Riffology!
See, you did it in the key of the song.
Riffology! You did good at that.
Yeah, I like doing that. It's funny.
Singing in that.
Yeah, I like it.
Hello, we are Riffology.
You are Neil, I am Chris.
We are doing Thunder, Backstreet Symphony.
Straight in there.
Podcasts all about classic albums.
What's going on?
I did it. I did it.
I don't know what's going on.
It's because I've been so disorganised during the week.
Yeah.
I've saved all my organised energy for that 30 seconds that we've just had.
And now it's chaos from now.
Is it?
Yeah.
Normal service resumed.
Thank you for joining us.
We, as my colleague said, we do about albums.
We've never really said this before.
So, I was reading today, this will make sense in a little bit probably,
but I was reading today that there's nothing for Gen X.
Right.
Like most Gen Xers, like me, don't know which generation they're part of.
Yeah.
We're those kind of people.
Yeah.
And, but this is, because it's us talking about music.
And you're a millennial, so we're Gen X.
So it's like a Gen X and a millennial talking about music.
Yeah.
But there's, we've got this unwritten rule, which is, it's got to be more than 25 years
old.
Yeah.
And that's it.
I didn't know that was, is that what this is then?
Yeah.
That's what we're doing.
Yeah.
Can't touch it.
And so all of the social medias.
Yeah.
I do break it every now and then.
Most of the social medias that we do.
Yeah.
If I see something and I think, oh, that's a good, you know, that's interesting.
That got released today or that got released or this is interesting.
If it's not 25 years old.
Don't go out.
Don't touch it.
Yeah.
But here's the bit where that's really weird.
25 years old makes it about 1990, obviously.
But for those of you following along with the date, it's not anymore, is it?
No, it's not.
So it means we can do.
Also in the future.
Yeah.
In the future, 25 years is going to come forwards.
Yeah.
Which means that when we're doing this in 25 years time, we'll be doing.
Oh, we could do.
We'll be dead.
I'll be dead.
We could do the new Linkin Park album.
We couldn't read.
That's really good.
I like that.
Yeah.
So.
Oh, that's good.
Time.
I like that a lot.
Yeah.
Time's good, isn't it?
You like time.
So when time goes on.
Yeah.
The years of our boundary goes forward.
Yeah.
Oh, wow.
It's too good, isn't it?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And it was easier for me to write a filter of our database to do it that way.
But it kind of felt about right.
I kind of thought I don't want to.
I don't necessarily want.
Not that we don't like new music, because we both listen to quite a lot of new music.
Yeah, yeah.
And.
You more than me.
I'm pumpkins or nothing, really.
I love new stuff at the minute.
There's a new Ghost album out at the minute.
Yeah.
I know people are probably spitting at the radio at the minute.
But I really like Ghost.
And my kids really like Ghost.
Yeah, yeah.
Which is so good.
And I just like it.
It's quite poppy.
Yeah, yeah.
But I'm in the same boat with Steep Token.
Like, Steep Token is pretty much just pop music.
Yeah, you see?
Yeah, you like that.
Pop music that goes heavy.
And I like the new Linkin Park.
There's loads of stuff that I like, actually.
Yeah, it's good, isn't it?
But I think for this show, it's the 25 years old.
Yeah.
And this is way more than 25 years old.
And this is a problem, you see, because I did.
I missed this.
I had Love Walked In on a compilation album called Greatest Anthems in the World Ever or something
like that.
Greatest rock songs in the world ever.
Yeah.
And that was on there.
There was loads of other stuff like Guns Word Up from that era, you know, all the key good
stuff.
Run to the Hills was on it, like a live version of that.
And there was loads of different ones.
I think that's the best version, the live version.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Which live version do you like?
The one that we played on the show once.
We definitely played this because there's a thing about-
The one with Winston Churchill?
No, no.
At the beginning.
Well, it might have been, but that wasn't on the record that I listened to.
Oh.
But yeah, it was good.
It was like-
Live After Death, I think that one is.
Yeah, I think you're right.
I think that's the way it's off.
That was my favourite.
I think that one.
We ought to do-
We've never done a live album.
No, no, we haven't.
I'm talking over you now, aren't I?
I just-
It's just like, you know when like fireworks happen in your tiny brain?
Yeah.
I was like, oh, I should do a live album.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
What's your favourite live album?
Muddy Banks, The Wish Car.
I liked, I heard They Suck Live, the NoFX one.
Yeah, that's dead good.
And then the obvious Thin Lizzy one, that's good.
Yeah, and then there's the MTV ones.
Yeah, they're good.
Yeah, they're always good.
But do you know the one that really, really turned me on to live music?
And that's Wasps Live in the Raw.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Loved that.
I went to see them after, I listened to that tape over and over again.
Yeah, wow.
And then it was my first live gig.
Yeah, yeah.
I went to see them with grown-ups.
They were real good.
I was like 15 and it was full of grown-ups.
Yeah.
Do you know when you're like, I don't, I felt properly like I was school.
I felt like everybody knew that I was like underage.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And they served us at the bar, you know, back in the day.
Yeah, back in the day.
When there were no rules.
There weren't really.
No.
I'm trying to think, this would have been 1988, no, 89, on the 89 and Headless tour
at the Hummingbird in Birmingham.
And I can say that now because it's been bulldozed.
So no one's going to go to prison for serving a 15-year-old a pint.
But it was mega.
Me and my friend went and it was just the most amazing thing ever.
Yeah.
But we don't talk about live albums.
So we should do that.
No, we should do a live album.
Eventually, maybe we'll do a series of.
We've got a whole, we've got a lot to do before we get to that, haven't we?
We keep talking about, we keep adding to the list.
Oh, anyway.
So Thunder, I never, yeah, I was a bit young.
I got into rock music a bit later.
Yeah.
But I did like that song, Love Walks In.
I thought that was a great song.
And, you know, it's one that, it's one that you've, it's the sort of song that you think
you've always heard forever.
Yeah.
Even when you start, I know this song.
I've heard it, you know, it's a really kind of familiar feeling songs.
Yeah, there are some songs like that.
Basket Case is one of those.
Yeah.
You can play Basket Case in any pub anywhere in the world and everyone knows all the words.
And they'll all sing them as well.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's not like, you know, oh, and it's like a Linus Morissette, all the girls know that
word.
Yes.
But they might not sing in a pub.
Yeah.
Basket Case.
Yeah.
They all just sing along, don't they?
Yeah.
I can tell you that's the absolute truth because it happened last night.
Did it?
Yeah, I did somebody's 40th birthday party.
Right.
A little group that we put together to do it.
Yeah.
And we started playing a couple of Green Day songs.
Yeah.
Yeah, exactly what you said happened.
Everyone sings.
Everyone had a good time.
Yeah.
They got drunker later.
Drunker.
The more drunk they are, the louder they'll sing it.
That's the more animated they get.
I wanted to, I was kind of going down the path with this one, but this was 1990.
Yeah.
So I was eight, you see.
That's why I was too young.
So that makes it exactly 25 years old.
Actually, it's 35 years old.
That's taken us six minutes to tell that joke.
Has it?
Yeah.
But that, it's genuine, and I'm sure lots of our listeners are the same with this.
Yeah, yeah.
It just doesn't feel like, it's like 35 years, is it?
Yeah, I still think of like, 2000 is new music.
Yeah.
Do you know what I mean?
2000 is when new stuff comes out.
1990 was when, like, for me, that's kind of when all the best of, all the best of was
like late 80s, early 90s, when all my favourite stuff came out, really.
There was a bunch of albums I loved afterwards, and a bunch of albums I've gone back and discovered
before.
Yeah.
But like probably 85, 95, that's my, you know, if I was, if I could just, if I had to,
if I was forced, like if somebody broke into, this is a weird scenario.
Somebody broke into my house and pointed a gun at me and said, you've got to pick.
You can only listen to, you know, I, that's what I pick.
That's what you pick.
It is.
And I still think of that as being like a little bit old now.
Yeah.
90s, you know, millennium was like, that's still new.
Yeah.
And like everything after that, I don't, I still listen to it.
It's like, I don't listen to it.
It's just that when people talk about dates.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Like 1995, oh, that's 10 years ago.
And it's mad.
I don't understand it.
I don't, it's not like, I'm not, it's not like a, um, a conscious thing, but I'm sure
other, if you do that as well, let us know.
Cause I feel a little bit like, I feel a little bit alone.
So other than that, other than that song, uh, Love Walked In, which is a great, great,
great song.
Um, I not heard anything other by them really.
And that's bad because I know people who know them, like my friends are their friends.
You know, it's worth, it's worth, it's worth pointing out that Chris, Chris knows the producer
of the band and a bunch of other stuff.
And it's that thing like, like, you know, doing stuff with, with Paddy and my friend who
played in a band with years together, Paddy Constein.
He's an amazing actor.
He does all this sort of stuff.
We've so, we're so good friends and I very rarely watch anything that he's in unless it's
a king and his wielding sword.
I struggle with watching, but you know when we went to see, what was that thing?
Uh, journeyman where he was the boxer.
Yeah.
I find it.
I mean, I don't know Paddy nearly as well as you do, but I know him well enough that I
find it really hard when I see him on screen.
Disassociate.
Yeah.
So I found, um, Dead Man's Shoes easier cause it's like, that's like a different Paddy.
Yeah.
Do you know what I mean?
Cause I know the older Paddy.
Yeah.
Whereas, do you know what I mean?
So when he's in, when he's in stuff now, I find that really difficult.
It's like, cause it's like that jarring, oh, he's acting.
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
Cause that's, I know him.
Yeah.
And I wonder if that's what it is then.
Yeah.
Cause I sometimes, like, your brain's properly misfiring and it's like, I can't, I can't,
I wonder how that, cause like actors must find that really difficult.
I wonder if they do.
Might be next time we see Paddy, a lovely conversation to have with him about whether, like, can he
watch stuff his friends are in?
