monster shop or is it we're having an identity crisis aren't we today we are yeah i don't want
to go into that but i'm no one knows what monster shop is no that's the problem no it's like monsters
are rock is it monster this it's just i don't know yeah i don't and and it's bothered me because
i've been working on the blog yeah and because of that i've had to go and do wordpress things and
then i've had to go and do seo engine optimization and then it asks you for keywords and stuff when
you type in monster shop and then it thinks you like amazon or whatever and i'm like we're not a
shop we haven't got a shop we're not a shop we don't sell anything we do music and i need to buy
any crap off us and then it kind of hit i got i got hit with this thing i was like with just the name
of the podcast has got no relevance to what we do and that's bad apparently so i'm starting to think
about that yes so over the next few weeks we may well i don't know we may change no idea what we'll
do um but this week it is jagged little pill by alanis morissette whose name i can't spell i have
realized is it the s's and the r's i can't get the s's and t's oh the t's the s's and there's too many
s's and there's too many t's and i can't i mean it's quite it's two s's and two t's
one r my tiny two r's one r one r one r one r two s two t's there we go i keep going two s two t's
one r two s one r two s one r two s one r two s two t i should say i've made it a song you're not
ever gonna forget that chris has had uh coke and chocolate um chocolate and coca-cola let's be
clear yeah um variety this album alanis morissette jagged little pill released on june 13 1995 it's a
special year 1995 yeah it's a b it was a big year for music most most years around then were i was
gonna say it's melancholy yeah big year yeah it was a big year for that one and i can't believe we
haven't we we've got to do that at some point haven't we we've got to do the melancholy um i've
got another confession as well you got a confession yeah you're neil by the way yeah i'm neil this is
chris we are the monster shop still maybe it's come something else we may not we'll see yeah i listened
to some other podcasts this week yes they're all dead good on the sound i can't just talk about
plugins for a moment yeah go on because i haven't spoken about plugins for a week a few weeks i've not
changed anything you've not have you i'm normally i'm tweaking away i'm having a tweaked week
i have to say we've got lovely thick black cables yep got the repair cafe yeah i've mended my
microphone so i'm not going to touch it which is super duper yeah um and we're all good and the
harrison plugins are just you love absolutely wow i'll tell you what i did learn this week yeah
they're not very nice for cpu oh no they're hungry because they don't look very because normally what
the pretty ones are the hungry ones yeah this one isn't particularly pretty yeah but it must be
doing some absolute wizardry underneath just mathematics yes it's all mathematics and it's
very good i like i like the sound so i like the sound i think we sound good yeah i like it yeah
yeah very good um i what did i want to oh my confession i i've never listened to this album end to end
no you said that earlier i was like what really just never ever listened to it it's an album that
everyone of my age yeah particularly female yeah owned a copy of this record millennial yeah millennial
girls yeah all are born what's millennials i don't know i'm i'm gen x right so that i i think gen x if
you were born after 80 you're millennial okay is that right yeah that would make sense because
that's why i am it might be it might be later than that yeah i shouldn't i'm after 80 but so
everyone after 80 has this has a cop had a cd copy of this record somewhere maybe yeah yeah
something i'm because i'm just gonna i'm just gonna i'm gonna i'm gonna i'm gonna i'm gonna
when i'm gonna type on my ipad when when these things were were i i thought then when were
millennials born yeah yeah between 1981 and 1996 okay right so that's you yes that is you and i'm
gen x so i'm older than you yeah um my the girls in my generation had definitely had like absolutely
definitely had this but this is i think this is a well 33 million people had it in there i think this
was a um for me this was a like a slippery when wet or a new jersey like from for my lot right this
because you were you were like but you just you couldn't move without hearing those albums and you
knew all the lyrics this for me i would have been we were in the pubs and stuff yeah and this would
have been playing in the background but it was so i knew the singles yeah yeah yeah but it wasn't
something i would have been listening to like at home no and it's been i have to be honest it's been
really good fun listening to this like without the hype and without all of yeah yeah yeah do you know
to me without the without your mates judging you do you know what i mean oh you're listening to a
girl's album which is what would have happened if i if you'd have if you're in your car you'd have had
that yeah yeah if you've got your slayer tape yeah it's fine if you'd got i don't know well i'm trying
to think how where where it would have got to before you'd have got abuse yeah yeah yeah do you know
what i mean if you got like chesney hawks yeah abuse yeah and like so it's like but and then the
jagged little pill would that wouldn't have gone down very well no unless you got a girl with you in
which case you could say that was hers yeah that would have been fine yeah um but listening to it
this week it's been really cool and do you know a record but you know what she's really good i think
the the thing that hit me with this record is that there's not one thing that is like super
special you know you know like when you listen to pink floyd yeah you've got like dave gilmore yeah
and you've got some songwriting you've got you know and you think oh that's like it's just out of this
world that's out of this world jagged little pill is like none of it like none of it like musically is
like oh god it's the best thing ever yeah the storytelling yeah is phenomenal she's got this ability
to tell a story and make you feel or connect with it yeah that i think is just outstanding i don't think
i've ever come across another artist that's got the ability to tell stories like she does and
you know and i think that some of the interviews where she talks about how this was you know kind of
largely autobiographical and the record company hated it and yeah and all of that i mean she got
dropped by that well she was a she was like a for one of a better term she was a bit of a britney
wasn't a pop star yeah she came from like a tv background it was like what you'd call a like a
disney thing now but obviously in canada it was whatever that was um i had saved up some money um
from a show called you can't do that on television and obviously when you're that age you don't really
have any expenses so it was just sort of sitting in my account and i knew that i wanted to put it into
my music so i did and i had you know distributed on my own label so it began the only difference
between the way i see it now and the way i saw it then even up until my into my teens was just that
at that time music and theater it was all for the sake of entertainment whereas now the way i see it is
that it's for the sake of communication for me more now stylistically the difference between the music
that i did when i was younger to compare to now um is that a lot of the music that i wrote back then
was for the sake of entertainment and it was much safer i don't think i was secure enough and and
um fearless enough to be as unadulterated as i was on this record and the environment that i was
writing in the creative environment wasn't conducive to me being as open um whereas now you know i write
with glenn ballard and it's just very um it's very warm and open and non-judgmental so it's it's really
you know very spiritual experience whereas before it wasn't quite the same and um it's just more about
communication for me now and it's just a real pure way of doing it and i feel much more comfortable
doing it this way i was younger it was also a different era musically and i i think at that time
i didn't really know what it meant to be true to true to yourself musically you know and it wasn't
until i did tap into this way of sort of stream of consciousness writing and um sort of that
accelerated pace in which you just sort of like a frenzied way of writing that that i knew that you
know it's in retrospect now that i realize how how i hadn't really tapped into my true true voice
pardon the pun and i lived in toronto on my own for a couple years just to learn whatever it is
you learn when you're on your own and i grew personally which i think sort of had quite a bit
to do with with why the record is the way that it is and when i moved to los angeles i knew there was
this sort of um intangible energy you know this potency in that city and while there was a lot of
darkness and and sort of pretension i also knew that there was this this sort of core of the city
that had a lot of ambition and and nobody really tries to stop you when you want to do something
there's nobody raising any eyebrows really i like that so she was like a child star sort of and then
and then had a couple of records that were very much bubblegum pop yeah really and and then and then
this comes along which is like an indie old grunge masterpiece yeah she did two two records in
