was gonna say he was from texas but that was stuart kerr okay stuart kerr's in
there as well honestly honestly mark kerr and stuart kerr anyway um it's in the band texas yeah okay
right not the country i did when you first said i thought your state your state yeah yeah not country
yeah um anyway um i spotted my man toby jepson there he is and i was like no way is that toby jepson no
way is that uh toby and uh in 2008 he did a load of touring with them so he did a guest appearance
with them at a charity gig in glasgow i was gonna say that came up on last week's podcast
this this sort of support in them but and then he uh contributed to the gun ep pop killer and then
they did a tour extensively after that and then he left in 2010 to focus on uh solo stuff yeah and then
wayward sons and ah right and the solo stuff was where the fm thing came in as well wasn't it
yeah he did a lot of stuff with a toby went uh yeah because i think little angels toured with fm
yeah um and then i think they were they they've been uh really good strong supporters of toby over
the years so yeah i'm not very good at time you might have figured this out already
yeah you know like way time the time way time works yeah like chronology yeah not really my thing
it's just all mushy in it everything's now so wibbly wobbly timey wimey that's what the doctor
said yeah yeah wibbly wobbly timey wimey um i wanted to say that we've we've um crossed paths
with gun i don't know if you remember that milton yeah yeah you were do you remember that gig i was
there to shoot you guys yeah yeah with a camera and i went and took pictures of gun instead
because they were in the bar they were doing an acoustic set at the bar so i kind of snuck off and
yeah they blocked us in with their van oh yeah i remember yeah yeah yeah come on come on gun
we need to go home they were fantastic you guys were quite good as well but they were mega they were
it was just them in like this um it was crawford arms yeah that's it the crawford arms yeah so we
were in the sort of venue we were in the big bit yeah and then they were in this like tiny little
back room yeah where they were just doing acoustic stuff um and yeah they were they were mega it was
ram and it was just full of sweaty men yeah it was it was baking hot wasn't it it was in august or
whatever it was baking hot that i always remember the crawford arms they've got that um a nintendo
guitar you know that um yeah they've got like a they had a snes made into it yeah yeah it's a weird
green room that was i liked it i like i like they're actually an actual room it was it wasn't like a
cupboard with it was like it was like being in someone's front room wasn't it yeah it was cool it
was like it was just like you normally they're pretty sad places yeah it's actually like quite cool
yeah um but anyway yeah they were they were good i um shot a gun with a camera uh at is a nuneaton
see when you say that it doesn't make sense to me nuneaton's not nuneaton's not a geeky kind
of place it's not so so nuneaton from us yeah it's sort of down a bit down and across down and
across if derby's up and across yeah nuneaton's down and across it's a sad place nuneaton i think
it's one of those places it's quite old-fashioned but not in like a pretty chocolate box no it's more
like a 1970s prefab yeah yeah yeah stoke yeah no one ever says anything good about stoke um i quite
like stoke but it's not it doesn't feel like it's not that is it is it's a bit like it's like big
it's like driving around the outside of a prison isn't it they um um who oh slash is from stoke
isn't it and robbie williams are from yeah yeah and neither of them have got anything good to say
about stoke so and i like that a lot i think that's funny i i was just thinking about stoke as like it's
just a road stoke is a road road where you're going up north yeah if you go into where where would
you go from from there manchester yeah if you're going to manchester airport liverpool um
it's yeah it's uh what's the university is leak leak leak yeah yeah no it's not leak is it leak
what's the there's a university at the end i don't know crew got a university crew has it's got a train
station yeah i don't know if it's got a universe i've never been to crew university yeah that yeah
that that part of the world for me is a bit gray the minute i'm not spending a lot of time there i was
once invited to give a talk at manchester university and got into a stand-up fight with a car park
attendant at the university did you punch him out properly do you know who i am
did you did you play it not quite almost like i'm like i'm like five i'm i've got five minutes to go
and do a big talk yeah yeah yeah and you're arguing with me about where to park in your car park that's
not got enough spaces so you make me a space and i'll move my car
and then and he was like i shall get the dean
go and get the dean go and get dean then see if i see what dean says see if i think he thought i was a
student i was like see if i care just see this is my bothered face i was in a proper stroppy mood
it was hot everyone looked very you know when everyone looks really young yeah yeah and it makes
you feel really old yeah that's bad that makes it loads worse i was like i'm in a bad mood wasn't
prepared obviously anyway but imagine it was a lovely place manchester university i drove through stoke
um there you go but anyway yeah so uh toby jepson on the uh ep pop killer the thing i like about gun
is that it feels like they're like they're all they're all on their a game yeah that's the whenever
whenever i hit anything the gun have put down i always just think these lads are on it like they're
they're not they're not they're not just winging this this is really like well well crafted with a
great confident energy energy to it there's like a um it feels purposeful it's full of like pop hooks
yeah it is but there's like this rock and roll swagger to it there's definitely that yeah it's
like this there's this kind of um attitude that i just love and it's this it's not an attitude like
guns and roses had a like an fu attitude yeah yeah yeah like gun have got a um you can't it's loads
tight this is loads tighter but this is like you can't tell me what to do actually you know i'm not
here to cause a problem with anybody i'm not i'm not here to set fire to things i'm not going to that
but you know i i'm i'm feeling empowered to go and do stuff yeah yeah and that's what gun always
because like the whole there's a whole thing around gun to do with boxing yeah yeah yeah well
that's what it's benny lynch on the cover yeah i don't even know that is i don't know anything about
boxing was a box like a 1930s and i don't know i don't know boxing very well and i but i did make
some notes and i can't oh uh because yeah because they they um yeah hang on i did i did make a note of
this somewhere uh so um benny lynch born 2nd of april 1913 died 6th of august 1946 he was a scottish
professional boxer widely regarded as one of the greatest flyweight flyweight fighters of all time
born in the gorbals working class district of glasgow uh he rose from poverty to poverty to become
scotland's first world boxing champion wow um so yeah he was he is still like revered in in scotland's
you know scottish yeah like a hero kind of thing yeah yeah yeah as as as an athlete from from scotland
