G-e-e-e-e-e-n-a
you sound like eddie vedder eddie vedder chris cornell all the pearl jam boys
um temple of the dog like a party isn't it yes it's um i have to say this album um i i always
know about this album but it wasn't an album i listen to very regularly same oh we're rithology
by the way rithology yeah you're neil i'm chris yeah rithology this used to be called monster shop
now rithology loads more listeners america now america like us yeah i don't know it must be
trump he did it no i'm sorry if you don't like trump or if you do i don't know i don't know
what's going on in the world if you know what's going on in the world right and tell us because
we haven't got a clue um we do albums yeah every every week every week and we've only had in my
knowledge yeah two weeks where we haven't because we've been poorly been sick yeah and we're old men
now so we're allowed to be a bit poorly yeah which is fine um but so every monday uh yeah see
we're doing really well this is great we've never done this before we normally there's 10 minutes of
rambling before we even get this stuff in is what did we do last week we did uh we did audio slave
we did audio slave with the chris cornell yeah and lindsey wrote in to tell us you should do temple
of the dog yes yeah yeah and we spoke about this at the end of last week as well we did so if you
want to hear the story of this yes continuity yes end of last week's show and then but anyway lindsey
do temple of the dog and i thought yeah that's dead good yeah and then it hit me i probably not listened
to it for like 10 years i you know i've never listened to this album in full really never not
until this week wow until we said i've like i've there's songs that i like there's you know my
favorite i think is reach down there's there's also we'll talk about that a bit um there's all
sorts of cool stuff on it i like it how it feels like it's a big jam with singing on it that's my
favorite thing about it yeah yeah it's got it's it's a proper weird album it's got it like it's got
that it's got that feel to it um produced by the band pretty much it's got in i think i love the
the production of this it's got a lovely sound to it um it's an album that sounds really good on
speak you know we talk we quite often talk about headphone albums this is a really i think this is
a really great album yes a rock and roll it's kind of a must have pushed them out yes rock album it
sounds sounds great on speakers i think this one does um i i love the story behind this now this is
where i have to stop you straight away oh go on i'm not very clear you know i'm not very good at time
yeah this i'm not i can't understand the timeline of where this happened
so this this was 90 1990 it came from essentially the band are like um it's mother love bone
essentially with chris cornell but i didn't know if it was like see this is the thing like where was
where does it fit like with the bands because i thought it was before everything and then in one
of the interviews it said no no no this is like after sound garden come off tour yeah and this thing
happens sound garden wood touring yeah um but then you have to bear in mind that like and then there's
mother love bone and then that's another and then there's temp i don't i don't then there's a sound
garden and then pearl jam and then so they're all the same sort of seattle thing aren't they they are
yeah i think that's it they're just all mates weren't they yeah so so temple of the dog came out of
mother love bone essentially and their singer andrew wood died he was a roommate of chris cornell
when sound garden got off tour actually um the last time when they went out for odd and love they got
off tour and it was right after andy had died and um and chris had written a couple songs about andy
and and played them for me and jeff and said you know if you guys want to you know help get together
and record these songs with me it'd be great i think in that sense i think we're more proud of it than
anything because it was like no pressure and we just went in and we just did it and we didn't like
think about it too much and we left a lot of stuff really just kind of the way it was and it's pretty
jammy and and it's a record that it's just a great record right he died of a heroin overdose and
cornell was out on tour with sound garden and was just a little bit sad and a bit you know i'm a bit
bit annoyed about this time sound garden weren't dead massive were they no no no nothing none of
them were big yeah yeah but i mean like they weren't like no no no they weren't yeah yeah mega mega big
and that's interesting because it impacts this album okay yeah so um so it all came from andrew wood
um so he passed chris was out on tour he wrote some songs uh then came back and showed them to the
almost like a grief thing yeah to the mother love bone guys right um and then the mother love bone
guys yeah were basically pearl jam eventually yeah come become become yeah i guess you know seeing this
band might help somebody feel differently about it or maybe you know more uplifted about it if they were
if they were uh upset about how mother love bone ended but personally i i look at pearl jam as being
like a real uh inspiring force musically so um i think other people will probably do the same you know
i think for everyone that had to experience the tragedy everybody has turned around to experience uh
something really inspirational things like this have to happen so as a group people can focus and be
together and be strong as one and and i think that's happening without conventions like this i
think i think that's happening at the shows so they they kind of go well i want to do a single i think
i want to do a single i want to do something in support i want to do something in in memorial kind of thing
and that's what then so they started to jam and then that became temple of the temple of the dog and
then and then that became an album they were going to do a single and that became an album and then you know
uh like eventually uh what came out of those two tracks that chris wrote so that was reach down and
say hello to heaven um we started with say hello to heaven we had a bit of that yeah it's such a good
song yeah um so uh uh that becomes this album essentially um but there's some lovely bits in
here that absolutely blew me away when i hadn't realized until i was kind of doing the research and
reading for this um but uh so the mother love bone guys are trying to get another band together so
they're they're in in the process of this this isn't like oh let's have a band with chris cornell
right yeah yeah this is like we're searching we're in limbo we don't really know what's happening yeah
they're all just kind of mates in there so the mother love bone guys are thinking do you know what we're
we're gonna pull another band together we don't really know what we're gonna do
but we know we're gonna do something so they start looking for other singers and they invite eddie at
the point that they're jamming for this with chris yeah they invite eddie vedder up to try out for the
band yeah and because of kind of how things were in seattle at the time they're all just mucking about
and hanging out yeah so eddie vedder ends up in the studio with this singing on this while they're
yeah yeah while they're jamming and while they're recording on this stuff
but i can't feed all the foulness when my cup's already overfilled
yeah
but it's on the table the fire's cooking
and they're farming babies while slaves are working
the blood is on the table and the mouths are choking
I'm born hungry. I don't mind stealing bread from the mouths of decadence.
