You have a really waste, I can't bet your future
Your future, your future
You are an angel, headed for a land of sunshine
For sure you smile
Riffology
I wasn't ready
Hello
You are very poorly
We had a week off because you were ill
I was going to say I'm not ill very often
We both are ill quite often
Isn't that on Lindsay's bingo card?
It is, Lindsay's bingo, yeah, we're not very well
But what I will say is that there's a difference between being ill, ill
And, you know, when you're like, oh, I don't feel very well
I quite like that
Do you know what I mean?
It's basically an excuse to not do stuff
Yes
And I like that
I didn't like this very much at all
I was like, I felt, you know, when you feel a bit ill
I felt like Thursday and Friday
And I felt, oh, yeah, I'm not feeling brilliant
And then I got to Friday afternoon
And I finished like my last meeting and everything
And I was kind of just writing up my notes and stuff
And then I just got this headache
From, you know, when you get like
Like proper headaches
It's like, you know, the world stops kind of thing
And I was like, I can't
I just got to, I got to go and like get into bed
I feel awful
And I got into bed and I closed my eyes
And then I woke up and it was Monday morning
Yeah, yeah
And, you know, I'd like lost five kilograms
And I felt awful, you know
And then, and that's been this week really
Just kind of recovering
Just kind of filling myself with electrolytes
And vitamins and paracetamol and stuff
But I'm, I'm all right
Do you know what it was?
No
Cold
Flu, I don't know, whatever
They wouldn't, they're you thinking
You know, like today
Everything's got a name, hasn't it?
Yeah, yeah, yeah
You've got to have a
I remember when I was a kid
Everything was a cold
Yeah, yeah
Nobody had the flu
No, no, it's just a cold
There were stories of people that had the flu 10 years ago
Yeah
No one, you weren't allowed to actually have the flu
Yeah
But now everything's got a name
But I don't know
I just, just snot and headache and that
Yeah, yeah
I didn't, nothing came out of the bottom
No
Because I rang 111
Yeah
And, you know, and they were like
Oh, is it coming out of the top or the bottom, love?
Yeah
And I was like, it's not coming out of the bottom either
Oh, you'll be fine
Wow
And I was
So she was spot on
Oh, you'll be fine
You'll be fine
Oh, you'll be fine
I think we've lost a bit of that in modern society
Yeah, yeah, there's always, oh God
There's solemnity and drama
Yeah
About everything
Yeah, what am I going to, am I going to die from a cold?
Anyway, so I'm a bit of a horse
And I'm a bit coffee
Yeah
But I'm all wrong with it
But I have to be honest
Mm
And we always start with a confession lately
We're covering Faith in the Moor's Angel Dust
Yeah
This week
Yeah
Because someone asked us to
Yeah
And I
There was a poll
Yeah, there was a poll
Yeah
But I, I hated this
Yeah
When it came out
I didn't, I didn't like it very much
Mm-hmm
And I didn't know why
Until we did, did kind of the, you know, the research for the show
Because, you know, we do a little bit of reading in that for the show
And it, when, like the real thing, which we covered
Yeah
It's quite riffy
Yeah, yeah, yeah
It's a lot of kind of, it's metally and riffy and a bit, do you know what I mean?
It's quite, it's quite heavy in places
And I really liked that
Yeah
And then, that's what I wanted
Mm
And this wasn't that, this, that, like, Angel Dust is more
And there's still some really cool riffs and some really cool guitar work in it
Yeah
But it was, it was more, um, I think people keep describing it as avant-garde, don't they?
Yeah, yeah, yeah
But there was
I think people use words like that when they can't pigeonhole it
I don't know
Yeah, yeah
But it was like, it's got like jazz in it
And it's got like, um, there are bits in there that sound like journey
Yeah
And there are bits in there that sound like, you know, um, like, I, I, I, you know
Like you say, it's really difficult
And it's kind of this, this kind of mishmash of genres and stuff
And, and I didn't like that
I was like, I didn't, I, I, I remember I listened to this once
And then literally, and you know, in that kind of, you got compartmentalized bit of your brain
And you're just like, I don't like that
Yeah
So I would never go back and listen to it
Yeah
Again, if it, if it appeared, if it, if, um, you know, the, the mighty, um, uh, streaming services decided it should show me this album
I would have just skipped it and go, no, no, no, no, I could, because in like that bias is like, I don't like it
Yeah
Um, like preparing for the show, I thought, well, I could listen to it, I suppose
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, and I'd just absolutely fallen in love with it
Yeah, yeah, yeah, um, it is absolutely blown me away
And, like, so much so that I kind of can't
It's a little bit, um, a little bit, well, like, oh, a weird personal journey
But I kind of almost can't relate to the person that listened to it
Yeah
And didn't
Yeah, yeah, yeah
Like, does that make sense?
Yeah, yeah, totally
And I'm like, I don't know
What, I don't, I'm not sure what you were doing, Johnson
Back then
What, what, how, do you know what I mean?
How, how can you not have
Do you know when you, like, get a new album
And, like, you think this is the best album ever
Yeah, yeah, yeah
And someone says, it's all right
Yeah, yeah, yeah
It's a bit like that for this, for me
I, I'm like, I don't, I can't
I mean, I can't think how long ago it would have been
But, like, 30-odd years ago
Um, but I'm like, well, how?
Yeah
You were so happy
Things were time better than we had planned
Capital from our woman and band
We were like deep paper
And almost on a calculator
New arithmetic's a well
I can't know if I'll be tired
To be what was I'll be tired
We had to multiply ourselves
I'm bouncing to be
A shining cup of candy
And his fancy old school
Would not listen to us
But when he lost his appetite
He lost his windbreak
He became a valley
So fast
They came pure
But he played
But it shook me
Soon our boy
Became a million
People had a lot of tears
And they'll take them to the world
Everyone knew the thing that was this
Of course they must do this
What can anyone do?
No
What can anyone do?
No
What can anyone do?
No
What can anyone do?
No
What can anyone do?
No
What can anyone do?
Once he made us proud
He made us rich
And how old he to know
These countless figures
Now everything's rough
Yeah
Now everything's rough
Yeah
Now everything's rough
Yeah
Now everything's rough
Yeah
Now everything's rough
Yeah
Now everything's rough
Yeah
Now everything's rough
Yeah
Now everything's rough
will tell you that the impulse to change or the decisions that you make comes on
just naturally. So for us it was that. It was a natural sort of just transition
into what Angel Dust was. But saying that it's also probably pertinent to point out
the couple of years before we recorded Angel Dust. Going into that process was
pretty intense and changed us as a band. We've been working as a band for a long
time. Touring, making records kind of relentlessly and we had had our first
kind of taste of success and our first taste of like people liking us.
And talking about us and appreciating us. And I don't know, we're kind of a fickle
bunch of people. I know Billy and myself particularly were super sarcastic kids and
kind of had a lot of attitude. So when we were suddenly accoladed with a lot of
like praise and attention for something that we had done rather than just sort
of take it and be happy with it. I think we took it further and said kind of like to
our people that liked us and said, "Oh yeah? Well how do you like this?" In a kind of bratty way. So there was a way that we kind of stretched in making Angel Dust that was based on sort of like what had happened the past couple of years.
Stylistically too. And all of us collectively learned kind of leaned into a more darker sound because that felt bold. And yeah, kind of not weak. Not weak, but it just felt like a strong stance to take to sort of double down.
A strong stance to take to sort of double down.
How could you not have appreciated it when it came out?
Yeah.
So I'm having a bit of a bit of a crisis.
A midlife crisis.
A midlife crisis. There we go.
But how about you? Because you loved this, didn't you?
Yeah. You see, this was an album that I know. The reasons that you didn't like it were the reasons that I loved it.
Because it was a mishmash because it didn't really feel like an album. It didn't feel like a flowing like conceptual journey.
It felt like a load of tracks just gone on a record. And because when I when I was exploring music at this time
and I was just getting into writing music and getting in bands and all that, I was it was a really creatively sort of free period of my life where, you know,
I'd write a song and it was a folk song and then I write something that sounded like metal and then I write something that sounded like, I don't know, whatever, you know,
And then I have an electronic thing that I was doing. Yeah. And I didn't have the confines of genre when I was creating.
So you would just, yeah. So I was really into just like making stuff. I didn't care what it was.
And that's I think that's why this album resonated with me the most because it sounds like a load of guys making stuff and not getting too bogged down in the in the kind of like overthinking it.
They were just making they were just Dan said this the other week. This is Dan Baker who we speak about every day and then and he said something.
He comes out with these every now and then and they're really profound things that he says and I've used it probably in about 30 conversations since.