but yeah um and the thing i was sort of gonna get out there was like there's this idea about because we
sometimes have it with with riding the load because paddy's a big boxing fan he is there's a lot about
training and yeah like everything's like getting in the ring and getting on it and i remember paddy doing
journeyman yeah do you remember yeah and then he like physically over that two years he changed from
but he was like absolutely like fit as you yeah he was absolutely ripped wasn't he just incredible
the training and stuff that he went through so i think there's a thing about that that that
i think gun have got this in their music as well this idea of like that that's that's a really like
lean rock and roll like like cut like like really tight kind of there's no frivolous stuff this is
it this is yeah yeah yeah little angels let's yeah they had the big bad horns and they were building
building on it in in a in a good way yeah yeah but like gun is yeah all the facts cut out
it's rock and roll it's yeah yeah but it's solid as a rock all of it is nowhere to hide i suppose no
no you've got no and all like the vocals are fantastic like every everyone's playing is on on point
like that like they've been in like they're ready to go in the ring that's what it that's what it feels
like to me anyway i might be you know conflating there with a few different ideas but you know just from
that from just you know listening to some of these interviews we've been working with and things um
there's there's a little bit of that going on listen i've been coming to this club since 1982
i've seen all the pros the amateurs everybody come through and everybody within our boxing
community knows we followed him as a musician he done really well but see if this guy stuck to what
his real skills were which is in the ring this guy would have been at least world champion if not
undisputed world champion undoubted i'm telling you that is a fact but it's
it's maybe a little bit too late in the day now but this guy would have been the scottish rocky
marciano without a doubt ready so what are they like live because i expect yeah they can do it like
they can really do it you know i well that's a really great question because um the band i saw yeah
were fronted by dante he was the bassist for these albums okay but all right so mark rankin was the so
mark rankin sang on taking on the world gala swagger and 01416 blah blah blah blah yeah um and then dante
took over after that and so did he leave yes right and i don't think he i don't think he did i don't
know i might be i don't think he did anything after that i think he was just done yeah um now the band i
saw in nuneaton yeah was with dante not with mark rankin yeah so i i don't know but they were great i saw
them and they were phenomenal they were um you i would i would say um they they knew exactly what
what to play and where do you know i mean it was a well honed machine a lot of people found you know
when they listened to the first album they thought gun yeah i quite like it but you know i'm not really
sure if it's rocking or a lot of people came to see us live and you couldn't believe you know that it was
so so hard and so sort of heavy sounding and then i think that changed it helped convert a lot of people
you know but um this this record on on tape it sounds louder you know it's a it's a heavier
louder sounding record and live the band are heavier than ever so you know that's what i would say if
people hear this record and you know that it's slightly interesting come and see the band live because
live is just a straight rock and roll band you know it's well sort of heavy and loud live it reminded
me actually of you know you see robbie williams yeah yeah play yeah um he's got this like innate
he just knows what to play and how to get the yeah how to get the audience on on his side kind of
yeah and and gun did the same thing so they've got they've got such even off these first three records
yeah they've got a complete records worth of absolute bangers yeah massive massive singles
um so they were doing like a mixture of uh like i would say like slower acoustic stuff yeah yeah and then
these like massive anthems yeah and a bit like when you see bon jovi everyone knows every yeah
yeah i mean these are very song righty albums to me there's a lot the lyrics are as bigger part of the
record as the the riffs and the melodies and you know everything else so um yeah it was incredible
that was really really cool it's a lot of beer as i remember flying and as a photographer it was like
you know i i was there was a lot of ffs right because there was do you know what i mean it
was just like beer going everywhere and i was like jesus christ i'm gonna have to go and get my
spray everything with switch cleaner when i get a beer out of it but um and it was
right selling selling camera gear when you sell it and people come along and say what's it been used for
mate and you go oh just not much just just just birds yeah just like flowers in the back garden
and of course mikey is like literally rock and drenched in beer and stuff so i'm like
do you have to kind of clean it so it doesn't stink but um the camera that i shotgun with definitely had
beer in it a lot of beer in it so did i i covered in it but they were cool they they um they had support
from a dude called chris barris right that name rings a bell as well i've never known that name he's
dead good yeah dead good he is what kind of country rock and roll right right um but again another guy
who can absolutely just do it yeah he was like um yeah just full of energy like in in the middle of
noneaton in you know not in an inspiring no no environment and they put on this massive show that uh
i want to say it was called the queen's hall or something i'd have to go and look it up um but it was
so good it was i mean it was like you know when you see it and you think oh it's in noneaton yeah
yeah yeah that's going to suck yeah yeah and then i got there and i was like oh god it looked like it's
awful but then the sound was brilliant the pump was brilliant and it was just they put on a brilliant
show so yeah don't be put off if you see bands in noneaton if noneaton still exists
go and do it because they were great and i loved it i to be honest i had a really really great time
everyone was really friendly um like the green room that looked about the size of the toilet
there wasn't the green rooms that i know about yeah yeah and uh yeah they were they were they were
super cool but yeah they were a really cool live experience you know it was one of those where it was
it was more of an experience than uh um you know like going to see like um
what yeah it was just like going to see bon jovi where everyone knows every word to every song yes and
everyone sings along and the band know it so there's a lot of space in the set for them to
have you yeah engage and be part of that yeah yeah that kind of show but it's not it wasn't forced it
all felt really um really cool i i loved it i might i might remind myself and go and look up the review
what i wrote about it but um that would have been for louder than war i think but uh but yeah no they were
really cool oh and it was a pleasure to see him and listen to you know here there's a to be honest that
