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Is it time? Are we on?
We're on
We are on
This is not the album that you may think it is
From the intro that we've just played
Didn't you?
You played the War Pigs at the beginning, didn't you?
Yes
Yeah, I played the War Pigs
They're very good at covers, Faith No More
They are very good at covers
Because they did this and then they did Easy, didn't they?
Yeah, so the real thing that they had this on
Yeah
And then wasn't it Angel Dust that had Easy
Which is better than
Easy is better than the original
Yeah
Lionel Richie would have listened to that and go
Oh, these guys play my song better
Shit
And then stomps around
I think he just stomps around going
Oh, I hate them
I hate them
He probably doesn't
I bet it's lovely
In my mind, that's funny
Yeah, I'm sure the royalties didn't do his bank balance any harm
No
You forget about that
Because
Yeah
I was reading a bit about this, you know
With
Ren
Yes
He does lots of remixes and stuff, doesn't he?
Yeah, yeah
And things like that
And he
He got in lots of trouble
Because he
And imagine this
Because you all know all about this
He subscribes to a service
Where he can go and pull
Like royalty-free music
So he pays a subscription
Yeah
And then he can go and pull
Yeah
And do stuff with it
And then use it
And he did that for one of his songs
But then
The guy who wrote it
Went after him
Really?
I said, no, no, no, no, no
That's not
That's not the deal
No, that's not
That's not what we agreed
You owe me like millions of pounds
Wow
And it's
Yeah, it's really
Really, really interesting
Really fascinating
If you like that kind of stuff
Do Googling on that
So
I'm Chris
Oh yes
Yeah, yeah
You are Neil
Yeah
This is Monster Shop
We review
We don't review
We tell
We tell the story on our podcast
Of the makings of albums
And today the album is
The Real Thing by Faith No More
And just before
Before, sorry
Oh, go ahead
We did a poll last week
And the poll went out on the socials
Yeah
And I just wanted to check
Have we actually followed
What we said we were going to do
With the poll that we put out
Yeah
So did people vote for Faith No More
Yeah
The Real Thing
Yeah
And actually the most people
Voted for that album
Yeah
So it's not that you just wanted
To do Faith No More
I did really want to do
Let me go and chill
Have a look at the poll
32 people voted
The Real Thing got 34.4%
Okay
Led Zeppelin 4 got 28.1
Yeah
Super Unknown got 21.9
Yeah
And Rage Against the Machine got 15
Wow
I actually wanted to do Rage Against the Machine
That was the one that I really wanted to do
But we've been chased
So Baz
One of our
Keen interactors with
On The X
Said that
He really wants
The
The Prodigy album
We promised
Out of the land
October
Or whatever it was
And Led Zeppelin
So we'll have to do those
I do
I lovely
I watched a documentary on Liam Howlett
Yeah yeah
Racing motorbikes
Oh wicked
He was brilliant
You imagine him being bonkers don't you
He was lovely
He was such a lovely guy
Anyway
We've got to do those two
But yeah that's why we're doing it
We're doing it
Because everyone said
That's the one we're doing
The real thing
I had somebody describe this album
And Faith No More
As their Beatles
That's interesting isn't it
It is isn't it
I thought that was
I find
Because
The YouTube interview
That we've used for this
Is a Gibson one
And it's with Matt Wallace
Who produced the record
We've got a few interviews
I'd never heard of Matt Wallace
Before
And he's amazing
What a guy
He's just
I want to be Matt Wallace
Yeah yeah yeah
Do you know what I mean
When you watch somebody
And you think you're that good
I want to be
I want to be you
Yeah
And he's amazing
Yeah
But
Across this whole Gibson thing
Which is about what
20 minutes is it
Something like that
Yeah yeah yeah
It's half an hour
The whole interview
It tells the whole story
Of the record
Of the band
And everything
And to be honest
We've got to use loads of it
Because it just
It tells
It tells you everything
You need to know
So
Because I didn't know
Mike Patton wasn't involved
At the beginning
I didn't know
Because he had Mr. Bungle
What were they called
They started off
As Faith No Man
Faith No Man
There was a name before that
As well
We'll say it in a minute
But there's so much history to it
There's like
Yeah
So I hadn't realised
That
Jim Martin
And Cliff Burton
From Metallica
Yeah
They were in a high school
Band together
Yeah
If you do a search for them
You'll find a Battle of the Bands
Video on YouTube
Where they're playing
This like chaotic stuff
Cliff Burton
Is playing
The bass line
From For Whom the Bells
Toll
Bell Toll
I can't never say
Bell Toll
Bell Tolls
Bells Tolls
Anyway
That
You can hear them
Doing that
And Jim Martin's playing
And
Because I hadn't realised
That Faith No Man
Were right in the middle
Of that
You said earlier
That Bay Area scene
Right in the middle
Of San Francisco
And you know
You've got kind of
Exodus
And Testament
And Metallica
And all these bands
The kind of thrash bands
Yeah
And then
You've got Faith No More
Yeah
And
I just
This whole album to me
Is just this
Like melting pot of stuff
Yes
And there's a lovely bit
I think it's later in the interviews
But
There's a lovely bit
Where Matt kind of goes
If you
Took
Any one of the members
Of the band out
You would get a
Radically different sound
Like each one of them
Is pulling the band
Yes
And he describes it
As like a spider's web
Yeah
Where you know
That each member
Of Faith No More
Is pulling the band
In a
In a completely
Different direction
And what you get
Is this kind of
Like
Melting pot
Of those
Those influences
Yeah
But they're all
Playing full on
They're all doing
Their thing flat out
And
Like trying to find
Space for them
And trying
You know
Trying to
Balance
The whole record
Was a challenge
But what you end up
With is this
Just totally unique
I mean nothing sounds
Anything like this
Even today
Yeah
I think this
I think this still
Sounds really fresh
Today
This doesn't sound
Like some records
Sound
Being polite
Like a lot of the time
Yes
Like the hair metal records
Yeah
Right
You can place them
Roughly in time
Yeah
Because of how they sound
And the production
It's really difficult
To place this
I think
I think this
You couldn't go
Oh well
It's definitely this year
It's definitely this era
Yeah
You know
We were listening to it
In the car
And I was trying to think
I wonder when it was
Related
I was like 92
I thought that as well
Look it's 89 wasn't it
Yeah 89
Yeah
Ahead of its time
Way ahead
Yeah
Shall we listen to
Yeah
So what he's talking about
First is the
Almost like the
Like the story of the band
Coming together
In the garage
And his eight track
And his beginnings
As a producer as well
Oh he's brilliant
I look at his time all day
So I was going to UC Berkeley
And I had built this studio
In my parents garage
And I was eager to work
With other bands
So what I did is
I made these flyers
Saying eight track recording
Twelve dollars an hour
And I had my phone number on it
And I went to all the places
That bands rehearsed
And so I put these things
Up all over the place
Because I just wanted
To get some work
I couldn't afford to put
Any advertisements
In the local magazine
So I just did it this way
And this guy named
Bill Gould
Who was also going to Berkeley
Saw one of my flyers
At one of those
Two record stores
And at the time
His band was called
Sharp Young Men
And then they ultimately
Turned into Faith No Man
And I actually recorded
Their first single
That they ever put out
As Faith No Man
And I recorded that
In my parents garage
And that included
Bill Gould
The bass player
And Mike Borden
The drummer
Who ultimately went on
To become Faith No More
But they had a different singer
And a different keyboard player
While I was working with them
They had played a show
At a place called
The Sound of Music
In like the sketchy
Sketchy Tenderloin district
Of San Francisco
And in the middle of their show
Wade Worthington
Their original keyboard player
Left the band
And a guy named