Yeah, because we were talking about like being in a band and what it's about and he was like, he's like look when it comes down to it and I might be paraphrasing a bit,
but he said just makes making stuff in it. And I was like it. Yes,
it really is. And we get so lost. Yeah, in this other stuff, you know, and I don't know. It's a strange thing.
And when you when you pull it back to it's just makes making stuff, that's why and that's why you've got easy on this.
You've got Midnight Cowboy you've got, you know, like they were just mates making stuff, you know, and and and I think
they just come I don't know like because of the real thing threaded together really well as a record and that definitely had a feel as an album.
Yeah, it was a conceptual piece of work. This is like just throwing paint at a canvas and see where it lands.
That's what it feels like to me. I I think this is. Yeah, I think it's really interesting because
I'm sorry. Just say I had this on CD. I was that was the first deal then. Yeah, if it's like real CD. Yeah, yeah, no, no, no, no.
There was a serious commitment of purchase in the shop. That's how much I like this album. Sorry.
I think it's interesting with this one because Jim Martin who did the guitar work. Yeah, wasn't involved with this record pretty much.
There's a few interviews of him and a few bits where he kind of says I didn't really get involved with Angel Dust at all.
I didn't like the direction that the band was taking. I didn't like that that kind of random approach to it.
And I wanted more metal. Yeah, and I think he was metal. I mean, he was it was big into metal.
You could hear it through the real thing. I think that's kind of metal influence all the way through and that's what he loved.
And then the band the whole band for Angel Dust to kind of veering off in this. Yeah, slightly different direction.
And I think Jim's like, I know this is amazing. Yeah. And I think to your point, it's like the band, you know, all your mates are making music that you don't like anymore.
Hmm, you know, so so he's kind of steadily just kind of going I don't I'm out. Yeah, but it's interesting that the there's a lovely quote from the record label for Angel Dust saying that it was career suicide that they built this fan base that were expecting a kind of a metal album.
Yeah, but their fat their fan base were metal fans. And, and that they were going to put out this kind of like bizarre album, and it was just not going to go anywhere.
And, and I love the fact that the band are just like, well, that's what we are. That's what we did. I mean, that's where we're going. Yeah, right. Yeah.
And, and, and, you know, people loved it. I mean, it did. I mean, there must have been a lot of people like me at the time that were just like, Oh, actually, no, disillusioned by that's not, that's not for me. And the thing is, I mean, this came out in 92.
Which, I mean, 92 was a ridiculous year for, for, for, for album. There was, there was no, and I kind of remember this coming out. I'm just kind of whatever.
Yeah. Do you know what I mean? And it was just like, I'm not, you know, because there was so much other stuff out there. We, yeah, we got a lot Alice in Change, Rage Against the Machine came out.
Countdown to Destruction came out, Vulgar Display of Power came out.
It was, it was massive. There was no, yeah, it was, it was so, so for me, like, Angel just was just, oh, well, yeah, you know, whatever, I'll go and listen to something else. Like, oh yeah, I picked up, you know, Rage Against the Machine or whatever.
And so, um, I, I get, I totally get why the record company, well, because the record company would have seen all these, you know, massive metal albums that are coming through in 92.
I do think that that kind of carved them out a bit of a niche because it built, built them a new set of fans, I think.
Yes.
Do you know what I mean? There's a bunch of people that perhaps, um, if they'd have produced another real thing.
Yeah. And it got lost in the.
Yeah. I mean, I'm sure it wouldn't, I mean, I'm sure it wouldn't have been like, you know, like totally lost in the melee.
But I do think that it kind of, um, carved them out a bit of a, um, a niche because, because they get, oh, this album particularly, uh, I remember listening to, uh, the Dillinger boys, the Dillinger escape plan.
There's, I mean, we need to cover some of their albums actually, but they, um, there's a lovely bit in, uh, like really early on in there.
I think they were doing, um, uh, as infinity or miss machine or something, but they, they were talking about their influences and, um, like, like talking about Mike Patton and faith no more as if they're like, like deities is kind of like this, you know, they, they, they kind of taught us that it's, it's okay to do this stuff.
You know what I mean? Like you, you, you mates are in the room and you're, and you're making stuff. Um, you make what you want to make, right? You're not making something that's commercial. It's, and actually probably is going to be people out there, but there'll be people out there that will enjoy and like what you're doing.
Yeah. And, and they were like, and if it wasn't for faith no more, we probably wouldn't have had that confidence to go into the studio and do, you know, which was like for Dillinger, pretty extreme.
chaotic stuff. Um, so yeah, I, I don't know. I think, I think this, for me, this one is like super iconic and not just in and of itself. It was, you know, it was the band like, like not exerting their control, but it's the band doing their thing.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then the impact that had afterwards, cause some albums are just massive. And we did, we did a countdown to extinction from Megadeth. It was a great record, sold billions of copies, absolutely brilliant.
didn't change the world. No. Yeah. It wasn't, it wasn't an album like, like you could go and cross the album out completely. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I don't think the, I don't think it would have had a massive impact on what happened later. Yeah. But there was some, I mean, there were some albums that do like, uh, P sells from Megadeth. Yeah. I think that did change the world. And I think that there are some albums that do that. Um, and I think this is one that, that just, just changed the world. Yeah. There's a, there's a, um, uh, like a before and after almost.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, and it wasn't just the music. It was the way the band kind of defied, you know, the commercial agreed. Yeah. Way to go and make money from, from music. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But even like, you know, something I've spoken about before we, we press record was, I found the interviews really hard to edit because that wasn't their thing.
And, and, and, you know, you can sort of tell listening to them is that they don't really like doing interviews. Um, they don't really care. They've got no, no, no, no one's, no one's trained them on how to do PR stuff. You know, no, there's none of that. There's been no media training. They're just, they're just mates that have made music. There's someone suddenly gone, Oh, can you just, can you just do a, an interview with these guys? And they've gone, Oh God.
The fans need somebody who can just sit and hand wave in front of a, you know what I mean? In front of a journalist. And I think you can see when that, that person, like, um, Led Zeppelin. Yeah. And that person's missing. Yes. That person's not there. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's just chaos, isn't it? It's just that, because that's the front of the band. And it's like, yeah.
And it also makes me think about, there was something we did ages and ages ago where we did, okay, computer. Yeah. And, um, and then there was like Tom was boss. Yeah. But actually thinking about it in this context, maybe Tom was just the one that was all right. Speaking in interviews and they left him to it. Yeah. I do think there's a certain thing to that. Like my, um, my youngest is, is starting to get really into music at the moment. And, um, it's, I just think it's, it's fascinating that, um,
that type of personality that, that do that. They tend to be a little bit kind of, um, you just zone in on, on the thing. Do you know what I mean? You see, I like you uber focus on the music, like watching him learning, he's learning the piano at the minute and watching him zone in and do like for two hours, he'll just be sitting and he's got his headphones and he's just playing the same thing over and over and over. He's just trying to get it and trying to get it and trying to get it. Um, and I think if you think about like the,
the, um, you know, the type of personalities that like talking to people and like engaging, they don't do that.
No. And I think, so there's a natural, there's kind of almost this natural thing, isn't there? Where, you know, um, you've got the, the, the natural type of personality that go into music and like making music and not the same type of people that are naturally at home.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, talking to the cameras and, and interviews and stuff. So that's really true actually. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's interesting.