probably kick-started my love of gun again yeah that would have been 2019 yeah i think um it was
just before everywhere started shutting down okay yeah um so yeah i i i absolutely adored that it was
brilliant and and it's a long time ago now that oh god doesn't it doesn't it you know when you just
sort of think that that that era where that that covert stuff happened it's it's quite in the past now
isn't it yeah it is i mean what we got like we it was 2025 yeah yeah so in five years time
yeah yeah it'll be you know a decade yeah i wonder what they'll do what if they'll do like a little
do you know what i mean
what what do you do what do you do to remember when everyone died
did it yeah yeah it just suddenly reminds me of um was it
oh he's gone was it radio six your bbc radio six when they had their
they're like they're banging and then prince philip dies do you remember and it's like this kind of
absolute banging drum and bass and then it just stops and it says uh prince philip has died
oh god is that real yeah it is but i'm gonna find it can't wait because i've got to find it i've got
to find it now it's got to go in buckingham palace has announced the death of his royal highness the duke
of edinburgh dreck and that was a dare dreck and they were like you've got you've got to say it mate
you've got it or do you reckon they flipped a coin who's got to make that who's got to make that
announcement i can just imagine it's dance anthems right so there have just been kids in the studio
like banging having a having a mad one aren't they and then and then someone will have said oh
we've got to do something what do we do do you know what i mean yeah and then like we can't just
stop it you can't just stop the banging tunes because there'll be a real downer
i know we'll just tell everybody and then bring it back up yeah i i remember when margaret you
were margaret thatcher stepped down i was in the i was in the library um doing doing some maths i
think and a deadly quiet and the library librarian literally it was deadly so it was always silent in
there and the librarian just kind of came out she went an announcement no way and i was like what i don't
care just go away the iron lady not so iron i don't know i don't know i'm doing calculus go away
i'm busy yeah i'm busy go i don't makes no difference to me go away
but yeah they go no i did it's one of my favorite moments of uh bbc radio and they should be super proud
an achievement it was the thing that does it is it's not that it's not the uh buckingham palace
it's the fact that there's like a perfect pause and then it comes back in on yeah it comes back in
properly on beat like uh do you know what i mean like if you imagine the dj going and then he spins
and then
i loved it um when i found my uh my my piece in louder than war about gun nuneaton queen's hall and
there's a few things that i need to correct about my story first of all um reading my own words it
was lancaster university not preston how far are lancaster and preston apart though they're both up
they are one's just a bit more so it's slightly i went to slightly more up i went to both um and it was
the third i've written in my own words here uh the 3th of november 20 2018 and i think that's what
should be called i think three is loads better than third it is third doesn't make any sense way better
you can tell we didn't have a i back then all of the spelling mistakes uh it was the 3rd of november
2018 at queen's hall in nuneaton um uh support from chris the what was called the chris barris band
at the time okay um and i wrote that uh chris barris was awesome i also wrote that i had covered gun the
year before because they supported black star riders and i'd forgotten that yeah yeah yeah so there you go
that was in 2017 so ah in another interview we we got um which we didn't use anything from they
told they spoke about that did they yeah 14th march 2017 rock city i covered them with uh that would
have been your man ricky warwick okay yeah yeah off of the almighty and then uh i mean the black star
riders is essentially thin lizzie with ricky warwick at the front yeah so i was dead excited to uh to go and
uh go and see them and support was uh was good um which partly would have been why i went i think
yeah yeah yeah um yeah so where was this thing recorded because the sound of the studio the sound
of the oh that's a good question recording is absolutely like unreal like all the gun stuff all
the gun stuff that the sound of it is i don't know it's just it's punchy but you can hear absolutely
everything there's nothing in the wrong place so it's it's a bit vague if i'm honest it talks about
uh it being recorded in glasgow but i couldn't find like a definitive venue like a recording uh
yeah definitive venue of where it was actually done so um if anyone knows let us know yeah yeah um
but yeah somewhere in glasgow i would who was the other scottish band that if you if you that was
almighty that was your mind she wasn't yeah yeah yeah so ricky warwick yeah and who uh where did they
ever do that where did they do it yeah do you remember where they did that i don't think they
recorded it in class because i sure was the power station was that when they went over to the power
station i think they might have done let me just have a quick look on on my i'm going to go on to
i'm going to say i'm going to say they do the power station then i'm going to do riffology.co yeah
because that's our website and i'm going to look at this so it's like marketing and yeah
explanation at the same time almighty yeah and then um so you can all do this with all
of your favorite bands you can yeah you can go on have a search i've spelt the almighty wrong
uh we did soul destruction soul destruction was recorded at trident studios in london
oh they came down to try it was it that went over to the power station then uh uh uh uh might that
have been little angels could have been yeah don't know interesting now the making of young gods
uh unless i've got more fairview that was in hull oh no yeah i remember i was talking about that willoughby
you know i'm making it up okay that's good we like that um so yeah uh well it doesn't yeah i i i
couldn't i couldn't find like it's weird i found like a bunch of studios referenced for it but not like
hey this is this is where it was done this is totally where it was done so um uh but yeah but
it has got an interesting sound to it i think yeah i think so yeah that's what i was trying to get at
um uh but it's weird it's got like this it's it's a simple it's a really simple sound but it's like if
you if if you tried to go into a studio and recreate that sound your dream was how hard it is yeah yeah
it's it's it's it sounds really simple but there's nowhere to hide um and like everything sounds
sounds really good um it's done by kenny mcdonald the um producer um and interestingly this it landed
really well listed gallus um 92 would have been but the thing is 92 it would have been up against
big stuff yeah yeah there might have grunge essentially grunge would have been at its peak
so but it did pretty well i think this got to 14 on the new album charts um but they've never skied it
have they gun no swagger did so yeah yeah with um word up was yeah that was the big thing so they