1991 she did an album called alanis and then now is the time in 92 and they were sugary yeah
bubblegum pop music was awful yeah it was like but she was only 15 stock aching and water yes exactly
style kind of yeah it was it was yeah it was extraordinary she was a kid she was like a
like a sort of a mighty cyrus type thing there's a lovely bit in the inter i don't know whether you've
got the clip in there there's a lovely bit in the interview where she opened for um oh what was his
name um oh vanilla ice yeah and she was on support for vanilla ice when she was 14 yeah i didn't use
that interview because there's a howard stern one oh and he talks too much and you can't hear what
they're saying because he's talking it's very good but it's more him than you know um one of the one
of the names that um i was thinking for the new show was riffology riffology and i shared it with my
kids yeah and they both burst out laughing i said apparently there's a there's a meme going around
like a gen alpha meme yeah called yapology right for people that talk too much i thought well how rude
which i mean to be fair that's what a podcast isn't it a podcast is a platform you can talk too much
yeah yeah and we do 90 minutes often yeah it was an hour and a half it was like over over that i did
lindsey wrote in and said that's too long did she she said it'd be like last week was all right
yeah and this week will be all right being long yeah but she said if it was judas priest she'd have
to like poke her eyes out which is a bit rude judas priests are awesome do you know that out that out
judas priests um uh uh living after midnight that i don't know for very much that's one of the songs
that like properly hooked me into the that was like oh that's it i'm having that um i forgot where i got to
do now oh yes um the thing yeah thing i wanted to talk about was is 91 and 92 she did those two
awful albums avoid them uh very very bad um i made the mistake of going back to 91 for alonis and it's
it's extraordinarily poor it's a very unpleasant record um and uh but but but the bit the bit that's really
interesting to me is that she uh she just made this random not random choice but she made this
decision to yeah yeah this is not who i am she had very much a thing but the thing that's i think that
i find fascinating about it is i wonder if she knew how good she was at storytelling yeah because because
there's a difference between uh like this kind of she was 19 yeah this this album yeah when she did this
little pill this album which is one of the most incredible like contemporary songwriter albums
you know i mean the songs and the stuff that came out the song craft is yeah like the the song craft is
otherworldly you know there's like the wisdom that's within these songs from a as you say a storytelling
perspective but also the compositional um perspective because they're not particularly like musically
complicated but they're just like incredibly formed do you think that's glenn ballard this is it isn't
it so so whenever whenever she's interviewed pretty much every interview um that i've listened to about
this is she glenn comes up so she talks about glenn as if it was like it was a creative partnership yeah
it wasn't just that he was like producing her record for her like he was with her creating these songs
and creating this record and it was a very much like it felt it feels very much like it was a very nurturing
process i'd written with almost 100 different people between the ages of 16 and my having that glenn at
around 19 years old so i just knew i wasn't going to stop until i was working with someone or sitting
across from someone who would allow me the space to be who i was and express exactly what was going on for
me in real time and sitting with glenn that was the invitation he was basically saying who are you
and let's you know both of us were saying let's have one plus one equal five and it really did start
that way out of the gate with us well the one-dimensionalization of being singularly perceived
as angry was almost comical because i don't know any human being that's singularly anything you know and
then later on it was that i was singularly spiritual and then singularly philosophical so
it there's a little bit of a violence to trying to have any human being be one thing and at the same
time if there were to be one thing ascribed to me i'll take anger it's an empowering force and when
it's destructive it's you know no one's having any fun but when i take it up on what it's offering which
is just this empowerment and this movement out of depression or movement out of despondency anger is a
gorgeous forest i'll take it a handful of people weren't happy because they they thought the record
was too caustic quote unquote and um i quickly had to figure out what that word meant before i could
respond and i just thought wow if you want a record from someone who's 39 years old and is mellowed out
perhaps a little bit um don't sign a 19 year old who's been repressing a lot her whole teenage years
and exploding you know and writing very kind of urgently and they knew what they were getting into when they
met me so as a canadian i basically attempted to re-record two or three of them to assuage their
concerns but ultimately everyone loved the original demos and the original take on it so we returned
to what we started with thankfully i would tell my 19 year old 20 year old self um that it would be
okay to have a couple of needs and to ask for help and lean on people i think there was this sort of
survivalist soldier aspect that i'd adopted long before i wrote jagged little pill that i continued
to adopt and um you know i i feel very proud about how i held myself at the time i remember my manager
basically saying lannis god bless you just keep looking down keep looking at the train track right
in front of you one step at a time because it was really overwhelming there's a lot of stimulation
a lot of projection a lot of people hurling their unsolicited opinions at me so i stopped listening
to people to be frank i just kind of shut down as i see a lot of celebrities do when they're in survival
mode i think that there's a freedom and a liberation for artists which i very much like of this direct
contact with people there's less of a bottleneck where we're beholden to appeasing or um
um you know basically adhering to any requirements that are made of us where our our loyalty really
is to our own expression and our own art and we work with people who really get that so there's less
swimming upstream as an artist more freedom um and over time i just saw that that whole developmental
mindset with record companies that they used to have in the 60s and 70s where they'd be with an artist for
the long haul that went away pretty quickly um when especially with the digital era coming into play but
there is a freedom now for people to try their hat at anything and to just go for it and throw the
noodle up against the wall and see if it sticks so i do like that freedom so he saw he saw the essence of
what she was and she understood that he saw that yeah so so because the other people she'd obviously been
you know because she was like a child superstar she'd obviously been farmed across you know hundreds of
writers going oh you should write with this guy this guy writes with blah blah blah and all this stuff
and then glenn comes along and then all of a sudden there's this connection this is this is the sense
that i get from here in the interviews and from what i understand of glenn ballard he doesn't get
involved with records where he's just a knob twiddler yeah or you know he is like he is invested in
that person as a creative entity and shapes their output and helps helps produce a record in in the
kind of very emotional and it's the combination isn't it i think i think for me it's the combination
of uh like glenn's like you say glenn's sensibility of how to produce a song and how to craft a song
and then you've got alanis yeah but he feels like he really right because i i think that storytelling bit
is that for me that's the bit that makes these and i know this but the production's really good
on these but it's it's 95 you it is just on that verge i think of of uh where compression was getting
too much because um uh oasis yeah uh um that that um oasis record so what's the story morning glory
is always the one that's credited as like that's the beginning of the loudness wars yeah um and
that's the same year yeah this isn't no i don't think this isn't this isn't compressed to the same
because like like well when you talk about melancholy as well the original not necessarily
the new ones because a lot of them have been remastered and that kind of thing but back then
you had to turn the thing up yeah yeah it was it was deliberately mastered quieter so you turned it
up to get the sound to get the diamond yeah and i think that so like morning glory to where it sounds
really dead to me that yeah it's got really dead i mean they've remastered it since and it sounds a
lot less crappy but that the original kind of thing yeah it's got no dynamics to it i think it's being
it's compressed yeah and it sounds loud yeah but everything is no kind of up and down and especially
because like morning glory is quite an interesting record from a songwriter there's a lot of dynamics to
it and you you kind of go but you do with this yeah there's so many there's so many delicate
moments that would be ruined by loudness in this record do you know the other thing that also hits