But I can't feed on the powerless when my cup's already overfillin'.
But it's on the table the fire's cookin'.
And the farmin' babies and the slaves are out workin'.
And it's on the table the mouths are chokin'.
But I'm goin' hungry.
I'm goin' hungry.
guitar solo
Stealing bread
I don't mind
Stealing bread
I'm going hungry
And so at that point
you've got Chris Cornell
on what would become
all a Pearl Jam
all in one place
But there was no Pearl Jam
No
That's the other bit as well
because I thought
they'd taken
it was one of these
where I thought
they'd taken a break from that
and then they're all working
with Chris Cornell
and wear a sound garden
like what's going on
but so this is
timeline wise
if we're talking about
the saga
of Seattle grunge
and grunge music
so this is like
post Mother Love Bone
but pre-Pearl Jam
if we're looking
at those guys
It's really short though
Yeah yeah
it's within the space
of months isn't it
Yeah it is
so the thing that
blew me away
from this as well
so there are two things
First of all
Eddie Vedder's
never been recorded
on anything before
It's amazing
before this session
There's an absolutely
lovely bit in here
I'm just trying to find
the bit in my notes
where it talks about
a track called
Hunger Strike
where
They're going to play
that one in a bit
It's dead good isn't it
Yeah
Where Chris Cornell
is
Chris Cornell's
the lead singer
from this
and it's his idea
he's doing it
with the Mother Love Bone guys
but Eddie Vedder's
just kicking around
doing backing vocals
and just kind of
Just hanging out
Just kicking out
and having a good
laugh with them
They're doing this track
right
called Hunger Strike
and Chris is having
a hard time
figuring the
bottom registers
of the vocals
that can't figure out
what to do
Yeah
And so
Eddie Vedder
just does it
Yeah
And then
years later
Chris Cornell
would go on
to say that
it was
almost
telepathic
I had this
vision in
my head
of what I wanted
to do
and I couldn't
sing it
but I'm quite
a high register
guy
and I couldn't
but my voice
just wasn't
doing what I
wanted it to do
and Eddie
just heard me
trying to do this
and then just
It's almost like
the universe
passing the baton
It's mad
isn't it
just like
crazy
Yeah
The song knows
what it wants
to be
but it's got
to find its
vessel
to kind of
be transmuted
through
I like that
That's a nice
thing
Hunger Strike
is the first
song that
Eddie Vedder's
ever
Yeah
Trap vocals
on
Yeah
And that just
It shouldn't be
that mad really
I mean it's like
you know
there's got to
be a first
somewhere
But it's there
And that
that is
that is it
The other thing
that always
blows me away
It's like
it's like
but it's like
the drummer
in Dave Grohl's
band isn't it
you know what I mean
like suddenly
suddenly you're
playing drums
and Dave Grohl's
the drummer
like from Nirvana
Oh yeah
and all of a sudden
it's like
oh god
it's like this
Chris Cornell's
the singer
and then all of a
sudden you're
the guy who's
knocking around
and it's like
no no you're
doing the lead
vocal on this
Chris Cornell's
here
why do I need
to do
Chris Cornell's
voice
that was the
thing for me
with this
is
you sort of
want to hear
you want
sorry this is
awful
you want to hear
starting off
and not being
quite as good
yeah yeah
I know what you
mean
I know what you
mean
that progression
yeah yeah
something at the
beginning
and like
oh you know
but you hit this
and you go
oh no he always
had it
I think
yeah he was
just born
with it
I do love
the idea
that
Eddie Vedder
got a phone call
from the
Mother Love Band
guys
he's like
hey do you
want to come
up to Seattle
and do some
grunge
and he was like
yeah yeah
whatever
I guess when a
plane comes up
there does the
thing
and there's oh
we're doing a
recording thing
do you want to
come and have
a beer
and then
ends up
and essentially
Pearl Jam
fall out
of that
because Chris
Cornell goes back
and does the
Soundgarden thing
and then all of a
sudden there's
Pearl Jam
and then they're
sitting around
going oh well
yeah alright
and then
and then 10
happens
what
10 happened
4 months
so 10 was
released 4 months
after
Temple of the Dog
we've done 10
we haven't done 10
we've got to do 10
and I think that was
where I got to
with this
when as soon as
Lindsay said
you should do
Temple of the Dog
I thought that
leads straight
we've got to do 10
we have to do 10
that's it
we're right
what are we now
like 10 minutes
ish
yeah
and we've already
decided what's next
it feels like
we've never done this
this is normally
like the end
feels pretty mega
doesn't it
yeah no we've got to
do 10 next
that's it
that's vital
I think 10's got to
be one of those
albums that is
you know
like we
the show is
always meant to
be about
iconic albums
yeah
and it kind of
wavers a little bit
like because
I mean
I mean no
disrespect by this
but this album's
not an iconic album
no no no
there's so
like
probably
it will be for
someone of course
it will
two thirds of the
people that listen
to the show
I've never heard
of it before
yeah yeah
and then you know
and of course it is
like you say
it's big to some
people but
there are albums
like Back in Black
yeah yeah
where they're just
standards
yeah
millions and millions
of copies
they are iconic
they're just these
things that exist
and I think
10 is one of those
albums that is just
it's just
it's like a line
in the sand
of the universe
isn't it
it's just like
that's a moment
in time that was
there you know
and that's why