came off the back of this and if you imagine this did really well i'll say really well this did pretty
well and then you had word up and then and obviously then that that drove uh uh sales of um
of swagger which was a weird album i thought i quite quite like bits of swagger and the production's
really great but it's it's got like rap and like like jazz almost it's weird um not in like a bad way
but like no no they were on the third album trying stuff out yeah but it's a little bit like like gun
for me that i kind of want my big thick hard rock music that's what i'm expecting i'm not expecting
strings i'm not expecting you know trumpets yeah i'm not expecting a choir do you know what i mean
that's what i'm not expecting from gun i'm not expecting um like weird stuff yeah it's just rock and
like some bands straight up rock and roll yeah some bands you're thinking like i i don't know what i'm
going to get here you know you you switch the album one every new album from them you think it's going
to be you know i wonder what like skunk and ante are a bit like that yes i'm never quite sure which
direction you're going to go in yeah um but they've just got a new album actually yesterday yeah oh cool
yeah they released a new record yesterday which is which again it's quite cool i think it's quite a cool
record but again like a a reinvention if you like of where yeah new thing new yeah it's not there are
bits on there that are similar to before and bits on there which is good which is good and that i think
they've probably done it right then haven't they and that you know you you you're not put off by that
that's not a thing yeah you kind of tempted in you kind of know what you know okay with skunk and
nancy that means that they'll be pushing some envelopes again yeah that's kind of part of their thing
yeah you yeah there is definitely an amount of that i can imagine it will put some people off
yeah it's not it's not kind of paranoid and sunburnt or yeah yeah whatever but it's um yeah it's
interesting but i think with with gun swagger to me just felt a little bit after the first two records
it was a little bit i don't know what i'm not sure about this you know i mean there were like
probably four songs on there that i i thought were great and then four that i thought i'm not i'm not
really sure no where this is i'm not really sure what this is kind of thing um and and you know so
that the direction changed a little bit i think as the industry changed as well you know um but yeah
i suppose not unexpectedly you know they they and then came off the back of swagger yeah and then found
that the the not only had the industry changed it had gone yeah you know i mean there was nothing
underneath them anymore there was no like hard rock if you think about the hair metal and then
you had the you know like in the uk i think we so we they had hair metal in the 80s then i think this
part of the early 90s in the uk was kind of this hard rock like hotbed there were just some brilliant
albums that were here here in the uk that you i don't think get talked about enough um you know and then
you had um you had grunge and then you had like kind of the old rock yeah scene um and then and then
the world kind of went like all like limp biscuit and corn and so these albums kind of dropped and there
was the audience there wasn't a rock thing was that it was the it was metal or kind of yeah like the
audience had kind of gone it was it was i mean there was an audience there still but nowhere near as
as many that that i guess that casual audience had kind of british rock had become kind of
indie really hadn't it become radiohead it became yeah yeah yeah i hadn't thought about that yeah
yeah no you had it it's weird it kind of it had moved on hadn't it by the second half so no one
really wanted this sort of stuff anymore over the decade yeah it just kind of chewed on and that
i mean imagine being in in a band like that where you're trying to figure out what to do next how to
be important how to be yeah yeah yeah you know how to be noticed and stuff you know you're conscious
of the fact that people may forget you people you know people like things to be constantly in their
face and so uh we just sort of try to write the best songs we could write and come back with something
that uh you know hopefully will help bridge the gap you know people if they hear the album and they
like it then you know to me it doesn't really matter how long it takes as long as you come back with
something strong and something that you feel happy with
some people laugh for it some people die for it some people rest your life don't do time for it
love child come wild come off your mind so what do you say don't be afraid of it just take a chance on it
watch what you say and never be a fool for it wrong side of the white lines look at your face it may be open
it's just a place in a private street it's just a soul on the open road it's just a part of a losing game
it's just a part of a losing game
it's just a part of a lovin' game
it's just a soul on a lovin' game
it's just a part of a lovin' game
tell me why you lied to yourself
tell me why you run away
i believe in what you're sayin'
i'm just waitin' for the day
take a look at all those people
lookin' at the number one
livin' in the future
livin' in the past
everybody out there
can you hear me
i like that one
i like any of any songs
yeah
that do that kind of like
riffy cowboy thing
you know like we do with
riding the low with tommy hawk
that kind of
yeah yeah yeah
like it's got a kind of
yeah yeah it's got that sort of like
i don't know what you call it
like it's kind of country rock
stampy country rock
but heavy
like big everything
foot stampy
yeah yeah yeah
yeah i like that
very good
um i've discovered that it was
recorded in park lane studio
in glasgow
do you know how i figured that out
go on
you're gonna like this a lot
so i have um
the first album on vinyl
but i don't have this
and this is my favourite
yeah
so i thought i'll go on discogs
and have a look
and you know on the back of the
i found
they're not
a picture of it
yeah they're not expensive
these albums to
to buy like some of these
albums back from the early
90s just cost a fortune
they're like you know
a hundred pounds for a
record and you just like
get lost
but some of these are like
10 12 quid
oh cool okay
i'll have that very much
yeah yeah
um on the back of it
it says recorded in park lane
studio
there we go
so that's where it was
recorded
so scratch me saying
i couldn't figure it out
now you have figured it out
yeah imagine that i said
that it was recorded
in park lane studio
um was recorded
by um
um
uh where i went
it was recorded by
kenny mcdonald
yes
he said that name earlier
what else did he do then
uh well he did the
debut as well
okay okay
yeah yeah yeah
and he worked with texas
ah
so
the band
not not the
not the state
no
there you go
they were good
they were texas
yeah
they were a bit
rockier live
they were glasgow
weren't they
yeah like you know
when you hear them
on record
yeah
and you watch them
live go oh
they were they were
quite rock
quite raucous live
yeah yeah yeah
yeah no i liked them
they were good
you can see what you want
but it was nothing like that
no
live it was like
brr
just like that
that's what she did
charlene spateri
brr
death metal
texas
i like that idea
yeah yeah yeah