me with this and i don't know whether and you'll tell me that i'm imagining this probably but it sounds
like a lot of the vocals sound really tightly mic'd you can hear hugely you can hear lots of really tight
yeah but you can hear the voice can't you you can hear breath and stuff like that but then whenever
you see her sing whenever you see like videos of alana singing these songs she's like eight feet
from the mic but you can still hear it she's got a big voice and it's like just yeah this for not i
think it's incredible so because it sounds like um it sounds like the mic is kind of in in her face
yeah because you you like you say it's really intimate sound it feels like you know um because
the vocals quite forward um yeah but it's still quite delicate in places all right i'm gonna make a
statement yeah i think i think she is one of the greatest vocalists on the planet oh wow that's a
big one yeah yeah that's a big one yeah i think she is i think she's i think she's you know you get
these singers that do all the gymnastics and they do yeah clever yeah yeah yeah she just knows how to
communicate with her voice and and and she does she she the way she accentuates the little ornament she
puts on it she has this thing where she flicks into a falsetto yeah i've properly copied that yeah so
if you ever hear honestly if you ever hear me sing yeah like listen listen to landis morissette and go oh
that's how you started because i'm trying to the little it sounds like a like a little yodely
yeah yeah yeah yeah that's amazing it's a real affectation but it's really unique to her yeah yeah
you can hear um dolores from the cranberries oh yeah i don't yeah she does actually just flicks into
this moment kind of yeah yeah yeah she does it's got a name i think it's supposed to be a thing that
actually preserves your voice oh right if you if you if you if you take taper things off with this
particular kind of flick it does it does something quite uh it's quite nice for you maybe maybe vince
neil should have done more of that over the years um someone said that one said oh you do that thing
where it's like the voice protects the thing that you do i was like no i don't know what are you trying
to be alonis morissette yeah yeah i was just trying to copy i run that was when we go into your bedroom
was that yeah and you've got a big alonis posters there was a precedent setting time to writing
especially the song perfect on jagged little pill it was written in 20 minutes the music and lyrics were
written at the same time it was as though it was channeled it was really a fast process so the living
of the life that i'm commenting on obviously takes decades but the actual visceral moment of
expression takes anywhere from 20 to 45 minutes some 50 of the time i'll come in with an idea
and flesh it out and then the other 50 of the time i have no idea what i'll write about and i let
the music dictate it sometimes it's never quite enough
if you're flawless
then you're in my love
don't forget to win first place
don't forget to keep that smile on your face
be a good boy
try a little harder
you've got to measure up
make me
out
how long
before you screw it up
how many times do i have to tell you
i have to tell you to hurry up with everything i do for you the least you can do is keep close
be a good girl
you've got to try
you've got to try a little
Make us proud.
I'll live for you, I'll make you what I never was.
If you're the best, maybe so am I.
Compared to him, compared to her, I'm doing this for you alone damn good.
You'll make up for what I've learned, what's the problem?
Why are you crying?
Be a good boy
Push a little further now
That wasn't fast enough
To make us happy
We'll love you
Just the way you are
If you're perfect
So I would listen to the female gorgeous singers like Etta James and Aretha Franklin and Whitney Houston and I thought if I could sing along with them and hit every note they could hit that I'm legit
I honestly think she's amazing
there's there's there's a footage of around
It might be a bit later
It might be 99 but it's one of these big festivals
Yeah
And she's she's a dynamo
She's like I
The energy that she has on that stage
On that stage
And just the vibe that she gives off and the vibe of the band and everything like that
You just think what an energy she must have been to be around at that time
She doesn't care
She's I think this like force of nature now
I think I think going through that that process of like 91 92 and and she would have been really objectified and she's done that
Yeah
And then and then jagged little pill was her just writing her stuff I kind of feel that she after that that she and she talks about this are kind of just like not not really engaging with and shutting down
Yeah, yeah, yeah
She knows what she wants
But what you see now I think she's been through that and come out and just got I don't care I just don't care anymore
The thing about her though for me is that I she's one of the few artists I tell you there's two artists actually that I like this for me
But she's one of the few artists that I much prefer live in that acoustic set, you know what there's just kind of, you know, just some acoustic guitars and her and you can really hear her voice and you can hear us and you can hear that like almost playing with the words
Yeah, yeah, yeah
And I think she's phenomenal. She's brilliant live. Yeah, she's brilliant. She's absolutely brilliant in the acoustic set. The other one is Taylor Momsen that does that. Yeah, she's she's got this thing
She's got this thing where I swear in the studio must be the child star thing
But in the studio they I would say they've ruined Taylor's voice, but they don't it's it sounds and I've seen the pretty reckless live a couple of times and
Her voice live is is so much better than it is on the record. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and I do wonder why
I tried to cage it a bit or something. Yeah, I don't know what they're doing to but but the same with Alanis for me in that the album
I mean you can hear the dynamics of a voice on on jagged little pill
Yeah, yeah
But it's really different to a lot of the acoustic stuff that they did you know when they were doing the tour of the album and you know all of the chat shows and stuff
The band would quite often do acoustic versions of the tracks. I don't know
For me you can hear her voice. Yeah, so much better on those than you can on the record. Yeah. Yeah
I think one thing that she's one thing that she she has got she has got the real power to work to write a top line
You know like something like could so like like hand in my pocket for example just as an example
From a
A kind of structure and a chord sequence perspective as a song. Yeah, it's hugely simple. Yeah, it's very very simple
It mainly drones on a G throughout and then I think it's a G. I'm assuming it's a G. So
It's it probably is if you're saying it's a G probably probably energy, but yeah
If it's not in G the cause I'm about to say the equivalent relationships to a G but you had the idea and then he goes sort of
Like for the chorus like an F a G a C energy again and and that's pretty much the whole song
You know, oh, yeah, yeah, it flicks into a D to the section off, you know, but but and then he loops that all the way through
Yeah, but and the dynamics don't change too much in that song either. So where where is the interest coming from? Because that's all
Songcraft is good. Yeah, what you're doing is you're taking the listener on a journey
And there's a number of ways in which you do that you either do it through the through the structure of your song and your core sequences
And the way you guide them or you do it by telling a story through dynamics or a combination of both
She manages to do it with just the top line
So throughout the whole song you are led pretty much through the whole album
You'll you are led by her her top line singing Wow
So that that lead vocal line
Yeah, and I think this is your storytelling bit yeah guides you through the whole record. It doesn't stop
Glenn and I were sitting in the studio one day and
We were not coming up with something right away. So we were being hard on ourselves as usual and
I just sat down and wrote out exactly how I felt and at the time I just had no money and I was borrowing money from my manager Scott and
You know living in hotel rooms and people's couches and us you know
It was probably the most difficult time throughout this whole process has not necessarily been adjusting to this success of the record
But was during the making of the record so sitting there on the couch
I wrote exactly how I felt and they wound up being the lyrics and Glenn and I wrote them all together so
I'm broke but I'm happy
I'm poor but I'm kind
I'm short but I'm healthy
Yeah
I'm high but I'm grounded
I'm sane but I'm overwhelmed
I'm lost but I'm hopeful
I'm hopeful, baby
And what it all comes down to
Is that everything's gonna be fine, fine, fine
Cause I've got one hand in my pocket
And the other one is giving a high five
I feel drunk but I'm sober
I'm young and I'm underpaid
I'm tired but I'm working
Yeah
I care but I'm restless
I'm here but I'm really gone
I'm wrong and I'm sorry, baby
And what it all comes down to
Is that everything's gonna be quite alright
Cause I've got one hand in my pocket
And the other one is spicking a cigarette
I'm free but I'm focused
I'm green but I'm wise
I'm hard but I'm friendly, baby
I'm sad but I'm laughing
I'm brave but I'm chicken shit
I'm sick but I'm pretty, baby
And what it all boils down to?