music's so amazing
to me
well there's a
another interesting
bit with this
I think with this
Temple of the Dog
album
when it was
released
I'm trying to find
the actual number
in my notes
but it's tiny
oh 70,000 copies
yeah yeah yeah
so Temple of the Dog
the band's
self-titled
debut album
was released
April 16th
1991
through A&M Records
and initially sold
70,000 copies
it's now sold millions
yeah yeah yeah
but they sold
70,000 copies
what's really interesting
is that later
they said
because you have to
bear in mind
they'd kind of
become Pearl Jam
yeah yeah yeah
before this album
had been released
so they'd done
the session
they'd recorded
Temple of the Dog
then like you know
the lads kind of
fell out of the studio
went to a bar
and went oh we're
Pearl Jam now
yeah yeah
and then Cornell's
bogged off back to
Soundgarden
so you've got
Pearl Jam
exists and they've
got a record deal
and they're recording
10
yeah
and this is coming
out and they said
well we should put
a Pearl Jam
sticker on the
Temple of the Dog
album to help
itself
so people know
who it is
people know who
we are and who
it is right
because I think
they were worried
oh well people
won't know who
Pearl Jam are
yeah yeah
that way
oh really
and so
the bit that's
really interesting
I know
the bit that's
amazing is that
then 10 gets
released
yeah
and now you've
got Pearl Jam
are now massive
yeah
and you've got
Soundgarden that
are massive
and then all of a
sudden this Temple
of the Dog album
which is a nothing
album is now a
super group
yeah yeah
and suddenly
gets reissued
and sells millions
of copies
because it's a
super group
because everyone
knows Soundgarden
and everyone knows
Pearl Jam
but it was all
before
and I think
that's where
the timeline
got
that's why
yeah yeah yeah
it's mad isn't
it
but most people
didn't pick it
up
until
92 probably
got reissued
in 92
so lots of
people picked
it up in 92
and not when
it was actually
so was that
that you said
about the four
months later
was it the
reissue
no
oh no
so it was
done again
so Temple
of the Dog
came out
in 91
April 16th
1991
I've not got
the date for
10 but it
was like
you know
tail end of
the summer
10 came out
and then
so that would
have been the
end of 91
and of course
then Pearl Jam
blew up in 92
as people go
oh actually
you know
return and alive
comes in
yeah
this is a bit
massive
yeah
and then
and then so
the record label
was like
hang on a minute
we've got this
thing here with
Soundgarden and
Pearl Jam
on it
let's do
something
that quick
let's wang that
out the door
again
what a great
word wang is
that's what they do
isn't it
that's what record
companies do
I've noticed
they just repress
anything at the
minute
so they're just
any old shit
can I just
just an observation
I've just made
yeah
because what you do
when you talk
is you put your
glasses on your head
can't see
and then
and then you put
your glasses down
yeah
when you're doing
the when you're
looking at your
notes
yeah
but it's
let me talk
this is really
funny
there's a
subconscious thing
when you put
your glasses down
yeah
I go into
listing modes
that oh his
glasses are on
oh he's now
telling the
he's now the
teacher
he's now
do you know
the worst thing
that ever happened
to me
I
so when
when I got to
50 I really
needed reading
glasses
and I can't
I'm used
I can't
I refuse to make
the font bigger
on my phone
obviously
oh mate
you've seen the
size of my
phones on the
screen
the size of
a house
I can't
I can't cope
and I was at
a conference
last year
and I was
doing the
keynote for
this conference
and if you've
never done this
kind of stuff
before what
happens is you're
on the stage
and you get
these monitors
yeah
right so you
get these big
monitors
and it's got
it's got your
text on it
right so
when you write
your talk
yeah
they'll kind
of roll
your notes
right
for me
they're just
bullet points
it's not like
you know
it's not like
verbatim
but I need it
right I'm getting
old enough now
that I forget
why I'm there
to be honest
talk about this
Neil
it is
it's literally
like talk about
this talk about
that and
anyway they did
it and set it
up with me
and it was all
great
but when they
set it up
I'd got my
glasses on
because I was
on the podium
thing and I was
fine I got my
glasses on and I
looked at the
thing and I'm
okay
and then
it dawned
on me that
as soon as I
looked out to
get eye contact
with the audience
yeah I can't
see a thing
it's just blurred
right because I
got my reading
glasses on
and then I
realised I'm in
shock that when
I take my
reading glasses
off I can't
read the notes
anymore and I'm
just like oh
what do I do
now
yeah yeah
so I literally
I had to I put
my reading glasses
on like five
minutes before when
I put my
reading glasses
on and then
did that verbatim
thing where I
was like regurgitating
the notes in
my head and
then my reading
glasses off so
there you go
I'm doing it
again in May and
I've asked them
to if they said
have you got any
requests to make
the font bigger
proper old man
isn't it
proper old man
we've got it now
where they've got
the thing where
they put it on
the heads up
display haven't
they
I don't know
yeah yeah so
they've got this
like projection
thing where
they'll put it
either you can't
see me we're
going to have
video super soon
yeah we're
talking about
for our birthday
yeah on the
something of May
9th of May
we're going to
have video
yeah we've said
it now on the
podcast
it doesn't mean
anything does it