that'd be dead good
we could like
merge napalm death
and texas
that'd be dead good
that's kublai khan
isn't it
oh god yeah
who's
oh god
one of the
um
one of that lot
i've got a new record
and i love it
is it tala
anyway i just
absolutely adore it
it's fantastic
um anyway
um i was gonna say
the approach
for recording
was to encourage
spontaneity
and push the band
to deliver performances
with grit and conviction
we made the first record
you know we were
i was like
17 18 years old
and i was 19 20
you know
we were young guys
we'd never done it before
and we were sort of
quite naive
on this record
you know we did all this
to him
and uh
we sat down
we wrote some songs
that we were really happy with
and we recorded them
in a
in a far more confident way
than we'd ever done before
you know we knew
we knew what we could achieve
in this record
you know and we'd go in and do it
i'd go in and i'd do vocals
and then i'd say you know
i can sing better than that
and go back and do it again
until i got something
i thought yeah
that's the best i can do right now
you know
and the songs as well
you know
we wrote something like
18 20 songs
but only 10 of them went in the record
because there was only 10
that we felt
were strong enough
to go on the record
band to me
sound
a lot like
like live
they sound a lot like
these early albums
yeah
um
yeah and i think that's
i i don't know
i think there's a
again
that's all
that authenticity
sounds easy though
doesn't it
it sounds so easy
but it's not
it's so
like loads of bands
sound totally different
and lots of people will say
oh
it's because
you know
they can't play live
they can't play good live
but it isn't that at all
it's because the
the songs in almost all cases
will have been
like crafted live
yes
yeah
and then
and it's the recording
that's not right
not the live that's not right
do you know what i mean
it's like the live show
is the live show
and that's what the band
sound like
yeah
um
and i think we've
we've you know
just speaking about
riding hello very quickly
but that's the thing
we've always had
to the point last night
where you know
there's one of my friends
chris harding
who's come in and doing
the front of house
mixing for us
yeah
really clever guy
lovely man
and he's you know
he's been spending time
with the records
and then he's experienced
it live and gone
oh no no no
that's that
it's that live thing
yeah yeah
that's the thing
for this band
you know
i've always said
to you guys
that for you guys
the live
that live experience
that's what it's about
it's that you sound
like a rock and roll
band in live
on the studio records
it's too polished
for me
often in bits of it
it feels like
it's like
that's not
the ride in the low
I know
do you know what I mean
the ride in the low
I know is kind
of this
like big
guitar band
and often
on the recordings
it's got that
it's become like
almost indie
like a little bit
yeah
yeah yeah yeah
it's like tame
do you know what I mean
it's kind of had all the
it's had all the danger
taken off it
do you know what I mean
whereas in the live show
it's a bit
whoa this is
where's this going
kind of thing
this is a bit
you know
so yeah
I don't know
I think some bands
just don't translate
very well
or actually
the reality is probably
it's a lot harder
than it sounds
to make a band
sound
like their live show
in a studio
yeah
I mean you'd think
it would be
oh we'll just play it
live in the studio
yeah yeah yeah
it's weird isn't it
yeah it's much harder
than it sounds
so yeah
some clever engineers
and producers
I think on this one
and I painted a lot
of sort of
images in people's heads
like you know
lyrics like
poor men
left with nothing
yet rich men
wanting more
so ask yourself
a question
what are we living for
you know
that doesn't state
one way or the other
it just says
we'll think about it
you know
and we've got all this
time on our side
and there's no looking back
welcome to the real world
hard red balls
in a cold night
four walls
closing in
standing still
in the future
outside looking in
don't know
what to turn to
don't know
what to do
nothing ever changes
I'm a red to turn
and blue
I see it on the streets
I read it
in the news
I get this feeling
maybe
I'm being used
but I've got
all this
time on my side
there's no looking back
welcome to the real world
and I've got
all this
time on my side
there's no looking back
welcome to the real world
five birds bright in the distance
don't know who to trust
stars fall down like a message
sent from heaven above
so pour that lip and dust down
the rich man want more
and I ask myself a question
say what are we living for now
I know the faces
but I know the names
know the cost of losing
girl but I
I play the game
cause I've got
all this
time on my side
there's no looking back
welcome to the real world
cause I've got
all this
time on my side
there's no looking back
welcome to the real world
and I'll see you next time
next time on my side
so
I'm hanging out of promises
welcome to the real world
cause I've got
all this
time on my side
there's no looking back
welcome to the real world
cause I've got
all this
time on my side
there's no looking back
welcome to the real world
cause I've got
all this
time on my side
there's no looking back
welcome to the real world
yeah I've got
all this
time on my side
there's no looking back
never gone back
never told that
never gone back
yeah I see
I like a fade
and a guitar solo
me too
I like a fade
like a guitar solo
I like a
quite a bit in the middle
yeah
I like all of that
I love
I like track 7
to be a bit ballady
yeah
cause that's the end of side A
yeah
I like
do you know what
and then an anthem
at the end of side B
I really like songs
that start with a guitar solo
yeah
I'm a big fan of that
I'm a
I think you know
Oasis made it really popular
again didn't they
but I like that kind of thing
you just start
and have a
widdly widdly
guitar a bit
yeah yeah
I think no
yeah but
so
like an album now
when you stream it
it's a one body of work
straight line from start to finish
it is yeah
I like it when they've got
little movements in them
so you've got like
three songs
which is like one concept
and then they've got
a little bit of something else
and a bit
so they've really thought
one day each
yeah
but there's like a narrative
you know
there's like something going on
where it's like
I don't know
it's been curated
let's say
do you think that's been
lost a little bit
yep
because I
I remember
um
like albums
would
they have
I think everything's rubbish now
I think
but albums
albums have like a
like a
a personality
yeah
do you know what I mean
like
and
a lot of that is to do with
how it starts
and how it finishes
and kind of
how it ebbs and flows
absolutely
it's a body of work
it's an art piece
it's a curated piece of work
yeah
but
so I went to a gig
and I was playing
and I was doing rubbish covers
and um
I've done
I've done all the usual ones
that you do
that everyone starts going
yeah you know that
yeah
and then someone came up
and says oh can you play like
and then listed
new people
yeah
um
and I had to tell him
new people
from like 2006
yeah
never heard of a mate
sorry
yeah and I sort of said mate
like
I think
normally new music's awful
I've hit
I've hit that point
it's that line from the
hitchhiker's guide
isn't it
have you seen that
that there's a
I'm gonna
I'm gonna find it
so I get it right
but it's basically