i was i saw a great interview with tool um this week and you may not get tons of abuse in the
press typically um but you can just see the rest of the band are just like nope no no don't point
that thing at me point at him point ask him and and it's um i was watching it and you sometimes
you think like when you see um yeah when we saw the radio head stuff you just think oh god he's
you know that they're petrified of him yeah but actually yeah yeah probably it's just yeah
the others just don't don't ask me a question because i've made pieces yeah we did um i worked
with one of our juniors a couple of weeks ago it's her first time um uh like presenting or well it's
not true the first time being recorded yeah and there's a real difference when you're speaking
when you're speaking yeah yeah yeah especially about something technical right like doing this
is brilliant because it's like you know you oh you know someone's like oh you you said this happened
in 1927 and it happened in 1928 i don't care but um but when you're at work and you're doing it and
and you and you screw up it's like oh balls you know i mean you have to um and she was petrified she
said like what if i make a mistake yeah what if i say the wrong thing what was it and and it was just
this um you could just see this anxiety built of but it's about at least the fear of making a mistake
it's the fear of saying something wrong and saying the wrong thing yeah and um it's like just as you
were talking there it just it just kind of hit me that like imagine you were in the band you're in
faith no more and you're in the you being interviewed and you say the thing that gets you cancelled or
you do you know what i mean you say the thing that starts a row with another band or whatever um
yeah i i that's a lot of pressure i can totally get how how yeah i just don't yeah you don't want
that yeah i just want to go into you know like i want to go with my mates and i want to go and
you know what i mean i want to go make some music please thank you
so this one so the first one when we did when we did the real thing yeah i'm right in thinking that
mike patten came in and the songs were already recorded and he just had to lay the vocals on
yeah he wrote the lyrics whereas this time yeah this is very he had more of a sort of say in what
was going on no i've been working on it a lot but it's kind of i've wanted to i make a bad i've made a
conscious effort this time to spend a lot more time and spread it out over a longer period of
time because last time i wrote the lyrics really quick and i mean it worked and everything but
kind of all that i don't know i think the only way to really progress is to be ashamed of what
you've just done and that's maybe a strong word but you got to do something completely different
this album is going to be different lyrically musically everything and it's hard to sit down
because when you sit down and write lyrics you want to do it like you're doing a term paper you want to
get a pot of coffee and you want to get them over with you want to get it out of your system it's not
fun and what happens when you do that is like you end up writing a lot of like usually you're in a bad
mood just by chance you're in a bad mood right never happens you know it's just uh you know
just a fluke you just you're in a bad mood you sit down and write and uh everything events ends up
sounding mad which is great but then you got a pretty mad album on your hands and you need you need at least
you know one or two other perspectives on the record you know that should definitely dominate but
you gotta have some other things on there so you get all that madness out of your system
all the all of the anger and and uh you're feeling pretty good and then
you watch some tilting don't don't use any of this man what am i saying
was there anyone but yeah you then you got to spread it out if you spread
out what you're doing over a longer period of time you'll get a million different perspectives
and uh it were it just makes for a more rounded well-rounded you know rated g album
i took a lot from uh an l ron hubbard personality test
and some from fortune cookies i went out and bought like a lot of fortune cookies
and took some legs for that that's a real positive song um another one
i'm kind of inspired by this new neighborhood i moved into just really white trash disgusting
neighborhood where all these creeps walk around and i was kind of inspired by that so i just sat in my
car and watched people fell asleep woke up wrote some words so there's one about that and there's one
about um there's a couple like character sketches about imaginary people that's what the white trash
one's about it's about this real slob guy
kind of identify with him um uh there's a few about sex
can't can't really avoid that one um
yeah yeah for me right now sex is a little kind of like music you kind of got to get as far away from it
as you can
and the farther away that sex is from sex that's great the better it is for sex
and uh i'm making some sense here huh
pushing all over a sudden into a cross
for keep the clever and the bull and shake him on onto your breath
hide your face in the contents
that our homes last so close
and it rolls off the dark almost
the road's responsible for family natural
who suck
swearing when concrete is swearing you'll never be
Coach
Buy your weekend, snatch yourself
And we'll close on every game
Waldo's Sweet Dog Cafe
Make our friends, come home to my friends
War confessing reasons
But it's so easy for you
There's always one thing
Do you have something to tell me?
Say something
I don't want anything
I want you
Relax
It's just a phase
You know I want you
I want you
Mike Patton
I want you
You know I want you
Patton just coming
And at the end
Yeah
Doing his bit
Yeah and literally
So the way
The way they described this
And I don't know how
How true this is
But the way it's described
Is literally kind of Jim
Was just like
Just not involved
Not in the studio
Not really part of it
And then was brought in at the end
With a you know
Sit there
Play this
Really
Yeah
And then he did it
And then went
And then that was
Obviously that was
That was kind of it
I've definitely been
More involved in the
Songwriting process
This time around
Because last time
They kind of wrote
All the songs
And I just came in
And wrote the words
And it was kind of
Sterile
And this time
Arrangement wise
I was a little more involved
And I wrote some things
And
Tried harder
And definitely spent more time
On writing words
And
Gee we just got so close
On this album
Everyone got so close
We were just like
A really little
Like a little family
I don't really know
How to write a song
In the sense that
It has a form
Like A, B, A, B
One, two, three, four
Kind of thing
I just
Kind of don't really
Know how to do that
To make things sound
Catchy and in order
And like in a
In a little package
That you can call a song
So that's what it
Sounds like
It sounds like
Kind of a collection
Of
There is sort of
A form to it
But it's nothing you can
Really hum
And it's
Also does not
It won't sound like
Faith No More
Really at all
Which is I think
A pretty good thing
And I think a lot of people
Are going to go
What the hell is this
But it's kind of
I don't know
It kind of sounds like