so either side
of you so that
you're looking at
one and then
you're looking at
the other
yeah and then
they film you
but it looks like
you're talking to
the audience
oh so that's the
new thing that
they're doing like
like Trump's
speech is all
that you can see
it if you watch
Trump's speech
again yeah the
integration speech
is that what you
call it integration
is that it
inauguration yeah
yeah that yeah
so you you watch
him and you'll see
it you'll see it
he's reading
that side and
then he flips over
to the other side
and it from the
film it looks like
he's talking to
different people
in the group but
he's just reading
the different
displays I had to
remember mine
do you know what
you know like 20
years ago I could
write it once on a
plane and then
remember and I
wouldn't even have
to I just like
turn it walk on
still hungover
not slept for a
day and just do
it yeah and now
if I can't I'm
lost I have to go
three three things
without it being
written down did
I ever tell you
that story this is
going well off
piece I did the
story where I got
an award from
Steve Ballmer
once oh wow
right yeah yeah
and was he
dancing he was
not dancing no
and anyway there
were like four of
us that had won
these these like
global awards
and I was it
was one of the
first years that
I'd like done
like internal
talks yeah
um and I'd
been like dragged
over the coals
the year before
for doing
swearing so I'd
written on the
back of my hand
in thick black
marker do not
swear um and
anyway there's a
picture of me
receiving a really
fancy award from
Steve Ballmer
and then I shake
his hand and you
can see do not
swear on the back
of my hand and
it's like that
needs framing
that's brilliant
yeah
I got known as
the do not swear
guy I don't know
what that's got to
do with what we're
doing but um well
we we do very well
not swearing on the
podcast don't we
that's I'm quite
good at not swearing
I'm I'm I'm a bit
sweary sometimes and
I'm quite good I'm
very sweary I'm
quite I think I
think what I've
discovered is that I
need something to
make me swear yeah
and I think I'm
dead relaxed with
music music relaxes
me and I'm just
thinking about you
know you know when
we're doing these
things I kind of
imagine like I
mean as we're
talking about this
I'm imagining
like Temple of
the Dawn imagine
those boys in a
studio it's kind of
you know it's a
little bit dusty
smoky you know
it's hot it's
seattley it's you
know is seattle a
hot place no oh
well it's april in
seattle it would
have been uh I'm
thinking in a
studio is a hot
yeah oh yeah
no no yeah
it just smells of
smells of boys yeah
yeah um but
seattle is like
uk weather like
this right yeah it
was gray rainy um
and then slightly
more actually so
the reason I know
that I spent such
a lot of time
working in seattle
yeah it's a
cool place to
work actually but
uh so yeah
typically if it's
like 10 degrees
here like 10
degrees celsius I
don't know what
that is for our
american friends it's
like 400 degrees
fahrenheit so
like 7800 degrees
fahrenheit I was
going to say 10
degrees is like like
a bit cold yeah
yeah yeah it's like
not cold yeah yeah
a bit it's it's
telling you what it
is it's putting a
t-shirt on and no
no hoodie yeah and
then regretting it
like I'm doing today
yeah you are and it's
about 10 degrees
yeah yeah but the
temperature normally
when I fly out from
London it's roughly
the same when I land
in seattle always
yeah yeah and the
weather's the same and
it rains the same it
does like it feels the
same just mean it's
got the same rain
same it just the
weather in seattle is
the same as it is in
the uk got it yeah
makes sense always all
the time yeah I
don't know why that
is I have to say I
do like seattle it's
lovely but I um is it
quite an artistic
creative place yeah
it's lovely it's it's
uh I was it's like it
feels like a bit of
bohemian in places it's
quite cool there's a lot
of art there's a lot of
Bristol yeah Norwich
okay Norwich yeah
yeah yeah it's quite
cool um play I really
liked it there's I mean
there's the obvious
kind of touristy you
know um oh come here
mate I'll show you
where Kurt Cobain
lived yeah yeah there's
a bit of art yeah
which is a bit crappy
but but outside of that
obvious stuff it's just
a quite cool laid back
place yeah quite liked
it we I would always
land on the Saturday
and then like you
you know things would
kick off on a on a
Monday and on the
Sunday you could almost
walk down like the the
main streets in Seattle
and not like you
wouldn't see anybody it
was just like really
yeah really really kind
of a swad
swaddling cocked yeah
it was it it's like a
kind of um I was
I would say lazy like
sleepy kind of just
yeah yeah this but it's
I don't mean it in a
negative way no no no
it's just uh just cool
chill yeah I just I I
liked it quite a lot I
get the impression that
Portland's a bit like
that that sort of thing
I think that oh yeah
the Pacific Northwest in
general is just kind of
it's pretty liberal and
yeah yeah and and um
yeah it's a bit like it's
a bit like going back to
the 70s yeah yeah you know
what I mean it's kind of
it's quite retro in a in a
in a in a nice way if that
makes that makes sense um I
liked it um it'd be nice to
retire there if I could
afford I'd love to get a
house on the lake yeah um
out near Redmond and
so pretty cool nice so
I'm segwaying it back into
this oh god yeah what
were we doing uh podcast
is that is is that why
music comes out of pod