Is that no one is spicking a cigarette
And the other one is spicking a cigarette
I read a fantastic review
I read some really interesting reviews
About Alanis Morissette
Some like back when this Jagged Little Bill came out
I think everyone was pretty positive
It was the ones after
You know when everyone's feeling a little bit
Oh it's not as good I prefer the first one
Yeah yeah yeah
But they weren't the ones that hit me
The one that really hit me was
There was this brilliant review
And it was saying that
She has this ability
To like touch everybody
You know there is a lyric
There is a part of Jagged Little Pill
That anyone can relate to
That everybody resonates with
Whether it's a breakup
Or whether it's feeling happy
Whether it's you know
Whatever that happens to be
There is a bit in this record
You know for everybody
And that's what they were attributing
That you know
It's her voice
You know I think Glenn's
Like structure
The song structuring skills
And the production
It all is kind of
All comes together
Yeah
But then the lyrics
And that connection to people
Do you know you've just got
Like every
Like no one bit
Is enough to carry the whole thing
But the combination of all of it
Is like bigger
It's bigger than the sum of its parts
Yeah yeah yeah
That's what I'm trying to say
It's kind of
You know it's not just about
A 19 year old angry at the world
It's not just that
About someone who can sing
It's not just about a dude
Who's able to structure songs
The combination of all the bits
Is
Just makes it like
Like super special
I think
This record
And I've really enjoyed it this week
Like I say
It's an album that I have not
I think underappreciated
Yeah
Up to this week
And I've
Yeah I've really
Really enjoyed it
And bizarrely
You know like
Half of the album's lyrics
And without having
Do you know what I mean
Without
Without listening
Just from being in pubs
In 95 probably
I suspect
But
It's extraordinary
The other thing
About this record
You know
We talked about her
Shift in identity
Yeah
So this change
You know
From like
This objectified pop
Princess individual
Type character
To this
Very very
Almost like
Wise beyond her years
Very considered
Yeah yeah
Eloquent
Yeah
Complicated
When she played God
In dogma
Yeah yeah
I know
I only have one perception
Of this world
And it's my own
So
You know
I am who I am
And I know that it's
Odd sometimes
And people
Sort of raise their eyebrows
And they don't understand
Where I'm coming from
And they actually question it
And it's a little frustrating
Sometimes but
It's what I know
And it's who I am
And I've been surrounded
By adults
I guess from a very young age
And everyone has
A particular spirit
That they're instilled
With when they're born
And mine
I guess was very
Very hungry for knowledge
And has this sort of
Insatiable appetite
For growing
So
I don't know
There's still that
Bit of me that goes
Jagged little pill
19 years old
It doesn't make any sense
To me
No
She hasn't seen
Too much of the world
Perhaps
Yeah yeah
She seems to have
There's a world
There's a worldliness
About the writing
On the album
But the thing about it
Is as well
Is that
There was a transition
To almost having like
The band sound
So I think
There was
I think a lot
Of the drums
Are loops
And like
Beats and electronic
And samples maybe
I'm not sure
There probably is
You know
There probably was
A session drummer
Around or whatever
But
The band
It's got a very
Band sound
So you've got
The guitars on there
You've got the kind
Of keyboards and organs
There's the odd
Little bit of synth
But it's mainly
Guitar driven
Yeah
So it gives
I think it gives
A more authentic
Perception
As a record
And how the songs
Sit
It definitely adds
To the production
As well
You know
That I think
It sounds
Slicker
Yes
Than if
They'd had a drummer
That's probably
Going to offend
All the drummers
But the drummer
Came later
And of course
That drummer
Was Taylor Hawkins
Yeah
So like
So I think
I don't know
Whether Taylor
Was around
For the album
I don't think
He played on this
I think it's got
Dave Navarro on it
Yeah so Dave Navarro
And Flea
Played on
You ought to know
Yeah
So you know
They did that
And I think
Like Glenn Ballard
I suppose he played
Loads of stuff on it
Glenn Ballard
Credited for
Drumming
Programming
Okay so he did that
Yeah so I don't think
I mean they would have
Had a drummer
For the live show
They wouldn't have
Had like you know
ZX Spectrum
In the back
But yeah
And that's probably
Where Taylor came in
Wasn't it
For that first live tour
Well I think
There was a thing
About you know
Him doing
Him doing the
Alanis thing
Yeah
And then I think
You know Dave
Dave Grohl going like
Do you want to come
And do this thing
With me
Yeah
And I think
Because Dave
Dave Grohl did
The similar thing
With the Foo Fighters
Record where it was
Kind of him
Playing and doing
Everything
Yeah
And then suddenly
It needed to go
On the road
And he needed
A band to do it
Well then both
Albums came out
In the same year
Ah there we go
So Foo Fighters
Came out in the same
In the same year
Yeah
Definitely a choice
Of like Taylor going
I'm sorry I've got to
Go and do this
This thing with Dave Grohl
You know
There was a very
You know there was
A kind of thing
Did you see
This week
It's probably
We're going to go off
Piste a little bit
That's not like us
No it's not
You know the LA Fire
Thing they did
Oh yeah yeah yeah
But Nirvana
Yes
Got back together
Yeah
For
Who was it
Which sang
I'm trying to think
Joan Jett sang
Yeah
And
Dave Grohl's daughter
Dave Grohl
Dave Grohl's daughter
Yeah
Do you know the thing
That really hit me
About that
Is just how
Rude and cruel
People were
In the comments
Ah
Yeah yeah yeah
If that was you
You're a dickhead
Yeah
Just
Honestly
I just thought
It was
Same for
Linkin Park
When they did it
With Emily
And you just think
What
You know you've got
Such a legacy
And it's a nice
Thing to do
And they're doing it
For the you know
For the show
And you know
It wasn't like
Oh you know
We're going to get
Back together
And sell a bunch
Of albums
It was just like
Yeah let's go
And do it
I think quite clearly
Dave isn't that keen
To come and do
Foo Fighters
This stuff
You know
Because of Taylor
I'm assuming
At the minute
So well
Yeah Nirvana
Is you know
It's been a long time
So maybe
People will be alright
And they weren't
No
They were just going
Oh no one can sing
It's awful
Tone deaf
Terrible
You know
It's just like
Get over yourselves
But I
Yeah I thought
That was
I thought that was
Pretty cool
If I'm honest
To do that
Yeah
I haven't even heard it
And I should really
Because I used to love Nirvana
But it's alright
It's quite
It's quite good
I think it's quite
Good fun
And imagine
Poor Dave's daughter
She's just
Made me quite
Quite grumpy
If I'm honest
I think there's
The lack of empathy
Isn't it
Yeah it is
You don't have to like it
You know
It's not like