Cause he must have like, I mean, his list of.
Yeah, yeah, that's true.
Maybe so.
Yeah.
He was magnificent in House of the Dragon though.
He's magnificent in everything.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
He's brilliant.
If you've not seen Dead Man's Shoes, if you're in, if you're in America, which loads of you
are, find Dead Man's Shoes.
Yeah.
It's very British.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And it's a little bit unnerving.
Yeah.
But that's our mate Paddy.
Paddy's the one in the green jacket.
But yeah, dead good.
I watched that on a flight.
Did you?
The first time.
Yeah, it was dead good.
Yeah.
So we, so that, that with.
We've gone off piece.
Yeah, no, so that's quite normal.
That's what we do.
That's part of our, what, whatever the word is.
I don't know.
That's just what we, that should be in the show description.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Like a Gen X and a millennial talk about music that's more than 25 years old.
And usually other stuff.
And tangents.
Yeah, lots of, lots of tangents.
So, yeah.
So Nick, Nick Bryan is, is a lovely, lovely man.
You know, I'll cast him as a, someone I, I don't see hugely often because he's a very busy
man.
You've done albums with him, haven't you?
You've recorded with him.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So we've recorded him a few times.
Where is he, Rockfield?
Well, I think he's, he's, he's all over the place.
He's kind of, I think he's, he's based mainly in Spain these days, but he, he kind of comes
back and does, does recording at Rockfield and various other studios.
Gotcha.
Because you did, didn't you, did you do Circularity?
Circularity was with him.
Yeah.
He was, he was, he was such a incredible, you know, creative to have.
Yeah.
I remember you coming back from those sessions buzzing.
You were just like.
Yeah, yeah.
He helped us really frame it and get it down.
And he is an incredible producer.
You know, he's, he's worked with some huge artists and done amazing things.
One of which is Thunder.
So earlier on, I messaged him and say, I say, mate, Art Thunder, absolutely amazing.
Like 35 years later, I'm 35 years late to the party and I'm, and I feel really guilty
about that because they are absolutely, what a stunning band.
Yeah.
What an incredible, incredible band they are.
They're nuts, aren't they?
They are.
I mean, I remember picking, this one, another one for me where my mate Anthony, I mean, talked
about Anthony loads on the show, but it like, we lived like literally around the corner.
So we were, we were, we lived on two different roads, but there was like the, the house on the
corner was in between us.
So like we would, you know, like almost our houses like backed onto each other.
So there was a one take, we had an ethernet cable slung between the houses over the shed
and stuff like that.
Yeah.
But, but I remember him getting this and yeah, it was, I think it's just incredible.
It was just one of those albums that just from the beginning, rather than the first few
bars, that, that, the intro of She's So Fine, which we started the show with, they, the riffs
remind me of ACDC in, in a way that they're quite simple, but they just feel like you've
heard them before.
Even the first run through, you're like, oh, and ACDC do that for me where, you know, you
can go and pick, I've probably heard all the ACDC albums now, but the first time you hear
an ACDC album, if you hear a riff, it feels like you already know it.
Do you know what I mean?
It kind of, it has that thing where it just feels right to something that it just feels
really cool about it.
Yeah.
And there's tons of them on this record.
I think these kind of riffs that, that, um, the Dirty Love riff, Backstreet Symphony, Love
Walked In, you know, these, these tracks, the, the riffs and the songs, they kind of feel
like you already know them.
There was a degree of energy about it because of Terror Plane had been quite frustrating.
Yeah.
And there was a momentum, like I said, once we kind of realized what it was we were supposed
to be doing all along in a way, then I had a kind of, a kind of major sort of, I guess,
creative, um, uh, kind of wave.
And it, it's, the songs just came out very quickly, really.
And, um, I think, you know, it was sort of a sense of sort of throwing off the shackles
and we were kind of musically finally free.
So there's an energy about it.
Um, and also the other person who's got to take credit, um, is Mike Fraser, who recorded
and mixed the album, just, um, um, phrase.
We wanted to get phrase, um, for about two years.
And, um, you know, just as the, as Terror Plane was finishing, um, uh, Danny and I went to
America and, um, for just for a fact finding mission.
And we heard, uh, or Permanent Vacation, the Harrismith album had just come out and that
was all over the radio in America.
And it was an amazing sounding record.
It sounded like he was sitting in the room with the band.
And as soon as I heard it, I just, I've never heard a record sound this good, a rock band
sound this good.
Yeah.
Whoever this guy is, we need it.
And, um, so we sent him, we found out where he was in Vancouver.
We sent him some demos.
This is before we'd side with him.
Um, and said, we're right back in room England, we love what you do.
We think you would, you know, if we were, if you were, you were with us, we would, you
know, we'd all really enjoy it.
And, uh, and much to our surprise, he came back and went, brilliant, I'm in.
Um, I'll, I'll come to England and do it.
So he's like, great.
Um, and so literally he came off recording Pump with Aerosmith, finished that, got on a
plane, came to England, and then we made Backstreet Symphony.
So, um, yeah, um, yeah, he just made us sound like I'd always heard us sounding in my head,
if you know what I mean.
I was sort of going through it and, and, you know, Nick, when Nick messaged back and he
said, he said, like, they're one of the most underrated UK rock bands ever.
And I'm like, I can't argue with that.
I think he's absolutely right.
And, you know, and I'm, I'm probably going to dive in now and really explore their back
catalog and get into all that stuff.
Cause they've obviously done, and they're still doing it now.
They're still putting music together now.
Well, well, in the, in the last few years they have been, you know, there's a couple of
guys that have been quite poorly, but they've, you know, they've, they've, they're still
doing stuff.
They're still working hard.
Hardworking band.
I think it was, there's an interesting story about, um, about Thunder and why they didn't.
Oh, sorry.
Just while I'm just on Nick, he said, cause he, cause he summarized in three phrases.
Yeah.
Exactly what I felt.
Yeah.
Which is incredible guitar playing.
Yeah.
Blind, blinding vocal.
Excellent songs.
Yeah.
And I think that's it in a nutshell.
That's, that's what you, I mean, there are obviously there's other elements to that
band, but in terms of the things that really leap out of you, leap out at you when first
listen is the guitar in is out of this world is unbelievable and not overplayed.
No, nothing is overplayed.
It makes you want to pick a guitar up, doesn't it?
It's like, there's some like, uh, rage against the machine makes me want to put a guitar.
I don't want to go near a guitar.
I don't know how to do any of the things.
I can't even begin to imagine that.
Yeah.
This is an album that you listen to.
And I think I want to pick my guitar up.
I think I could look, I could go on YouTube and I could play that song and it makes you
want to play.
It makes you want to do it because they sound, they're not, but you know what I mean?
There's some really clever guitar work, but it sounds just so right.
There's just something I can't think of the right words to use to describe it, but it's
just, oh yeah.
The guitar work, I think it's really underrated.
I think the guitar, the guitar playing is really underrated.
Yeah.
It's just unbelievable.
It's unbelievable.
And it, but it's, it's not overstated.
There's no, there's nothing that makes you think, oh, I did a bit, did a bit much there,
you know, but the same with the vocal.
Yeah.
Like absolute world-class vocalist in set like blues, like bluesy, you know, like soul, like
a soul to it.
And, and then little riffs and little moments and you go, that's really tasteful.
Yeah.
Like even at such a young age when they obviously did this record.
Yeah.
It's, it's really tasteful.
It's so tasteful.
Do you, there's a lot of Aerosmithy bits to me, that kind of bluesy.
Yeah, that's true.
Bluesy rock stuff.
And I, I always expected them to be massive and like in the States.
Yeah.
Oh, sorry.
This is back to your story.
And I didn't really ever get why they weren't.
It didn't make a lot of sense to me why a band with such great songs, you know, and I guess
there's like, there's some stuff that doesn't translate particularly well.
Yeah.
And there's a certain sound that they've, that they've got, but this album, this album's
got like a fairly big produced sound.
I mean, it sounded pretty good to me.
And I really didn't make a great deal of sense why it didn't, um, didn't do very well.
But then when you think about it, it's 1990.
So you've got grunge just on the verge, the kind of hair metal scenes just dying down a little
bit.
You've got Guns N' Roses.
You've got a bunch of other bands that are doing big stuff in the US, big, you know, hard
rock bands that are doing big stuff in the, in the US.
Um, and the story goes with Thunder that they were produced.
So in the UK, they were with EMI and EMI backed them pretty heavily.
Um, and so Geffen had Guns N' Roses, um, and yeah, a bunch of other kind of hard rock bands.
Um, and Geffen decided to get behind Little Angels instead and kind of said to Thunder, hey, you,
you just wait your turn.
Right.
So we're going to put some money behind Little Angels and we're going to do, we think that
they've got a slightly more polished American friendly sound that you guys, that you guys,
yeah, I think, you know, um, they felt that some of the, the lyrics and stuff in, in the
Thunder record were, might not translate that well.
Okay.
Yeah.
Um, so they, they were going to push Little Angels first and then, which they did.
Yeah.
Um, but then if you think about it, by the time they came back to Thunder.
Yeah.
Geffen have got these massive hard rock bands on their roster already.
Yeah.
And now you've got Soundgarden and Nirvana and, you know.
You're doing with Pearl Jam and all that.
Yeah.
And so, so Geffen were a little bit like, well, yeah, I don't think we need that anymore.
Yeah.
So they kind of.
And this isn't the same arena as that stuff, is it?
Yeah.
No.
So, so I think that they were like, well, not going to, just not going to do that.
And, but I mean, EMI continued in the UK and they did incredibly well in, you know,
in, on, on this side of the Atlantic.
Yeah.
Um, but it's like, I think like Def Leppard and Bush.
Yeah.
So Def Leppard managed to crack the US audience because they were just earlier.
Yes.
So they were much earlier and they rode on the back of the hair metal, where they were
kind of class, they were hard rock band in the UK pretty much.