Roddy Bottom
Walked in
And he became
The keyboard player
So then that's Bill Gould
Mike Borden
And Roddy Bottom
Who formed ultimately
Faith No Man
And then it became
Faith No More
After they left their singer
And got a new guitar player
A new singer
So after that
They got signed to
Slash Records
And really fortunate for me
And very kind on their end
They actually had me
Come along with them
I didn't know
That they were going to
Part ways with Chuck
He was probably as afraid
Of failure
As of success
And I think sometimes
Guaranteed it by his actions
At times
And anyway
Things fell apart
And so they were
Without a singer
I mean Patton was
Certainly a revelation
I think for the band
I mean he actually
We knew we were looking
For a singer
And I had put out feelers
To try to find somebody
But Jim Martin
Somehow had heard
Mr. Bungle
And so he's the one
Who ultimately
Got Patton in there
But I was also somehow
Like probably a week
Or two behind him
Trying to find
Who this Patton guy was
And there was about
A two week period
He came into San Francisco
From Eureka
And we had the music
He had the songs
And he wrote all the lyrics
And he wrote all the melodies
For all of those songs
Within a two week period
And because the song
The music was already established
When he would say
To the guys
Can we make this section longer
That section shorter
The band would say
No you gotta just write
The way it is
And so he actually
Took all his stuff
And he fit it into
This existing music
So to me
The thing about that band
That is unique
That I think was
Really inspiring
Is that it felt to me
Like a
Like a four or five
Armed web
A spider web
That each guy was pulling
In equal and opposite directions
And that
Dynamic tension
Of one guy
Want to make a
Like basically
Make a metal record
But the other guy
Was pulling
And saying
I want to make a pop record
The one guy was saying
I want to play this
African rhythm
And then the other guy's like
Well here's some
Melodic keyboard stuff
And because there was
That energy
Pulling out from the center
And no one person
Was able to say
I'm the leader of this band
We're going to go
In this direction
The thing that got me
Through the interview
Is that he's almost
Kind of self-effacing
A little bit of himself
Like he really doubted
His abilities as a producer
You know during the course
I'm not sure if I was any good
And I nearly quit
That line
I nearly
Just nearly gave in
It's
Yeah I don't know
It was incredibly inspiring
Yeah I felt that as well
You see some people
Like everybody
You think
God everyone's really confident
Everyone's got it all together
Yes
Do you know what I mean
And you think
I have not got it all together
Why have they got it together
And I don't have it together
And hearing somebody
That has
Has had success
Yeah and go
I don't know
I don't know if I was any good or not
Yeah
It just kind of
Oh you know
It's not
Not just me
You know
So
Yep
He's awesome
So of the songs on the record
What are the ones
That really jump out to you
As kind of favours
Because mine's changed over time
With this one
Yeah I think
So
As an album
I mean the show
It's our show itself
Like the Monster Shop
Is about celebrating albums
And I think
We didn't start off with that plan
But that
For me
That's the thing
That this show has given to me
It's given me this appreciation
Of
Like everything that goes into albums
The album as a format
Yeah
And
It's not just the songs
And it's not just the band
And it's not just the artwork
It's
It's like this whole thing
This package
But
As an album
The beginning three tracks from this
That kind of
From out of nowhere
Epic and falling
Goes off like a rocket
Doesn't it
It's just
It was just like
Whoa
Yeah
This is
This is massive
It's a force of nature
It is
I think those
That
You know
I was
When we were messaging earlier about this
We were on the WhatsApp
On the WhatsApp
And I was
You know
The thing that I wanted to put was
I think this may be
One of the strongest starts
To any album I've ever heard
It is
But I don't
But I do
The thing is
I'm quite prone to hyperbole
No way
I can't imagine
Us doing hyperbole
That's crazy
I was going to say
I wonder who the greatest band
In the world are
I've had to stop saying
They're the greatest band in the world
People make fun of us
But I do
So those three tracks
So from out of nowhere
Epic
Fall into Pieces
They were all singles
Yeah
But then you've got like
Surprise you're dead
It's almost like a thrash song
It's kind of
It's fast and riffy
And it's like something
Out of an Exodus album
It's kind of
The riff
The guitar work
Is phenomenal
And then
You have like
Zombie Eaters
Kind of goes all
Or mellow
And cool
And then
The real thing
Loved the real thing
It's long isn't it
Since the title track
You think
Oh that might be the hooky one
Yeah
Nope
It's not
There's a clip
In one of the interviews
Where Matt talks about
The hooks in the album
Mostly coming from
The keyboards
Yeah
And it
You know when
Somebody says something
And like the penny drops
And you're like
It's true
Yeah
Because it's
And the thing
The other thing
I'm so sorry
This is the nerdy thing
Is one of the other things
You'll say in the interview
In a bit
Is the keyboard
That he used
Yeah
I've never
I've always wanted to know
I wonder how he got those sounds
And it was a very
Very early synthesizer
Oh is this
The Emacs thing
Is this the Emacs
It's kind of
That's the one on the end
Of
From out of nowhere
Isn't it
No epic
Oh the end of epic
Yeah
There's a blend
Where they're playing
Yeah
And there's different
If you listen to me
You've got a different
Piano
In each sound
Yeah
And it's like
I heard him talking about it
And I thought
Yeah
Okay
Yeah
I don't know why
You would do that
Why would you
But it's really
I think it's that
Dissonance isn't it
It's that
You know
That 8 bit sounds a bit
Like the grand piano
Sounds beautiful
And like
Just organic
And amazing
And the keyboard
Just doesn't
And I think
Either of them
On their own
Like the keyboard
On its own
Perhaps wouldn't sound
Wouldn't work
No
But with the melody
Of that
Do you know what I mean
With the sound
Of the grand piano
It works
Yeah it definitely works
But you have a just
Phenomenal album this
It's just
It flows
There's short songs
Like Surprise You're Dead
2 minute 27
Yeah
The Real Thing
8 minutes
8 minutes 12
Yeah
It's all good songs
Songs should be really
You like a long song
Don't you
I do like a long song
Yeah
I like the ones
Where it's an album
But there's three songs on it
I like them ones
I kind of forget
Where I'm at here
I swear
Metallica
You know when Metallica
Did like
Probably Ann Justice
That was
That's the limit for me
I think
Where they
You know
I'm like
I've forgotten
Where the song started
I don't know
What's going on anymore
There's also
There's an instrumental
Isn't there
On it as well
Yep
And my favourite
Because I was going to say
The bit for me is
I started off loving
Those first ones
Yeah
They were the ones for me
That's the hook isn't it
Yeah
They pull you in
And as I've gone through
And even listening to it today
I've gone
No no no
There's gold on this record
That I missed before
And it's actually
As the album comes to
It's sort of culmination
Which I just think is brilliant
Like Underwater Love
Yeah
I think it's absolutely
That's the one for me now
Do you know
I
Until we did this process
Of going back
And really listening to it
Again
If you'd have asked me
Under
I wouldn't have
No
Been able to
Recall the song
Yeah
It's weird isn't it
Yeah
And I've listened to that
Today going
That's
That's the best song
On the record
Hands down
The best song
On the record
So you've got a habit
Of doing that as well
There's
So you know
The Linkin Park record
Yes
And you wrote back to me
And said something like
Oh
Because we were going to
We were going to do
Some local radio
Won't we
Yes
And I said
I really want to play
Something off this album
And you said
Oh
Talking Over Each Other
Is the track
Yeah
I was like
Oh I don't really like that
That is my favourite song now