No one's saying to you
Oh you can't go
And listen to
Nevermind anymore
It's just
They're just
Playing some music
They're just
Playing some music
Honestly
Can you imagine
The people
That are that grumpy
That have got to go
And smash the keyboard
Because I think
The band came
After the album
With the Jagged Little Pill tour
And that kind of thing
Yeah yeah yeah
Definitely
But I think that
It was very
You know
They got the right people together
And there was
What I'm trying to say
Is it wasn't
It wasn't a singer
With a backing band
Like the Alanis thing
Was a band
We've been together
For about four or five months
I auditioned
About 50 people
And
Obviously I was basing it
On their musicianship
And how well they could play
But also on their spirit
And their attitude
And I wound up
Really lucking out
With these guys
Because each one of them
I mean they couldn't be
More different from each other
If they tried
But together we have
This amazing synergy
And love really
And I'd like to think
I'll be with them for a while
But it didn't
Sell initially
What Jagged Little Pill didn't
Yeah
It didn't launch itself
Because no one knew
Who she was
Yeah
So this is a debut
Essentially
Yeah of course
Right
And it was only
If
I'm going to look at my sheet
I'm looking at my sheet
I think it was
You Ought to Know
It's one of the big singles
Ironical something
Yeah
One of those singles
Got looped up
And got absolutely
You know
Grabbed an MTV
Right
And all of that stuff
And yeah
Just absolutely
Do you know another band
That did that
Was Alice in Chains
Right
Okay
Alice in Chains
Didn't go anywhere
And then it got picked up
Alice in Chains
Was the movie
I would say singles
Something like that
The song was in there
Yeah the song was in the movie
And that just launched them into
Wow
The stratosphere
Same with this
Came out
Didn't do much
And then
The whole MTV thing
And then it went
Then it went nuts
From there
Once it caught
It went mental
Just absolutely
Off the
Off the charts
33 million copies
Worldwide
Which is
Proper mad
Isn't it
It's just
Absolute
I mean we talk about
These iconic albums
But this is
I mean it's
Yeah
It's up there
We're the biggest albums
Ever
Yeah
On the planet
Ever
I do like
As well with these
That
Obviously I like
Vinyl
I like
The whole
I'm quite obsessed
With vinyl at the moment
What I like about it
Is it sold
33 million copies
Yeah
The first pressings
This is in 95
I don't think
This was pressed on
Vinyl
No I think it was
CD
Wasn't it
CD and tape
Yeah
No one was
No one had
Record players
Yeah it wasn't a thing
Yeah
So you
You kind of had that
So the original
Your dad had records
Yeah
Or your mum
Your mum had a record
They weren't listening
To Alanis
No
Were they
Yeah yeah
They were listening
To Mike Oldfield
That's true
Yeah
That's exactly what it was
Meatloaf
From Mike Oldfield
I like meatloaf
Meat
We should do
Meat
I want that interview
I want that
Children
If we do meatloaf
We've got to use
That children's interview
Where he forces
The presenter to call him
Mr Meat
For the duration
It's one of my favourite
Interviews of all time
The thing is
What we won't see
On the podcast
Is he's grinning
All the way through
He's just
He's having such a good time
Just
He's making her feel
She's feeling naughty
She's feeling really
She's feeling really kind of
She's all kind of
Hi there
Hi
Should I call you
Mr Meat
Should I call you
Meat or Loaf
And he said
You can call me
Mr Meat
And then
Oh dear
Yeah
Made me giggle
A lot
What did I want to
Doesn't it
Yeah
We'll get into that
But isn't his daughter
Married to Scott Ian
From Anthrax
Whose daughter
Meat
I don't know
I think Meat's daughter
Is married to Scott Ian
Yeah
I have no idea
I don't know why
My brain's gone there
If that's not true
That's a dream
Yeah
That I have
I'm a bit like that
If I'm honest
Shall I do some minor facts
Yes
Go for it
Let me go up
I'm going to have a look
I'm going to scroll
Right to the top
Of my fact list
Released
13th June 1995
It's genre tagged
From the record label
As post grunge
Is that because
It's got
It's got a synth on it
Yeah
I think it's because
It's got
It's got keyboards on it
Runtime
57 minutes
23 seconds
Proper album length
You don't like them that long
Do you
It's too long
It's on the verge
Yeah
57 minutes is alright
That's on the verge
An hour is too long
Yeah
57 minutes is alright
The problem
Once they go over an hour
I've forgotten
What I was started listening to
I'm like
Is this the same album
Has like Apple Music
Gone on to another album
Now
You might confuse
My thing with this one
With that runtime stuff
Is like
You know
Looking down the track list
And you go
Oh I like that one
Oh I like that
Oh that's a good one as well
You know what I mean
I don't think
There weren't
There weren't many singles
Off this record
There were probably like
The normal amount of singles
Like maybe three
At the time
Or four
Yeah four
But there are
At least
I want to say
There are at least
Double that
That could have been
Yeah that could have been
Yeah
I think you're right
Record label
Maverick
And Reprise
She was
Dropped
From
Yes
Her Canadian
The Canadian company
Because they
Wanted another pop album
Yeah
Which
So she went from
Canada to LA
Yep
And then went shopping
When she'd got the album done
Yeah exactly
And really shopped it
But the bit that's
Fascinating about that
Is she was
That was essentially
A debut at that point
She was
She was doing
A new
Totally new record
But the fact that
The record company
In Canada
Dropped her
Because she was going
To do an autobiographical
Record
And not another
Stock Aitken and Waterman
I bet they
I bet they regretted that one
33 million sales later
Oh god yes
Somebody is having a bad day
Imagine end of year review
So Bob
It's not my bloody fault
It was recorded
Westlake Recording Studios
In Los Angeles
Essentially that's
Glenn Ballard's
That's Glenn Ballard's
Yeah it's his bedroom
Basically
A producer was
Glenn Ballard
Who we've already spoken about
Gets his sleeves rolled up
Bit like
Mutt Lang
And Bob Rock
Yeah
It's like they're in the band
For a bit isn't it
Yeah yeah exactly
Which is fantastic
It won five Grammy Awards
Album of the Year
And sold 33 million copies
Worldwide
Yeah
So pretty much everybody
Like you know
Somebody who's got a copy
Of this somewhere
Yeah yeah
Which I think is really cool
I always like the cover
Of this
It's an album
That I liked the cover art
It's not
Bluey
Yes not obvious
Is it
It's kind of
No
But it's also got that
Like it kind of looks like
She's looking in a mirror
Almost
It's this
It's this kind of
It is reflective
Introspection sort of thing
I liked that
Yeah yeah yeah
Yeah
I thought that was
That was excellent
She did
We've already talked about
She did two albums
Before this one
This was her third record
She did Alonis in 91
And now is the time in 92
Which is terrible
Don't bother with them