pocket out of Seattle like
is it about you know the
styling music that came
through yeah yeah the the
kind of grunge stuff that
scene that existed yeah is
is that a product of its
environment is that a
product of I know it's a
product of the industry so
it was it was a bit of a
yeah a bit of a you know
like a middle finger so
that that kind of like
really heavily produced
power metal it was yeah it
was it was really that I
mean that whole stuff was a
response it was a response
to like as as as like the
hair metal was a response to
prog rock and yeah what
would classic like an iron
major and all that stuff um
yeah the grunge scene was a
response to the strip it was
kind of like you know the
antithesis yeah yeah we're
not we're not going to do
our hair and yeah but we're
not even going to have a
bath yeah we're just going to
turn up you know I mean it
was that it was a radically
different wasn't it you spot on
um I do wonder actually whether
whether you know the the
culture in Seattle framed the
music or because it was there
was a big punk scene yeah in
Seattle prior um and and I
wonder if but I wonder if it
was kind of the grunge scene
you know change the
culture so yeah yeah do
you know what I mean it's
kind of where uh people like
yeah people that were alive at
that point in time even you
see them now they've really
embraced that um I guess that
culture of yeah stuff but there
must have been something there
there's something in the water I
think it's just kind of a yeah I'm
when the spoon is hot and the
needles shine
that the world in black is upon your
back and your body shakes so you put
your back and your body shakes so you put
it's just kind of a yeah and you close the
And close the shirts
That's how to do it
That's how to get your time
Yeah, you might do it
Then you can't change your mind
Oh
You gotta hold on to your time
'Til you break through an instant of
Trouble
When you try to talk
And the words get hard
And they've brought you down
Don't you stand
Mmm, don't get you away
I know you're swinging
Yeah, I'm swinging your mother's son
Oh
Yeah, yeah, yeah
I know you're playing
Oh, sometimes the words get hard
Oh
But if somebody left you
Out on the list
If somebody pushed you
Over the end
You gotta hold on to your time
And break through an instant of
Trouble
And you're trying to do it
You're trying to do it
Yeah, you're trying to do it
To live some love
Trouble
Temple of the Dog, years active. They were active from 1990 to '92, which I think is interesting. They've done various reunions and stuff since then.
It was released on the A&M label
Members Chris Cornell, Jeff Ament, Matt Cameron, Stone Gossard, Mike McCready and Eddie Vedder
Who is Pearl Jam plus Chris Cornell
Yeah, they could have written that in the whole thing
Pearl Jam never changed members, did they either?
No
It was that all the way through
Yeah, I don't think they have
No
No, you're right
Yeah
Wow
Yeah, yeah
There can't be many bands
No
That have never changed members
No
I'm trying to think of any other bands
Didn't somebody go off and do some stuff with Soundgarden for a bit, maybe?
There was a bit of mucking about with the drummers
Yeah, I think so
But I don't think they left
I think they were just like
No, no, no, it was just an in addition
Yeah
Yeah, they were all just mates, aren't they?
Yeah
So, yeah, which is a little bit weird
Anyway, the album started with two tracks "Reach Down and Say Hello to Heaven" from Chris Cornell written about the death of his friend Andrew Wood
What else have I got in here?
Oh, the album was recorded in 15 days
Yeah, yeah, you can hear that
You can hear that it was a very concentrated, time together type thing
Well, there's a lovely bit in the Wikipedia page where Cornell says there was no expectations or pressure
No one was expecting anything from us
Yeah, yeah
We were doing this, it was kind of a cathartic thing
It just felt good and we were all having a good time
Yeah
But it just happened, yeah, it just happened quickly
So, yeah, there was no real pressure on them
They just got through quickly
We talked about already the "Hunger Strike" track is the first time you hear Eddie Vedder sing on a record ever
Which is, and it's such an amazing song as well
Yeah
That one to me sounds very Pearl Jamming
Yeah, yeah, yeah
That's kind of for where they would
Yeah, I mean, you know, I said I said I think before we started recording that actually it sounds like
It sort of sounds like two different, a different band to Soundgarden and Pearl Jam
Yeah, yeah, yeah
But actually, that one in particular
Yeah
Is very much Pearl Jam with Chris Cornell on additional vocals
That's what you're hearing on that for sure
It's the bit where you hear Eddie Vedder's voice
Yeah
You hear the impact Eddie Vedder's voice has on the sound which I think is pretty excellent
Yeah
And it's about ten minutes long as well
It is, it's a very long song
In the-
Oh no, not that one, sorry
No, "Reach Down" is the long one, isn't it?
Yeah, oh, the second track
Yeah, yeah, yeah
That's like eleven minutes long, it's your kind of song
Yeah, I like that one
Oh, I listened to Steven Wilson finally as well
Oh, did you?
Yes
For those, I've been screaming at Chris for three weeks now to listen to Steven Wilson
I'll put it on and I was like, "Oh yeah, I'm like, wow, yeah, that's cool"
Yeah
There's no beginning and end to me
No, no, it's wicked
It's like space rock, isn't it?