See I was right
It's weird isn't it
It's weird how
And I think albums do this
Yes
Where
They have these immediate songs
That kind of
They're hooky
And poppy
And pull you in
But then the beauty
Of an album
Is that there'll be
Tracks on there
That like
You know
Work
Yeah
Later
You know
They kind of
Grow on you over time
I had a moment
To say I was playing
A show today
I was doing a little
Gig in a pub
I did a show
Just going to do
The fireworks
Pulling your pants off
And doing the whole
But the thing
The thing I like
About playing this place
Is called
The Hawk and Buckle
It's a net wall
For anyone who wants to go
It's lovely
Chris Peach
Lovely man
I'll send him a link to this
He'll love it
He likes
Counting Crows loads
Oh does he
And that sort of stuff
Yeah but that's hard to play
Because he plays like
Out of time
Yeah yeah
But I played
So I play
I like playing there
Because
Normally people want
Brightside
They don't want
Stuff that I like
So I did that
But then there's
Someone else there
That really liked
Damien Rice
I love Damien Rice
Oh don't you
Yeah I do
And
What I was going to say was
That's the only album
I've got
Where there's multiples
Of those
Right
Of that thing of like
Oh
There's more than one of those
On this record
There's quite a few of them
Counting Crows
Do
Yeah
And
The Goo Goo Dolls
Yes
Which you haven't made fun of me yet
For my New Year's resolution
Which we're not going to talk about
But it didn't last very long
What the New Year's resolution
That you're going to
What was it
One vial a month
Yeah
And how many are in the
Goo Goo Dolls pack that you bought
Five
But it's only one box set
And they're really rare
They're really rare
They can't get hold of them
I wanted Superstar Car Wash
It never really came out here in the UK
Yeah yeah
I really wanted it
And a man had
The box set
And there's like
One for sale
So I was like
So you bought one thing
Yeah
With five things in it
Yeah
I mean you don't count the peanuts
In like a marathon
Or whatever
Snickers
Do you
Oh I've had
He's won
But yeah no
I'm not doing very well
I kind of
I put everything on Discogs
I've listed everything on Discogs
Yeah yeah yeah
For all my albums
Oh nice
I might have a problem
Right
We
It was
So although
Although like
Underwater Luff
Stands out
Stands out now
The one
Forever
Yep
From this album
That it's not
Like for this album
For me
When I see that cover
Yep
I think of Epic
Yeah
That's the song I think about
It's the end of Epic
Yeah
Like it's that
And it was the MTV
Do you know what I mean
It would be that
It would have
You would have been in
Like for me
I would have been in pubs
Or I'd have been at college
I'd have been in pubs
And this would have been
On the various TVs
Around
Do you know what I mean
That
That video
Should we play it
Yeah
But the before
I've got before and after
For this one
So the before
Is going to be
The guys in the
In the kind of
Rehearsal room
Talking about
Yeah yeah
This thing coming together
Like Epic
It's a bit
Kind of like
They're recalling
The situation
You know what I mean
So it's kind of
A flowy conversation
But I want to put it all on
And then we play Epic
Yeah
And then at the end
There's a little treat
Oh lovely
And do you know
When we come back
Yeah
I want to talk about
The album cover
Yeah okay
Yeah yeah yeah
Cool
We were rehearsing
In the rehearsal space
And the keyboard player
Had his horn patch
And he was playing drums
And I came into practice
And I heard them playing
This
Just the
And they were just
Doing that over and over again
And I just picked up my bass
And I just started playing
A bass part that fit with that
And that was it
It was really
Fast
Really fast
In the time of rehearsal
We were in LA
Rehears
Yeah yeah
And myself and Jim
The guitar player
At the time
Were in this apartment
And we didn't have a phone
We couldn't afford
To turn the phone on
And Jim is a very
Very unique
And particular person
To where
He would stay up
Until about
Six or seven
In the morning
Every night
No matter what
Right
Yeah
And sleep until
At least three
In the afternoon
So what we
What I would do with Jim
Was I would go into rehearsal
What
Seven or eight at night
And I would play with Jim
And what I ended up
Playing with Jim
Was
It's that song
The song Surprise You're Dead
From Real Thing
And
A big piece
Of the song
Zombie Eaters
That he was working on
He had a couple of things
And I worked on a couple of things
With Jim
And I don't remember
How it happened
But
And they weren't coming
To practice
Well where are they
Oh they'll be here
Whatever
They'll come
They weren't coming
To practice
It turns out
That you were rehearsing
In the day
With Roddy
Like a regular routine
As they were rehearsing
And somehow
I switched
And I flipped
You remember that
Yeah
That was kind of
Bizarre
And I flipped
Them somehow
I don't know
If I saw you somewhere
Or called you somewhere
Or what
Or maybe I came in
Early one day
To mess with my drums
And they were there
Yeah
There's the other half
Of the band
Over there
At their prime
It's in the same room
And then I started
Rehearsing with him
And I distinctly remember
That is exactly
Like he said
That's where Epic
Came about
And we were just
Playing green
And it had this groove
And then later
Like piano stuff
Was like
I mean the funny thing
Is we played grooves
Over and over
And then we recorded
On tape
And I would drive
In my car
And I would listen
To that groove
Over and over
And over
Over and over
I mean in my car
The only thing
Would be that one
Groove playing
And you start
Hearing things
I remember driving
To the beach
When we had just
Put Epic on a cassette
And listening to it
Yeah
I remember
Exactly
I have that tape
Somewhere in my house
Oh wow
This is the super
Powerful part
That was the first part
Super powerful part
And one thing about
That's how it was
If you hear repetition
A lot
Your mind
It's like
Starts creating
Things that aren't there
And it's like
If you stare at a
White picture
At the canvas
You start seeing pictures
Even though they don't exist
And I would just
Listen to this over and over
And I started hearing
The piano part
Because I just kept
Hearing this thing
Over and over again
That had nothing on it
And
We just kind of
Plugged it in
Because I was already
Hearing it in my head
And there it was
Can you feel it
See it
Hear it today
If you can't
Then it doesn't matter
Anyway
You will never understand it
Because it happens too fast
And it feels so good
It's like
Walking a glass
It's so cold
So hip
It's alright
It's so grooving
It's out of sight
You can touch it
Smell it
It's just so sweet
But it makes no difference
Because it's not just what you think
You want it all
But you can't have it
Crying, bleeding, lying on the floor
So you lay down on it
And you do it some more
You've got to share it
So you dare grip it
You bear it
And you save it
You want it all
But you can't have it
It's in your face
But you can't have it
It's lies, afraid
A lie, a sin
It's magic
It's tragic
It's a loss to win
It's dark
It's noise
It's a bit of pain
It's sad
It happens
And it's a shame
You want it all
But you can't have it
It's in your face
But you can't grab it
What is it
You want it all
But you can't have it
It's in your face
But you can't grab it
What is it
If you're listening
In stereo
On the left hand side
Is Bill Gould
Playing those chords
It's on an Emacs
So it sounds kind of clunky
The Emacs was an early sampler
And so the piano samples
Were a little sketchy
And it's interesting
If you listen to the way
He plays it
He's actually flamming
Some of the notes
Which is kind of what
Mike Borden did
With the snare drum
And so he's doing that
And Roddy Bottom
Is on the right hand side
On a nice grand piano
Playing the more melodic part
And so it's really interesting
To hear those two things
Because one is really clunky
Like this is probably
Like 8-bit sampling
So it's kind of sketchy sounding
And it's played kind of
You know hard
And then Roddy's got
This beautiful thing
To me that's almost
The bookends of this band