And then, uh, they got that more polished sound and mutlang and then that appealed to,
um, you know, the US audience a little bit more.
And then they toured really heavily when they were there.
Um, and then Bush did really well because they were nineties, but they sounded like Pearl
Jam.
Yeah.
And they were, they were not rocks.
They were not rock bands.
So they, they, they flew, they flew in America.
They had a US sound.
They sat, I mean, do you know what?
I still remember somebody telling me that they were a British band and telling them that they
weren't.
Yeah.
And then, yeah, because they don't sound like a UK band was, I think, um, you know,
little angels and thunder.
They do.
They, they've got that.
They, they sound like British bands to me.
They've got that.
And there's something about the lyrics and the tone and stuff in there.
Um, but the really sad thing for me is that that, what that meant was that thunder never
really got a chance to get in front of a US audience.
It never really happened.
Cause they would have been massive.
Well, I should, I assumed Love Walked In was big over there.
Maybe.
Was that like anything?
Really?
Cause you can imagine that really kicking off over there.
As far as I can see, there's nothing in the US charts.
Yeah.
Um, um, the sad, really sad thing though for me is that, so that meant that this record
didn't really get a good push.
Then that meant that everybody was crying into their shoes over alt rock and, you know,
salt, the Seattle scene.
Hair metal is now dead.
Hard rock is now dead.
Yeah.
Like, you know, uh, you, and, and then you competing against guns and roses and all of
that stuff.
And then this scene doesn't come back round, does it?
No.
Yeah.
But then in Britain, it was still pretty big.
Yeah.
But then Little Angels didn't break the US either.
Yes.
So you had these two phenomenal, I think, too.
That's Toby Jepson, isn't it?
Toby Jepson's band.
Yeah.
They, they were two, I think, two of the greatest rock band, two of the greatest British rock
bands, certainly through the nineties.
They were just epic.
Both of them were just phenomenal.
Um, and neither of them.
And I think it's timing.
I think, you know, if those, if, if, if, if, you know, if Thunder had have been around in
1987.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
I think, do you know what I mean?
And it's only a few years, but it would have made such a difference.
I think they'd have been, because then they'd have made it through, you know what I mean?
They've had that rocket up them.
Yeah.
From the labels during the late eighties when, when people were lapping up the kind of hard
rock scene and then, and then, you know, as the things change, people already know about
them then.
So, you know what I mean?
It's, it's easy.
But what's the thing with this, with, with Thunder?
Cause they've got a slightly bluesier sort of thing going on.
It's not, it's not quite straight hard rock.
No, it's not.
There's a bit of a swing to it.
I think they've, don't you think, I think they've really lent into that as well.
Yeah.
This record.
And then they did laughing on judgment day as well.
Um, and then, and then like almost every record afterwards gets a little bit more bluesy.
Yeah.
I think anyway, and there's like, like they, they've done some recent acoustic tours as
well.
And I think that they really thrive.
Cause he's like that, they're blues licks, right?
Yeah.
You know, when you hear, when you hear those lead, lead moments, they really feel like blues
to me.
You know, it is, it's that, it is feel it's, it's, um, it's, it, there's something about
the way the song, it's not just the riffs, is it?
It's the way they're played and delivered.
And there's, yeah, there's something really, um, I don't know, something really special about
it.
Yeah.
And there's a great energy, like I said about it.
Um, we had a great time making the album and I think you can kind of sense that really.
So yeah, it's great.
It's, it's just, uh, it reflects a very kind of happy time in all of our lives.
And, uh, yeah, it's nice to have that kind of little, little picture of that.
Kind of sometimes like how Slash did it, you know?
Yeah.
Like he had a similar sort of feel.
He was a bit more intense though.
He had a bit more, he was a bit like, he whittled a bit and all that sort of stuff.
This is a bit, I think for me, I mean, I can't play like Slash.
Well, well, you know, who am I to say this, but I just feel like Luke, or is it Luke Morley?
The guitar, guitar?
Yeah.
He, he, his feel is, is, is really tasty.
And I think that, you know, I come back to what I said earlier.
There's nothing that feels out of place or overdone or even, even the stuff that does get a little
whittly.
It's all in, in keeping.
And it, it's, I don't know, it's just phrased lovely.
It's just lovely feel to it.
I see you walking by.
You got that far away look in your eyes.
It was only yesterday.
Like a cheap suit, you were all over me.
I should know better by now, my friend.
Just what I mean to you.
You've been running in and out of my life so long.
I don't want nothing to do with you
I don't need your dirty love
I don't want you touching me
I don't want your dirty love, it's enough
Trying to live with a memory
Na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na
Tune me up, spit me out
Turn my whole world inside out
There's a name for girls like you
You belong in the gutter, I know that you do
Baby, I've had enough last to last
The rest of my days on earth
So now you're gonna get what you deserve
I don't need your dirty love
I don't want you touching me
I don't want your dirty love, it's enough
I know there ain't no way
But I said we were gonna break it up
Someday
And that day is now
Baby, I'm getting out
So don't you cry now
Sign up
But you'll be living the life
And you're laughing, I'm not around
Yeah, you're laughing, I'm not around
You'll be running in and out of my life so long
There ain't no way
I'll speak
There ain't no way
I'll speak
There ain't no way
I don't need your dirty love
I don't want you touching me
I don't want your dirty love
It's enough
Trying to live with a memory
Na-na-na-na-na-na, na-na-na-na, na-na-na-na, na-na-na-na, na-na-na-na, na-na-na-na, na-na-na-na, na-na-na-na, na-na-na-na, na-na-na-na, na-na-na-na, na-na-na-na, na-na-na-na, na-na-na-na, na-na-na-na, na-na-na-na, na-na-na, na-na-na-na, na-na-na-na, na-na-na-na, na-na-na-na, na-na-na-na, na-na-na-na, na-na-na-na, na-na-na-na, na-na-na, na-na-na, na-na-na
So get out, I'll plant your veins
I'll never let you die
So get out, start walking
Go, get out, you're boosting a fly
To the sky, ha ha
That's right, you're the man
I know that you've been doing me wrong
I know it, I know it
I know that you've been doing me wrong
I know it, I know it
I know that you've been doing me wrong
I know it, I know it, I know it
I know it, I know it's been doing me wrong
Go, get out, go away
Leave me alone
Now we've been doing me wrong
And you know, going back to this album
This is one of my favourite albums
And it's been really cool doing this section
Like really going back to the 90s UK albums
And this was one I probably haven't listened to for a year or so
Yeah
And it's just one of those albums
It's just like gives you a cuddle
Do you know what I mean?
You're just like, this is just so good
You know, and there's not
I don't think there's a dull bit in this album
No, no
It's like
And I think a lot of debuts do this
Yeah
Where the band will have been kicking around ideas
Yeah
For years
Yeah, yeah, yeah
And not have the outlet to record them
So, you know, there's just all of these ideas
And they all get squished into one record
Yeah, yeah, yeah
And the second record has got to be done in a short space of time
So you don't have, you know, you've probably got ideas
That you didn't use on the first record, right?
But that first debut often
They're just like
There's just no downtime
Other albums like that for me
Like Skid Row's debut as well
That was the same
It's just
It's just like on fire
You know, the first bar
It's just like slams out of the speakers at you
And it doesn't stop until it gets to the end
And then it's like
What just happened?
Yeah
This is like that for me
There's no
There's no let up
Every song is as strong as the next
And they put out five singles from it
I think
Four or five singles
Yeah, yeah, yeah
But yeah, there's like no bits on there
Where you
Because sometimes when you go back to these older albums
I kind of think
Oh, you know
I mean, even
Even on some newer albums
Like the most recent Prong album
Yeah, yeah, yeah
They did that cover, didn't they?
That Rush cover
And I skipped that
And I don't
I don't skip Prong songs
I love Prong
But sometimes you go back to them
And you think
Oh, I remember not loving that song
Yeah
At the time
And sometimes you change your opinion
Sometimes when you go back and listen again
You're like
Oh, actually
Yeah
I kind of didn't love that
Yeah
But 35 years ago
But actually now
It's really cool
This
I just remember loving all of it
When I listened through to it
And, you know
Going back and listening to it again
Exactly the same
And a lot of those same feelings
Come back as well
You know, and remembering the times and places
Yeah, yeah, yeah
Where you were
And
Sometimes when we listen to albums from this era
And for me it's to do
A lot of it's to do with the kind of use of chorus or reverb
Particularly on the drums
And the way of processing the drums
To make them sound huge and fat
They do sound
Cavernous
Yeah
This is
For me
This is still kind of slightly in the pocket
Okay, yeah
Like
It doesn't
It's a strange one
Like it's got
The drums have got all that stuff going on
But it's still
I don't know
It's not unlistenable
Like sometimes you go back
Oh, it's a bit
That snare's a bit
You know
Yeah, yeah
A bit
You know what I mean
That late 80s
Yeah, yeah, yeah
It's a bit
A bit whatever
But
The
For me
For this
This is
This is still
Eminently listenable
And I
I sound more like a snob
Than I mean
When I say that
I mean
Because I like quite dry sounding drums
Yeah, you do
Chris has a real funny thing about
Kick drums
Yeah
If it's like
It's soft
You know
I can't listen to that
Nope
It's a floppy kick drum
Yeah
And I like it
Yeah, it's all got a thud
And it's got to be
It's got a punch
That's what I like
Well
But this still has it
It's still got this body
And this
Sort of cavernous
Kind of big
Big epic sound
To the drums
But
They still
They still thwack a bit
They still got to put a punch on them
I mean
It's worth remembering
That this was produced by
Andy Taylor
Yeah
Off of Duran Duran
Yeah, yeah, yeah
He
Did a few things
Yeah, he did
He did like his rock
I think
In recording both the two albums
We did for them
I don't think we kind of really
Nailed what it was we were
Or what we were trying to do
Because we didn't really
Have a clear idea ourselves
Yeah
I think what kind of
We had to go through that process
To realise what we didn't want to do
If that makes sense
Yeah
And you know
Crucial to that process
Was meeting Andy Taylor
Because he
He nailed it
He put it in one sentence
He said
I don't be fucking around for you
You're a fucking great blues rock band
Drink more
Turn it up
Have fun
And that
In that one
Kind of bit of advice
Yeah
It kind of
Of course
And
And that kind of
Resonated with the kind of songs
I was starting to write
I think of that
When we met Andy
I think I'd already written
Dirty Love
And a couple of the other tunes
That were on the first album
So
Him coming in
Was
Was the catalyst
That we kind of needed really
But then it was mixed
By Mike Fraser
Who had just come off the back
Of
The Aerosmith
Was that Pump?