Yeah, it's totally cool
It's just swirly and
Yeah, 'cause I had one of the Porcupine Tree albums in a car that I had
Yeah
And
"Deadwing"
Oh, which one was it?
"Lightbulb Sun"
No
That's my favourite
No, it was, no, was it "Fear of a Blank Planet"?
"Fear of a Blank Planet", that's got the
Oh, it's got one of my favourite tracks ever on it and I can't remember it
It's the one, it's got like a, almost like a, like an industrial beginning to it
Yeah, yeah, yeah
So I had this Audi convertible with a CD player in it
I remember that
Yeah, yeah, yeah
And
I remember we were, we did a photo shoot
Up a tree
Yeah, we did
Yeah
That was brilliant
And
Yeah
And we all turned up with like cowboy and western shirts on
You all looked like you were going line dancing
Brilliant
It was absolutely brilliant that was
Paddy was up the tree
We've got Paddy up a tree
What if he falls out?
He falls out
We're just in
We're in so much trouble
And then that woman came out
We're just like, we're in the middle of a field
And that woman came over
All right
Yeah
It's just like
Yeah
That was bonkers
Yeah, yeah, yeah
It was like something out of a
That was like something out of a British movie
It was like something out of
Yeah
Oh, I don't know
Do you know what I mean?
Like a full Monty or something
Yeah, yeah, yeah
God, mega
Sorry, yeah
You're in your Audi
Oh yeah, yeah
But I'd burnt this CD
Obviously
I don't think you could actually buy it
Oh, no way
I can't remember
There was something like
And I got it off like downloaded
Yeah
And burnt onto the CD
Lime
Yeah, probably something like that
That was the only thing that I had in that car ever
So by the time that I owned that car
No way
If I had to leave the stereo
And the entire ownership of me having that car
That album went round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round
Hundreds and hundreds of times
And that's it
That's what I listened to
I'm looking at the tracks Fear of a Blank Planet, My Ashes, Anesthetized, Sentimental, Way Out of Here and Sleep Together
I think the track I remember is Fear of a Blank Planet
Yeah, but yeah, that's another one where it's
You put it on
No, I'm genuinely playing it on my iPad
Because I think this is going to go over really well
I'm going to turn the volume up
Yeah
So good
I love the way this comes in where the bass kicks in
Yeah, yeah, yeah
Stephen Wilson's dead clever, isn't he?
Yeah
I'm just going to listen to this now
I've got to wait until it starts though
Because the drum is really cool
But there's definitely
Stephen Wilson
Yeah
Has got a sound
Yeah
He is 100%
Like that new record
Yeah, yeah
It's that sound
It is
There's a lot about it
Which is the way that he produces drums
The way that the guitars fit on everything
The way the vocals sit
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
He's got his own very idiomatic kind of thing to that
Yeah, very good
If you like that kind of proggy stuff
It's, yeah, it's excellent
I have to say that Lightbulb Sun is
There's that one, Fear of a Blank Planet
And Lightbulb Sun
I love both of those two
I think they're excellent
We've got well off track there, haven't we?
I have no idea what we're doing
They're staying in, not getting rid of it
Staying on the podcast
People would delete that
Like it was some tangent
No, it's all part of the journey
It is, isn't it?
Yeah
The thing, do you know what I like about podcasts?
Yeah
There are no rules
You do what you want
Yeah, but I do
Do you know, I like
I like
Like if I wanted to know
About a particular album
Yeah
I'd just go and look it up
Yeah, yeah, yeah
I'm not going to go to a podcast for that
What I like about podcasts is
It kind of makes me feel like
I've got friends
Do you know what I mean?
And I mean that in a really serious way
I'm sitting at home
Lonely and I'm on my own
Yeah
And I've got my cat
Yeah
And then I can put a podcast on
You've got a few cats
But I put a podcast on
And it's like there's other people with me
Yes
I put a podcast on
That's about something that I like
I like
And you form your opinions
And you're like
But you're with them
That's the difference
Yeah, it's a bit like being in the pub
With people
Yeah, yeah, yeah
And you know
And it's not
I mean we're not the BBC
We're not going to stick on
There's no script
As you can
I mean it might be shocking
But it is
It's like
I don't know
And I like that
I kind of like it
When they're kind of
You know
There are some podcasts
Which I like Jake Humphries does
The performance podcast
Right
And he's phenomenal
I just think he's
He's just brilliant
He's such a good interviewer
Absolutely brilliant
And you watch them
And often when I listen to his stuff
I kind of
It like changes my perception on the world
Yeah, yeah, yeah
They're just incredible
I don't always want that
Sometimes I want like two people
Just waffling
Yeah
And I like
I kind of like the
I like the stories
And I like hearing what people are up to
I hear what people like
And I don't know
I think there's
It's nice
It's very human
Podcast style
It is
Yeah
I was doing
Facts
Yeah
I think I've run out of facts
Shall I just say I've run out of facts?
This is really good
Because we've already done the facts
And we've already know what we're doing next week
So I kind of don't know where I'm going now with this
Because we've
We've gone off the structure that we normally have
With these things
We do
I'm going to say
Peak chart positions
Yeah
US
Number five
Pete Sharp
Who's Pete Sharp?
Pete Sharp?
I've been gardening today
I could talk about that
Yeah
In the US
It got to number five
Yeah
In the chart
And in Canada
I don't know where
Is Canada America now?