And this album
Is that one's harder
Grittier
Not very refined
And one is very
Elegaic and graceful
And beautiful
And to me that's where
This band lives
Between those two extremes
And once again
This was in
Bill's four track demo
I mean I really
I just
I can't
I would love to take credit
For so much of this stuff
But he had this
On his demo
And that's
So he ended up playing
That the one side
The left hand side
And Roddy played the other side
But it was
It was really him
Bill did it
There's a really
Interesting thing
Between
Like
Matt
Mike Patton's
An interesting guy
Right
Like
It's a bit
Yeah
Chaotic isn't he
Yeah but
It's
But
Like you can't
Put him down
Sort of dude
And he'll do
What he wants to do
And
Yeah
But he's always
Kind of got it right
As well
If you look at his projects
Yeah
So Mr. Bungall
Obviously Faith No More
Dead Cross
Yeah
As well
It's like really difficult
To kind of get
Oh that's his
Yeah
That's his
That's my pattern
And he's
Because he's like
No I'll do whatever
I'll do yeah
Yeah
And I think that
There's just
There's a beautiful
Little moment
From that same interview
Was with Matt Wallace
Talking about
Epic
Yeah
And talking about
The vocals
And because
Because it sounds
The chorus
The way he sings
I couldn't imagine
Him singing it
Any other way
Oh but yeah
It's like
It's almost flat
Isn't it
Yeah yeah yeah
It's like
It's quite
Laboured
No that's not the word
Yeah
It's kind of
Bendy
It's like
It's like purposely
Like not quite
Yeah
Where it should be
Yeah
Do you know what I mean
Yeah yeah
I love
Dillinger do
Yeah exactly
Yeah yeah yeah
That kind of stuff
I do
It's worth pointing out
As well
With this
Getting that interview
With Matt
That he did all the
Vocals and lyrics
Wrote all the
Because he came to
The band late
Yeah
They'd already written
The music
Yes
And then wrote
Everything in two weeks
Yeah
You know what
Because some of the
Stuff on here
He was 19
When he did this
Yeah yeah
Some of the stuff
Some of the lyrics
On this album
Are excellent
I mean they're
Really phenomenal
It's not the kind
Of thing you would
You know what I mean
It's not like
I mean if I had to
Do my homework
Just before going
Into college
You know what I mean
You can tell
You've done it
Like you know what I mean
While you were sitting
Outside on the wall
Waiting for the door
To open
No he was in there
He was in there
It was extraordinary
So yeah let's listen
Cool
One of the interesting
Things about this song
Is that when you hear
Mike Patton sing the chorus
He goes
You want it all
And it sounds like
He's flat most of the time
And he doesn't quite
Get to the note
And he's just like
He's kind of lackadaisical
So I'd stop the tape
And then he would just
And I'd go
Why can't you just go
You want it all
But
And I just wanted to
Land on the notes
And he just said
No I'm not going to do that
He sang in a way
That sense of yearning
Getting to the notes
Is really essential
To making that song work
You can hear Mike Borden's drumming
Again it's that really
Solid tribal stuff
With him and Billy playing
No guitars even
In the verses at all
It's just voice
Drums and guitars
So
Keyboards come in the chorus
And then there's the
Guitars in the chorus
And of course
The song has the
Instrumental section
That's 45 seconds
Of
Drums are kind of going off
Playing their thing
Bill the bass player
Is playing all kinds
Of melodic stuff
He's not even
Holding down the low end
And Jim Martin
Is playing
Probably four or five
Different guitar parts
In that section
So again
Very very well put together track
Again Bill Gould
Envisioned it
I just helped capture it
Well for me
I mean
At that time
I wasn't
I think the only
I knew about that time
In rap
Was probably
Grandmaster Flash's
The Message
Which I felt
Was a groundbreaking song
But to me
The fact that the band
Was able to join
These two different
Kind of worlds
Into one thing
I thought was really
Groundbreaking
And I wish I could say
I had something
To do with it
But I was just there
As a person
To capture it
And be there
To support them
But it was really
Patton came up
With this stuff
The band came up
With the things
And I really
Was just like
Their champion
I would be the one
Who would say
Hey maybe we can
Shorten this section
Or try some ideas
Here and there
But it was really them
And I was
And then when the band
Said we made a pop record
I'm like well
You know
This kind of music
Had never been heard
On radio before that
And so
It was a big
Big leap of faith
And it somehow
They were right
I mean they were right
I think what
I think that
Faith No More
Knew that their audience
Was out there
And they went
And found
Every single person
With every tour
And every time
Someone watched
This stuff on MTV
Or heard on the radio
They actually
They actually brought
Their audience to them
And that's what
I think what they did
I think we just
Followed our guts
I think this was
One of those records
Where we just did
What we wanted to do
Those guys were so
You know
They just kind of
Followed their own muse anyway
So they just did
What they wanted
And I think that was
The perfect storm
Of them doing
Exactly what they wanted to do
I was able to support them
And help them realize
Their goal
And their vision
And we were able
To make a record
That we liked
That's the key for me
That is the key
That is the pot of gold
The pot of gold
Is the producer
Enabling the artist
To produce the art
Or to create the art
To get out of the way
Yes
And helping the artist
To get out of their own way
Sometimes
I think this journey
That we've been on
With this show
We've obviously focused
On producers
And I think
For me it's been
Like a real journey
Of discovery
Right
Hearing how
For your job discovery
Sorry mate
I was going to say
That the difference
Between like a Rick Rubin
And a Bob Rock
Yeah
And a Mutt Lang
Yeah
You know
Where you've got
These producers
Some of them
That are super hands on
And we'll take the guitar
Off you and show you
How to play it
And then hand it back again
I want it like this
Will you just do it then
Yeah
And then
But then you've got
People like Matt
Who is a musician
Yeah
But is you know
Is coming at this
From a different perspective
It's like
I'm trying to make you
The best you can be
Not
You know what I mean
Not
Like
You hear
People say
Working with
Mutt Lang
For example
ACDC said this
Didn't they
That
It made them better
Like they went into the studio
Thinking they were pretty good
Yeah
And then
You know
Like three months later
Coming out
Looking back
And kind of going
Actually
Yeah we're a better band now
I wasn't that good
I'm a lot better now
Yeah
And it's a radically
Different thing
I think
It's almost like
A performance coach
Yes
Rather than a producer
And I don't think
People realise
Necessarily how hard
Playing music together
Is
In a band
Yeah you've talked about this
I think
And it's
Yeah
It's not easy
It's not an easy thing to do
It's hard enough
Just to do it
Yeah
But that being in tune
With everyone
But also making sure
That everyone's got
Their personality
And what's going on
You know
And they've got
Their part to play
And I think
Particularly with Faith No More
That's what you get out of it
You hear
Every bandman
Yeah
I think
Producing that must have been hard
Like mixed it must have been hard
Because every band member's got their thing
It's a weird production
To this album I think
And I noticed
The YouTube video
That we
The
The Gibson YouTube video
That we
We used for Matt's interview clips
That's got the songs
Yeah
Woven in it
And
They've radically changed them
They've EQ'd them
Or compressed them
They've done something to them
Because they sound
Totally different
They sound like 90s hard rock
Yeah
Whereas
This album to me
Sounds a lot more
Like 80s
San Francisco thrash
It's got that kind of dry
Sound to it
God that's so interesting
I've never thought of it like that
And it has
It's weird isn't it
That's exactly what it is
It's super weird
It's a 90s kind of like
Old pop
Grunge rock
Masterpiece
Yeah
With Bay Area production