anything that was invented
like anything that was invented
before you were born
is fine and normal
and anything invented
before you're 30
is exciting and new
and you can probably get
a career in it
and everything
that's so true
anything that's invented
after you were 30
is against the natural order
of things
that is
it's that line
it's interesting
it's the line
of 30 years old
yeah
where everything
everything then
so when would that
have been
12 years ago
what was that
what's the maths
there
what was 12
what was 12 years ago
so that's
what is it now
25
yeah
that's 15
yeah
and then minus
two more
yeah
2013
yeah
so anything
after 2013
is awful
that's true
we played in small clubs
we played in larger
even theatres
into arenas
and then into stadiums
so we've played like
right across the board
and all the different
sort of conceivable shows
you know
we sort of
gained a lot of experience
doing that
and something that you know
that will stand us in good stead
for the future
you know
because
also playing to so many people
and gaining that kind of
that kind of
respect really
to get the stones thing
a lot of people looked at that
and thought
you know
why did you guys get it
you know
it's great to sort of
look back
and it's something you'll never forget
to you know
having done
but you know
that was then
and this is now
and the only thing
in our mind right now
is getting this record out
and getting out
and going back to clubs
you know
and trying to
build up
the fall on again
doing with this band
we're good at
putting a couple of hundred people
you know
and that's what we'll go out
and do
right facts
it's a fact time
it is fact time
I'll go through
my fact sheet
so released on
30th of March
1992
although I will point out
that we get beaten up
on social media
almost every day
for getting
release dates wrong
people get very excited
they like time
people like time
don't they
they do
they like time
and dates
yeah
if you get them wrong
there's very definitely
kind of an ADHD
Asperger's-y
thing there
where it's like
no that's not
that's not the date
this is the date
and I just don't care
well I mean
it's not I don't care
I don't care
but I like
is it the ballpark
it's fine then
close enough
time isn't even real
30th of March 1992
is what we're going for
album title is
Gallus
which is Scottish slang
oh here we go
because I didn't know this
I was going to ask this question
yeah
what does it actually mean
it means bold
or cheeky
oh cool
I'm sure Lindsay is going
no it doesn't
you dickheads
chucking fruit pastels at us
something like that
apparently
but that's what
Google told me
which was interesting
50 minutes 16 seconds
long
that's a good laugh
don't think it was
remastered
which is a good thing
I don't think it needs
to be remastered
it sounds great
that sounds great
isn't it
10 tracks
none of them are too long
which is great
it was on A&M Records
what's too long
go on what's the threshold
for too long
5 minutes
it's just getting warmed up
5 minutes is like
you're just getting there
I say that but like
there's a lot of
Metallica tracks that I like
of Master and
Justice that were like
3 hours long each
5 minutes is about
intro isn't it
that's for me
it's just for you
yeah you're like
oh it's just getting
started now
it was recorded on A&M
recorded as we've
discussed at Park Lane
Studio in Glasgow
yeah yeah
produced by Kenny
McDonald
it was
let me go down to my
engineering bit down
here
it was recorded by
Al Clay
now Al Clay
worked with
the Pixies
and I think
you can kind of
hear like the Pixies
have got that
no nonsense
you know
just kind of
straight up
do you know what I mean
there's no
weird stuff going on
in there
and I think you can
kind of hear a little
bit of that in there
so I think
although
that's really
interesting isn't it
isn't it
I really like the
Pixies
yeah
they're really cool
yeah so
and then yeah
so it was
it was produced by
Kenny McDonald
he did
taking on the world
before it
and he did Texas
we'll come back to
Texas in a minute
because there's a link
between
Texas have come up a few
times haven't they today
they have yeah
I think again
because they're from
Scotland
yeah
but there's another
link as well
which I'm going to
get to in my five
things
okay cool cool
yeah
so there you go
they wanted
to make the
the album sound
they wanted it to
sound like Glasgow
on a Saturday night
that's kind of
where they wanted
to get to
they didn't want
they felt
it's interesting
they felt that
their first album
was too polished
yeah yeah
I'd like to play
King Tut's
in Glasgow
King Tut's
Wawa Hut
yeah
that was Oasis
wasn't it
yeah and I'd like
to play
these are
well
Shepherds Bush
Bush Bush Bush
Bush Bush
and Norfolk
Voodoo Daddies
ooh
yeah
talk it
I mean
I've never managed
to get in touch
with a number
from King Tut's
so if they're
listening
yeah
like
right
please
let's do a gig
yeah the band's
called Riding the Low
and they love to
come and play
yes
or you could have
us we'll just
do it live
we'll just be
me and Chris
going up
with no idea
what we're doing
for an hour
that would be great
right
so
albums
from
Gunn
and the producer
so taking on the world
was Kenny MacDonald
Gallus was Kenny MacDonald
Swagger was Chris Sheldon
now that's another name
that rings a bell
yeah
now
where is my list of things
that Chris Sheldon did
here I go
here's my list of Chris Sheldon things
so
he did Therapy Trouble Gum
he did The Almighty Crank
he did a bunch of Shed 7 record
Feed Us Polythene
which I think we should do
that's a great album
let's do it next
I was going to do
we could do it next
I was thinking we could do
Wild Hearts
okay
Earth Versus
okay
next
yeah
let's do Earth Versus
and then
then Polythene
that's two weeks of planning
but then
here's some other things
right
so then you've got
he also did Foo Fighters
the colour and the shape
wow
that's a great record
that is
it is isn't it
that's the one with
February Stars on isn't it
yeah it sounds lovely
he mixed it
he didn't produce it
but
yeah
I think it sounds really good
I'd like to be good at mixing
yes
I'm not
I'm not very good
I could do recording
yeah
I'm not very good at mixing
I think this is the problem
with musicians
because they can't
they're all a bit deaf
they are genuinely
they're all a little bit
every musician I know
they're all a little bit deaf
it's true though isn't it
they're all like
what
turn it up louder
I mean it's what you'd expect
from musicians
I mean if you think about it
just being slammed in the ear holes
by massive caps all the time
so
he also did like
all the Biffy Clyro albums
Black and Sky
Vertigo of Bliss
and Infinite
oh god
they're so good
I like Biffy
yeah
who did that
Chris Sheldon
yeah
wow
Ruben
oh my god really
very fast
very dangerous
does he still exist
Chris Sheldon
I'd like to talk to him
he's good
so he's done the last
he's did therapy records
in 2018
yeah
therapy's Hard Cold Fire
in 2023
and he did Shed Seven's
Liquid Gold in 2024
so he's definitely still around
he's out doing bits and bobs still
he is yeah
very very very cool dude
I think
and yeah
clearly very talented
and then
there's a bunch of others
they did 0141632
6326
in 97
then they did Break the Silence
I liked Break the Silence
it was kind of a resurgence
so like 97
and then there's a
like a massive gap
like a 15 year gap
until they did Break the Silence
which I really liked
Frantic