Cinematic
It kind of sounds
Yeah
More like
Death metal movie music
Or something
But
Since I'm not
A very good communicator
It's a lot easier
For me to write
Everything
And put it on a tape
And say
This is the idea
I had
And then
If that sparks
Any other ideas
In anyone else
They can play it
If not
They can just copy it
And it worked out
Pretty well
But
Yeah it was fun
Because I'm used to
Working with people
That kind of know
That I can't write a song
And they kind of
Somehow miraculously
Know what I'm thinking
Because I can't write music
And
You know
So I can
I can say this thing
Or hum this thing
Or
Give a visual description
And someone will go
Okay I know exactly
What you mean
And they can play it
But with these guys
You know
I hadn't really written
Anything with them before
And
It was
It was interesting
Because
The intention wasn't there
No one really knew
What the intention was
But it kind of
Became apparent
After
We actually learned the thing
I just recorded it
At my house
And gave everyone a tape
And
This is really funny
Because when this album
Comes out
Or people
The people might watch this
And think
Oh wow
I'm going to
Like it's a big deal
Or something
And it's just a rotten song
But anyway
Yeah
We made like a little chart
A list of parts
Since it's nothing
You can really remember
And basically out of repetition
Kind of like rote memorization
They learned it
And
It's
It'll really stick out
Because this band
Has really clever
Like
They're really
The arrangements
Are really
You know where the song's going
Usually
I mean
That's not bad
But
You know where the song's going
And
The
The point of a lot of the songs
Is to
Along that path
Kind of stray and come back
And stray and come back
And
This one has no path
At all
It's completely
Aimless
Yeah
It's an interesting comparison
Of the two albums
That
Yeah
The other one is very guitar driven
Isn't it
Whereas this one's very beat
Beat and vocal driven
It's much cleverer
This one is
I think
There's a lot
This one's
And there's more
There's actually
It's interesting
Yeah sorry
The guitars
On the real thing
Took up a lot of space
Sonically
Yeah
Whereas with this one
There's a lot more synth
There's a lot more bass
Yeah okay
I think
There's some bits on here
That I just think
There are some bits on here
That I
Adore
And I
Like
I don't think I ever heard
When
I first listened to this
So
Everything's Ruined
For example
I just love it
I just
It's a song
That I could
Put on repeat
And
And have it
Running
Like
Over and over again
It's just
It's phenomenal
That song
Quite
Quite heavy
With guitars
On that one
Land of Sunshine
Kicks in with
Like
Big thick
Heavy guitars
Writing credit
For everything
On here
Is
Pattern
Really
Right
Which is
I do
I think
Is interesting
Well your first reaction
After you've been touring
For a couple years
Straight
And
Living with
The same five people
In pretty close quarters
Is to get away
And we did that
For a while
And
We
Pretty much
The whole time off
Consisted of just
Making excuses
And putting things off
And kind of
Patting each other
On the back
And
Saying everything's
Going to be great
And then
Not answering our phones
For a while
And a couple guys
In the band
Got kind of worried
I took some pleasure
In that
But I kept really busy
I did a bunch
Of other things
Kind of got that
Out of my system
And now
It's kind of
Time to go back
To work again
Yeah we definitely
Avoided the issue
Songs were being
Written
But certain people
Like
A guitar player
Let me rephrase that
Certain people
Were really
Hard to find
And I think
Were really
Kind of
Avoiding
The issue
And we had
To resort
To threats
And childish
Pranks
And
They worked
And now
Everyone wants
To work
And
Everything's
Great now
But we
Almost broke up
It was so bad
But yeah
It's
It's not like
There's no guitars
On this record
No no no no
But
It's just
It's not
Led by it
Yes I think
That's the one
Yeah
And yeah
But there are
Some
I think
You're right
There
What happens
Here
Is there's
Space
For other
Stuff
And there's
And they've
Always done that
I think
Quite nicely
Where you
End up with
Like the bass
Guitar
Do you know
I mean
There's
Space for
The texture
In the bass
Guitar
To come
Through
And that
Kind of
Underpins
The track
And then
Think
Then the
Track
Builds
From it
And you
Get that
Here
Midlife
Crisis
Is a good
Example
That we
Kind of
Just
You know
It's the
Bass
Guitar
Work
That
Kind of
Underpins
That
But yeah
It's
It's an
Interesting
Album
Like you
Say
It's not
Every
Track
Just beginning
With a
Big slab
Of guitar
And big
Riff
And then
You know
Screamy
Shouty
Off you
Go
It's a
Phenomenal
Record
I think
For the
Uniqueness
In each
Track
Just
Yeah
Like you
Say you
Could just
You could
Just like
Mishmash
It up a
Little bit
Yeah
It could go
In any
Order
Yeah
You could
Put this
You know
Like sometimes
Where you
Listen to an
Album
Sequence
It's got
To be
It's got
To be
In that
Order
And this
One
You just
And I
Think
They thought
Heavily
About it
You know
They made
It this
Order
But
For me
From
From the
Perspective
Of
The songs
And
You know
You could
Put these
Tracks in
Any order
And it
Would still
Make sense
As a
Record
Yeah
Because the
Songs are
Unique
And original
And they
Don't
Necessarily
Need
That
Album
Flow
Yeah
I think
You're
Probably
Right
I think
Yeah
Like you
Say
There's
Some
Songs
That are
Kind of
In
Inextricably
Linked
Together
On
Albums
And
The
Album
Flow
It's like
I was thinking
Of the
Albums
Like an
Album is
Curated
Yeah
You know
It's like
Having an
Art gallery
But where
Do you
Put the
Song
How does
It fit
You know
Within the
Grand scheme
Of the
Thing
Where does
It fit
In the
Story
Of the
Piece
Of art
Of the
Body
Of work
And
With this
One
I don't
Think it
Matters
Too much
It's funny
When you
Said about
Avant-garde
Because
I suppose
This record
Is a
Little bit
Modern
Arty
You know
From
That
Not so
Much
Now
But certainly
At that
Time
In that
Era
Where
The
Zeitgeist
Was
You know
Your
Going
Through
The
Last
Record
For
Ten
Months
Just
Ourselves
Just
Trying to
Get
People
To
Listen
To
A
Record
And
All
A
Sudden
You know
The
Claim
Or
The
Success
That
Has
Come
What's
The
Difference
It's
The
Same
Record
You know
And
That's
We're
The
Same
People
We're
People
That's
What
We
Are
And
Nobody
None
Of
Us
I
Think
If
We
Wanted
To
Be
Become
Greater
We
Just
Become
Jerks
When
People
Wouldn't
Be
Listen
To
It
Was
Just
Misery
It
Was
We
Just
Got
Over
The
Big
Hair
And
Sunset
Strip
And
Everything
Being
Big
And
Brash
And
Bold
And
Everyone
Was
Someone
Made
Fun
Of
About
You
I
Think
Politically
There's
A lot
Of
Political
In
Rest
In
The
Early
Nineties
And
We
Were
All
Going
To
Die
Of
Climate
Change
So
All
Of
That
Was
Happening
And
There
Wasn't
A lot
Of
Positive
Stuff
Happening
In
The
World
So
Yeah
I
Think
It
Was
Reflected
That
But
This
Was
Like
Someone
Splatting
Paint
All
Over
The
Wall
Yeah
It
Right
Actually
I guess
Musically
It
Was
Kind
Of
Pretty
Grey
You
Know
And
Then
These
Guys
Come
Along
And
Just
Wake
It
All
Up
Yeah
I
Do
I
Love
The
Concept
Of
The
Album
Name
As
Well
Angel
Dust
And
I
Did
I
Found
Like
Three
Or
Four
Different
Explanations
Of
Where
The
Name
I
Think
I
Do
Think
That
The
Band
When
They
Were
Being
Interviewed
Just
Made
Stuff
Up
Oh
There's
What
This
One
Here
Will
Play
It
And
It's
Talking
About
You
Know
What
The
Band
Name
Is
And
What
The
Album