Bay Area production
Yeah
But it's
But the thing is
Like we
I was
I was going to do
A piece
Where when we did this
Just kind of say
Look do you know
This is an album
That I think
If it had been released
In
If this album
Had been released
In let's say 92
Yeah
I think it would have been
Like even bigger
Yeah
Than it is
I think the audience
Would have been even bigger
Because you don't get that
You know that coming together
Where you get those masterpieces
Where the production is
Exquisite
The artistry is incredible
Everybody's there
You know
They're back in blacks
Or the hysteria
Yeah
But having said that
I don't think it would
Like I want this album to sound
I want this album to have more bottom end
Yeah
And more punch
Yeah
But I think if you did that
It would lose
Yeah
There's an essence
Isn't that
Yeah
There's definitely
And yeah
There's another interview
I think we'll pull in in a bit
Which talks about that
Particularly with his approach
To the vocals
And how he captured the vocals
And what he used
Because when he said the mic
Yeah
Choice
You know
My brain
My mic brain
Yeah
Went
I don't know
He uses a big fat condenser
No no
It's the opposite
It's a C414
I'll give him the game away
It's a little
It's quite
It is a large frame
It's a large diaphragm condenser
Yeah
But it's not as big as
It's not
You'd associate it with mic and guitar amps
Personally
Right
Or an acoustic guitar
Yeah
Or a wind instrument
Yeah
And he said that the reason for that
Is because of Mike Patton's delivery
If you got it
Like a Neumann
Or one of those sort of things
It would have blown it out
Like it wouldn't have had the same
The right impact
But it was the way he used compression
On the vocal
I think with Faith No More
You know
In their minds
They thought they were a pop band
And yes
Sometimes they were
Like maybe about a fifth of the time
They were a pop band
But then a fifth of the time
They were
This is like a thrash metal
You know
Blistering
Brutal
Sonic Assault
You know
And that's where the band lived
And it's hard to remember
What the mics are on this record
Because it's so long ago
But I want to say
That it was probably
Something like
An AKG 414
Because I knew I wanted a microphone
That was a large diaphragm condenser
To catch all of Patton's energy
And so to me
That was really important
I knew that a tube mic
Would fold under his power
Because he could sing very very loud
To me
I was a big
I was a really big fan
Of the music that that band made
Always
I just loved the power
And the fury of what they had
Because they were a really unique band
In that Mike Borden
Like listened to jazz
But he also studied
Like African rhythms
While he was at UC Berkeley
And Bill Gould
I'm not sure his background
But he was playing bass
And I think he was into Killing Joke
And Roddy was
It was actually a classically trained pianist
So you have all these
And Jim Martin was just like
Mr. Heavy, heavy guitar
And he was
I know he was raised on like
Black Sabbath
And Corrosion of Conformity
And Metallica
And if I had like a life or death situation
Where I had to like drive a car really fast
Or fly an airplane or something
I'd want that song playing
Like in the last few minutes of my life
I'd be like
Fuck yeah
Man, that's a great song
I will say that
What's interesting about
This band
And me recording the vocals
And this is going to sound
Like anathema
To anybody who is interested
In high fidelity
But so I had Mike Patton
With the 414 microphone
But I ran it through
A DBX-166
Which is a dual compressor
I ran it into one side of the compressor
As a compressor
And then I put it into
The other side of the compressor
As a limiter
And then to tape
So a lot of people would argue
That's really
Not a good way to do it
I could have used other pieces of gear
But to make it worse
When I was mixing the record
I took his voice
And I ran it through
One side of that compressor
As a compressor
One side as a limiter
And then it went into the mix
And then we had the bus compressor
So there's a lot of compression going on
And Patton brought it
I mean I really think
That this record for me
Is a once in a career
Perfect amalgamation
Of everything that all five guys
Came to at that point in time
And it just coalesced
And it was just absolutely
Perfect, powerful, brutal, beautiful
Melodic, everything
I think we got it
And I think that song for me
Is the pinnacle of it
Jim really wanted to get
The guitar sounds right
And so what we did is
We set up his Marshall half stack
And I put about
26 different microphones
Around the room
And we got this police tape
To say
Don't anyone walk around it
And so we had this tape
And then we would move the mics
And we spent a day
Moving and setting mics
And so I had it
Where the mics were on
The faders of the console
Eventually we whirled it down
To about 12 or 14
But I knew
That one mic would bring
Low frequency
One would bring
Mid-range presence
One would bring high end
I had some that were close
I had some that were far away
And the idea was to record
The guitars without any
Equalization
Which is what we did
And so to me
When I worked with Jim
We would just go
Okay what do we want more of
And I would have mics
On the back of the cabinet
Mic's in the center of the cone
Mic's 10 feet away
So that's what we did
To get that sound
So Bill Gould
As the bass player
Is really the secret
Engine
That drives Faith No More
He's the guy
That initially
Wanted to record the band
And he came to my studio
And we did his early demos
He's the guy
That is always pushing
To create the songs
And the whole idea
And he's the guy
Who would be there every day
During the recording
For the most part
So he's the guy that
And he also has a very
Singular unique bass sound
Because one
He was playing this
Gibson grabber bass
But it was through a
Peavy guitar head
And then we had it in a hallway
So when he plays the bass
You could hear
Some kind of ambience
Because he would play with
He has got a really strong wrist
And he really digs in
There's a bit of distortion
On the bass
But then you hear
The room sound
And that's part of
The Faith No More sound
I think the overarching message
Behind all of these
Is that Faith No More
Sonically
Is the pure sum of its parts
Yeah
Do you know
He uses the word authentic
Yeah
And I think that for me
Is key here
There's no
Well you don't get the feeling
There's a record company
Manipulating this
You don't get the feeling
Like someone
There wouldn't have stood a chance
No you don't get the feeling
That there's somebody
Sitting there going
Oh you know
If we did this in E
It'd be
You know
It would be more poppy
Yeah yeah
Do you know what I mean
You kind of just get the feeling
That it was
Just give you some notes
On your lyrics
Yeah
Teenage girls prefer these words
Yeah
You just get the feeling
It's just
It is exactly who they are
I wonder if that's why
It resonates so strongly
With people
Do you know what I mean
Because it is one of those albums
That like
You very rarely hear
Anything negative
Yeah
About it
I mean
We
Our socials are
Fairly busy these days
And people have got
Different opinions
You know
You have
Like what would be
An incredible album
Melancholy
Yeah
We posted about
And someone said
Oh well
My favourite is Gish
Yeah
You know
And you think
Well that's
Clearly that's
That should be like
A really obvious
Album
That you know
Everybody prefers that album
To the other one
But yeah
Everyone's got their own opinions
And this one
I think is really interesting
Because you very rarely hear
Anything negative
About this
No
But what you can hear
Is
Where bands like
The Chili Peppers
And
Rage Against the Machine
And
Where they kind of
Came from with this
Yeah
Or at least
Were influenced in some way
I think
By this thing
By this beast
Because like rap
Like
He raps on this album
Yeah
But he doesn't get called
New metal
Or rap rock
Or whatever
It's like
It's genre
Like
You can't
And slap bass
Yeah
Like slap bass
All the way through the record
You're like
When you put slap bass
Like that on a rock song