Yeah
Pump
So he'd just come off the back
Of Aerosmith
And
I think it's fascinating
Because it
I don't know whether
I mean
Luke Morley might listen to this
And he'll be spitting at the screen
But it doesn't sound like
An American record to me
No it sounds English
It sounds brilliant
I mean
Just from the very first
Bars of this track
You know that kind of
Big thick kick drum
And the space
And the air
And it's
It's a lovely produced record
You know what
I wonder if that's what it is
With the drums
It's the
It's the way the Americans
Processed it that I don't like
Ah
Not that I don't like
But I thought
It
It puts it in that
In that era for me
Well yeah
But this British sound
Is a bit punchier
And I wonder
Because it was
It would have been
Produced by Andy Taylor
So it would have been
He would have set like
The vast majority
Of how the sound
Yeah
And then
Mixed by Mike Fraser
So
Yeah I don't know
But there is something
Really nice about it
And I remember hearing this
For the first time
And it did sound like
A step up
For me it was like
A step up
From some of the other
British bands
That were
And I just thought
That's
Very cool
Yeah
And I wonder if it is
That American influence
Coming in then
It is
But it's like
I would say it's like
An influence
It's an American influence
On a British
Yeah
Band
But it does
Like still
Like
It sounds like
A British band to me
It doesn't sound like
Like Bush
Yeah
Like if you
I remember first hearing Bush
And like
It's just a
Seattle band
Yeah
You know what I mean
There's no way
That's a British band
Because they
You know
They don't sound like
Def Leppard's another
Good example
They don't sound like
A British band
Well High and Dry does
Pyromania does
And then all of a sudden
Mutt Lang appears
And they
Sound like Motley Crue
Yeah
Do you know what I mean
And it's
I think that
Not in a bad way
But do you know what I mean
The tone of those records
Absolutely
Sets them
I think they were
Influenced and recorded
And everything was done
In the US
And they sound like
A US album
Yeah
Backstreet Symphony
For me
Is a British record
It sounds like a British record
It's got the
The playing is
Very British
I think as well
And
You know that
American
Sound
Where the
Hard rock bands
There was just a lot of
Guitar
Really forward
There's something like
Slightly different
About this album
You know it's
Like you say
Slightly more bluesy
And I think
Just the guitars
Feel a little bit less
Like I don't feel like
I'm being punched in the face
No
Do you know what I mean
I feel like I'm being
Kind of
You know
So the listeners
Won't know this
But
I went for a wee
He did
He just stopped
Mid flow
I need a wee
But
I think it's important
To the
Development of what
I'm about to say
What that you went for a wee
Yeah
Because whilst I
By the way
Because we've had
Coke Zero
And Fruit Pastels
Which is
Which is our
Thing that we do
On a Sunday
We did this
Most Sunday nights
Yeah
We got our
Coke Zero
And our Fruit Pastels
And then there's
A few toilet breaks
That happened
Because of said
Coke Zero
Well because we're
Old now
I can't do anything
Without a toilet break
These days
So whilst I was
Having a wee
I was thinking
I don't know
Where this is going
I have no idea
Where this is going
I was thinking
What were the
Black Crows
Doing at the time
Because
The Aerosmith
And the Black Crows
Sort of sound
Yeah
Is kind of
More like this
Than that other
Sort of like
Guns N' Roses
Sort of spiky thing
Yeah yeah
That's true
So I think
That I wonder if
Yeah
That Black Crows
Sort of vibe
With that kind of
Guitar in
And the
The kind of like
As you said
The Aerosmith
Because of that
Previous influence
Were there
Yeah
Is that a thing
That's kind of
Rubbed off here
Is that
Are they bands
That these guys liked
Or
Were influenced by
Were kind of like
You know
Yeah
I do
I do think that's
I mean you've
Talked about this
Before on previous shows
But it's that
Almost like
Music never dies
You know
Because it's like
You might create
An album
Like I'm sure
This record
Influenced
Countless bands
That came after
Certainly British bands
That came after
The 90s
And it doesn't matter
Whether they were
You know
Metalcore bands
Or death metal bands
Or whatever
Yeah
You know
These records
Will have influenced
And just like
Albums like
Black Sabbath
Yeah
And Led Zeppelin
Yeah
And Iron Maiden
Will have influenced
The Thunder guys
Yeah
Because whether
You're big fans or not
You can't help
But be
Influenced
You just are influenced
By the stuff
That goes on around you
In your scene
And what's happening
Yeah
And I love that
I love the fact
That you know
You might write some music
Or you might create some music
And you're right
The album might not be
Like the
You might not sell
30 million copies
Yeah
But it might go on
To influence
Somebody who does
Yes
You know
I don't know
I love that
I love the kind of
Yeah
The sort of
The genealogy of it
Yeah
And they're just
The things that
Like influence
Yeah
Influence people
Yeah
And you know
There are bands
I mean Black Sabbath
And Led Zeppelin
And you know
The Beatles
And the Rolling Stones
And these kind of
Huge bands
But that's another one
Like when we did
The Led Zeppelin one
Yeah
Was it four
We did four didn't we
Led Zeppelin four
We did do Led Zeppelin four
Yeah
And I
They're another band
Where I didn't get it
I didn't get it before
I'd sat and listened
To that record
And gone
Oh my god
It's a band
Yeah
This is a band
And I can't even
The most
And that feels bizarre
Me saying it
But they were like
They were just
The stairway people
Yeah
They were just the people
That did rock and roll
They were just
Yeah
And then you sit
And you place yourself
Within the realms
Of the listening experience
Of the record
And then you go
Oh my god
They're a band
Yeah
That's three or four guys
All coming together
And the other thing
I didn't realise
About that one
Is it's all those guys
That do everything
On that record
They didn't like
Bring people in
Or you know
That was it
Didn't bore themselves
And I sense
This is the same
With Thunder
Yeah
You know
The same thing
When I was listening to it
I was going
Oh they're not just
The Love Walks In guys
Yeah
Like there's a band here
And that sounds
The most ridiculous
There's a story behind
Yeah
There's a journey
There's an evolution
There's a
Like an ethos
There's a
A sort of
Sonic presence
Whatever you want to call it
But there's something here
Where you go
God that's
That's four or five guys
All together
Making music
And writing together
And going through
That process of
It's Dan
Dan Baker
You know
Your mate Dan
I mate Dan
Said
You know
It's just
Mates getting together
Making music
Yeah
There's definitely
That here
I love
In the interviews
And
Lots of
Lots of interviews
About Thunder
Making this album
Talking about how
Like a party time
It was
Yeah
They would work hard
And play hard
Yeah
I always thought
That you know
You get much more
Out of an intense
Kind of
Six, seven hours
Than you were out of
Recording all night
When you're knackered
And making bad judgements
Yeah
So we tended to go at it
Quite very hard
And obviously with Andy
Being there as well
And he had
He's of the same philosophy
So we worked really hard
During the day
And in the evening
Yeah we had fun
And it was summer
While we were
At Great Liverpool
So every evening
We'd play cricket
On the back lawn
Or go up to the local pub
Or yeah
We had a lot of fun
Invited our mates
To the studio
It was a good time
You know
They're referred to
As like the booziest
Time in their history
And even Andy Taylor
Was saying
It was you know
Pretty intense
Pretty full on
You know
The band worked hard
Yeah
And then we'd go to the pub
Yeah
And you know
There was just a lot of
Just a lot of fun
Yeah
Had
And you know
I think that kind of
Comes through in the record
A little bit
Yeah
You know
There are some albums
That
I mean we did Slipknot
And the band hated each other
Yeah
At that point
Oh the Iowa
We did Iowa
And the band hated
You know
The band Slipknot
Had always been
Against
The man
The machine
Yeah
And they became the man
Didn't they
And they became this
Money making machine
For the music
Industry
And for the label
And they were being
Treated like that
They were being treated
Like a
Like a business
And they hated it
They hated the people
That they'd become
They couldn't stand
Each other
And that comes through
On the record
Like without
Shadow of a doubt
If you listen to Iowa
It's
It's a nasty
They're spitting each other
Oh god yeah
There's some real anger
Going on there
This sounds
Such a good laugh
Maybe that
Maybe
That's kind of
Why it gives you
That feel
Like it gives me
The warm hook feeling
Yeah it gives me
This lovely warm feel
Mate I feel better
After listening to this record
Yeah
Because they were having
A good time
When they made it
And you don't like
If you think about
With the
And that was true
I think a lot
Of the hair metal stuff
You kind of felt
A little bit
Oh I'm a bit
Isn't that funny
Isn't that interesting
But then you go
And listen to
Like I don't know
You go and listen
To Alice in Chains
You're not feeling
Better after that record
No no no
I mean if you weren't
Feeling a little bit
Introspective when you started
You probably are
At the end of it
Right you're not
Do you know what I mean
And sometimes that's
That's what you want
To feel
Yeah
But this is one
That kind of
This one has always
It always picks me up