Name
Is
And
Where
It
Came
From
When
They
Are
And
They
Just
Like
Yeah
Well
It
Doesn't
Really
Mean
I
Don't
Talk
About
It
I
Found
A
Bit
Where
I
Think
It
Was
Roddy
Bottom
If
I
Ever
Get
Renamed
I'm
Being
Renamed
That
That's
It
Is
One
Of
The
Best
Names
I
Love
One
Is
Roddy
Bottom
And
The
Other
One
Is
Johnny
Rod
And
I
Love
Those
Two
Names
So
There
You
Go
That
That's
Podcasting
Names
Will
Be
Anyway
There's
A
Lovely
Bit
From
Him
Where
He
It
Was
The
End
Of
An
Interview
And
It
Was
Typed
In
Like
I
Read
The
Interview
I
Didn't
Hear
It
But
He
The
Interview
Asks
Him
The
Name
Angel
Dust
And
What
Inspired
It
And
He
Just
Said
It
Kind
Of
Came
From
Nowhere
Really
But
It
Was
A
Beautiful
Name
For
Like
A
Hideous
Drug
And
We
Like
It
Was
A
Beautiful
Name
For
The
Hideous
Drug
That
Is
Our
Music
And
That's
Where
It
Came
From
And
I
Like
That's
The
Only
Explanation
That
I
Saw
That
I
Liked
So
Therefore
I
Have
I
Have
Taken
That
I
Think
Is
True
But
Yeah
I
Think
That's
Really
Interesting
And
Then
The
Album
Cover
And
The
Artwork
And
Cows
On
The
Back
And
It's
A
Swan
On
The
Front
I
Don't
Know
I
Suppose
It
Looks
A
Bit
Like
A
Swan
It's
Just
Weird
Yeah
And
I
Think
That
Kind
Of
Sums
Up
Do
You
Know
I
Mean
The
When
We
Did
The
Real
Thing
The
Band
Didn't
Have
Much
To
Do
With
The
Album
Cover
Didn't
Really
Like
It
Weren't
Really
Bothered
Same
Is
True
Of
This
One
Yeah
They're
Making
Music
With
Their
Mates
That's
What
They're
Doing
The
Album
Cover
Came
From
The
Record
Company
Band
Didn't
Have
Much
To
Do
With
It
And
So
They're
Just
Like
Yeah
It's
A
Bird
In
It
Then
You
Can
Hear
When
You
When
You
When
The
Interviews
Happen
Yeah
It's
A bit
Weird
It's
Interesting
It might
Be worth
Talking
About
Their
Record
Label
Was
Slash
Yeah
Who
Did
They
Did
All
Kinds
Of
Other
Bands
But
They
Were
Very
Much
A
Kind
Of
A
Kind
Of
Underground
Label
You
Know
They
Weren't
Doing
Like
Super
Big
Bands
But
A
Lot
Of
These
Underground
Bands
That
They
Did
Became
Massive
Yeah
So
The
Label
Got
Really
Big
And
I
Have
A
Real
Soft
Spot
For
That
I
Quite
Like
These
You
Know
These
Kind
Of
Move
Out
Now
Excuse
Yeah
The
Kind
Of
Movements
That
Kind
Of
Came
They
Were
San
Francisco
I
Actually
Didn't
Know
That
Yeah
And
They
Were
From
The
Bay
And
You
Know
In
Like
In
The
70s
And
80s
Like
The
Punk
Movement
And
But
The
Music
Scene
In
San
Francisco
Was
Bonkers
And
Absolutely
Crazy
So
You
Had
Like
Bob
Marley
Playing
And
Then
You
Have
Some
Not
Unheard
Of
Punk
Band
Playing
And
It
Was
A
Really
Rich
Music
Scene
And
They
That's
Where
They
Grow
Up
That's
Kind
Of
What
They
Were
Exposed
To
As
Kids
Kind
Of
Thing
And
I
Absolutely
Think
That
Was
Like
A
Core
Part
Of
Why
Faith
No
More
Ended
Up
Faith
No
More
Because
They
Yeah
Those
Scenes
I
Love
Those
Scenes
That
Kind
Of
Start
You
Know
It's
Kind
Of
From
The
Ground
And
You
End
But
I
Think
That
Scene
That
Whole
Thing
Would
Have
Been
A
Huge
Part
In
How
The
Band
Ended
Up
Do
You
Know
I
Mean
That
Mish
Mash
Of
Stuff
You
Know
It's
Almost
An
Inevitability
That
We
Were
Going
To
Get
Yes
A
Band
That
Was
Yeah
That's
Really
Interesting
Yeah
That
Makes
Huge
Sense
And
It's
That
Thing
About
There's
A few
Of
These
Episodes
That
Become
About
The
Geography
Of
Where
They're
From
And
Their
Environment
And
All
That
Sort
Of
Stuff
And
It's
Interesting
Isn't
Kind
Of
Driven
Raw
Sound
Whereas
If
You
Think
Of
The
Seattle
Sound
It
Was
Much
Rounder
And
Smoother
And
Not
As
Jagged
Yeah
That's
True
Yeah
Because
Even
This
You
Know
The
Faith
No
More
Sound
Is
Quite
Angular
Whereas
The
Grunge
Sound
Generally
Is
Quite
Rounded
Well
I'm
Proud
Of
Angel
Dust
Because
It
Was
Maybe
Not
The
Record
That
People
Wanted
Or
Expected
But
It
Was
The
Record
That
We
Came
Up
With
When
We
All
Put
Our
Shoulders
To
The
Grindstone
And
Pulled
On
The
Rope
And
Did
The
Best
We
Could
Challenged
Ourselves
Challenged
Each
Other
And
I'm
Proud
Of
That
Yeah
For
Sure
Favorite
Tunes
I
Don't
Pick
Favorites
I
Love
How
That
Album
Fits
Together
Beautifully
When
You
Don't
Do
That
Anymore
But
The
Whole
Thing
Runs
Together
With
The
Sequence
Beautifully
From
Start
To
Midnight
Cowboy
You
Know
I
Love
A lot
Of
Songs
On
There
Caffeine
Be
Aggressive
Midlife
Crisis
Everything's
Ruined
I
Like
Jizz
Lover
A
Lot
So
Hard
For
Me
To
Play
Favorites
It's
An
Album
I'm
Very
Satisfied
With
Very
Pleased
With
It
Wasn't
Accidental
We
Did
It
On
Purpose
It
Was
Us
Doing
Our
Best
To
Follow
Up
An
Extremely
Commercial
Record
With
Something
That
Wasn't
Necessarily
Expected
It
Represents
Us
Believing
In
What
We
Did
To
The
Extreme
And
I
Feel
Very
Good
About
That
I'm
Pretty
Proud
Of
That
I'm
Not
One
To
Keep
Favorites
Of
Albums
So
I
Can
Find
Good
Things
About
All
Of
Them
And
That
Is
Definitely
Something
I
Feel
Really
Good
About
Because
It
Was
A
Battle
Internally
And
Externally
And
I
Feel
Good
About
How
It
Turned
Out
So
I
Did
A
Thing
Called
The
Complete
History
Of
Faith
No
More
And
It
Covers
All
Of
That
All
That
Kind
Of
Stuff
The
Kind
Of
The
Early
Years
In
Formation
And
I
Found
A
Like
A
Poster
For
A
Club
Called
The
Kennel
Club
And
It
Had
Like
Bob
Marley
Short
Dogs
Grow
Eugene
Chadbourne
The
Sea
Hags
Crime
Dead
Milkman
All
Headlining
Night
After
Night
After
Night
You
Know
And
I
Just
Find
It
Absolutely
Fascinating
That
You
Don't
Tend
To
See
That
So
Much
These
Days
And
I
Think
A
Large
Part
Of
This
Is
Back
Then
These
What
Would
Have
Been
Independent
Music
Venues
Certainly
In
The
US
And
Here
In
The
UK
You
Would
Have
Had
These
Independent
Music
Venues
And
There
Would
Have
Been
Like
A
Path
Charted
So
You
Got
An
Album
Coming
Out
You
Go
Through
It
And
It
Didn't
Matter
What
Genre
You
Were
You
Made
Your
Way
Through
The
Various
Of
These
Places
And
Steadily
They've
All
Kind
Of
Gone
Out
Of
Business
You
Know
We've
Just
Seen
This
The
Kind
Of
Rise
Of
The
O2
And
These
Independent
Music
Venues
Kind
Of
Can't
Make
Ends
Meet
Anymore
It's
Really
Difficult
And
Certainly
In
Interesting
Work
They're
Getting
Money
Aren't
They
From
Big
Artists
So
When
You
Buy
Your
$100
$200
ticket
Here
In
The
UK
Like
A
Percentage
Of
That
The
Vast
Majority
That
Goes
To
Ticket
Master
Some
Of
It
Goes
To
These
Independent
Music
Venues
And
I
Just
Think
It's
So
Important
It
Really
Is
Important
Because
You
Can't
If
You're
You know
If
You're
A band
And
You
And
We
Talked
About
Scon
Canancy
Being
Signed
On
Early
Gigs
And
Stuff
There's
Nowhere
For
Those
Bands
To
Play
If
You've
Got
If
The
Only
Place
You
Can
Play
Is
On
A
Support
Leg
Of
You
Know
Some
On
The
Oasis
Tour
Yeah
Which
These
Days
You've
Got to
Pay
X
Thousand
Pounds
To
Jump
On
And
I
Just
Think
It's
I
Don't
Know
I
I'm
Not
Saying
There
Aren't
Any
We're
Really
Lucky
Here
There
Were
Some
Lovely
Independent
Music
Venues
Near
Us
But
I
Think
In
General
Nottingham
In
Particular
Yeah
Nottingham
Is
Really
Quite
Cool
But
I
Think
You
Know
I
Was
In
Norwich
A
Few
Weeks
Ago
And
It
Really
Hit
Me
How
Many
Of
These
Kind
Of
Like
Bars
Cafes
That
Have
Got
A
Live
Music
Space
You
Walking
Past
And
You
Can
Just
See
It
Was
A
Sunday
Morning
I
Was
Kind
Of
Wandering
Through
And
You
Could
Just
See
The
Mics
And
Things
And
I
Just
Thought
That's
Really
Cool
We
Fancy
Go
To
Play
There
In
Norwich
That's
A
Cool
Place
It
Is
But
I
Think
It's
That
Kind
Of
Thing
Where
It's
You
Know
I
Mean
Having
These
Cool
Spaces
That
I
Just
Support
Nurture
But
That's
Where
The
Scenes
Come
From
Yeah
Because
If
You
If
The
Only
Music
Venue
You've
Got
Is
An
O2
Academy
I
Mean
I
Mean
Your
Local