It sounds great
It sounds awesome
But you're like
Yeah you're right
The influence
I was looking
But the tone
The tone
It sounds cheesy
But when they said this to me
The other day
Because we were talking about
Oh you're quite good on the guitar
I wouldn't have a guitar
It's quite expensive
Or whatever
No it's your tones
In your fingers
The tones in the way you play
The tones in your attitude
As a performer
And it's true
You know
It's not the bass
That makes him play like that
It's not the mic
That makes Mike Patton sing like that
It's just trying to find
The right tool
To capture their energy
As a human being
Isn't it
When I used to do
A lot more photography
It used to wind me up massively
When you'd go and do stuff
And someone would say
Oh what camera did you use
Yeah
It doesn't matter
It doesn't make any difference
And I saw somebody
A famous photographer
Getting really angry
Saying you wouldn't
You know
You go down for a meal
In a great restaurant
And the chef serves you your food
You don't go
And what pans did you use
Yeah yeah yeah
You know
And it's weird
The obsession
I think with tech
And it's the same
You know
We used to have a camera club
There's a guy called Paul Angel
If you remember Paul
And I remember doing
We used to do these
Weekly
Like photography challenges
So it would be like
Yeah you've got
It's got to be
We did sort of macro
Or we did like
Monos
Or black and white stuff
And we all had these challenges
Every week
We did it for a couple of years
And eventually
He did his photography
With a phone
Yeah
It was an iPhone 6
And everyone else
Was using these massive
Like SLRs
And he would win
Nearly every
Every week's challenge
Just got the eye for it
Yeah
And it's that attention
And it's that
It's fascinating
I think it's fascinating
I really do
That whole
You know
Obsession with tech
And perfection
Yeah yeah
And it's like
I don't know
I wonder sometimes
If it's easier
Is it easier to
Focus on
On the hardware
And the guitar
Than it is to go
And do another
50 hours of practice
Yeah yeah
Do you know what I mean
And I do
I do wonder that
I wanted to
There's two things
I wanted to talk about
That we've not had a chance
To talk about yet
Sorry I've been going
Let's talk about this interview
Let's talk about everything
So I want to talk about
Album sales
Yes
Sold 1.2 million copies
Yeah
That's nothing
Yeah in comparison
To some of those others
Yeah how does everybody
Know this album
Yes
And no one bought it
Because they all
Taped it for each other
Didn't they
It was at that time
Yeah everyone
But it tapes it
Angel Dust
That came after it
Their record company
Hated
And so they'd ruined
Their career
That sold a million copies
Yeah
Which I think
Is really interesting
Albums that came out
Around the same time
Mother's Milk
By Red Hot Chili Peppers
Ah so yeah
They were about that
Yeah
Disintegration by The Cure
Dr. Feelgood
By Motley Crue
Oh really
See that's a totally
Different vibe isn't it
And Pretty Hate Machine
By Nine Inch Nails
We're just a bit
Further down the coast
Yeah
But it's twisting isn't it
You can see the change
Here I think
Yeah
Like Nine Inch Nails
Yes
This kind of stuff
Yeah it's starting to
Darken a bit isn't it
It is
It's changing a little bit
Also I wanted to talk
About the album cover
Yes
You did say that earlier
And I forgot
Sorry
Do you know what it's about
No
I haven't got a clue
Well
So it's
It's super weird
The album cover
So I'm going to show you
A picture of it
In case you like it
There's the picture
Of the album cover
What is it
A fire
Something
Little on fire isn't it
With some stones behind it
I don't know
I haven't got a clue
Yeah
So
That's exactly where I got to
With it
I was like
I don't
I just don't understand
This at all
So
It
So it says
It's got
The album cover features
A scorched earth background
With a liquid like flame
Sprouting from a splash
Of what seems like milk
It's self shaped
Strangely like a dish
Now the interesting thing
About this
Is not just that
It's bonkers
No one knows
What it is
The band had
Nothing to do with it
It was entirely
From their record label
Slash
Yeah
The band wanted to use
Their signature star
Right
And they have that
Feature on the cover
But their record label
Said it was derivative
And the band
Was afforded
No creative decisions
On what was
Eventually released
I can't
I can't imagine
That going down
Very well
I can't
I can't imagine
Mike Patton
Putting up with that
I can tell you
Why they got away
With it
Oh
Because the
Like
So
They
They weren't a big band
At that point
Okay
Right
They were teeny tiny
They'd only just been signed
Yeah
And they
And I think
Imagine you were a record
You were a record exec
And someone gave you
Demos of Faith No More
Yeah
You're like I can't
I don't know what that is
It's great
But I don't know what box
Where do I
Am I selling this to teenage girls
Am I selling it to old men
Am I selling it to
Where am I selling this
You know like
Selling hair metal was easy
Yeah
That was dead easy
And like selling
Rage Against the Machine
Is easy
Yeah
And selling Alanis Morissette
Is easy
I think
You know
You can imagine them
Sitting around a board
Boardroom table
You know
Talking about things
That they talk about
Who's going to buy this
Yeah
How many are we going to
You know what I mean
I think this probably
Came down to that
But
It's one of the
I love album art
Yeah
And we just
We just started to do a series
On the blog
Yes
Monstershoprock.com
And I'm diving into
Album art in general
Like
Hypnosis from the 60s
And
I still need to watch
That documentary
You sing about
Oh god
I'll just
And then like
Michael Whelan
And Derek Riggs
There's so many
Of these like
Awesome
People that have been
Involved in album
Artwork
Yeah
So we're starting to
Focus on that
This one for me
Is just rubbish
I think it's awful
I do
And I'm sure
Mike Patton would agree
So when Mike Patton
Well it wasn't his choice
Was it
No I just think it's crappy
And it's like
It's like an album
That seemed to do well
Without
You know
In spite of itself
Almost
You know
Anyway
That's it
That's all I wanted
To cover
There's not
I didn't want to
Cover too much
In the way of
The way of
Facts
On this one
It was just
The last thing
For me
Was just
The interview
The way
This Gibson
Interview on YouTube
Sort of finishes
And the thing is
About these podcasts
Is because the podcast
Is a bit wild westy
Yeah
And we use
Audio and video
And all that
We haven't asked
Permission for any of this
Just to be very clear
But thank you for
Putting it on the internet
If you don't like it
We'll take it down
Yeah if you want
That's the way it works
If you can find the button
But that's the way
It works on podcasting
But this particular one
It was
You know
It's hard to know
Which parts of that interview
To include
Because it's
Just go and watch it
It's a great interview
Go and watch it on YouTube
It's absolutely incredible
It's got Gibson on it
It's Matt Wallace
Talking about
Recording Faith No More
And this album
The Real Thing
But it's the way
It's his
Almost connection
To this idea of like
He didn't think
He was good enough
Yeah
And he was
And actually this music
He gets quite emotional
Yeah yeah yeah
This music has helped people
It's
And he's had a part
To play in that
I think he's
He's just a really
Likeable guy
Yeah
You kind of get the feeling
That he does doubt himself
A lot
And he has a lot
Of bad days
Where he feels like
He's not good enough
And not
Do you know what I mean
And not great
And I think
I don't know
For me
He just came across
As this
Like just great role model
That's somebody
That had done this
Amazing thing
Yeah
Without
Almost egoless
It wasn't like
You know
I'm amazing
I'm going to do this
It was like
You know
He talks about
You know
Obviously
Doing the first single
With them
But then when they got signed
Almost like
Well they're not
They're going to use
Somebody else
Yeah yeah yeah
I was really happy
That they
They allowed me to
Yeah
To continue the journey
With them
Kind of thing
And he stayed with them