It always kind of
Makes me feel a bit
But that emotional thing
That's done because of
The way the art was created
Yeah
And almost like
The collective emotion
Of the artist at the time
Yeah
Is sort of transmuted
To the record
To the listener
And then the listener
Gets the
I'm sure it's not
I'm sure it's not always
I like that though
I like that idea
That suits
My thinking
Well there's some of the
Some of the stories
About the Motley Crue records
Yeah
Like the first few
And Guns N' Roses as well
Like the first one
Was this just
They were all having
Such a great time
Yeah
Just kids
You know not
The egos hadn't landed
At that point
So they're just having
Such a good time
And then
You know then
The second and third records
The difficult ones
Yeah
Because they're kind of
Like being
They've been on the
Been on tour with each other
Been in each other's back
And they've annoyed each other
At that point
Because they're like
Just dickhead kids
Right
And when you're a dickhead
You just
Yeah
I mean I was a knobhead
When I was 20
I mean I wouldn't have liked
To spend much time with me
So
They wind each other
The wrong way
And then they're forced
Into a tiny little studio
To go in
For months
Yeah
And I don't think
You can hear on
Well I don't know
Maybe you can on some of
The Motley Crue records
But like
Like Dr. Feelgood
Yeah
For Motley Crue
I think sounds phenomenal
I think that for me
Is their best record
Yeah
But they were all sober
And they all kind of
Learned that craft a bit
Yeah
They'd all kind of
Rebonded
And they're all like
Oh actually
We probably better
Get our act together
And they were all sober
And they were all
You know
On the same page
And they kind of
Broke down again
After that
Yeah
But yeah
I don't know
I don't think
It's always the case
But I think
On this one
I think
I just get the feeling
That I think
The band were just
Having a great time
I think
I just think
You know what I mean
I just think
There were
No massive egos
Nobody was
You know
Trying to prove anything
It was just like
They're just having
A good time
The music that they love doing
They're in a really cool studio
Yeah
With cool people
Having a good time
And that comes through
Yeah
It comes through
In the interviews as well
I think
When the band talk about
About this
I also think
When you think about
The longevity
Yeah
You know
And they're just still going
Yeah yeah yeah
You know
And still doing their thing
Whereas
Like Little Angels
I think it's 94
They split up
Oh really
They finished it over then
Yeah yeah
Or maybe a little bit
Later than that
But yeah
They didn't know
Obviously Toby Jepsen's
Done other things since
Hasn't he
He's done tons of stuff
Yeah
And I think he's
Yeah
Do you know what
Yeah we'll talk about
What we do next
In a bit
But yeah
And I'm not
Again I'm not sure
That comes across
On the record
Because the Little Angels
Record are pretty
They're pretty uplifting
They're pretty bouncy
But yeah
This one feels really authentic
We talk about that
Authenticity often
For these albums
Yeah
They sort of seem like
Mates don't they
That's the
Yeah
You know what I mean
Like some people
Are just
They're in a band together
And they make music together
Yeah
These guys feel like
They're in each other's pockets
A bit
Yeah
Down the pub
And they like
Being with each
You know what I mean
They
Well they certainly
Liked being with each other
At this point
I think they still do
Yeah
It's hard to tell
Isn't it
From the episode
You're never really sure
But I don't think
You can fake it
For that long
Do you know what I mean
Well I suppose
You're not
If things don't work
You're not in a band together
Are you anymore
No
The first inkling
Of anything going wrong
In a relationship
Yeah
Then that relationship
That professional relationship
Bends as well
Yeah I mean
You have to think
With bands like Metallica
Yeah
Like the pressure
The financial pressure
On Metallica
To function
And generate money
To keep the various
Foundations
And charities
And businesses
And buildings
And all of the things
That is Metallica
Metallica Corp
Yeah
It is
It's Metallica PLC
Yeah
And there must be
A point where
It stops being fun
Sometimes
Yeah
You know
It's not always about
You know
When you're doing
Your debut record
It's all exciting
And fun
And you know what I mean
There's no one
Depending
People aren't depending
On you to pay
Their mortgages
No
And I know
There are a few things
That Metallica
Where you're looking
At them and going
God are they enjoying that
Are they having a good time
Doing that
Are they friends
But there's a bit of me
Which with Metallica
Makes me think
I think that's just
Part of their process
Yeah
Their creative process
Is conflict
And tension
And that seems to be
How they make their music
But I don't sense that
With these guys
No
Not at all
I don't sense that
You know
From what
Again I need to dive in
And get into their background
Not more British
Yeah
That's the British way
Isn't it
Even when we did
The Pink Floyd
Records
And we talked about
All the conflict
Going on there
I just think
It's really bizarre
That does not come across
In the records
No
I mean
I guess
The wall
Yeah
The band
Were just not functioning
At all
It was kind of
Roger Waters
With some session musicians
That just happened
To be in Pink Floyd
Yeah
And then Darkseid
That fracturous relationship
They've got
And I suppose
It's a pretty dark record
Yeah
Lyrically
Yeah
But it doesn't
It's another album
That doesn't make you
It doesn't
Like Iowa
Makes you feel
Like
I mean
That needs to like
Being stabbed
When you
That album
It's just dark
And nasty
Darkseid doesn't
No
And I think
Maybe that's a British thing
Where it's kind of stiff
You're just kind of
Oh god I hate him
But I'll just
Get on with it
Do you know what I mean
I'll play my guitar
And get on with it
You know
Yeah yeah yeah yeah
And so
I don't know
It's quite hard to tell
I think with bands
But I like to think
That Thunder
All get on with each other
And that they're lovely
Yeah
And Luke Morley
Always sounds
Whenever he's interviewed
Yeah
He's one of those people
That you
Do you know
He's one of those people
That you think
I'd go down to the pub with you
Yeah
You'd just sound ace
And do you know
As we've done this
And looked at different albums
There are people
That I've thought
I don't think
I want to go to the pub with you
But there are some people
That I thought
I probably wouldn't
Yes
Like Alanis Morissette
Yeah
I thought
Do you know
I can't imagine
Going for a pint
With Alanis
She's going to be a pain
I reckon she'd be dead good
Yeah
I reckon she'd be
Such a good laugh
After the interviews
That we
Yeah yeah yeah
Do you know what I mean
Yeah
Yeah totally hear you
And do you know
There's others like
Skin from Skokin
Oh god yeah
What a lovely person
I thought she would just
Because she's so political
And angry
Yeah yeah yeah
And then when you hear her
In an interview
She's really articulate
And really intelligent
Yeah yeah
But she's really fun
And do you know what I mean
She's kind of just passionate
About what she's doing
And what she believes
Yeah she's got lots of
Bounce
She'd be dead good
I reckon Luke Morley
Would be dead good
Down the pool as well
We should get Alanis
Yeah Alanis Morissette
Skin and Luke
And we could bring
Toby Jepsen as well
Yeah
Then obviously Toby
Was the reason that
Thunder never were big
In the States
There's not any
Mosty there though
Is there
I doubt it
I don't know
I doubt it
No
I can't imagine
No
I can't imagine that
If I'm honest
No
Well it's
Not a war under the bridge
Well Luke Morley
Used to have a show
On Planet Rock
Okay yeah yeah
Never heard him be
Anything other than
Like just charming
And engaging
And you know
Much like Joe Elliot
Really passionate about music
Really knowledgeable
About music
And the stuff that he liked
We're never disparaging
About you know
Other people
Unless it's been funny
Like you know
Yeah yeah yeah
The crack yeah
Yeah yeah yeah
But yeah
There is
Yeah
Nice guy
I think
Shall we do some facts
Oh yeah
Facts
Yeah
Oh we'll do facts
And then we'll talk about
What's your favourite song
Oh yeah
Because that'd be a good thing
Yeah
We can do that
Right
I should do some
I shall do some
I shall do some facts
And that
So
Release date
Two different release dates
Again
5th of March
And the 9th of April
Why
I'm glad you asked
So I think this is
And
I can't remember
Was it Lacey
Explained this to
Anyway
Somebody explained this to us
On X
Okay
And it was because
The release dates
In the UK
Used to be on the Monday
And in the US
Used to be the Tuesday
Right
Or the other way around
And I think this is like
A week apart
Yeah
So it's like the Monday
One week
Tuesday
The next week
Got it
I think anyway
But it was released
In the US
Which is good
Yeah
51 minutes
32 long
11 tracks
On the standard edition
There's been
Countless
I was going to say
I think the version
That I've been listening to
When I spotted your track list
And it wasn't
It didn't feel like
Oh the one that
Yeah
I think the one I've
Might have had like
Different remixes
Or different versions
Of different things
The Apple Music one's
Got a load of stuff on there
We
Yeah
We're using my CD
Record label
EMI in the UK
Capital
In Geffen
In the US
And it was
EMI in Japan
Recorded at
Great Lindford
Manor Studios
Which is where
Skunkinansi
Okay
Recorded as well
I didn't know that
In Milton Keynes
Is it really?