Oh gosh
Oh no don't say that
No that's not
Yeah yeah no
If you know what's going on
Tell us
Because we're living on a little island
Yeah we don't know what's happening
No one tells us what's going on
Do you know I feel like
I said this to my friend this week
I said I feel like
You know like in
You see watch World War 2 movies
Yeah
No one knew what was going on
Yeah
Like there was no
Like you know what I mean
There wasn't internet
Yeah
So you
It was all done by letters
And word of mouth
And nobody knew what was going on
A little bit like that
Yeah yeah
No idea what's going on
I switch on my telly box
I know what
You never know what's happening
At any particular time
No
Anyway it got to 5 in the US
And it got to 11 in Canada
In 1992
So after it came out
Way way way after it was released
Because of the Pearl Jam
Yeah
Soundgarden thing
And Soundgarden thing
Yeah
It was released on CD
Cassette
Yeah
And LP
Cassette's becoming popular again
Yeah it's weird isn't it
People like all that now
That torture with a pencil
Having to wind it on
I don't like
Cheering your tape up
And no
I like reel to reel
Yeah
I like mini disc
Yeah
I like LP
I like mini disc
Mini disc
Mini disc feels nice
Yeah yeah yeah
I like
I like compact discs actually
Yeah yeah
I like compact discs
Not a big fan of the cassette
No
I like compact discs
Where it goes
I don't like it
Where you put it in a tray
And it goes
I don't like that
Oh
You're getting very specific
Yeah
You like that
Anyway
Yeah so that was
That was there
Which is obviously nice
And then there were three singles
Hunger Strike
Say Hello to Heaven
And Pushing Forward Back
Which was the US promo
The singles
Again
They did well
But in 92
Oh right
Yeah
So Hunger Strike
Peaked at 4 in the US
In the UK
51
Really
So they must
Because there's a video
For Hunger Strike
Yes they recorded it
And never released it
Never released it
No
Right
So I'm reading on the Wikipedia page
So the video must have
So they must have
Recorded the video
Yeah
Around 10 time
Yeah
Maybe even after that
No it was done before 10
Right
And then
It was in the video though
Yes
Right okay
The video was done before
They knew that
They knew they were going to
Release that as a single
But it didn't get put out
Didn't get put out
Because the album didn't sell
Yeah
It didn't sell
They didn't bother
Yeah
And then 10 is coming
Yeah
You know Cornell's
But you have to think about
Like nobody's
Nobody's on the hook
Nobody's paid
Tons of cash for this
Yeah
No one's poured like a million dollars
Into a studio somewhere
It's literally just
You know
Five or six blokes
Hanging around in Seattle
For like a month
So
Interestingly they redid
The video in 2016
I didn't know that
And I've not looked at it
It was certified
Platinum
Yeah
And I can't remember
What platinum means
But it's a lot
Yeah
I think it's a million
Don't know
It's gold
It's gold too many
I can't
I do know this
And I've forgotten it
But it was a lot
It went from nothing
Yeah
To being
You know
This
This big selling thing
Yeah
And it's
Yeah
I think it's an interesting
I think it's an interesting record
But it's an interesting record
Like you mentioned before
In that
Transformation
That
Stepping stone
Of what Pearl Jam became
Yeah
I don't think
It's
I mean it's not 10
No
Do you know what I mean
It's not
It's got
That's the thing I would say
About this one
Is that
I said earlier
It feels like jamming
With lyrics
I love it
Which is amazing
But like
It doesn't
It doesn't sound awful
There aren't really songs on it
Like in the
In the sense of
You know
I get it
Like Alive is a song
Or Jeremy is a song
Or even
Even Flow
Or
You know
Spoon Man
Or
You know
Or Black Hole Sun
You know
They're
Songs
They're
You know
Beautiful
Crafted songs
This felt like
Guys that are discovering themselves
That are hugely
Hugely talented
And that are playing together
And sort of working stuff out
And
And sort of jamming on it
And making kind of moments
You know
Yeah
I mean
It's
It's absolutely mad
I was
I just
Started to look at
At 10
So 10 was released on
August 27th
91
It was recorded
March 27th
To April
The 26th
91
Wow
So they
They were not long
Out of
You know
So this would have been
In the canon
And then they would have
Almost gone straight in
And done 10
Which is
So
What it must have done
Is triggered something
Creatively within them
I think so
Yeah
I think
Yeah
I think it's just
It's just
Yeah
It's
It's mad
Isn't it
Really
That
Yeah
It's
Like looking at
The Wikipedia page
For 10
It's like
There's a
There's a table
Of like
100 greatest albums
Ever
And all of the
Magazines and stuff
That have listed it
As like being
The best album ever
Right
But it's mad
Isn't it
The
The stuff
That came
That came out
On that
You know
Jeremy
And even
Flo
Alive
Yeah
And
But even
Like the
You know
The
Like what would be
The album tracks
The tracks
That were not
Big
Yeah
They're still
Yeah
Way up there
Yeah
Mega
They're still
Mega
It must
That must have
Been a really
Tough
A really
Tough time
To go and sit
With it
Because they'll
Have recorded
That and then
Gone into the
Records
Near the
Record label
And said
Yeah
We're gonna
Put these
As singles
Please
Yeah
You know
I mean
You can imagine
The record label
Yeah
How do you
How do we do that
Yeah
How do you even
Choose
I've just found out
What the numbers are
So gold is
500,000
Yeah
Platinum is a million
A million
Yeah
And then it goes up