Musicians
Are
Not
Hanging
Out
There
No
I
Promise
You
No
Exactly
And
That's
What
You
Need
You
Need
Somewhere
For
Your
Impoverished
Local
Musicians
Who
Don't
Like
People
Very
Much
Can
Go
And
Hang
Out
And
Form
This
Scene
Where
They
Go
And
Make
Music
With
The
Mates
Yeah
It
Is
But
Yeah
Anyway
I
The
Reason
That
I
Got
Onto
That
Thread
Actually
Was
There
Was
A
Couple
Of
Venues
That
Faith
And
Them
All
Played
Massively
There
Was
One
Called
The
I'm
Going
To
Pronounce
It
Poorly
Probably
But
The
Mabuhay
Gardens
And
They
Were
Play
There
All
The
Time
And
It's
Like
You
Know
I
Don't
Know
Like
They
Would
Be
There
Every
Few
Weeks
That
Kind
Of
Regular
Thing
Where
It's
Kind
Of
They
Would
Like
The
Regular
Band
That
But
That's
How
These
Scenes
Get
Started
You
Know
I
Mean
These
Little
Venues
And
Then
You'll
Have
Bands
That
Play
There
Regularly
And
Then
Their
Fans
Will
Come
There
And
Then
They'll
Start
A
Band
So
They're
Fans
I
Really
Like
That
We
Could
Do
That
And
Then
They
Start
Bands
And
That's
The
Nucleus
Of
These
That's
Really
Interesting
It's
So
Simple
But
That's
What
Happens
Isn't
It
Like
You
Go
Play
In
Your
Band
People
Like
You
And
They're
Like
I
Could
Do
That
Was
Great
And
Then
They're
Hanging
Out
In
The
Same
Places
That
You
Are
Yeah
And
So
That's
What
I
Think
We
Are
Missing
A
Bit
I
Think
That's
Often
Where
These
Things
Come
From
Shall I
Do
Some
Facts
Let's
Do
Some
Facts
I've
Got
To
Go
Back
I'm
On
The
Blog
So
The
Blog
Is
Riffology
Co
I
Think
It's
Great
It
Is
The
Great
You
Work
Really
Hard
If
President
Trump
Reads
The
Blog
And
It's
The
Greatest
Blog
He
Says
Great
People
Great
People
Doing a
Great
Job
Anyway
Yeah
It's
There
And
You
Can
Listen
To
The
Podcast
While
You
Read
Oh
It's
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Clever
So
Good
That
Kind
Of
Thing
Impresses
Me
I'm
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Impressed
Anyway
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It
Earlier
Avant
Garde
It
Says
Alternative
Metal
Yeah
And
Avant
Garde
Metal
Yeah
I
Don't
Think
It
Was
Metal
At
All
No
I
Think
It
Was
Kind
Of
Like
It's
Alt
Rock
Yeah
It
Is
It's
Kind
Of
Big
Synth
Alt
Rock
Post
Alt
Rock
That's
Where
I was
Going
It's
Got
Synths
In
It
Post
Alt
Rock
Maybe
A
Hard
Rock
Band
Because
Those
Are
The
People
That
Really
embrace
Part
And
That's
Really
Good
I
Mean
We
Kind
Of
Could
Have
Gone
Anyway
In
The
Beginning
We
Could
Have
Gone
In
A
Bunch
Of
Different
Directions
I
Think
The
Hard
Rock
Section
Really
Picked
Up
On
Us
Right
Away
But
That's
Not
All
We
Are
We
Different
Things
And
We
Want
To
Be
Those
Other
Things
That
We
Are
Anyway
And
Sometimes
When
You
Want
To
Do
Something
Different
Instead
Of
Seeing
It
As
Taking
Yourself
And
Exploring
Things
You're
Seen
As
Alienating
A
Certain
Thing
That
Supported
You
It
Gets
Into
Politics
And
Has
Nothing
To
Do
With
Music
At
All
Really
And
It
Hard
Rock
Is
Okay
It's
Like
Saying
Salt
Is
Okay
But
Don't
Want
To
Have
Salt
As
Your
Only
Spice
In
Your
Food
All
The
Time
Nothing
Else
Hard
Rock
Is
Great
But
So
Is
A
Lot
Of
Other
Stuff
Runtime
58
Minutes
47
Seconds
Big
Album
I
Think
That's
The
Version
With
Easy
On
It
Which
We're
Going
To
Go
Out
With
Which
Is
Lovely
Isn't
It
I
Didn't
Know
It
Didn't
Ship
With
Easy
If
You
Bought
It
Here
In
The
UK
I
Might
Get
This
The
Wrong
Way
Around
If
You
It
Was
Released
In
92
Yeah
If
You
Bought
It
In
92
I
Don't
Think
It
Had
Easy
On
It
But
I
Think
It
Came
I
Think
They
Did
Easy
At
The
End
Of
That
Year
People
Are
Going
To
Scream
At
I
Think
They
In
The
US
I
Don't
Think
It
Had
Easy
On
At
All
The
Version
That
I
Had
Did
But
I
Didn't
Buy
It
When
It
Came
Out
I
Think
The
Version
The
Original
Version
In
92
Did
Not
And
I
Think
The
Versions
In
93
Did
And
That
Was
The
Record
Label
Going
Oh
That
Mega
We'll
Stick
That
On
The
Album
I
Think
It
Was
A
Good
Move
To
Be
Fair
The
Man
In
A
Suit
Stick
On
They'll
Buy
More
Of
That
Sold
2.5
Million
Copies
Worldwide
Which
Is
A
Lot
2.5
Million
Of
Anything
Is
A
Lot
Unless
It
Streams
And
You
Want
Some
Money
Yeah
That's
About
25p
Isn't
It
Yeah
And
It's
Yeah
It's
I
Think
It's
A
Lot
Of
Copies
There
Are
Albums
That
The
Sales
Numbers
Always
Shock
Me
Like
The
Slipknot
Album
Sales
Always
Shocked
Me
A
Little
Bit
Because
I
Kind
Of
Think
You
Know
Your
Mainstream
Friends
Because
That's
How you
Imagine
Buy
Things
Yeah
And
Then
You
Think
None
Of
You
Lot
Would
Have
Bought
That
When
We
Did
Alanis
Morissette
Everybody
Bought
That
When
You
Could
Imagine
Your
Mainstream
Friends
Buying
That
Yeah
When
We
Did
AC
DC
Back
Melodic
Hooks
In
There
You
Can
Imagine
My
Mainstream
Friends
Going
Yeah
You
Know
I'm
A bit
Rock
And
Roll
And
Then
They've
Got
That
This
I'm
Interesting
The
Real
Thing
I
Could
Imagine
Them
Buying
Yeah
This
One
No
I
Can't
It'd
Be
Too
Weird
But
They
Did
Okay
So
They
Totally
Did
Yeah
And
Yeah
It's
Interesting
I
Wonder
How
Many
People
Bought
It
And
Didn't
Like
It
Yes
But
It
Became
Massive
Or
Bought
It
Because
Of
Easy
Yeah
And
Maybe
What's
This
Other
Stuff
Yeah
Maybe
I
Think
It's
A
Grower
Of
An
Album
Totally
agree
I
Wish
I
Had
Spent
More
Time
With
It
As
A
Kid
Right
What
Else
Did
I
Want
To
Do
Oh
Yeah
So
1990s
The
World
Changing
Obviously
Grunge
And
Alternative
Rock
But
We
Lost
Kurt
Cobain
So
The
World
Is
Changing
Pretty
Dramatically
Grunge
Didn't
Last
Very
Long
No
We
Had
With
This
Kind
Of
I
Mean
We
Had
Nirvana
Yeah
And
Then
We
Moved
Into
This
Kind
Of
Alt
Rock
You
Know
Kind
Of
Phase
Where
You
Kind
Of
Alice
And
Chains
And
Stuff
Kind
Of
Came
Through
In
The
Band
At
This
Point
We
Had
Mike
Patton
Vocals
Jim
Martin
Guitar
Didn't
Plan
It
Very
Much
And
Then
Billy
Gould
On
Bass
Roddy
Bottom
Who
Got
The
Best
Name
In
The
Band
On
Keyboards
And
Then
Mike
Borden
Drums
Roddy
Bottom
And
Mike
Borden
Formed
The
Band
That
Came
From
Oh
This
Is
What
I
Want
To
Talk
About
The
Album's
Title
Angel
Does
We've
Talked
About
That
Reflecting
The
Duality
Of
Beauty
And
Horror
And
Being
A
Nice
Name
For
Something
That's
Not
Very
Nice
And
The
Cover
Art
He's
Not
A
Swan
It's
An
Egret
It's
A
Great
Egret
And
It's
Got
A
Cow
On
The
Back
Hanging
In
A
Locker
So
Remember
That
It's
A
Great
Egret
I
Knew
That
I'd
Written
That
I
Knew
That
It
Was
Put
Out
By
Slash
And
Reprise
Records
That's
Interesting
Reprise
Did
Green
Day
Yeah
Reprise
Are
Good
I
Think
You
Get
A
Few
Record
Labels
That
Are
Good
Relapse
Are
Good
At
The
Sharp
Tone
I
Like
Relapse
And
Sharp
Tone
At
The
Moment
If
I
See
Anything
From
Those
Two
It's
Good
Stuff
I'm
On
It
Like
A
Cop
On
It
And
Relapse
Do
Those
Lovely
Splatter
Vinyls
Yeah
They may
Be
Reissuing
Slightly
Too
Many
Of
Those
Oh
That's
Another
Exciting
Thing
Completely
Off
Topic
What
I'm
Doing
Fact
But
The
Death
Album
Symbolic
30th
Anniversary
That's
Done
By
Roadrunner
Who
Never
Repress
Anything
I was
Going to
Say
A
Rude
Word
About
Them
But
They're
Not
Very
Nice
People
They
Need
To
Repress
Their
Records
Better
And
They're
Doing
A
30th
Rebirth
So
If
You
Like
Death
And
You
Like
Symbolic
That's
The
One
Do
A
Search
And
Find
That
That's
Too
Good
Produced
By
Matt
Wallace
Who
We
Have
Spoken
About
Before
We
Dug
Deep
Into
Matt
Wallace
On
The
Previous
Faith
No
More
Episode
That
We
Did
Matt
Describes
The
Sound
Of
This
Album
As
Polished
Yet
Edgy
I
Think
That's
Fair
Enough
It's
Quite
Descriptive
I
Quite
Like
That
I
Think
It's
Probably
Quite
A
Good
Thing
It
Was
Done
With
Messer
Boogie
Amps
Yes
Like
All
The
Big
Metal
People
Were
Big
At
The
Time