I thought was really cool
Favourite Pleasures
again was really good
and then the Carlton Songs
in 2022
and then Hombres in 2024
which was done by
Simon Bloor
the records from 2012
to 2022
were all self-produced
okay good
there was no market
for what they were
there was no market
for what they were doing
there's been a bit of a resurgence
I think
in kind of hard rock
and that kind of stuff
so
so they were out
on their own
self-producing things
yeah
yeah yeah exactly
but I think Hombres
I mean for me
like 2024
that has to be a
if you're not
if you're a Gunn fan
and you've not listened
to their stuff
kind of since the 90s
Hombres from 2024
I remember when that
came out
and you said that
you said like
you've got to listen
to Gunn's new one
it's unbelievable
it has to be up there
it was like an album
so is that Dante singing
still
yeah yeah yeah
it has to
for me it's got to be
there was that album
a potential album
of the year for 2024
it's really really cool
other stuff that was
released in 1992
which again talks to why
like Grunge
Grunge was really popular
but in the UK
that hard rock stuff
was still
yeah they were still
knocking about
yeah yeah totally
it had like a little bubble
that existed
where it didn't exist
and it was subculture
it definitely wasn't
mainstream
but you know
I mean maybe
maybe Terror Vision
kind of broke through
it a little bit
yeah
they got a bit more
mainstream
Terror Vision and Wild Hearts
and stuff
but yeah
generally there was
like a hard rock
undercurrent wasn't there
yeah there was
it was
yeah
but I think that's
coming back
that's why you wanted
to do this
scene in the show
wasn't it
you wanted to do
a few episodes
because we've got
a few listeners
over in America
that probably won't
know this stuff
I think there are
people outside the UK
that will have never
heard of this stuff
and yeah I don't know
I just thought it would
be nice to shine a light
on it
and we'll have to have
a look at the stats
at the end of the year
we'll see a big dip
where everybody just
turned off
but other albums
from 92
Adrenalise by Def Leppard
Fear of the Dark
by Iron Maiden
Angel Dust
by Faith No More
Countdown to Extinction
no did we do Angel Dust
no
or did we do
I thought we did Angel Dust
I think we did
we did both
we did Angel Dust
and we did
oh yeah we did
real thing
yeah from Out Nowhere
epic
yeah
all of that one
yeah
anyway
Countdown to Extinction
by Megadeth
Dirt by Alice in Chains
Whipped by Faster Pussycat
Psalm 69
by Ministry
wow
Images and Words
by Dream Theater
Core by Stone Temple
Pilots
and Vulgar Display of Power
by Pantera
obviously most of them
were American
bands
so
there was still
this stuff was still
kind of happening
in 92
still kind of big
big rock and metal bands
were going through
but in like
yeah
in the UK
we were
we were still
kind of very hard rocky
wow
yeah
which was pretty cool
other interesting stuff
from 92
that I'd forgotten about
James Hetfield
yeah
was hospitalised
after Pyrotechnics
went off
near him
and he got pretty badly burned
oh gosh
I'd forgotten about that
Body Count
released a track
called
Body Count
Cop Killer
I'd forgotten all about
Body Count
and that was
that was like
just that was
proper controversial
yeah yeah
you don't do that
yeah
that was
pretty crazy
and then it was
the Freddie Mercury
tribute concert
as well
in 92
and I'd forgotten
about tons of that
as for singles
from
from Gallus
Steal Your Fire
that was the big one
Welcome to the Real World
and Higher Ground
yes
one of my favourites
is Watching the World
Go By
the last track
and it's fab
but hopefully
we're going to end
with that
because I absolutely
adore that
I think it's fantastic
the album's built on
themes of resilient
struggle and pride
I think it's interesting
the tone difference
in lyrics
yeah
between the
debut in this album
it's a little bit more
it's a little bit more mature
I think this one
which is a
yeah
quite a nice thing
promotion for Gallus
was extensive
so they did
they did tons of
like
MTV stuff
I was going to say
it's a Henbagger's Ball thing
that was knocking about
yeah
they did
they did tons of stuff
they went out on support
with Defla
but they were out on the
Adrenalise tour
which was pretty cool
I think they ended up on a
Rolling Stones tour as well
on the album
I don't think it was on Gallus
I think it was on
the debut
but
but yeah
they did some pretty
yeah
pretty big
pretty big tours
I think
which is
which is pretty cool
five things
so
we talked about this
Gallus is
Glaswegian slang
for bold or cheeky
cover art
is Benny Lynch
the Scottish
boxing
champion
it reached
number 14
on the UK
albums chart
which
with three singles
charting in the top 50
Kenny MacDonald
also produced
Texas's debut
and Lloyd Cole's
Don't Get Weird
on Me Babe
there were backing
vocals on the album
although not
not like
explicitly
called out
so
Charlene Spiteri
okay
she did backing
vocals on the debut
yeah
but the rumour is
she did backing
vocals on this
too
oh wow
that she's not credited
not credited
now the other
interesting thing
is that
Charlene Spiteri
is Mark Rankin's
cousin
oh
so that's
that's the thing
you wanted to say
the Texas thing
yeah
okay
that's why you keep
here in Texas
because Charlene
and Mark
are cousins
yeah
wow
she
if I remember rightly
I think Charlene Spiteri
did a
rock on tours
you know
with Gary Kemp
and Guy Pratt
I haven't listened
to that podcast
for age actually
I love that
I thought it was
such a good podcast
and
she was so cool
to listen to
listen to speak
you know
she was so cool
she's funny
yeah
funny
Charlene Spiteri
I like
I remember
being on TV
yeah
and not taking
myself too seriously
there have been
some uses of
tracks from
Gallus
in TV and media
the biggest one
from Gunn though
is Word Up
that gets used
I think Top Gear
used it
which is such a shame
because they won't
get the writing
credits for it
you know
with that extensive
they'll also get
the performance credits
or the mechanicals
yeah
but not the songwriting
bit sad isn't it
really
and then yeah
and that's kind of it
there's no remasters
for not that I could find
I couldn't find any
remasters of this
which is a good thing
I don't think any of
these first three
got remastered
which I quite like
and then after this
album came Swagger
which yeah
which which
which changed a little
bit Alex Dixon
the guitarist left
the drummer Scott
Shields left
before Swagger
so this is the last
album that they
they were on
eventually I think
I might get this
slightly wrong
but Mark Rankin
was on
it was on Swagger
and then he was
also on
0141
and then
and then Dante
takes over the
vocals
for all of the
albums
okay from there
from there
after that point
and that is it
for facts
very good facts
thank you very much
very good facts
we should have like a
thing that plays
so we've already
decided what we're
going to do next
week
well have we
let me
let's do this
Wild Hearts Earth
Versus
we did
but
and then
Feeders Polythene
Polythene the week
after
I love Polythene
yeah it's a great
record
right let me
let me do this
look I'm going to
find
why can I not
oh god my Apple
music's gone all
weird
you know when it
goes all weird on
you and you
I know there are
albums
why just show me
that
anyway so
I think
right so there
are in the 90s
in the 90s
we could do
Fuck
which was 93
Earth Versus
which Apple
music tells me
is 93
I'm not convinced
and then there