And that's where
I made that famous statement
That Milton Keynes
Doesn't sound rock and roll
And then you reminded me
That Marshall
Based
In Milton Keynes
Yeah
So I retract
My previous
Statement
Milton Keynes
Is rock and roll
After all
Produced by
Andy Taylor
Off of Duran Duran
And we discovered
He's awesome
And it was mixed
I did like good
Good production
I did loads of this stuff
The big rock stuff
I did
It was good
Yeah
And
Yeah
Because we did
The Almighty last week
So if you like this kind of stuff
And you're picking this up
Now
Last week we did
The Almighty
Which was
Which was really cool
The week before that
We did Therapy
Yeah
And the reason we're doing that
Is because
We've got quite a few
Listers in the America
We have
And the idea is
Is that
Some of you
Probably won't have heard
These bands
Yeah
We think
That
Or this is
This was my idea really
And so we'll see how
It pans out
But I
I have this funny feeling
That a ton of these bands
Were awesome
Yeah
And just got missed
But not because of
You know
People not being passionate
About music
But being missed
Because they were released
Here in the UK
Yeah
And the US labels
Were busy with
Guns N' Roses
And Nirvana
And Pearl Jam
And you know
All of the
These massive bands
That were
Doing things in the States
Yeah
And a lot of this stuff
Was just
It was just difficult
To compete with
So it got released here
It had
You know
A ton of backing
And a huge
Fan support
I guess
Here in the UK
And in Europe too
Yeah
But perhaps not
In the US
So
And we think
It's too good
Not to share
So
And these
These were albums
Of my youth as well
So we've got to
Got to share them a little bit
Yeah
It was recorded
At the power station
Again we've talked about
That before
That was
Yeah
Andy Taylor
Yeah
And then
It was mixed by
Mike Fraser
Off of Aerosmith
Yeah
And
Yeah
I don't know
I just think it's interesting
I think that
The tone from it
It's
It's got a British sound
To it to me
There's definitely
Something that's like
A cut above
Yeah
Like what some of the
Other British bands
Were doing
But it's definitely
Got a British tone
Yeah
It landed
At 21 on the UK
Album charts
Oh
It did chart in the US
114 on the US
Right
Billboard 200
It was certified gold
In the UK
Which means it sold
100,000 units
Yeah
So the number
I mean obviously
The UK is a lot smaller
Yes
Which is why everybody
Wanted to break the US
If you broke the US
Yeah
You took it millions
You got to go and buy
9-11s and stuff
Didn't you
If you broke the UK
You got pints in the pub
You got a free cheese sandwich
With Branston pickle on it
Yeah
Some crisps
If you break the US
You get whatever you want
Yeah
The band said it was
An amazing time
An amazing time to record
Lots of stories of the band
Just saying how
How much fun they had
Danny Bowes
Lead vocals
Luke Moore
Lead guitar
Yeah
Danny and Luke
Are usually the two
On the interviews
I hear them on the interviews
And I remember them
Back in the day
And they were just kids
You'd see them on TV
Interviewing for this album
And I don't know
They just look like
Same for the kids
But it sounds really mature
Isn't it
It does yeah
The songwriting
It's a really mature songwriting
They just look like
They were having such
A good time
Don't they
Do you know
But we did the almighty
Last week
And it reminds me of
Ricky Warwick
He just looked like
He was having the best time
Ever
When you saw him interviewed
Taking nothing
Seriously at all
Ben Matthews
Was the guitarist
Played piano
Organ
Also assisted with
Engineering
Mark a snake
Luckhurst
Was on bass
And Gary
Gary Harry James
Was drums
Yeah
Which was
Obviously
Which was
Pretty excellent
Recording
Started in 7th of August
1989
Which we've already
Talked about
Great Linford Manor
Which is
Which is excellent
Was analogue
So I guess
I don't know
90
Would anyone have
Doing digital stuff
In 90
Don't know
Probably effects wise
Maybe
Yeah
That's true
Maybe
It might have been
Bounced to doubt
Or something like that
Maybe
Where did I get to
Down here
Oh right
So
Other albums
That they did
So they did
Backstreet Symphony
In 90
Laughing on
Judgment Day
Which I really
Liked too
I thought that was
Again another
Absolutely banger
Of a record
Then they did
Behind Closed
Doors
In 95
The thrill
Of it all
In 96
And then there was
Like giving the game
Away
Shooting at the sun
And they did
Dopamine
In 2022
Again which I
Really liked
It was a really
Great record
Wonder Days
In 2015
Yeah
I loved that
That was
You said about
That one
Before
Yeah I kind of
That was where
I kind of re-engaged
With Thunder
So probably for me
Like probably the
Thrill of it all
I think was the
Last album that I
Physically bought
From Thunder
And you know
Would have had in
The car and stuff
And then probably
Disconnected from them
A little bit
For quite a while
And then it would
Have been Wonder
Days for me
In 2015
Charted in the UK
At number 9
Yeah
And then they did
Rip it up
And stuff after that
Which
Yeah again
Which is
Which is really cool
One of the reasons
Why I think our
US friends
May not have
Heard of this one
I'm going to give you
A list of albums
That were released
In 90
Right
So
Okay yeah yeah
Facelift by
Alice and Change
Yeah
Alice and Change
Rust in Peace
By Megadeth
Yeah
Painkiller by
Judas Priest
Empire by
Queensryche
Seasons in the Abyss
By Slayer
Which is the best
Slayer album
And Persistence of Time
By Anthrax
Which is another
Underrated album
Massive
Shake Your Money Maker
By The Black Crow
That's what they were doing
Cowboys from Hell
By Pantaro
No Prayer from the Dying
By Iron Maiden
And Loudest Love
By Soundgarden
Yeah yeah
And you know
Trying to compete
There's not a lot of space
For a British band
And all that
I suppose
Judas Priest were British
Weren't they
But
They were already established
Yeah they were sort of
That post Maiden thing
Weren't they
I mean that's ten
Yeah
Ten albums
Yeah
So even if you release them
Once a month
You've not got much space
Left
Do you know what I mean
It's just like so difficult
To compete with
And then you'd have had
There was a bunch of
Hair metal albums
That would have been
Because they were
Relentlessly coming out
Yeah
And you'd still got like
Hangovers of
Appetite for Destruction
Yes
Which would have still
Been out in the charts
Yeah yeah yeah
It was just such a tough time
I think to
Like get anything coming out
Thrash was at its peak then
There's a lot of those
Thrash records
You know the Megadeth records
Slayer
And the kind of
That's like the
Polar opposite of this
Production
Yeah this bluesy
Yeah exactly
So it kind of
Almost wasn't fashionable
Like glam and hard rock
Is kind of winding down
Yeah
Thrash is at its peak
Yeah
And you know
Grunge is just seeping
Grunge is just bubbling
Yeah yeah yeah
So
Singles from the album
You know this
Some of these tracks
Are quite long
Yeah yeah
So like Love Walked In
625
Yeah that's all
The song should be
I think that's
You know
You put another 10 minutes
On that
To be fair
Some of these
I could listen to
On repeat
Yeah
But I have to say though
That love
That doesn't feel like
A 620 to me
625
Yeah it doesn't feel like that
You know what I mean
Like you know
When it's a good song
Yeah
When you've got a song
That's well crafted
And well written
Yeah
It can be 6 and a half minutes
And you don't feel like it
It's phenomenal
But singles
She's So Fine
Dirty Love
Backstreet Symphony
And Love Walked In
And Give Me Some Loving
Yeah
Give Me Some Loving
It's a Steve Winwood cover
Isn't it
It's Steve Winwood
Yeah
It's 3 minutes 51
And for me
That's the
Almost like this
This version of that
Steve
This is like the definitive sound
That I have in my mind
Of that song
Ah
So whenever I hear
Like the original
Yeah
Which is more organ
And more kind of
That kind of thing
I relate more
With like this sound
The bigger guitar
Kind of thing
This is like a lot of
Covers
This is where I heard it
First
Right
Okay
Yeah
You know
And there's
There are covers
That you
I didn't know
It was a cover
For years
You know
Because when you're like
16
You don't care do you
No no
You're just like
Whatever
Yeah
Yeah I don't know
Hey!
Well, my temperature's rising and my feet are on the floor
Twenty people knocking cause they want to sign more
Let me in, baby, I don't know what you got
But you better take it easy, this place is hot
And I'm so glad we made it
I'm so glad we made it
You gotta give me some lovin'
Give me some lovin'
Give me, give me some lovin'
Give me some lovin'
Every day
Come on
Well, I feel so good, everything is shining hot
Better take it easy cause the place is on fire
Feelin' our heart dead, I don't know what to do
Wait a minute, baby, it could happen to you
I'm so glad we made it
You gotta
Give me some lovin'
Give me, give me some lovin'
Give me some lovin'
When I feel so good, everybody's getting high
When it turns easy, cause the place is so high
Real hard day, nothing went too good
Now I'm gonna relax, honey, everybody's chillin'
I'm so glad we made it
Come on, give me some lovin'
Give me some lovin'
Give me, give me some lovin'
Give me some lovin'
Every day
Give me some lovin'
Give me, give me some lovin'
That's right
Give me
Give me some lovin'
I mean, it's funny really, because we were a song short
I mean, we decided that we were missing a song, so that's how give you some lovin' came to be on now
But that kind of now, I listen to that now, and I adore the original, I'm a massive fan of Steve Woodward and Spencer Davis, who's a great band, but ours has got a kind of energy about it, which I think is really good.
And yeah, so yeah, the whole album worked really well, just a good set of circumstances, it didn't take long to make, it took about four weeks, I think, but I think the thing is that the salient point here is that we couldn't have made that album as quickly and efficiently and had as much fun doing it had we not been through the Terraplane experience.
But yeah, really, really good.
I also remember the video for Dirty Love, it's just, it's properly of the, it's of kind of the 80s, more than the 90s, I think, but it's on that verge, but it's got the band like kicking, it's like a wedding thing and there's like some girls in there talking.
The Thunderbirds.
Yeah, and then, and then they're, um...
I love that, the Thunderbirds, they're the names of the kind of groupies and the people that were hanging around.
Yeah, but then the band are just walking on these tables kicking, you know, it's properly kind of, it's like a hair metal video, but the band are looking really cool and playing that, so yeah, it's worth checking.
Oh, and that's the, I tagged that video in the blog, if you go to riffology.co, as usual, this is, and all this facts are in there as well.
I also, the song meaning in lyrics, um, most of it's pretty straightforward, but what I like about it, there is kind of this, um, Britishness to it, which again, I wonder if probably didn't help the translation to the US, although we talked about before we came on air, that, like, the hair metal bands are talking about the strip, and, and, um, you know, you've got a lot of bands talking about the area that they're in, and it seems to translate okay, so.
So, I don't know, I think, I think it, I think it's a good song, it's a good song, right?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's just a great song, it's just an absolutely great song, um, uh, right, where did I get to next?
Oh, promotion on this, so, uh, Backstreet Symphony, uh, they were out everywhere, it was, uh, uh, loads of airplay on MTV Europe and UK music shows.