Yeah
Marshals
Do you
Know the
Story of
That
No
Great
Story
We'll
Do
A
Blog
About
It
I
Like
That
Idea
Cliffhanger
Yeah
The
Recording
Was
Complicated
Jim
Martin's
Dissatisfaction
With
The
Album's
Direction
Led
To
His
Eventual
Departure
From
The
Band
Tension
They
Claimed
Fuelled
Creativity
But
Jim
Martin
Was
Not
A
Big
Part
Of
This
Album
And
He
Did
Not
Like
It
Which
I
Thought
Was
Really
Interesting
Where
Did
We
Get
To
Here
With
Albums
Yeah
So
This
Was
The
Biggest
Selling
Album
The
Real
Thing
Was
1.2
Million
Yeah
This
Was
2.5
Million
King
For
A
Day
Fall
For
A
Lifetime
It's
Credited
As
151
Thousand
Copies
Officially
Which
Is
Tiny
Album
Of
The
Year
Was
2
Million
Copies
Which
Again
Is
Really
Interesting
Other
Stuff
In
92
You
Had
Dirt
By
Allison
It's
What
I
Was
Saying
I
Think
One
Listen
Through
This
And
Then
You
Had
Rage
Against
The
Machine
As
Well
And
Then
You
Had
Megadeth
And
Pantera
It
Was
A
Rich
Time
For
Big
Thick
Metal
Stuff
So
It
Got
Nominated
For
A
Grammy
So
It
Did
Get
Nominated
For
A
Grammy
Singles
Midlife
Crisis
Which
Is
That's
The
One
That
I
Kind
Of
Think
Of
For
This
Album
Yeah
And
Then
A
Small
Victory
And
Everything's
Ruined
Although
I
Don't
Think
Everything's
Ruined
Charted
Anywhere
I don't
Remember
Everything's
Ruined
In
Charts
At
All
Touring
During
The
Tour
They
You know
They went
Out
With
Metallica
And
Nirvana
Yes
I do
Yeah
I remember
That
Yeah
Which
I
Just
Think
Is
I don't
Know
It's
Crazy
Isn't
It
Yeah
It's
Not
Bad
Is
It
They
Were
Out
On
The
Lollapalooza
Yeah
Which
Was
Which
Was
Crazy
All
Over
The
World
That
Was
Absolutely
Crazy
Yeah
What
Where
Else
Did
I
Get
To
Oh
Yeah
Critical
Acclaim
We
Always
Talk
About
Critical
Acclaim
Rolling
Stone
Ranked
It
65th
Out
Of
100
In
Their
100
Greatest
Metal
Albums
Of
All
Time
And
I
Think
It's
Interesting
It
Gets
Lumped
In
With
Metal
Records
There
Are
Lots
Of
Albums
Like
This
I
Think
That
Kind
Of
Just
Get
Lumped
Into
That
You
Can
Say
They're
Hard
To
Genre
You've
Got
To
Stick
It
Somewhere
And
I'm
Not
Entirely
Sure
It
Does
Sit
With
Metal
But
It
Did
Like
It
There
Were
Some
Lovely
Critical
Reviews
And
Some
Comments
From
It
So
The
Rolling
Stone
Called
It
A
Bizarro
Masterpiece
That's
Really
Good
I
Like
Rolling
Stone
Which
Was
My
Favorite
I
Like
I
Like
There
Are
Lots
Of
Other
Things
In
There
They
Yeah
And
That's
Really
It
For
Facts
They
Did
They
Kind
Of
Got
Back
Together
They
Did
Obviously
Jim
Martin
Left
And
The
Band
Just
Stopped
Basically
At
That
Point
And
Then
They
Kind
Of
Got
Back
Together
Again
I
Think
In
Was
It
2009
I
Think
Personally
I
Was
Going
Through
A
Lot
Of
Stuff
At
That
Time
I
Was
Yeah
Doing
Bad
Drugs
At
The
Time
Sort
Of
Getting
In
That
And
It
Was
A
Struggle
I
Think
Like
Talking
About
Being
Gay
And
The
Public
Though
At
The
Time
Felt
Just
Kind
Of
Like
One
Of
Those
Bratty
Things
That
Like
Didn't
Matter
To
Me
It
Shouldn't
Matter
To
Anyone
It
Was
Sort
Of
It
Was
A
Difficult
Sort
Of
Tiptoeing
Through
Process
For
Me
That
I
Acknowledge
Now
As
Something
That
Was
Kind
Of
Forming
Who
I
Was
And
Kind
Of
Forming
The
Time
That
I
Was
In
It
Was
Difficult
And
I
Think
I
Don't
Know
If
It
Was
Connected
To
Drug
Use
But
It
Was
It
Was
A
Difficult
Time
And
The
Difficulties
Definitely
For
Me
Pushed
My
Artistry
In
A
Certain
Direction
With
The
Record
As
Far
As
A
Hiatus
Going
I
Don't
Really
Even
Consider
What
Happened
After
Angel
The
Cycle
Of
That
As
A
Hiatus
Losing
Jim
Was
Definitely
A
Big
Step
And
It
Took
A
Lot
To
Get
From
Point
A
Being
Bye
Jim
To
Point
B
Being
Like
You
Know
What
We
Were
Going
To
Do
Next
We
Kind
Of
Were
Always
A
Band
Before
Jim
Joined
The
Band
We
Were
Always
A
Band
That
Were
Sort
Of
Looking
For
A
Guitar
Player
Billy
And
Mike
And
I
Had
Such
A
Strong
Sort
Of
Foundation
We
Were
Very
Precious
About
Bringing
In
Another
Person
Mike
P
Came
And
He
Just
Fit
Naturally
And
Sort
Of
Did
What
He
Did
But
Guitar
Wise
We
Always
Had
A
Hard
Time
So
When
Jim
Left
It
Was
Kind
Of
Back
To
Square
One
And
That
We
Couldn't
Find
Someone
For
A
Long
Time
That
Would
Fit
The
Bill
And
We
Were
Pretty
Precious
About
That
Decision
So
I
Guess
That
Was
Part
Of
The
Reason
For
The
Hiatus
Going
On
And
I
Mean
You'll
Appreciate
This
So
They
Got
Together
Got
Back
Together
And
Then
Did
A
Headline
Show
Download
And
Then
In
2015
They
Did
So
Invictus
The
Thing
About
So
Invictus
That
I
Think
Is
Interesting
Is
It
Was
Completely
Self
Funded
You
Know
There
Is
Kind
A
Big
Resurgence
In
This
Kind
Of
Music
This
Kind
Of
Yeah
I
Suppose
That
Kind
Of
80s
And
90s
Yeah
Kind
Of
Rock
Music
That
We
Like
So
Much
It
Wasn't
In
2015
No
There
Was
A
Big
Lull
In
That
And
It
Wasn't
There
So
They
Completely
Funded
It
Themselves
And
Released
It
They're
Crazy
What's
Wrong
With
These
People
Absolutely
Crazy
Looking
Back
On
It
Now
It's
Kind
Of
Oh
Well
Of
Course
Yeah
Anyway
That's
All the
Fact
And
That's
All the
Information
It's
All
On
Our
Blog
If
You
Like
That
Kind
Of
Thing
Riffology
Dot
Co
Yeah
It's
A
Great
Blog
I
Would
Really
Like
The
Riffology
Dot
Com
I'm
Gonna
Get
It
I
Want
Riffology
Dot
Com
Want
It
I
Want
It
I
Don't
Know
But
I've
Got
To
I
Emailed
Go
Daddy
And
They
Said
They
Want
A
Hundred
Pounds
Just
To
Just
To
Apparently
You
Have
To
Back
Order
These
Things
You
Can't
Just
Can't
Just
Have
Them
Give
It
To
Me
Anyway
That's
It
That's
It
That's
Done
What
Have
You
Been
Listening
To
This
Week
Have
You
I've
Not
Done
Anything
I've
Been
Real
I've
Had
This
On
A
Couple
Of
Times
But
I've
Not
Done
I've
Been
Rubbish
I'm
Gonna
I'm
Gonna
Get
On
That
Wild
Hearts
One
You
Send
Me
That
New
Wild
Hearts
Yeah
So
There's
Been
The
Satanic
Rites
Of
The
Wild
Hearts
By
The
Wild
Hearts
That
Sent
Me
Off
On
A
Wild
Harts
Back
Catalogue
Binge
This
Week
It's
Really
Good
It's
Gone
Back
To
Earth
Versus
It's
Brilliant
It's
Yeah
What
Was
The
One
That
I
Really
Liked
They
Did
Not
The
Last
Album
Before
Oh
Renaissance
Man
Yeah
That
Yeah
But
Still
Wild
Hearts
You
Just
Kind
Of
See
Where
The
Wild
Hearts
Come
From
It
Just
Vomited
Out
Of
Ginger
But
Yeah
Incredible
Record
I
Think
The
Other
Big
Records
I
Think
That
Have
That
Have
Come
Out
That
I
Think
Are
Interesting
So
Spirit
Box
Got
A new
Album
Architects
Got
A new
Album
There's
A lot
Of
Metal
Core
Stuff
Out
At
The
Moment
Which
I
Think
Is
Really
Interesting
But
It's
The
Wild
Arts
One
That's
Really
Captured
My
Imagination
And
That
Sent
Me
Off
Down
A
Like
A
Back
Catalogue
Binge
Of
Stuff
That
I
Loved
At
That
Time
So
Like
Thunder
And
Gun
Gallus
And
Swagger
I've
Been
Listening
To
A lot
Of
That
This
Week
Which
Takes
On
To
What
Should
We
Do
Normally
You
Pick
A
Pick
A
Year
Or
Something
Don't
You
Say
I
Have
To
Say
I
Need
A
We
So
I
Play
Easy
I'm
Gonna
Have
A
We
Let's
Play
Easy
I'm
Gonna
Go
And
Have
A
We
Yeah
And
Then
When
We
Come
Back
If
You
Pick
A
Year
Yeah
We'll
Have
A
Look
What
Good
Idea
Plan
Know
It
Sounds
Funny
But
I
Just
Can't
Stand
The
Pain
Girl
I'm
Leaving
You
Tomorrow
Seems
To
Me
Girl
You
Know
I
Done
All
I
Can
You
See
A
Big
Store
In
The
Borough
Yeah
It's
Why
I'm
Easy
I'm
Easy
Like
Sunday
Morning
Yeah
It's
Why
I'm
Easy
Yeah
Easy
Like
Sunday
Morning
I want to be high
So high
I want to be free to know the things I do alright
I want to be free to know the things I do
Just move
I want to be free to know the things I do
Just move
I want to be free to know the things I do
And I want to be free to know the things I do
I want to be free to know the things I do
It is actually Sunday morning, isn't it?