was Fishing for
Luckies in 95
and then Endless
Nameless in 97
yeah
my favourite
by far is
Earth Versus
it's got
Greetings from
Shitsville and
TV Tan and
Everlone and
Love Shit and
My Baby is the
Head Fuck and
Sucker Punch and
yeah Sucker Punch
is great
that album is
just phenomenal
but then like
Fuck has got
I Want to Go
Where the People
Go
yeah that's
a big tune
Justin Lust
Baby Strange
yeah Caprice
Be My Drug
it's dead good
Earth Versus
is that's the
one where I
think I would
which one is
Endless Nameless
is the one with
a weird
is that the one
with a weird
production
one of them's
got like quite a
harsh production
yeah yeah
I think
I think you're
probably right
I think Earth
Versus is probably
the one
never understood
the album cover
no
Earth Versus
no I Want to
Go is
was like you
know I keep
talking about
this album
this great
which gum was
on
word of
yeah yeah
yeah
and I made
them run to
the hills
and a few
others
that was on
there as
well
the Wild
Hearts
I Want to
Go Where
the People
Go
yeah
it was about
that time
yeah that was
a
but yeah
Earth Versus
yeah let's do
Earth Versus
do Earth Versus
from the Wild
Hearts
I do like the
Wild Hearts
and I have to
say
although the
line-up has
changed a little
bit over the
years
their latest
record sounds
like Earth
it's gone back
to this sound
to me
the Satanic
Rites one
yeah yeah
the Satanic
Rites of the
Wild Hearts
I got a
preview copy of
it and it
kind of blew
me away a
little bit
I wasn't
expecting
because Ginger
had been
he's been up
and down a
little bit
yeah bless him
you can tell
when he's
like in a
good place
mentally
because he's
I don't know
he's good fun
on social media
and doesn't
take it too
seriously
he doesn't
get into fights
and he's just
kind of like
you know
whatever
I don't need
some random
stranger to
agree with me
on X
to Gio
and he doesn't
buy it and stuff
and there was a
period before this
where the band
had broken up
and everybody
was kind of
giving him a
hard time
and you could
kind of just
see him spiralling
and it was just
like you know
when you
everybody wants
Ginger Wild
Heart to succeed
I don't think
anybody on the
planet wants him
to not do well
and you could
just like
I don't know
you just
wanted someone
to kind of
reach out
and give him
a hug
and kind of
dude it's
it's alright
don't you know
and then
and then he
went quiet
for like six
months or so
and then started
to come back
on social media
with just these
bits like I've got
I've got a new
band together
and it's the best
thing ever
just amazing
and then you
just saw him
get like
I don't know
like more
positive and
better about
everything
and then the
record came out
and all of the
reviews were like
really positive
and you know
what I mean
and then you
just saw him
and I saw an
interview with him
and he was just
I have to say
though if you're
if you're onto a
creative project
that means a
huge amount to
you
I know people
call it like
passion projects
and I think that
cheapens it a bit
because it becomes
about that
creative project
becomes a part of
your almost like
vision for life
and your outlook
on everything
and it's more
than just a
passion thing
or a hobby
or it becomes
you know
the thing that
it's your
sort of self
expression
and if that
thing isn't
working
it impacts
everything
it impacts
everything
like everything
becomes rubbish
all of a sudden
because the thing
that you love
and the thing
that you pour
your heart into
it's a part
of you isn't it
it becomes
a part of you
and you can't
it's interesting
because it isn't
part of you
it's what you
did
but you
you know
you can't
oh it's difficult
it's really
to separate
yourself
yeah it's very
difficult to
separate yourself
from the
criticism of
that if it
doesn't go
very well
but yeah
I always think
you should never
count Ginger
out
he's never
down for long
do you know
what I mean
if you look
at all of
the
at least
an entire
career
yeah
there are
bits where
he's been
knocked down
a little bit
and struggled
but he
comes back
he always
comes back
and he always
comes back
punching
and just
nobody writes
melody like
Ginger
he's just
it's incredible
actually it just
reminded me
while we're just
talking about that
just as a
off the cuff
thing
do you remember
Frank Turner
yes
he's a massive
Wild Hearts fan
he would go on
tour with
Frank Turner's
just done a
brilliant thing
he's done the
levee you know
with his tour
yeah
so a pound from
every sale
is filtered through
to Brass Roots
yeah yeah yeah
which is just great
I saw that
a few people are
starting to do that
now
well he was in
a punk band
Frank Turner was in
a punk band
called the Million Dead
yeah yeah
so I mean I've
seen Frank Turner
again Frank Turner's
one of those guys
his records sound
a bit punk
a bit kind of
folky
and a bit poppy
his live show
is more hardcore
yeah
so it's kind of
this bonkers energy
where you know
and I love it
I saw him at
Rock City
and there are
people going in
there who kind of
like the folky
side of things
and you go in
there and it
turns into this
like manic
hardcore show
with kids throwing
themselves and
stage diving
you know what
I mean
you can just
see the eyes
suddenly go
like dinner
plates
like oh
what is
going on
here
but anyway
I saw
I always try
and go and
see the wild
especially if
they're in
at Rock City
and I've
seen like
Frank Turner
will come out
and play
and he'll
sing various
tracks
he's a massive
fan
but he is
just going back
out on tour
again as the
Million Dead
which were
his original
punk band
which no one's
ever heard of
so if you're
a fan of
Frank Turner
and you
like that
kind of
thing
then check
that out
because I
think they're
at Rock City
oh that's
great
so that will
be a really
cool gig
I think
that is cool
yeah yeah yeah
I don't know
whether anyone
will go
I don't know
if there's
anyone left
alive who
remembers
the Million
Dead
but if you
are it
would be
very cool
yeah yeah
yeah wicked
right well
we're going to
put a song
on and then
we're going to
say goodbye
then
so do say
love you
bye now
or do you
go after the
song
should we
come back
after and
do that
yeah let's
do that
we can't
end
without
loving
bye
you say
it just
scares you
when you
look around
things never
ever had
to be
this way
sometimes
when I
look at
friends
I just
see myself
now
leaving
is the
price
I have
to pay
wish
me
well
you
know
I gotta
go
you
know
I gotta
go
I've
done
my
time
I'm
living
without
freedom
within
and I'm
torn
and
divided
inside
nothing
left
to give
nothing
left
to lose
and it's
time
I
decided
to say
goodbye
you say
you can't
never tell
what tomorrow
brings
that I've
been there
and I've
walked that
road before
things can
change
and I'll look
back at the
memory
as the night
falls
another dream
just
slipped
away
I can't
stay here
watching the
world go
by
watching the
world go
by
I've
done
my
time
living
without
freedom
within
and I'm
torn
and divided
inside
nothing
left
to give
nothing
left
to lose
and it's
time
I decided
to say
goodbye
say
goodbye
born to
live
till the
day
we die
people
talk
tell me
who decides
days
just
pass
you
by
life
will
pass
you
by
had
enough
of the
same
old
scene
same
old
places
same
old
dreams
when I
watch
my
world
go
back
let
me
go
somebody
help
me
I can't
stay here
watching the
world
provide
watching the
world
provide
I've
done
my
time
love to hear
love you
bye
see we can do it
with the song
in the key
love you
bye