Yeah. Um, there was a, a video album, Backstreet Symphony, the videos featuring the promo clips and live footage, and they did that massive show at Monsters of Rock in 1990, which must have been to, like, I don't know, a million people.
Yeah, the bit, the bit that gets me about this, the Monsters of Rock, uh, and now Download, is that it's down the road from us.
Yeah.
Like, like, we could, we could literally drive there in about 20 minutes, you know, where, and from where we are. And it's almost like a hallowed ground for rock music, isn't it?
Yeah, yeah.
We were applying the kind of old, very old-fashioned rule of rock and roll, which is sort of from the 70s, really, which is that, you know, you know, if you play rock music, you probably won't get on the radio, so you've got to go and play on it.
So that's what we did. We just went and played. And, uh, EMI, to their credit, uh, at the time, you know, because obviously there's no way we could have made a profit because we didn't have an audience when we started.
So they invested heavily in that aspect and they, they, they, they saw the sense in it and they, they, they kind of embraced the philosophy and, um, and it paid off because we, somewhat, we knew we were good live bands.
So we knew that if we could get in front of people, um, we could convert. And, um, so that's basically what we did, but we didn't realize quite how far we'd gone, um, until we did that show at Donington, because, as I said, we'd support with other people.
And I think at that point, we, I don't think we'd headlined anything bigger than about a thousand, maybe. Uh, and so when we went on the stage, when we took the stage there, it was, uh, I was absolutely, it's the last, I've never been nervous since actually. That was the last time I was ever nervous.
80,000 people in daylight, that will, but as soon as I hit the ref, she said fine, I looked up and the hands were up right to the back.
80,000 people in daylight, um, yeah, yeah, fucking hell. And there was this huge release of energy and we all felt it in the band. It was like, fuck, this is it. This is our moment. And, um, and that, that was honestly the, the quickest 45 minutes of my life.
It just buying a flash. And we all came off absolutely leaping with energy. And our, our, um, our tour manager was a very sage character, a guy called Roger Searle.
Roger had seen everything in rock and roll at that point. You know, he'd worked for the Who for years. And, uh, he just wandered in our dressing room.
He was always very low key and we were like, fuck in the world. He went, well, I'm boys. He said, I think we've had it away on our toes. Yeah. Weird thing. It was, it was a very sort of special day.
And then we went, uh, back to the hotel. We were staying in a hotel in Nottingham. And I remember Spike from the Quiet Boys saying, can I come back to you? Sure. I said, I said, yeah, cool.
So he came back on the bus with us and he said, I thought you guys were fucking amazing. And that's kind of the beginning of a long friendship. I'm still very good mates with Spike. The net effect of everything we'd done in the nine months to a year before that, it all kind of came out on that. That was like, Jesus Christ. Lots of people know who we are. And it was, uh, yeah, quite a moment.
It got me like when we, when we did Bloodstock last year, cause you and I both went to Bloodstock and then on the Monday of Bloodstock, um, I ended up biking, um, Lemmy's Ashes from Bloodstock's Rock City.
Oh yeah, I remember you doing that. So there's, there's this, there's this thing about this area where we're based, which is kind of like the mid, you know, the broad smack bang in the middle of the UK, really in the Midlands. And, um, there's a huge rock heritage, like Birmingham down the road with Sabbath. Yeah. There's, you know, um, this thing going on with,
Nepal. Yeah. Yeah. And then there's the bit with, um, you know, Rock City. Yeah. With, um, Bloodstock with download. And this is all, all of those things are within 20 minutes of us. They are half an hour, maybe, you know, and it's crazy really. And, uh, where was I going with that? Can't remember. Oh, uh, because, because, um, because of the download thing and because the monsters rock thing. Yeah. Like this is, this is huge. This is huge, huge rock heritage.
I remember seeing those videos that were recorded at monsters rock. I mean, there was like the guns and roses, guns and roses video. Was it paradise city? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There's tons of video footage of monsters rock for, for that, uh, that single. And it is weird. It's kind of like, that's just down the road. Yeah. Yeah. You kind of feel, feel a bit, a bit to it, which is really cool. Yeah. I remember when we went before we went and we, I think we were watching slipknot, um, download one year.
Oh. And then we got in your car and got home in 20 minutes and went to bed. Yeah.
Not got to do it in a tent, which is always nice. It's great. Um, but they did, they, they, they did tour a lot as well. They, they were out doing European tours. They toured with heart. Um, I didn't know this, but they toured with love, hate.
Oh, wow. In Germany, in the Netherlands in July. We did, we, we covered, um, oh, did we do blackout in the red room or wasted in America? We did.
Blackout in the red room. We did. Uh, but I love, love, hate. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I just think they're such an underrated band. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But really some, they've got that kind of bluesy swagger. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's kind of very hard, rocky, but it's still kind of like very, very cool. Um, uh, the, the, the, the castle Donington. So the monsters of rock, uh, was 80,000 people. Yeah. Um, with Aerosmith White.
Snake Poison and the Choir Boys. Um, yeah, just absolutely phenomenal. I think they, they did, um, tons of, oh, they're, uh, they opened for Black Sabbath in, in, on the Scandinavia tour. Um, so yeah, they, they, they got, I think this reputation for being a phenomenal live band.
And, uh, yeah. And I, um, there, there are countless people that talk about hearing thunder, um, supporting like much bigger bands.
And being the, and being the standout. Yeah. Yeah. Um, uh, yeah.
I think they realized that as well. Yeah. I think they knew that. Yeah.
Yeah. I think you, I think you're probably right. Um, other things that happened in 1990 on my fact sheet.
Yes. Um, Nelson Mandela was released. Germany was reunified. David the Hasselhoff did that. Do you remember David Hasselhoff off of Knight Rider and Baywatch?
No? No. Oh God. You're, so this is, this is a bit, sometimes stuff will happen. And like, cause I'm Gen X and you're millennial. I kind of think, you know, all the things.
Yeah. No, no, no. So in 1990, so Germany, you know, after the world war, it was chopped in half and it was the Berlin wall. Um, in 1990, they brought it back together again.
Yeah. Yeah. I remember that. I actually remember that happening. Yeah. They were like, oh, you know, this is a bit stupid. Let's just leave Germany. Why if we've got a wall in the middle? So they got rid of that.
Yeah. Um, the bit that happens more often than not, there's one in Cyprus as well. Yeah.
There's loads of places where there's just a wall in the middle of the capital city or whatever.
The bit that I loved about it was, uh, so it was this huge, amazing thing. And it's full of like Germans connecting with people that they've not seen for forever. Yeah. And, and, you know, just this kind of, like the hope was, and it was just incredible. Um, and then David Hasselhoff appeared and reunited Germany.
And he, um, he had, he had out, he was, he, so he was in Knight Rider.
Yeah. I remember him in that.
And then he did Baywatch.
I didn't know he did that.
With Pamela Anderson.
Yeah.
I quite like, I was a massive crush on Pamela Anderson.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
And she's back in the, the press now, isn't she?
Yes.
Like refusing to wear makeup and stuff. And she looks great now.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
You know, there's lots of people being cruel about her and I think they're dickheads.
Yeah.
So leave the girl alone.
Yeah. Um, anyway, so they did that, uh, and then, but then he did, um, he did music. He did like soft rock.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
I'm not sure how you would describe it, but German soft rock.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
That's, I don't know, not offensive to anybody, but, um, it wasn't very good.
Um, it was like a German Brian Adams.
Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, that's probably not good either. Anyway.
But Brian Adams is good.
Yeah. No, he's brilliant. I love Brian Adams.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like, uh, I don't know what the word.
Craig McLaughlin. Yeah. Like if you, if you, if you got Brian Adams from Teemu, that's where I'm going.
Okay. Yeah. Yeah. And he took his top up a lot. It was like, every time you saw, uh, the Hasselhoff, he took his top off. Anyway, he was there.
Yeah. And, and so, so Germany's just been reunified after like loads of years. So many stories of like families being like split.
And just incredible story. And the press ran with David Hasselhoff with his top off singing one of his songs. And I love the idea that I like when the aliens come, um, they'll look back at the history and they'll listen to this show, obviously.
Yeah. Um, and David Hasselhoff is his, Oh, actually when the AI could look in 50 years time, the AI will do everything. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
So it will go back and it won't know really. So, but it'll, it'll listen to the transcript of this show. Yeah. Realize that we are the gospel.
I'll say that David Hasselhoff reunited Germany and then it will tell everybody that that's what happened. But that's what it felt. It was weird. That's what it felt like at the time. It felt like David Hasselhoff just appeared with this leather jacket and nothing on underneath. Imagine a leather jacket with no top on underneath it. He did that with his tight leather trousers and reunited Germany.
That is what happened. Um, so anyway, so that happened. Yeah. Um, Tim Berners-Lee. Yeah. Yeah. Did the internet man. Yeah. So he, he, uh, a, yeah. So he created that. Um, first McDonald's in Moscow. Really? Yeah. Or Moscow. Yeah. Which, um, can't imagine that.
That's where all the problems started, wasn't it? Yeah. Putting McDonald's in Moscow.
Fast forward. That might be one of the problems in, in the world. Yeah. McDonald's. Yeah. Everywhere.
As soon as it comes up, that's it. Yeah. Trade walls.
Didn't they take it? Somebody, um, I, I have quite a lot of Russian friends. Yeah. So I was a mathematician before, before I got a proper job. And then, um, when I got my proper job in IT, I got given loads of maths problems to solve.
Um, so the maths experts in my company are, they're all in the US, but they're all Russian. Okay. Right. Right. Right. Right. And so they, I, they're really quite good. It's, I always think it's really fascinating to get the perspective of what's going on and how they, they think of the world. Um, but yeah, I, uh,
They, they agreed. They said it was when the McDonald's came. Yeah. Yeah. It was fine until McDonald's came and then, and then we all lost a chest to that computer and it's all been rubbish, rubbish.