In increment
So like
Triple Platinum
Is three million
For example
Oh okay
And then Diamond
Is ten million
Ten million
So that's really
Really good
Isn't it
Yeah
But it's a lot
Isn't it
It's a lot
Yeah
It did sell
A lot
That
You know
For
For something
That was unheard of
Yeah
It didn't have
A lot of
Push behind it
Yeah
Didn't chart
Anywhere really
When it
Didn't chart
Anywhere in the
World when it
Was released
No
And it was only
On the back of
You know
Ten
From Pearl Jam
I had another
Look at it
Yeah
And that's it
I think we've done
All the things
Yeah I think we're good
I think we're good
And we know
What's next
We've probably
A little waffle
As well
We've probably
Missed something
Yeah
Normally what happens
Is on the Monday
When we have
The new thing
Comes out
People message
To say
You should have said
Why did you not mention
Do you know what I mean
Well that's because
We want other people
To be part of the story
With us isn't it
That's exactly why
Yeah
That's exactly why
We want to do everything
We want
Yeah
Contributions
And conversation
And debate
I do love
The
And we forget
Yeah we do
The community
That's kind of
Building up
Around the show
Is I think
Getting really interesting
And there's a whole bunch
Of incredibly
Knowledgeable
Music fans
And collectors
Yeah
And it's brilliant
It's absolutely brilliant
I think
It's
You know
And you're having
Sometimes I'll be having
A bad day
And I'll go on to X
Or go on to Facebook
Or go on to
Blue Sky
And there'll be
Conversations and threads
And things happening
From people
And you just think
I like it
Yeah it's nice
Feels good
Yeah it's good
Feels good
And since renaming
And becoming a profology
Because we used to be called
Monster Shop
We did
For a long time
And the algorithm
Blocked that
Quite a lot
Didn't like that very much
No I didn't
Because we were not a shop
Yeah so we did
Riffology
Well you did
It was a good name
And then we put that on
And then all of a sudden
Everyone was listening
Yeah it suddenly got really busy
It did make me wonder
Just what if you did
Have a shop
How does that work
Yeah yeah
Yeah
We can't do that as well
We're already very busy
A shop
Merchandise
Honestly
One of these days
I'm going to do
Like loads of t-shirts
And stuff
With having the
The Riffology logo
Logo on the front
And then
Quotes about riffs
On the back
Yeah yeah yeah
And I even started to look
And I found some brilliant
Quotes from people
And I would love to do it
But the last time
We talked about this
Last week didn't we
But the last time
We tried to sell t-shirts
We lost
That cost us money
It cost a pound
Every time someone
Bought one
So I'm eager
Not to do that again
That's because
We're business people
We are business people
And luckily
Not many people
Bought them
So
Like
We didn't
We're not
We're not bankrupt
But
Never mind
I reckon that's us
For this week mate
It is
Yeah
It is
It's not
Do you know
It's five past nine
On a Sunday night
Yeah normally
We only just started
Yeah
Sometimes we'll kind of
Roll back in at one o'clock
In the morning
Don't we
With school on that same day
It's hard work
That is
I can't stay up anymore
No
But anyway
I think we could
That's been good fun
I've enjoyed that
Thanks for listening with us
Thank you
10 next week
Love you bye
Reach down
Which was the second song
I wrote
The Temple of the Dog
Record
I wanted it to be
Sort of like
A Neil Young
Fuck you to the world
Of people who don't
Want to hear a guitar solo
I'm going to make
An 11 or 12 minute song
That's mostly guitar solo
And that's going to be
The first song on the album
And you can fuck off
When I heard
Pretty play guitar
I was like
We're going to pull it off
For real
This isn't going to be a joke
He can actually fucking play
Because I couldn't
Out of his mind
This guy's a
He's a fucking rock star
Like he's got problems
And we just thought
He was a nice little kid
He's got something in there
Like he's infected
And that's going to come out again
Somewhere
Good luck guys
He knows me
Yeah that's
I would say that's
100% accurate
Well I hadn't seen the other night
You would fall in the corner
On the chair
Well below
I left a cold
Purple glasses
And glitter in your hair
And you said
Hey this is where
I want to sit
And buy you a drink
Someday
When you were going
To the dark shows
But you passed away
Now you said
I got all this room
And no more
Need to death
But ready
You've got some love
A customer
Put you in touch
With your man
Lovers
But he said
Little man
You've got no business
Being all frustrated
Oh you've got to rest
You've got to rest
You've got to reach down
And pick the crowd up
Oh I want to reach down
And pick the crowd up
Carry back in my hand
To the promised land
I had an angel shine my wings
She said nothing but
That's for the golden boy
She made me promise
Not to tell
I have it under a spell
Singing the golden world
To the broken boys
And I call a blessing
On the wind
I'm feeling lighter
Than the breath from a dove
I've got no hands
To tie behind my bed
I'm sparking like a heart attack
And I've got rumors
From my wings
And my messages of love
Love was my drum
That's not what I died of
So don't you think of me
Crying louder than some billion dollar baby
Oh I want to rest
I want to rest
I want to reach down
And pick the crowd up
I want to reach down
And pick the crowd up
Carry it back in my hand
To the promised land
We'll be right back.