They are on streaming
But don't listen to them
And then
Yeah then we had
Jagged Little Pill
Yeah
The cover art was by
Thomas Rechion
Oh
Rechion
I'm not sure how you
Pronounce that
Financial backing is credited
As coming from Maverick Records
But I think
She self-funded
Yeah I think she did that herself
I think probably the
PR and stuff that came later
Would have been
Yeah yeah
She definitely self-funded
Yeah
Alonis Morissette herself
Played the harmonica
Yeah
Glenn Ballard played everything else
But it's so funny
Because it sounds bandy
That's the thing about
Yeah yeah yeah
I mean that's Glenn Ballard
Ballard being dead good isn't it
Well it's just
Yeah
But it sounds like a band's playing it
You know and obviously
They got people in doing
Bits and Bobs for different songs
But he's a master really
Really good
Dave Navarro and Fleet
Play on You Ought to Know
Which is
I did not know that
I think that's really interesting
There is a guy that hears
You Ought to Know
I'm not sure whether he knows
It's about him
I mean I
My nature is not very angry
And that song was very
Very subconscious for me
It was
An opportunity for me
To actually listen to those
Dysfunctional voices
In the back of my head
And come to terms with them
Because I had repressed
How I felt about the situation
For so long
So I think
The only
I think people are misconstruing
Why I wrote the song
And I didn't write it
For the sake of revenge
I wrote it for the sake of release
I want you to know
That I'm happy for you
I wish nothing but the best for you both
I know the version of me
Is she perverted like me?
Would she go down on you in a theater?
Does she speak eloquently?
And would she have your baby?
I'm sure she'd make a really excellent mother
Cause the love that you gave
Every babe was able to make it
To make it enough for you
To live open wide
I know
And every time you see the man
You know how you told me
Till you died
But you're still alive
And I'm here
To remind you
Of the mess you left
When you went away
It's not fair
To deny me
Of the cross I bear
That you gave me
You, you, you
Ought to know
You seem very well
Things look peaceful
I'm not quite as well
I thought
You should know
Did you forget about me
Mr. Duplicity
I hate to fuck you
In the middle of dinner
There was a slap in the face
How quickly I was replaced
And are you thinking of me
When you fuck her?
Cause the love that you gave
That you made
Was a name
But I didn't get enough
For you to be open wide
Remembering time you see the man
But you know how you told me
You told me
Until you died
But you're still alive
And I'm here
To remind you
Of the mess you left
When you went away
It's not fair
To deny me
Of the cross I bear
That you gave to me
You, you, you
Ought to know
I'm here to be a man's life
Cause the joke that you made
And the bet that was paid
And I'm not gonna pay it
As soon as you close your eyes
And you know it
Every time I stretch my nails
And someone else is back
I hope you feel it
How can you feel it?
Well I'm here to remind you
Of a mess you left
When you went away
It's not fair
To deny me
On a cross I bear
That you gave to me
You, you, you
I'm here to remind you
Of a mess you left
When you went away
It's not fair
To deny me
On a cross I bear
When I check it to me
You, you, you
We shot that in the Mojave Desert
For three days
In Death Valley
And we just wanted to focus on
Not necessarily the literal take
Of what the lyrics are saying
I think that probably would have been overkill
We wanted to focus on
The sort of isolation
That I felt afterwards
And the coming to terms with it really
And that's how we did it
Recorded in 94
Obviously released in 95
They were trying to write and record
One song per day
During the recording process
So they were not
Dicking about
They were literally
Going in
Some days with
A tune
Some days without
And they would try and
Throw it together
Imagine that though
Imagine
You've been to work for a day
Yeah
And you know
Hand in my pockets
Yeah
Comes out of it
It's alright
It's alright for today
Good nice day's work
I love Alana's talking about
Some of these songs being channeled
Where she's
Yes
Yeah
She's like
There was no
No choice
No straining
Coming through
Yeah
And she said sometimes
I had the lyrics already
Sometimes the lyrics would come to the music
But I think that's kind of that
Relationship she had with Glenn
It seems
You know
I think super cool
Yeah
She talks about
Ironic being recorded in 15 minutes
Which is
Pretty excellent
Yeah
You think about it
Yeah
I think anyway
It was
It debuted
At number one
On the Billboard 200
Which is
Like
For a debut
That's
You know
It's pretty
Pretty bonkers
I think
Albums afterwards
Supposed former
Infatuation junkie
Came in 98
Sold 7 million
Under rug swept
Sold 2 million
Yeah
She did an MTV Unplugged
Which is my favourite
That's the one that I think is
That's my favourite
That was 99
That was 1.7 million
And then there was
Jagged Little Pill Acoustic
In 2005
Which only sold
400,000 copies
But I think that's because
People had stopped
Buying things
So that's the
Streamy time
I don't think it's
Streamy time
I think that's
Napster
Everyone downloaded it
Off the internet
Yeah
And then
Didn't pay for it
Yeah
The beginning of that one
So Lars Ulrich
Will come in
If you did that
Back then
You're on Lars's list
Eventually
He'll get to you
Like 3 in the morning
You'll have this
Rattling on the door
Angry Lars
You downloaded
In 1993
Anyway
Yeah
No he won't do that
Probably
Albums released the same year
Melancholy and the Infinite Sadness
Which is Chris's favourite album ever
Yeah
I was thinking what mine is
As much as I love Thrash
And all of the things
And really heavy stuff
I think the album that I've listened to
The most ever
Is Superstar Car Wash
Wow
That's really interesting
Z-Goo-Goo Dolls
Yeah
I do
That's one I go to
You had that in the car on the way
I did yeah
That's one I go to
When life is complicated
Yeah
I like that album
It's lovely
It's one of my absolute favourites
It centres you
It does
There's just something about that record
I just absolutely love it
I'm still trying to find a vinyl version
I've got a vinyl version of it
But it's in a box set
That's sealed
And it's super rare
And only a few copies were made of it
And I'm too scared to open it
In case it's worth millions in the future
The Pandora's box
Yeah so I'm trying to find another copy of it
But they were only pressed in the US
And I can't find a copy of it
And I'm really sad about it
If you have a copy
Of The Goo Goo Dolls
Superstar Car Wash
I would love to hear
Love to hear from you
Other things
What's the Story Morning Glory
Was also released that year
That's credited as starting the
The Loudness Wars
Where things were getting louder and louder
And more compression
So they sounded better on the radio
And then Foo Fighters
Also released their debut