Oh, here's another topic. Never play Russians at chess. Okay. Are they demons? I know it sounds, it sounds stereotypical, doesn't it? Yeah. Like don't go drinking with hair metal bands. Don't play Russians at chess. Um, and don't go anywhere with David Hasselhoff. He'll only take his top off. Um, I forgot my record. Oh yeah. Right. So, so yeah, McDonald's in Moscow. Oh, that's a good joke that everyone missed. Did you hear that? Well, David Hassel take his top off. David Hassel take his top off.
Have you been working on that? Yeah. Um, right. Some facts about the album that you might not know. Um, so the cover art was by Luke Morley. The concept was by Luke Morley. Yeah. Guess who did the initial sketch? Luke Morley. His mom. His mom. Yeah.
That's great. I think this is probably what sets British rock bands apart from the US rock bands. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Although, do you know, I mean, I'm sure there are equal stories, but I just. Yeah. Yeah. No, that's great. Yeah. Yeah. Somebody's, I bet, I, I bet like, um, Luke's mom came into the studio with sandwiches. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Mom, could you draw this? Yeah. All right.
Oh, go on then. Oh God. I really hope we managed to get him on the show. Eat your cheese sandwich.
He can tell us the story of his mom bringing sandwiches and.
I just make stuff up. Just, we just make it up. And then, and then it's just fact then.
Once it's on the internet, um, it's just fact. Um, yeah. And other things we've covered most of this already, uh, in, in, in, in my thing, but that was the bit that was fun. Uh, um, uh, five singles. Um, the highest was Love Walked In.
Yeah. Yeah. Such a good song.
I can't find any.
The thing is, is it, it's such a good song that you kind of like skip that one. Cause you know, that one's dead good.
Yeah. There are some like at the time I probably would have done. Yeah. Yeah. I did one of the lovely things.
I know that one. That's dead good. But I want to dive into these others now.
One of the lovely things about going back and rediscovering these records is that you, even the stuff that was overplayed at the time.
Yeah. You don't like when we did the black album from Metallica, that is just so much of that has been overplayed over the years, but going back and listening to it now, you're like, Oh, actually.
Yeah. Yeah. You get a bit of freshness.
Yeah. There's definitely, there's definitely a bit of that. Um, we talked about why the band didn't,
break America. And that was all because of little angels and Geffen pushing them instead of thunder.
And by the time they did get back to thunder, um, everyone was, uh, in Seattle crying into their shoes about their feelings.
It's very popular. This isn't it now? Yeah. Um, so yeah.
They do it on the internet now.
We can cry over, cry over your feelings on the internet.
Oh God. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Loads of that.
While you wonder about your gender.
Yeah.
You could decide your gender while you were crying into your shoes.
Yeah.
But I mean, it's that, I mean, as much as I make fun of it, there was just a very different vibe in like 92.
Yeah.
Than there was in 89.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
You know, the, the, the, in, in the late eighties, you'd got hair metal and, and a hard rock was, was king.
It was just the biggest thing ever.
And everybody was talking about, you know, it was the excess.
Yeah.
And then over that flip over from the late eighties to the early nineties, you had Guns N' Roses, I suppose, who were, I mean, interestingly to me, they're kind of not, although they were lumped in with the hair metal bands, they were more punky.
They were just like, we hate all of you, you know, we don't care. And you know, it was, they were just, uh, uh, they didn't feel to me like they fitted in that, um, hair metal scene.
Yeah. Um, and then, and then by like 91, 92, you, you, you, you know, you got alt rock and, and grunge where you got grunge really kind of in full swing at that point.
And then it moved on into alt rock.
Yeah.
And so, you know, uh, hard rock bands would, would just not popular.
Yeah.
So labels were not going to, not going to fund them.
Yeah.
Um, but it was all Toby Jepson's fault off of Little Angels.
Um, I'm sure Toby Jepson's one of the nicest guys, Luke Moore, the Thunderboys and like Toby, they're just the nicest people on, on, on the planet.
Toby Jepson's actually doing a bunch of stuff about the making of, and the stories behind that time in history of how they got popular and, and, um, what it felt like to be a kid in the back of a van and having a record label and having a tour set up for you.
You know, and people, you know, going to exotic places like, you know, like Bath or, do you know what I mean, or wherever.
And, and never having been there before, probably couldn't put a pin in it on the map and people would turn it up to see you.
Yes.
Um, and it's, it's, it's lovely listening to him talk about that.
So, um, so yeah, very, very good.
Um, obviously Thunder's still going there, which is, which is excellent.
Yeah.
Um, yeah, and that's it for facts, I think.
Um, yeah, no, that's it.
That is all of the facts.
Although I have looked on our blog and it has given me this fantastic idea of what we should do next.
Really?
Yes.
Oh, I'll reveal that later.
So what you can do is while you're listening to the last little bit of the blog, before we get around to actually saying what's going to be coming next.
You could go on the blog at riffology.co, find the album and have a scan through it and see if you correct.
Yeah, if you, if you find the Thunder album and then if you, it's literally, it says next and the album it says to read next.
Yeah.
I don't know how it does its magic.
I didn't write, so a lot of the code on our blog, I wrote it.
Yeah.
Um, there's a thing that I've obviously switched on at some point, which gives you, recommends the next one.
I don't know how it does that.
But it's dead good.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So, but, but it's, yeah, it's, it's landed properly on the right next album.
I think the right next album.
So let's listen to a song.
What's your favourite one off it?
Oh, good God.
Um, I'm going to go and look at the track list because, uh, so I love She's So Fine.
I, I think I'd go with Dirty Love.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Um, and as much for the video as anything else, but I, yeah, there's just something super cool about this.
And for me, it's Until My Dying Day.
Yeah, that wasn't a single.
No, I absolutely love it.
I absolutely love it.
Very songwriter.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I think that's, that's kind of, that's one of the ones on the album that I think, although it might not be quite as immediate.
No, it's, yeah, it's the one you get to later.
Yeah, yeah.
It's, it's a, it's a song that you know has been, it's a written song.
Yes.
It feels, you know what I mean?
Quite clearly, um, it, it was written by somebody who knew how to craft a song.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
You know, it's got, it's, and it doesn't feel as long as, as it, it is.
It's, it's, it's a big beastie.
It is, it's lovely as well.
I can see the fading sun, sinking at the edge of town, and it's one more day that's gone.
I'm thinking about the past, and the time that slipped away, but I can't change what I've done.
Chasing after foolish dreams I should have let go, but I just can't seem to stop
I don't deserve your loving, baby I don't know why you stay
There's a child within the man, and it's keeping me keeping on
Yet you always understand, the future can't be planned
But I'm gonna keep fighting on, while I've still got two strong hands
Or maybe I'll chase someday
Or maybe I'll chase those dreams away
I need you by my side, now baby
Cause you're the prize that I won't be
Girl, you're the only one to light a fire inside me
You're the only one that can make me feel this way
I wanna stay with you forever
I'll never let you go
Until my dying day
Oh!
I don't know why you're the only one that can make me feel this way
You're the only one that can make me feel this way
Chasing out the foolish dreams
I should've let go, but I just can't seem to stop
I don't deserve your loving, baby
And I don't know why you're the only one that can make me feel this way
Hey, baby, you're the only one to light a fire inside me
You're the only woman that can make me feel this way
I wanna stay with you forever
I'll never let you go
Until my dying day
I don't want to stay with you forever
I don't know why you're the only one that can make me feel this way
I don't deserve your loving, baby
I don't know why you're the only one that can make me feel this way
I need you by my side now, baby
Cause you're the only one that can make me feel this way
You deserve your loving, baby
I don't know why you're the only one that can make me feel this way
Right, go on then, go on then, go on then, go on then, what's next, what's next, what's next?
Well, as we were discussing the reasons why Thunder were not mega in the US
We mentioned that their record label, the US record label, Geffen, who also handled the Little Angels
So it was all Toby Jepsen's fault
Yes
And I thought we should do a Toby Jepsen album
So their most popular album was...
Is it Little Angels?
Yeah
Their most popular album was, I think, Jam
But I think their best album is an album called Young Gods from 1991
Right, so the year after this one
Yeah, and yeah, so yeah, yeah, so 1991
I adore this album, I think, I don't know how best to describe it
But it's, there's just something like super special
Similar to Backstreet Symphony that we've covered today
It's just like perfect
There's no, there's no, there's no slow bits in it
There's no bits in there that you think don't fit
It's just a band on fire
They were just phenomenal
Toby Jepsen's voice is just excellent
There's like, there's still a Britishness to it
I think slightly, probably slightly less British than Thunder
Yeah, yeah
But they, yeah, the band just have this
I don't think they were on fire at this point
Just absolutely phenomenal
Lots of backing and just banger after banger
And probably a record you've never heard
Never heard it, no
And again, I think similarly with lots of our US listeners
Won't have heard this one
But it's a, again, it's one of those
It's kind of a hard rock album
But it's full of songs, you know what I mean?
It's full of these songs that will
It'll certainly do to me anyway
They just kind of pull you in
Yeah, yeah
And there's some storytelling
And yeah, I don't know
It's a really dynamic record
I don't know who produced it
I don't know where it was recorded
I do know I've got lots of copies of it
I've got it on CD
I've got two copies of this on vinyl
Yeah, yeah, yeah
I don't think it was ever repressed
It's on the floppy vinyl
So if you ever, if anybody
For anybody that's new to vinyl
If you pick up one of the represses
And it's, they're quite stiff
The 180 gram vinyl
You could take someone's head off
If you flung it on
The original vinyl back from the day
Yeah, yeah, yeah
You pick it up there
It was quite floppy
It wasn't, do you know what I mean?
It wasn't super rigid
And it's got a funny
It's got a smell, cardboardy smell to it
Nice
But yeah, it's a stunning record
Lovely cover as well
Yeah, looking forward to it
But I think that's what we should do next
Which is Young Gods by Little Angels 1991
Toby Jepsen
Because Toby Jepsen ruined Thunderscreen
Cool, cool, cool
Love you, bye