Right
Yeah
I think it says
A huge amount
About the band
And about him
And about how
They carry themselves
So yeah
Absolutely phenomenal
That interview
Really
Really recommended
For me
That was probably
The pinnacle
Of my career
In terms of having people
Having me being visible
And wanting to work with me
Because when that record hit
Somehow people found
My home number
Because I was having
Bands calling me at my home
Like oh my goodness
How did you get my number here
It was such a groundswell
Of excitement
Behind that record
That people
Sought me out
To work with them
I think the thing
That made it work
For the guys
With Faith
The Bar and myself
Is that I think
We trusted each other
I think we did things
For the right reasons
I think that this record
Was one of the few records
Well not few
But one of the records
That the band
And I just did it
For the right reasons
We did not expect
Any kind of success
We certainly didn't
Expect it to blow up
It never occurred to us
That that would happen
At least to me
They thought it was a pop record
But I didn't
You know
I was hopeful
But I think there's
An honesty to that record
That was palpable
And I think people heard it
And listened to it
And they go
Oh these guys mean it
You know
And I think there's
There's no artifice
On the record
There's nothing
There's no false notes
I think it's all genuine
Even our missteps
You know
I think because we were honest
That's why it was so successful
The thing I like about
That I still love
About making records
Is that
You can be in a room
With somebody
At the moment of creation
And there are still
There's still people out there
Making amazing
Incredible
Inspiring music
That is still essential
And that moves me
And that I feel
The world has to listen to
Or has to hear
They have to hear
They have to listen to it
But they have to hear it
And I think that
Music at its very base level
Is entertainment
But in the right circumstance
With the right lyric
At the right moment
I think it's essential
And I've heard this
From enough people
That certain songs
Have had people
Decide to live another day
That's
That has actually happened
And
To be part of that
Is
Is incredible
You know
It's
It's unexpected
And it's incredible
To be
A part of something
That can
That somebody
Will actually
Go
Yeah
I'm gonna
Stick around one more day
Because of this song
Or this band
Or whatever
I'm not saying
That's just
The stuff I worked on
There's a lot of stuff
That other people have done
That does that for me
And does that for so many people
And I think music
Can be so essential
In the right
The right moment
At the right time
That can really
Keep someone alive
And keep them going
And I think that's fantastic
You know
I think it's amazing
Awesome isn't it
Oh
Dead good
Awesome
Dead good
He's a guy
Be like Matt
Yeah
That's what
That's what I think
Yeah
If there were more people
Like Matt
There'd be less
Less wars
Can't imagine
Imagine Matt
Was
The president of Russia
He wouldn't invade Ukraine
Would he
Do you know what I mean
He wouldn't do any of that
He wouldn't
No
Everyone should be like Matt
I think
Yeah
Definitely
One thing that's
That's happened
Over the Christmas
And New Year break
Is I've realised
That you do a lot of work
Yeah
On all this
Yeah
And the blogs are incredible
And the websites
And I thought
I should probably contribute
With something
You've done some haven't you
I have
I've been writing some blogs
Yeah
About gear
But yeah
I know you got
You got really excited
So we're going to start
Publishing them this week
I think
Yeah
They're all nearly ready to go
So I'm excited
They're good
And you're
You're going to do some more
I think
What I did was
Is I thought
Because I don't
I'll tell you what started it off
Actually
I'll tell you exactly
What started it off
There was a video
That I watched
And it was about
Randall Smith
Who is the main dude
Behind Messer Boogie Amps
Ah
Okay
And it was a
Short clip of
It was a brilliant clip
And it was a
It was a clip of him
Telling the story
About what he did was
He basically hot rodded
Fender
Princeton's
Yeah
And he basically
He said he boosted them
Right yeah
And there was a bit
Where Carlos Santana
Was knocking about
And he had this
I mean
When you plug into that
Give that a go
And Carlos
I'm not plugging into a Fender
I don't use Fender
He went no no no
I boosted it
So Carlos Santana
Plugs in
It's like this is the greatest
Amp I've ever heard
In my entire life
Wow
And it became
It became known as
Boogied
Right
So if you've taken your amp
To this particular place
Where Randall Smith was
You've got your amp
Boogied
Right
Yeah and I won't tell
I won't give it away
But the story behind
The Messer is ridiculous
Where the name
Messer comes from
But if you search for
Randall Smith
On YouTube
And the story of
You know
Messer Boogie
Or whatever
That will probably come up
But it got me thinking about
I don't know anything about
Any
All these gear manufacturers
And all these
There's probably a story
About these things
That are similar to
Yeah
You know
Like the story
Right behind the albums
There's probably
These interesting tales
Within there
For us to discover
So that's where I'm going
I'm going to go
Full down a hole
And put that
Put some blogs together
There's like staples
Studio staples aren't there
That get used
Like the studio tape recorders
That get used
And we talk about
The SSL consoles
And we talk about
Niamh
And Neumann
And the compressors
That got used
And the pre
So yeah
I think you're right
I think we're onto something
I think it's
It'll be Marmite
I think
It'll be something
That people aren't
Well if people
Are interested in that
Because unless you're
Working in a studio
You're probably not
No
You don't know
About all this stuff
Yeah
And it's
I think it's super cool
I really do
The story
I mean
If you like that
Kind of
The Sound City
Documentary
Yes
That Dave Grold
That's lovely
It covers a lot of that
And the history
Of the Neve console
And why it was important
And I love all that
And I love the history
Of studios
And the albums
That got recorded there
Yeah
You know
And I think
I don't know
I think there's something
Really cool about that
I think we'll do some
More of those things
But yeah
We do put quite a lot
On the blog
It's quite good
Yeah
I like it
Yeah
That's that
Right
We should probably
Say goodbye soon
But we've got one more song
To play first
Don't we
Should we do it
Yeah let's do it
Everything
That's why
I cling to you
When I urge
My thoughts
Converge
To you
The world is so far
More compared
To you
And everybody's
More compared
To you
Yeah let's do it
I begin to see
Through your eyes
All the formal mysteries
Are no surprise
So may you listen
Cause I'll
All
Needs
Over
Hey look at
Me lady
I'm just a little
Baby
You're lucky
To have me
I'm cute
And sweet
And scanty
It's charming
It's a fable
I'm innocent
And disabled
So hug me
And kiss me
Then wipe my blood
And piss me
I hope you'll never laugh
Cause who would hear me scream
Nobody understands
You set the toys
In my hands
To have you listen to me
Cause I'm all the visions
To have you listen
Cause I'm all the visions
Hey look at me lady
I'm just a little baby
If I smile
Then you smile
Then I'll get mad for a while
I'm melting
You're melting
Into your hands
Whenever I can
But I really do nothing
Except kicking and busting
I love to make a mess
I laugh at your distance
I sit all day in my crib
Absorb it now
You can
I'm helpless
I'm pressed
I'm on the chain
I need my toes
I'm not going to be a mess
So I'm not going to be a mess
Because I'm only a show
So I think going forwards
I think for every album that we do
we should probably have a Gibson video
with the producer
We should just have Matt
Have him on everything
I think Matt
Because that's been super helpful
We should just produce everything
He's brilliant
We need to think about
what we're going to do next
Yes
I really enjoyed that by the way
Do you know I hadn't listened
to that album in a long time
Same
Yeah
I mean maybe not even this century
Really?