Which is again
It's interesting
Right
Let me go back down
Through my list
Oh singles
Were
You Ought To Know
Where's my list
You Ought To Know
Hand In My Pocket
You Learn
Head Over Feet
And Ironic
Quite a few singles
According to my list
Quite a lot
For an album in 95
It was autobiographical
So lots of the songs
Are written about things
That she was going through
At the time
That relatable storytelling
I think is what makes it
That's the hook
That's what makes it
Absolutely super special
She did lots of touring
And interesting stuff
Out from that record
Where you know
Lots of these iconic albums
We talk about
The band goes off
And you know
We talked about Led Zeppelin
Who kind of famously
Didn't talk to anybody
They just went off
And did a massive tour
Big stadiums
And off they went
Alanis was on like
Saturday Night Live
And did all these interviews
And she was
She's so good
With like
For
Led Zeppelin
A terrible
In front of
Your news
And
You know
On like talk shows
And stuff
Alanis is just
So eloquent
It doesn't matter
What stupid nonsense
She gets asked
She's able to
Turn it into
Something that's like
You know
Like sage
You know what I mean
That's what I mean
About the wisdom thing
She's always had that
Kind of like
Yeah
I think she's
Absolutely phenomenal
But she did do
A massive tour as well
So she did that
Did all this kind of
You know
TV stuff
Then she did
A hundred shows
Off the back
In that
That
That 12 months
Show
The 12 months
After it came out
Which I think
Is just extraordinary
Bands
And people
She quotes
As
Influences
There's the two big ones
Tori Amos
Yeah
And Liz Phair
Wow
Yeah
Both great
Yeah
Now Liz Phair
Is phenomenal
I think she's
A great songwriter
As well
She's a phenomenal
I think
Incredibly underrated
Yeah
That's the thing
That's the interesting
Thing with Tori Amos
As well
So like
Little Earthquakes
Yeah
Which I think
Is just a staggering
Album
From a songwriting
Perspective
Probably
Similar
In like
Energy
Yeah
Similar in
Kind of persona
A little bit
Yeah
She was maybe
A bit more
Kind of Kate Bushy
I suppose
But
Kate Bushy
You're going to have
To describe
Your
What is that
Well
I get the
I bet Kate Bush
Has Kate Bush
Used this noun
Before
To Kate Bush
Something
I think it's
Who
Who could you sit
And just have a nice chat
With your mainstream friends
Yeah
And also your weird friends
Yeah
I think Alanis could do both
Yeah
I think Tori
And Kate
Yeah
Probably just the weird friends
Yeah
You know what I mean
That's what I think anyway
Yeah
I don't know
Bliss Fair was a bit edgy as well
Was she
Yeah
She's a bit edgy
Definitely
Artists influenced by
Jagged Little Pill
So artists that claim
That they
Took stuff from
Alanis
In their careers
Pink
Yeah
Okay
Avril Lavigne
Yeah
Undoubtedly
Yeah
Kelly Clarkson
Yeah
I think
I think Avril Lavigne
With
You know you talked about
The way
The way that
Alanis pronounces her words
I know they're both Canadian
So there might be something
In that as well
But
The way that she
Accentuates the words
Yeah
Is very similar
Yeah
She does
Doesn't she
Yeah
I like
I know
Avril Lavigne's a bit like
Nickelback
And it's not cool
You know it's not cool
Is it
Good songs
But I just think
They're both brilliant songwriters
I think Avril Lavigne is
Again she's underrated
I think she's fantastic
Movies that got released
In this year
95
Top Gun
I say that every time
Because one time
I wouldn't get it right
Toy Story
Was the big one
Toy Story
Do you know something else
That was released
And I remember
I was a part of this
You were part of the film
No
Something else got released
In
Oh I see
Windows 95
Was released in 1995
Yeah
And we had
Was that the one
That was released
With Microsoft
Then Carter
Yeah we had
It was the one
Where we paid
A million quid
For
Start me up
From
The Rolling Stones
So the story goes
The story when I joined
Was that
Bill Gates
Went to Mick Jagger
And said
I want to use
You want to use your song
Yeah
Can I use it
And he went
Get lost
Yeah
Nerd
Oh yeah
I'm busy being a rock star
Get out of my way
That's how I imagine
It makes it
And then
The rumour is
That Bill Gates
Went I'll give you
A million quid
And he went
Oh okay
You can do it
So then
Then he was allowed
To use it
And that's where
It came from
It cost a million quid
To be able to have
Start me up
Yeah
Because it was
When we had
The start menu
For the first time
There we go
Prior to that
You didn't have
A start menu
Ah
And people queued
Around the block
To get Windows 95
There we go
Saddos
Right
Five things
It won five Grammy Awards
33 million copies sold
All the songs
With only one or two takes
No more
It's got Dave Navarro
And Flea on it
Unbelievable
It inspired
A Broadway musical
Do you know that
Of the same name
Yeah
There was one of the interviews
That spoke about that
I didn't use any of it
But yeah
I didn't know that
It's been used in Glee
Yeah
Not a big fan of Glee
I've not watched it
But they
They played some songs
There is a Steve Coogan
And Rob Brydon
Show
Called The Trip to Italy
And they
They sing
In the car
To it
Which I think
Is absolutely excellent
South Park
Parodied it
Yeah
They thought it was very funny
They did not like
Alanis Morissette
They didn't like
A lot of bands actually
No
They didn't like Winger either
Which I think
Is really interesting
Or Canada
Let's blame Canada
Good God
Yeah
We're really sorry about it
Canada's having a tough time
At the minute aren't they
Yeah definitely
I mean yeah
It's not our fault
I don't know why I'm saying sorry
It's not my fault
But
I feel
I feel like
I feel like I should apologise
The reviews of the album
Everyone loved it
Jagged Little Pill
Yeah yeah yeah
And just everybody
I think
Everyone liked it
There was a hit
There was a song on there
For everyone
Yeah
Millennium
Millennial girls
Loved all of it
Yeah yeah yeah
And had tattoos of it
And all of that thing
And they all think
Alanis Morissette is their mum
Something like that anyway
John Bovee
It's His My Life
That's the other one isn't it
God can you imagine those two
Doing like a duet or something
Yeah
That'd be great
That'd be brilliant
I'd like that
I'm surprised that's never happened
Yeah
I don't know why
Maybe if they're both listening
Yeah
We could get them together
I don't know
Matchmakers
Musical matchmakers
There we go
And that is it
That's all the facts
That I have
For
Jagged Little Pill
By Alanis Morissette
The fact
It's my first time
Listening to it this week
Yeah
End to end
Yeah
And I found
That I knew
I would say I knew
Like 70% of the words
To half of the songs
And I would have said
I've never listened to that
I've never owned a copy of it
And I've never listened to it
Like this week was the first time
I think that I listened to it on Monday
And that would have been the first time
I listened to it end to end
And I reckon I knew like
A lot of the words
To about half of the songs
Yeah
Isn't it mad?