Sunday morning, yeah it is
I've got to go to Ireland later
Yeah
For the week
Maybe when you're listening to this
It might not be Sunday morning
Oh
We've not done a time thing, have we?
A future time and past time and
Yeah
Do you know it's a bit
It's a bit weird listening to
I sometimes go back and listen to old episodes
That we've done
Yeah, yeah
It's really
Like I listen
Every time we've done one
I listen to it all the way through
Like the morning
It comes out
And I think
God, we're amazing
And then
But sometimes I'll go back and listen to something we've done
Like a year ago
Yeah, yeah
And I think
Oh, we're awful
Isn't that weird?
Yeah, like you come
But there's not been a
We've not had a strategy meeting, have we?
We've not sat and
A strategy meeting
We've not done bullet points
Advising ourselves as to
How do we improve our podcast?
How do we
Could you imagine that?
Yeah
I can hear
I did not like a
PowerPoint
Yeah
How are you feeling about the name Riffology now?
Do you feel like it's us yet?
I keep wanting to
Like when Gemma says
Like where are you?
I have to stop myself
Doing
Writing Monster Shop
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
Me too
And I keep
I did
I wrote some
Code to go and do a
Like a graphic
For one of the memes
Most of my day
Sorry
Is Gemma saying
Where are you?
Because I don't tell her
That's it
Where are you?
But I'm the same
I keep putting
I keep putting Monster Shop
Yeah, yeah
But I do feel like Riffology's
I'm starting to feel like it's us
It looks nice
Yeah, it does look nice
But it's like
It looks like somebody else's
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
Do you know what I mean?
It's like
It takes a while
A little bit
I think for it to feel like
It's like the year changing
Isn't it?
You're still writing 2024
And it's 2025
Oh, yeah
It's just that
That's all it is
At school
When you have to write the date
At the top
Yeah, I still do that now
Because I'm still 15
I think
I'm sure that's why I teach
Because in my head I'm like
No, no, you're still at school, mate
You put like a ruler line down it
Nice and neat
Yeah
Nice and neat
Best writing
Yeah, best writing
First page
Do you know
My eldest has done his options
For GCSEs this year
Do you know one of the things he's studying?
No
Ancient Greek
Really?
Because he's doing
Like he's a proper nerd
He's just doing maths
More maths
Yeah
Even more maths
Yeah
Sciences
Because they're a bit like maths
Yeah
And then they're doing astronomy
Because he quite likes astrophysics
And I just got maths in it
More maths
Yeah, yeah
And then they said to him
He's got to do something
That's not that
Yeah
So he's doing ancient Greek
No, I didn't know much about ancient Greek
Do you know what ancient Greek is?
Maths
Just maths
Well, no, you can't speak here
History and maths
And do you know how he chose everything?
Like he confided in me this week
How he chose his school options
And I was like, you really like history
He said, oh, you have to do too much writing in that
And then looking down everything
Literally his options
Oh, where does one not do the writing?
Yeah, so everything he's chosen
His favourite subjects
There's no writing in that
Wow
You don't have to write much in maths
And then everything's gone down to his least favourite
Yeah, yeah
Which is biology
Yeah
Because that's not a proper science
Yeah
He doesn't like that very much
Because sometimes you have to write about things
How do you go?
You can't go through life on that, can you?
Oh, that's interesting
Bless him
Yeah
Bless him
But there you go
Anyway, that's his
But he does that
He has to draw a line
And write his
Write the date
Yeah, do all that
Brilliant
You've chosen next week's
Yeah, we thought about democracy
Then we thought, no
Sometimes we're democratic
Sometimes we do a poll
Yeah
Yeah, not this time
Because we keep
Like Fat of the Land
I want to say
For about six or seven episodes
Across the history of time
We said
We're definitely going to do
The Fat of the Land next week
Yeah
And then it never happened
No
And we've done exactly the same
For Rage Against the Machine's first album
We have
I really like
Rage Against the Machine's album
I know that they're
They're probably not a cool band anymore
I think
No
There's a lot of it
Whenever you see
I saw a post from Tom Morello
And everybody was just
Ripping them apart
Going, oh yeah
You are the machine
Yeah, yeah, yeah
And I think that'll be really interesting
To
To look at
And obviously
They're an incredibly political band
The music's
Like I think phenomenal
Yeah
But they're an incredibly political band
And I think that'll be really interesting
Because I'm really curious about that
I think that will be
Yeah, yeah, yeah
Do you know what I mean?
Is it
How do you feel about bands
Like
Ted Nugent
For example
He's a good example
So he
Lots of people
Have a different political spectrum
To Ted Nugent
Yeah
And then you're like
Are you still allowed to listen to his music?
Yeah, yeah, yeah
Do you know what I mean?
Is that allowed?
Are you allowed to listen to
If somebody's got a different political opinion
Yeah
But you like their music
Or
Is listening to the music
You saying
I agree
Yeah, yeah, yeah
With the politics
And I think that's fascinating
I really think it's interesting
Because
Ultimately
Rage Against the Machine
We're just saying
Yeah
You know
Ask questions
Yeah
They weren't kind of going
Oh, you need to be
This political party
Although they did have
A little bit of
That leaning
But
Yeah, it's really interesting
And you can
Like I say
You can see a lot of that
In socials at the minute
Yeah
Because they're out on tour
Charging $400 a ticket
Yeah, exactly
Yeah
And it's kind of like
What
What are you now then?
Yeah, what's that all about then?
Yeah, yeah
You were always telling us
That, you know
That was a bad thing
And now
Got to pay $400
To see you
Wang your guitar about
Yeah
With your tongue
Or whatever you're doing
Yeah
So I think that's interesting
But this is one of my favourites
I have this on vinyl
Yeah, I've got it on vinyl
Wow
I've got this one on vinyl
And I really, really like it
It's one of the albums
That I think has grown on me
Over the years
I liked it when it came out
A bit
It was quite cool
Yeah
But I think it's an album
That I think I've learned
To appreciate more
But yeah, I like some of the
Pink Floyd records
Similar to that as well
I liked them
But then
Yeah
You know
But this is one that I
Regularly
You know
It rarely has dust on it
Yeah
I like this one quite a lot
Wicked
Again from 1992
Hmm
Guess where it was recorded?
Where?
Yeah
I don't know
I actually have no idea
Sound City
Oh, was it?
Yeah
Oh, I did know that actually
Yeah, I did know that
I've got a Sound City plug-in
And this week I recorded some guitars
Yeah
And then I made it sound like
It was recorded in Sound City
Did you sound like Tom Morello?
Yes
Did you go
Wicca, wicca, wicca
And all that
No, he puts it in the room
Oh, yeah
It's wicked
It's so good
Those plug-ins are mind-belting
A bit
Produced by
G-G-G-G-G-G-G
He did
Stoosh
Yes
I think this
And Stoosh
90s albums
Yeah, definitely
That's interesting
Similar energy, aren't they?
They are
Yeah
Similar sounding
And this was the one that
Skin talks about
As saying
Yeah, when I heard this
This one said it was okay
Yeah, yeah, yeah
For me to do politics
Everyone said before
You know, you can't do politics
You can't do politics
In music
Yeah
People won't like it
Yeah
And she said this
This was the one that said it was okay
Yeah, yeah, yeah
And I think sonically
They're quite similar
Yeah, yeah, yeah
And I love them both
Brilliant
Shall we bog off?
Let's bog off