Yeah I don't think I'd listen
to that album
probably since the 90s
I remember listening to it
I remember having it
I had it in the car
One thing I did have a realisation of
is that I'd actually never listened to it in full
back to front
There's some right there
I've been obviously listening to songs here
there
Yeah yeah yeah
Pick my favourite and all that
but actually the journey
the journey from start to finish
was interesting
and I've got to make more effort
actually to do that
I've really discovered a love for the album
over the last year
Because the listening experience is different
Epic feels different
when you listen to it
where it is on the record
as a whole piece of work
Yeah yeah yeah
It's a journey isn't it
Yeah
And I think yeah
I'm with you 100%
I think the album
the art of the album
has been lost a bit
and I really like it
Will it come back?
I don't know
I doubt it
No
I like it a lot
Kids don't listen to albums
do they?
They laugh at me
My kids go
Oh you bought an album
Just stream it on YouTube
I think I'm an old footy-duddy
But I like albums a lot
I like the artwork
I like everything
I like the stories behind them
I like the whole thing
I think it's just phenomenal
I really do
Yeah it's great
And so do you
if you're listening to this
If you've got this far
Yeah
And you're still with us
And clearly you do
So well done you too
What you should do is
engage with our socials
So Monster Shop Rock's
on most things
Yeah Monster Shop Rock
Yeah we are
We're just
Yeah it's search for Monster Shop
Monster Shop
If you Google Monster Shop
Yeah
Rock
Yeah
You'll find us everywhere
Rock not Rocks
Sorry
We're on Exxon
Blue Sky
and Instagram
and Facebook
We're even on TikTok
I'd forgotten I created
We've got 800 followers
on TikTok
Have we?
That's good
I can't remember
We've posted
Can't remember the password
We've posted three times
like a year ago
And yeah
It's all a little bit too
Yes
Cool
Well I did go off on one
the other night
and think about loads of
video story projects
we could do
So maybe we could use
TikTok for that
Because you've got a video
Now you've got a video camera
You're looking for things
to video aren't you
So you might see
our ugly mugs
at some point
So that will be exciting
Yes
We need to choose
album for next week
Yeah
I think we owe it to Baz
Yeah
To do
Either The Prodigy
Yeah
Or Led Zeppelin
Yeah
Why don't we do Prodigy
then Led Zeppelin
Let's do both
but let's do Prodigy next week
because if we don't do it next week
it won't happen
Well it's dead good isn't it
Yeah
They're both dead good
Yeah
So Led Zeppelin 4 was it
Yeah
Is that the best Led Zeppelin album
Oh
I'll put that on a poll
Oh what's the best Led Zeppelin
We could do that
I'm sure we might have already
done that
Yeah
What's the best Led Zeppelin album
Do you know when you get into
like if you ask somebody
what the best Prodigy album was
Yeah
You get people politely discussing
and saying
Oh I think it's Dilted Generation
or I think it's Fatal
Right
So you get that
Yeah
Right
If you ask somebody about
Black Sabbath
Iron Maiden
Led Zeppelin
Yeah
It's a
They're wishing death on families
It's a shock
That's like going into a sharks pool
You don't want to do
You don't want to be doing that
at all
You don't want to be getting involved
Put it out there
Let's see what happens
We'll start World War 3
It'll be awful
But yeah people
I think
We've talked about this before
but
people have got so much connection
Yeah
To these
These songs and albums
and artists
It becomes like
It's almost self-defining
Yeah
And so
that
Yeah
That rage
when someone says
that your favourite album
is not the best album
You need to hunt them down
and kill them
That's
That's the human condition
Right
So
Fat of the Land next week
Yep
Led Zeppelin for the week after
Yep
But we'll put a poll out anyway
to see what people think
and see if they bite
Yeah
Because the thing is
if we did
Do you know what we could do
If we did Led Zeppelin
We could go
In number order
Yeah
If we did Led Zeppelin
We could go back to
kind of British
rock stuff
Yeah
Around the same time
You've got kind of
The David Bowies
Yeah
Pink Floyds
And you've got
all kinds of stuff happening
Yeah
In and around that time
Haven't you
That kind of
I think we can knit back
Can't we
Knit back
Yeah
But we'd like to do scenes
Yes
And that would feed into hypnosis
Yeah
Because they did all the album art
for that
They did loads of album art
It's nearly like there's a plan
It's almost a plan
It'll only last
It's 12 minutes past 10
Yeah
On Sunday evening
Yeah
And I reckon that's going to last
until 8 o'clock tomorrow morning
And then one of us will go
Oh
Do you know
I already thought
Should we do Ride the Lightning
Yeah
I think that might be my favourite album
Ride the Lightning
Ever
Well we're going to have to do that one week
then as well aren't we
And then
And then I want to do
Carcass Heartwork
Yeah
And then I want to do
I really want to do Napalm Death
The problem is with these albums
No one's heard of them
But like no one
I don't think anyone's going to
If we did a show on Napalm Death
It'd just be me and you
And
That's it really
Do you know what I mean
It's like
It's a little bit too
Yeah
Bit niche
Yeah I would love
It's our show
We can do what we want
Do what we want
No rules
Yeah
Podcast
Wild West
Podcast rules
I think we're done
We're done
See ya
See ya bye