Yeah yeah
My thing is that
I'm actually going to
Listen to it again
With those fresh ears
Knowing that it was
Kind of pretty much
Done by two people
Yeah
That's the one for me
Because I've always
Positioned it in my mind
Yeah
Is that it's a full band
Playing on it
On all the songs
And it's not
It's kind of from the mind
It's from that creative
Mind and energy
Of two people
Isn't it?
Yeah
So I'm going to go
I'm going to go in again
And listen to that
Because I think that's important
I think you might be right
What should we do
Now
I think we're done now
For this one
Play a song
And then we'll talk
About the next one
Jagged Little Pill
Is a lyric in You Learn
And a lot of
A lot of the premises
That I write about
On this record
Have to do with
Certain parts of my past
And a lot of times
When I'm immersed
In something really difficult
I don't realise that
There's a lesson
In there somewhere
And that it's only
In retrospect
That I'll realise
Why I went through it
So the lyric following it
Is just swallow it down
It feels so good
Swimming in your stomach
So that there's
Some sort of a payoff
And it may not be right away
I recommend getting your heart
Trapped up to anyone
Yeah
I recommend walking around
Niggas in your living room
Swallow it down
What a jagged little pill
It feels so good
Swimming in your stomach
Wait until the dust settles
You live
You learn
You love
You learn
You cry
You learn
You lose
You learn
You bleed
You learn
You scream
You learn
I recommend biting off more than you can chew to anyone
I
Recommend biting off more than you can chew to anyone
I
Certainly
Do
I
Recommend sticking your foot in your mouth at any time
Feel free
Pull it down
When you see
You wait
You learn, you lose, you learn You bleed, you learn, you scream, you learn
Wear it out, the way you're free and loved with you
They held it down, the firetrucks are coming up around the bend
you live you learn you love you learn you cry you learn you lose you learn you bleed you learn you scream you learn
you grieve you learn you choke you learn you laugh you laugh you chose you learn you pray you learn you ask you learn you laugh you learn
we were essentially done the record and we were talking to a whole bunch of different companies at
the time and uh i wasn't really connecting with anybody so i was sort of putting that whole process
off a little bit and um and then i was writing the studio one day and my lawyer's partner called
and said that people at maverick wanted to meet us and i went down and met with guy o siri for all of
maybe 15 minutes and played them we played perfect and you ought to know and then left the office and
then within them within the next month i was signing with them we've uh we've quite a reasonable length
today 68 minutes so far oh my god sorry it felt like a short one it felt like shorter sorry i've
edited everything in this it's long again it is it'll be all right because lindsey lindsey i bet lindsey
lives it'll be fine then won't it she'll definitely like the next one yeah we've chosen but what we did
we went down the list of all the things we said it for the past three weeks there's a list of things
that you've said yeah and we landed on something totally different didn't we well i tell you what
we've taken to doing so we just go through the blog so the blog's really cool the blog has got um
to monstershoprock.com and the blog has got tags in there for year and artist and genre and all the
bits and pieces so we just start hammering in like year and things like that until we find something
that we think yeah that'll that feeds on quite nicely but this jagged little pill was 95 yeah
and we were thinking we'll probably stay in the same
like zone area of years of year zone so we looked at tons of stuff that was released in 95 and 96
and we think we're gonna go with skunker nancy's stoosh what what record but similar to this but english
yeah but it had loads of tunes on it it was yeah tunes like four four absolute bangers it's
what i love about this album it makes you want to play you know you said about if i just picked i just
did christians play one of the riffs chris just people listen to this and it's like playing playing
playing the guitar it's a 12 string yeah yeah it's been out of tune so every guitar in here is out of tune
but but but the thing that hit me with this is that they did it they produced this album that was huge
it was used in movies it was used everywhere stoosh was phenomenal and then um i remember hearing an
interview with skin i don't know like a couple of years after this like this tour cycle and you know
a release cycle saying that they wished it had been less successful and that the success just
just was too big you couldn't follow it there's no yeah the pressure and everything surrounding it was
too much and and and it was almost just this it led to this eventual just no no more we're not doing
this anymore you know we're just stopping yeah um and i it was i i it was one of these interviews where
i think at the time that i heard it i was just like what's wrong it's mad i mean be the biggest
band on the planet kind of thing why would you not want that yeah yeah yeah like now i guess with a
little bit more wisdom thinking back you know totally get where they were coming from with this just
um you know that's not who we wanted to be you know we made this music we wanted to make it a bit
like led zeppelin we wanted to make this music and we loved it and we love performing this stuff to to
people that like the same music that we did but we didn't want to be in like doing interviews and i
don't want to be justifying lyrics to people and i don't want to be explaining what this you know
that's not what it was about and it was it really it stayed i mean i probably that would have been
i don't know 98 99 it would have been quite late um yeah because they had like a good big it's like
a 10 year gap yeah between albums where they were just like they and they just went off grid like
skin did a few solo albums but um yeah yeah i it really hit me that did that it's because you think
it's all about six it's about being bigger success being a bigger album sell more copies do more things
yeah but you're supernova one like that yeah you got you got nowhere to go and she was just like
no not having that and again someone with just a voice is just on i mean it's unreal yeah again
somebody with a voice just like alanis morissette there's no one else's things like that yeah it's
inimitable you can't pretend to be do you know i mean you can't you can't like i bet there aren't
i bet there aren't many skunkin nancy covers
do you know what i mean yeah yeah you can pretend to be john bon jovi
so there's loads of bon jovi cover bands yeah you can't but i don't know maybe you can
but i i can't imagine i'll tell you who else is inimitable and that's vince neil
yeah he can't do that can he can't do that he can't pretend to be he can't pretend to be
vince neil anymore so you've got no chance so um so let's do stoosh stoosh right good over and out
love you all bye love you bye